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Title: Sci-Fi's Biggest Cliché!
Post by: Rude on May 18, 2009, 11:40:08 PM
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Here's the deal:
Let's figure out the most overused cliché in all of science fiction... movies, that is.

Simply provide an example of the most used cliché in science fiction filmdom. If someone has already cited your cliché, simply quote it and provide yet another example. By the end of this thread, we should be able to absolutely prove which cliché is the most over-used in all of science fiction!

-Rude
Title: Re: Sci-Fi's Biggest Cliché!
Post by: Rude on May 18, 2009, 11:42:13 PM
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The bad guy falls down a giant shaft of some sort.

1. Return Of The Jedi.

-Rude
Title: Re: Sci-Fi's Biggest Cliché!
Post by: Action Batch on May 18, 2009, 11:50:52 PM

The bad guy falls down a giant shaft of some sort.

1. Return Of The Jedi
2. Star Trek III: The Search for Spock
Title: Re: Sci-Fi's Biggest Cliché!
Post by: Rude on May 19, 2009, 08:06:10 AM
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The bad guy falls down a giant shaft of some sort.

1. Return Of The Jedi
2. Star Trek III: The Search for Spock
3. Star Trek (2009)
4. Alien 3

-Rude
Title: Re: Sci-Fi's Biggest Cliché!
Post by: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on May 19, 2009, 09:31:08 AM
The bad guy falls down a giant shaft of some sort.

1. Return Of The Jedi
2. Star Trek III: The Search for Spock
3. Star Trek (2009)
4. Alien 3
5. Total Recall
6. Star Wars: The Phantom Menace
Title: Re: Sci-Fi's Biggest Cliché!
Post by: dignan on May 19, 2009, 11:02:46 AM
Voice-over narration that in no way clarifies what the hell is going on.
1. Dune

Title: Re: Sci-Fi's Biggest Cliché!
Post by: Rude on May 19, 2009, 11:07:20 AM
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Voice-over narration that in no way clarifies what the hell is going on.

1. Dune
2. Blade Runner

-Rude
Title: Re: Sci-Fi's Biggest Cliché!
Post by: Darth Geek on May 19, 2009, 11:30:40 AM
Voice-over narration that in no way clarifies what the hell is going on.

1. Dune
2. Blade Runner
3. Mystery Science Theater 3000: The Movie
Title: Re: Sci-Fi's Biggest Cliché!
Post by: daltysmilth on May 19, 2009, 11:45:15 AM
There was a thread earlier about this particular cliche, but a person waking up in world or time that is not their own but tries to pretend they are from that world or time so they won't attract attention to themselves, and often giving some weak excuse for their not understanding the strangeness of the world, usually some illness of some kind. 

1. The Back To The Future Trilogy
Title: Re: Sci-Fi's Biggest Cliché!
Post by: Adolf Hitler on May 19, 2009, 01:09:18 PM

There was a thread earlier about this particular cliche, but a person waking up in world or time that is not their own but tries to pretend they are from that world or time so they won't attract attention to themselves, and often giving some weak excuse for their not understanding the strangeness of the world, usually some illness of some kind. 

1. The Back To The Future Trilogy
2.  Star Trek TOS episode:  "THE CITY ON THE EDGE OF FOREVER"

Title: Re: Sci-Fi's Biggest Cliché!
Post by: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on May 19, 2009, 01:38:48 PM

There was a thread earlier about this particular cliche, but a person waking up in world or time that is not their own but tries to pretend they are from that world or time so they won't attract attention to themselves, and often giving some weak excuse for their not understanding the strangeness of the world, usually some illness of some kind. 

1. The Back To The Future Trilogy
2.  Star Trek TOS episode:  "THE CITY ON THE EDGE OF FOREVER"

3. The Stranger (a/k/a Stranded In Space)
Title: Re: Sci-Fi's Biggest Cliché!
Post by: Sideswipe on May 19, 2009, 03:32:49 PM
The bad guy falls down a giant shaft of some sort.

1. Return Of The Jedi
2. Star Trek III: The Search for Spock
3. Star Trek (2009)
4. Alien 3
5. Total Recall
6. Star Wars: The Phantom Menace
7.  Star Trek: Nemesis
Title: Re: Sci-Fi's Biggest Cliché!
Post by: Sideswipe on May 19, 2009, 03:35:08 PM
There was a thread earlier about this particular cliche, but a person waking up in world or time that is not their own but tries to pretend they are from that world or time so they won't attract attention to themselves, and often giving some weak excuse for their not understanding the strangeness of the world, usually some illness of some kind. 

1. The Back To The Future Trilogy
2.  Star Trek TOS episode:  "THE CITY ON THE EDGE OF FOREVER"[/quote]
3. The Stranger (a/k/a Stranded In Space)
4.  Star Trek 4:  The Voyage Home
Title: Re: Sci-Fi's Biggest Cliché!
Post by: Adolf Hitler on May 19, 2009, 05:27:36 PM

There was a thread earlier about this particular cliche, but a person waking up in world or time that is not their own but tries to pretend they are from that world or time so they won't attract attention to themselves, and often giving some weak excuse for their not understanding the strangeness of the world, usually some illness of some kind. 

1. The Back To The Future Trilogy
2.  Star Trek TOS episode:  "THE CITY ON THE EDGE OF FOREVER"
3. The Stranger (a/k/a Stranded In Space)
4.  Star Trek 4:  The Voyage Home
5.  Matrix:  Revolutions
Title: Re: Sci-Fi's Biggest Cliché!
Post by: Tripe on May 19, 2009, 06:17:42 PM
The bad guy falls down a giant shaft of some sort.

1. Return Of The Jedi
2. Star Trek III: The Search for Spock
3. Star Trek (2009)
4. Alien 3
5. Total Recall
6. Star Wars: The Phantom Menace
7.  Star Trek: Nemesis
8. X-Men Origins: Wolverine

Title: Re: Sci-Fi's Biggest Cliché!
Post by: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on May 20, 2009, 08:29:52 AM
The bad guy falls down a giant shaft of some sort.

1. Return Of The Jedi
2. Star Trek III: The Search for Spock
3. Star Trek (2009)
4. Alien 3
5. Total Recall
6. Star Wars: The Phantom Menace
7.  Star Trek: Nemesis
8. X-Men Origins: Wolverine
9. Iron Man
10. Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade (albiet this time a woman)
11. Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom
Title: Re: Sci-Fi's Biggest Cliché!
Post by: Darth Geek on May 20, 2009, 09:28:35 AM
The bad guy falls down a giant shaft of some sort.

1. Return Of The Jedi
2. Star Trek III: The Search for Spock
3. Star Trek (2009)
4. Alien 3
5. Total Recall
6. Star Wars: The Phantom Menace
7.  Star Trek: Nemesis
8. X-Men Origins: Wolverine
9. Iron Man
10. Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade (albiet this time a woman)
11. Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom
The last two really aren't sci-fi
Title: Re: Sci-Fi's Biggest Cliché!
Post by: Action Batch on May 20, 2009, 09:34:25 AM
The bad guy falls down a giant shaft of some sort.

1. Return Of The Jedi
2. Star Trek III: The Search for Spock
3. Star Trek (2009)
4. Alien 3
5. Total Recall
6. Star Wars: The Phantom Menace
7.  Star Trek: Nemesis
8. X-Men Origins: Wolverine
9. Iron Man
10. Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade (albiet this time a woman)
11. Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom
The last two really aren't sci-fi
?
Title: Re: Sci-Fi's Biggest Cliché!
Post by: Action Batch on May 20, 2009, 09:39:34 AM
OIC. Yeah, that's true. More action/adventure.
Title: Re: Sci-Fi's Biggest Cliché!
Post by: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on May 20, 2009, 09:58:09 AM
OIC. Yeah, that's true. More action/adventure.
The fantasty/magical aspect of the items that Indy is searching for (the Holy Grail and that magic rock) don't make up for it?
Title: Re: Sci-Fi's Biggest Cliché!
Post by: Action Batch on May 20, 2009, 10:14:39 AM
OIC. Yeah, that's true. More action/adventure.
The fantasty/magical aspect of the items that Indy is searching for (the Holy Grail and that magic rock) don't make up for it?

I think that's an implication of an adventure movie. I guess you could tag it with fantasy, but I don't see science fiction.
 
Title: Re: Sci-Fi's Biggest Cliché!
Post by: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on May 20, 2009, 10:31:16 AM
OIC. Yeah, that's true. More action/adventure.
The fantasty/magical aspect of the items that Indy is searching for (the Holy Grail and that magic rock) don't make up for it?

I think that's an implication of an adventure movie. I guess you could tag it with fantasy, but I don't see science fiction.

There's no attempt to explain anything in the first 3 Indy movies "scientifically."  Even Star Wars, which has much more of a "fantasy" blueprint than a sci-fi one has some sci-fi elements.   I'd allow Indy 4 as Sci-Fi though.

Doesn't the fact that in Indy 3 they survive that fall in the inflatable raft and they jump the gap in the railroad tracks and land on the other side with no problem "Science Fiction" in it's most pure form?  ;)

1. Return Of The Jedi
2. Star Trek III: The Search for Spock
3. Star Trek (2009)
4. Alien 3
5. Total Recall
6. Star Wars: The Phantom Menace
7.  Star Trek: Nemesis
8. X-Men Origins: Wolverine
9. Iron Man
10. Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade (albiet this time a woman)

Of course, since I haven't seen Wolverine, I'm assuming that that's definately science fiction and not just fantasy/adventure.  (No offense, Tripe)  Mutants are born, not made.
Title: Re: Sci-Fi's Biggest Cliché!
Post by: Action Batch on May 20, 2009, 10:39:42 AM
OIC. Yeah, that's true. More action/adventure.
The fantasty/magical aspect of the items that Indy is searching for (the Holy Grail and that magic rock) don't make up for it?

I think that's an implication of an adventure movie. I guess you could tag it with fantasy, but I don't see science fiction.

There's no attempt to explain anything in the first 3 Indy movies "scientifically."  Even Star Wars, which has much more of a "fantasy" blueprint than a sci-fi one has some sci-fi elements.   I'd allow Indy 4 as Sci-Fi though.

Doesn't the fact that in Indy 3 they survive that fall in the inflatable raft and they jump the gap in the railroad tracks and land on the other side with no problem "Science Fiction" in it's most pure form?  ;)

Well, physics is a facet of science, and that would be physics fiction. Sooooo...kinda. But I don't agree. Which of course doesn't make it wrong.
Title: Re: Sci-Fi's Biggest Cliché!
Post by: Action Batch on May 20, 2009, 10:40:34 AM
Villain falls down "Shaft" of some kind

1. Return Of The Jedi
2. Star Trek III: The Search for Spock
3. Star Trek (2009)
4. Alien 3
5. Total Recall
6. Star Wars: The Phantom Menace
7.  Star Trek: Nemesis
8. X-Men Origins: Wolverine
9. Iron Man
10. Robocop
Title: Re: Sci-Fi's Biggest Cliché!
Post by: Tripe on May 20, 2009, 12:06:23 PM
Mutants are born, not made.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Sci-Fi's Biggest Cliché!
Post by: dignan on May 20, 2009, 12:10:24 PM
Wait wait, some of these "shafts" are quite clearly just cliffs.  I don't think those count.
Title: Re: Sci-Fi's Biggest Cliché!
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on May 20, 2009, 12:39:21 PM

Voice-over narration that in no way clarifies what the hell is going on.

1. Dune
2. Blade Runner
3. Mystery Science Theater 3000: The Movie
4.  A Scanner, Darkly
Title: Re: Sci-Fi's Biggest Cliché!
Post by: Darth Geek on May 20, 2009, 01:04:17 PM

Voice-over narration that in no way clarifies what the hell is going on.

1. Dune
2. Blade Runner
3. Mystery Science Theater 3000: The Movie
4.  A Scanner, Darkly
I was just kedding about MST3K:TM. I was jokingly reerring to their riffs of This Island Earth as narration that clarifies nothing.
Title: Re: Sci-Fi's Biggest Cliché!
Post by: Action Batch on May 20, 2009, 01:05:51 PM
Voice-over narration that in no way clarifies what the hell is going on.

1. Dune
2. Blade Runner
3. The Creeping Terror
4.  A Scanner, Darkly

Fixed.
Title: Re: Sci-Fi's Biggest Cliché!
Post by: Darth Geek on May 20, 2009, 01:06:51 PM
Voice-over narration that in no way clarifies what the hell is going on.
3. The Creeping Terror
:clap: :clap: :clap:
Title: Re: Sci-Fi's Biggest Cliché!
Post by: dignan on May 20, 2009, 01:11:42 PM
Voice-over narration that in no way clarifies what the hell is going on.

1. Dune
2. Blade Runner
3. The Creeping Terror
4.  A Scanner, Darkly
5. The Beast Of Yucca Flats
Title: Re: Sci-Fi's Biggest Cliché!
Post by: BBQ Platypus on May 20, 2009, 02:01:07 PM
Entire planets with only one biome:

1. Star Wars
2. Star Trek
3. Dune
Title: Re: Sci-Fi's Biggest Cliché!
Post by: Action Batch on May 20, 2009, 02:15:57 PM
Entire planets with only one biome:

1. Star Wars
2. Star Trek
3. Dune
4. South Park: Canceled
Title: Re: Sci-Fi's Biggest Cliché!
Post by: BBQ Platypus on May 20, 2009, 04:08:24 PM
Almost forgot one!

Entire planets with only one biome:


1. Star Wars
2. Star Trek
3. Dune
4. South Park: Canceled
5. Transformers
Title: Re: Sci-Fi's Biggest Cliché!
Post by: therul on May 21, 2009, 07:19:35 AM
The bad guy falls down a giant shaft of some sort.

1. Return Of The Jedi
2. Star Trek III: The Search for Spock
3. Star Trek (2009)
4. Alien 3
5. Total Recall
6. Star Wars: The Phantom Menace
7.  Star Trek: Nemesis
8. X-Men Origins: Wolverine
9. Iron Man
10. Robocop
11. TRON

Title: Re: Sci-Fi's Biggest Cliché!
Post by: Darth Geek on May 21, 2009, 09:34:59 AM
I know this isn't the exclusive cliche for sci-fi, but:

Romantic subplot that is not needed, badly shohorned in, serves no purpose except to pad the film.

1. Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow
Title: Re: Sci-Fi's Biggest Cliché!
Post by: Action Batch on May 21, 2009, 09:43:22 AM
Romantic subplot that is not needed, badly shoehorned in, serves no purpose except to pad the film and attempt to make it appeal to girls.

1. Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow
2. Star Trek (2009)
3. The Empire Strikes Back
Title: Re: Sci-Fi's Biggest Cliché!
Post by: Darth Geek on May 21, 2009, 09:45:31 AM
Romantic subplot that is not needed, badly shoehorned in, serves no purpose except to pad the film and attempt to make it appeal to girls.

1. Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow
2. Star Trek (2009)

Good addition to the description. And women still complain because in the end if they didn't want to see a sci-fi movie and got dragged there by their boyfriend, it's still a sci-fi movie. But it got ruined for us by the hamfisted romance pereating it.

Oh, and when the actresses go on interviews they say it's really a love story at it's core, which is BULLSHIT!
Title: Re: Sci-Fi's Biggest Cliché!
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on May 21, 2009, 09:47:38 AM

Romantic subplot that is not needed, badly shoehorned in, serves no purpose except to pad the film and attempt to make it appeal to girls.

1. Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow
2. Star Trek (2009)
3. The Empire Strikes Back
4.  Star Wars:  Episode II (especially since you can skip every other chapter and just watch the action scenes and you don't miss any story)
Title: Re: Sci-Fi's Biggest Cliché!
Post by: Sideswipe on May 21, 2009, 09:55:22 AM
its not often I agree with bettertommoramy, but I have to in this case.  Ol' George really didnt put any thought into the "romance" in episode 2.  I George Lucas' mind the best way to get chicks is to slaughter an entire village of sand people.
Title: Re: Sci-Fi's Biggest Cliché!
Post by: Sideswipe on May 21, 2009, 09:58:12 AM
And I have to concede

Romantic subplot that is not needed, badly shoehorned in, serves no purpose except to pad the film and attempt to make it appeal to girls.

1. Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow
2. Star Trek (2009)
3. The Empire Strikes Back
4.  Star Wars:  Episode II (especially since you can skip every other chapter and just watch the action scenes and you don't miss any story)
5.  Transformers
Title: Re: Sci-Fi's Biggest Cliché!
Post by: Darth Geek on May 21, 2009, 10:05:22 AM
its not often I agree with bettertommoramy, but I have to in this case.  Ol' George really didnt put any thought into the "romance" in episode 2.  I George Lucas' mind the best way to get chicks is to slaughter an entire village of sand people.
And to dress up the only female character like a prostitute for the scene where she tells Anakin they can't be together.
Title: Re: Sci-Fi's Biggest Cliché!
Post by: Action Batch on May 21, 2009, 10:17:07 AM
How was it integral? It had to be there so Han could cock block Lando later in the movie? 
Title: Re: Sci-Fi's Biggest Cliché!
Post by: Rude on May 21, 2009, 10:31:51 AM
Quote from: Action Batch
How was it integral?

To prevent incest between Luke and Leia?

-Rude
Title: Re: Sci-Fi's Biggest Cliché!
Post by: Action Batch on May 21, 2009, 10:37:46 AM
How was it integral? It had to be there so Han could cock block Lando later in the movie? 

So that Han's capture could have some emotional impact? Would you rather have him tell Chewie he loves him?

Don't you dare bring Chewbacca's love for Han into question!
Title: Re: Sci-Fi's Biggest Cliché!
Post by: Darth Geek on May 21, 2009, 10:57:54 AM
How was it integral? It had to be there so Han could cock block Lando later in the movie? 

So that Han's capture could have some emotional impact? Would you rather have him tell Chewie he loves him?
*Roar* "I know."
Title: Re: Sci-Fi's Biggest Cliché!
Post by: daltysmilth on May 21, 2009, 11:45:36 AM
A fairly short sequence of the film where the female lead is in some state of undress, which even though it's a fairly small part of the film, is usually all over the previews.

1. Star Trek XI
Title: Re: Sci-Fi's Biggest Cliché!
Post by: Rude on May 21, 2009, 11:47:34 AM
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A fairly short sequence of the film where the female lead is in some state of undress, which even though it's a fairly small part of the film, is usually all over the previews.

1. Star Trek XI
2. Alien

-Rude
Title: Re: Sci-Fi's Biggest Cliché!
Post by: Adolf Hitler on May 21, 2009, 12:15:30 PM

...

A fairly short sequence of the film where the female lead is in some state of undress, which even though it's a fairly small part of the film, is usually all over the previews.

1. Star Trek XI
2. Alien
3.  Battlestar Galactica Miniseries
Title: Re: Sci-Fi's Biggest Cliché!
Post by: Rude on May 21, 2009, 12:58:25 PM
...

Oh, no! The bad guy is actually a robot.

1. Westworld

-Rude
Title: Re: Sci-Fi's Biggest Cliché!
Post by: Adolf Hitler on May 21, 2009, 01:38:47 PM

Oh, no! The bad guy is actually a robot.

1. Westworld
2. Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow
3.  Terminator 2
Title: Re: Sci-Fi's Biggest Cliché!
Post by: Action Batch on May 21, 2009, 03:12:41 PM
Oh, no! The bad guy is actually a robot.

1. Westworld
2. Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow

Oh noes! It's detail nazi!!!

The bad guy's hench...uh...person was a robot. The bad guy was dead.
Title: Re: Sci-Fi's Biggest Cliché!
Post by: Action Batch on May 21, 2009, 03:47:51 PM
Oh, no! The bad guy is actually a robot.

1. Westworld
2. Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow

Oh noes! It's detail nazi!!!

The bad guy's hench...uh...person was a robot. The bad guy was dead.

Fine, then he was a computer which controlled the whole operation. Aka, a robot.

...yup. Okay. I retract. A computer is a robot. Sorry to interrupt. Carry on.
Title: Re: Sci-Fi's Biggest Cliché!
Post by: Pak-Man on May 21, 2009, 04:20:27 PM
Someone pays the price for relying too much on technology/for society relying too much on technology:

1. 2001
2. I Robot
3. Terminator
4. Terminator 2
5. Terminator 3
6. Terminator 4 (Probably)
Title: Re: Sci-Fi's Biggest Cliché!
Post by: Tripe on May 21, 2009, 04:53:42 PM
Someone pays the price for relying too much on technology/for society relying too much on technology:

1. 2001
2. I Robot
3. Terminator
4. Terminator 2
5. Terminator 3
6. Terminator 4 (Probably)
7. WALL-E
Title: Re: Sci-Fi's Biggest Cliché!
Post by: BBQ Platypus on May 21, 2009, 05:25:27 PM
Voice-over narration that in no way clarifies what the hell is going on.

1. Dune
2. Blade Runner
3. The Creeping Terror
4.  A Scanner, Darkly
5. The Beast Of Yucca Flats
6. The "Warrior" comic book (http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/videolinks/bt/spoonyone/reviews/7238-warrior1)


I'm not sure if the Warrior comic book counts as sci-fi - to be honest, I don't know WHAT it is (besides horrible).  But it appears to take place on some other planet and features teleportation of some kind, so I'm counting it.
Title: Re: Sci-Fi's Biggest Cliché!
Post by: AmazingThor on May 21, 2009, 06:08:58 PM
Someone pays the price for relying too much on technology/for society relying too much on technology:

1. 2001
2. I Robot
3. Terminator
4. Terminator 2
5. Terminator 3
6. Terminator 4 (Probably)
7. Robocop
8. Return of the Jedi
9. Jurassic Park
10. Matrix
Title: Re: Sci-Fi's Biggest Cliché!
Post by: AmazingThor on May 21, 2009, 06:10:00 PM
Robots ruined by making them too cutesy
1. Star Wars Series
2. Black Hole
Title: Re: Sci-Fi's Biggest Cliché!
Post by: AmazingThor on May 21, 2009, 06:11:28 PM
Oh, no! The bad guy is actually a robot.

1. Westworld
2. Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow
3.  Terminator 2
4. Alien (Ian Holm)
Title: Re: Sci-Fi's Biggest Cliché!
Post by: daltysmilth on May 21, 2009, 09:15:38 PM


Someone pays the price for relying too much on technology/for society relying too much on technology:

1. 2001
2. I Robot
3. Terminator
4. Terminator 2
5. Terminator 3
6. Terminator 4 (Probably)
7. Robocop
8. Return of the Jedi
9. The Matrix trilogy
10. Ghost In The Shell
Title: Re: Sci-Fi's Biggest Cliché!
Post by: therul on May 22, 2009, 09:53:24 AM


A fairly short sequence of the film where the female lead is in some state of undress, which even though it's a fairly small part of the film, is usually all over the previews.

1. Star Trek XI
2. Alien
3.  Battlestar Galactica Miniseries
4. Logan's Run
Title: Re: Sci-Fi's Biggest Cliché!
Post by: Action Batch on May 22, 2009, 10:23:28 AM
A fairly short sequence of the film where the female lead is in some state of undress, which even though it's a fairly small part of the film, is usually all over the previews.

1. Star Trek XI
2. Alien
3.  Battlestar Galactica Miniseries
4. Logan's Run
5. The Island
6. Space Mutiny

Star Trek 2009 and 11 are the same film.
Title: Re: Sci-Fi's Biggest Cliché!
Post by: Darth Geek on May 22, 2009, 11:49:31 AM
A fairly short sequence of the film where the female lead is in some state of undress, which even though it's a fairly small part of the film, is usually all over the previews.
6. Space Mutiny
You saw previews for Space Mutiny?
Title: Re: Sci-Fi's Biggest Cliché!
Post by: pezdrake on May 22, 2009, 12:34:48 PM
A fairly short sequence of the film where the female lead is in some state of undress, which even though it's a fairly small part of the film, is usually all over the previews.

1. Star Trek XI
2. Alien
3.  Battlestar Galactica Miniseries
4. Logan's Run
5. The Island
6. Space Mutiny
7. Starship Troopers
Title: Re: Sci-Fi's Biggest Cliché!
Post by: Action Batch on May 22, 2009, 02:37:07 PM
A fairly short sequence of the film where the female lead is in some state of undress, which even though it's a fairly small part of the film, is usually all over the previews.
6. Space Mutiny
You saw previews for Space Mutiny?

Well I know that the actual film had Grandmadaughter boobs in it, and I'm just guessing about the trailer.
Title: Re: Sci-Fi's Biggest Cliché!
Post by: daltysmilth on May 22, 2009, 07:56:10 PM
A fairly short sequence of the film where the female lead is in some state of undress, which even though it's a fairly small part of the film, is usually all over the previews.
6. Space Mutiny
You saw previews for Space Mutiny?

Well I know that the actual film had Grandmadaughter boobs in it, and I'm just guessing about the trailer.

I did say "usually".  So it might not actually be in the previews at all.
Title: Re: Sci-Fi's Biggest Cliché!
Post by: Darth Geek on May 22, 2009, 08:03:23 PM
A mad scientist with unknown funding wants to "take over the world" with no indication of what he would do with it if he/she did.

1. MST3K: The Movie
Title: Re: Sci-Fi's Biggest Cliché!
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on May 23, 2009, 04:03:30 AM
A mad scientist with unknown funding wants to "take over the world" with no indication of what he would do with it if he/she did.

1. MST3K: The Movie

But that is an intentional use of a cliche to point out the abundant use of the same cliche.
Title: Re: Sci-Fi's Biggest Cliché!
Post by: Darth Geek on May 23, 2009, 04:42:20 PM
A mad scientist with unknown funding wants to "take over the world" with no indication of what he would do with it if he/she did.

1. MST3K: The Movie

But that is an intentional use of a cliche to point out the abundant use of the same cliche.
Granted Siedew... I mean BTA. But bad movies that had this cliche originally just needed a bud guy and didn't think about what the scientist would do with the world (or how he/she would retain control) once they got it. Neither did Best Brains. IF we don't want to include MST3K, then:

1. Bride of the Monster
Title: Re: Sci-Fi's Biggest Cliché!
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on May 23, 2009, 05:36:43 PM
A mad scientist with unknown funding wants to "take over the world" with no indication of what he would do with it if he/she did.

1. MST3K: The Movie

But that is an intentional use of a cliche to point out the abundant use of the same cliche.
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Title: Re: Sci-Fi's Biggest Cliché!
Post by: Darth Geek on May 24, 2009, 10:11:02 AM
A mad scientist with unknown funding wants to "take over the world" with no indication of what he would do with it if he/she did.

1. MST3K: The Movie

But that is an intentional use of a cliche to point out the abundant use of the same cliche.
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Title: Re: Sci-Fi's Biggest Cliché!
Post by: jd75 on May 24, 2009, 11:14:17 AM
Well I know that the actual film had Grandmadaughter boobs in it, and I'm just guessing about the trailer.

Really? I gotta see that to see how it looks. ;D

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Title: Re: Sci-Fi's Biggest Cliché!
Post by: Darth Geek on May 24, 2009, 05:39:16 PM
Miniskirts...of the Future! Advanced civilization where female ranking officers have official uniforms that are very revealing.

1. Star Trek (2009)
2. Space Mutiny
Title: Re: Sci-Fi's Biggest Cliché!
Post by: AmazingThor on June 24, 2009, 03:33:44 PM
To make it easy, let's just list the ones that got this right: NO SOUND IN SPACE!
1. Serenity
2. 2001
3. Star Trek (2009)


And the one that even fewer movies get right: NO GRAVITY IN SPACE!
1. 2001
2. Mission to Mars
Title: Re: Sci-Fi's Biggest Cliché!
Post by: Doctor Who? on June 24, 2009, 03:35:46 PM
I'm pretty sure 2001 is the only one of those movies that didn't have sound in space.

Granted I haven't seen them in a while but I remember the battle scenes being loud.
Title: Re: Sci-Fi's Biggest Cliché!
Post by: AmazingThor on June 24, 2009, 03:37:08 PM
I'm pretty sure 2001 is the only one of those movies that didn't have sound in space.

Granted I haven't seen them in a while but I remember the battle scenes being loud.

No, Serenity made a point of having no sound in space. And Star Trek just used music to heighten the tension of space battles.
Title: Re: Sci-Fi's Biggest Cliché!
Post by: Doctor Who? on June 24, 2009, 04:21:24 PM
I guess I will have to rewatch my Serenity HDDVD tonight.

I really remembered sound in the battles.
Title: Re: Sci-Fi's Biggest Cliché!
Post by: AmazingThor on June 25, 2009, 12:41:39 PM
There is sound when they are being chased in the hover craft but that takes place on a planet.
Title: Re: Sci-Fi's Biggest Cliché!
Post by: Sideswipe on June 27, 2009, 09:07:29 AM
no sound in space in a space movie would suck hard and be completely boring.
Title: Re: Sci-Fi's Biggest Cliché!
Post by: RockSiren on June 27, 2009, 10:06:35 AM
Our lead (usually a scientist/expert/commando) is reunited with an estranged ex-signifigant other (spouse, boyfriend/girlfriend) and as the movie comes to a conclusion, they "find the magic" again:

1.)  Shallow Ground
Title: Re: Sci-Fi's Biggest Cliché!
Post by: Action Batch on June 27, 2009, 02:46:43 PM
Our lead (usually a scientist/expert/commando) is reunited with an estranged ex-signifigant other (spouse, boyfriend/girlfriend) and as the movie comes to a conclusion, they "find the magic" again:

1.)  Shallow Ground
2.)  Independence Day
Title: Re: Sci-Fi's Biggest Cliché!
Post by: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on June 27, 2009, 05:48:27 PM
Our lead (usually a scientist/expert/commando) is reunited with an estranged ex-signifigant other (spouse, boyfriend/girlfriend) and as the movie comes to a conclusion, they "find the magic" again:

1.)  Shallow Ground
2.)  Independence Day

3) Godzilla (the sucky one)
Title: Re: Sci-Fi's Biggest Cliché!
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on June 28, 2009, 04:00:50 AM
no sound in space in a space movie would suck hard and be completely boring.

You'd make a terrible astronaut.
Title: Re: Sci-Fi's Biggest Cliché!
Post by: Sideswipe on June 29, 2009, 06:55:46 PM
If you are going to use sound in space as a cliche than you have to list out movies with scores as a cliche too
Title: Re: Sci-Fi's Biggest Cliché!
Post by: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on July 06, 2009, 10:23:24 AM
If you are going to use sound in space as a cliche than you have to list out movies with scores as a cliche too
Speaking of sound/no sound in space - we might have to give JJ Abrams credit for inventing a new one....

During the first battle in Star Trek there's all sorts of sound when it comes to torpedoes flying, phasers and explosions. Then when Abrams wants to have a crew member sucked out into space, suddenly there's no sound.

The "In Space No One Can Hear You Scream" Ammendment: Sound for effects in space but people are silent.
Title: Re: Sci-Fi's Biggest Cliché!
Post by: therul on July 10, 2009, 11:02:57 AM

Our lead (usually a scientist/expert/commando) is reunited with an estranged ex-signifigant other (spouse, boyfriend/girlfriend) and as the movie comes to a conclusion, they "find the magic" again:

1.)  Shallow Ground
2.)  Independence Day
3.) Star Trek 4
Title: Re: Sci-Fi's Biggest Cliché!
Post by: Sideswipe on July 11, 2009, 10:57:04 AM
how does Star Trek 4 fit this cliche?  Maybe Star Trek 2.
Title: Re: Sci-Fi's Biggest Cliché!
Post by: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on July 12, 2009, 06:14:38 PM
how does Star Trek 4 fit this cliche?  Maybe Star Trek 2.

Maybe they're confused by Younger Spock and Saavik doing the Pon Farr?  No...sorry.  That was 3.

I've got nothing then.

Our lead (usually a scientist/expert/commando) is reunited with an estranged ex-signifigant other (spouse, boyfriend/girlfriend) and as the movie comes to a conclusion, they "find the magic" again:

1.)  Shallow Ground
2.)  Independence Day
3.) Star Trek 4 (or 2)
4.) Jurrasic Park: The Lost World
5.) The Abyss
Title: Re: Sci-Fi's Biggest Cliché!
Post by: therul on July 13, 2009, 02:13:16 PM
how does Star Trek 4 fit this cliche?  Maybe Star Trek 2.
actually I was thinking Kirk and his ex wife/mother of his child.  Although I am sure that is one of many.
Title: Re: Sci-Fi's Biggest Cliché!
Post by: Sideswipe on July 13, 2009, 05:49:50 PM
yeah, that is number 2.
Title: Re: Sci-Fi's Biggest Cliché!
Post by: LucasM on July 16, 2009, 08:28:39 PM
yeah, that is number 2.


BOY was it number 2!   ;D
Title: Re: Sci-Fi's Biggest Cliché!
Post by: therul on July 17, 2009, 11:25:35 AM
yeah, that is number 2.


BOY was it number 2!   ;D
I am sorry, I was wrong.  throw me in a case and shoot me to space.
Title: Re: Sci-Fi's Biggest Cliché!
Post by: Action Batch on July 17, 2009, 11:38:49 AM
yeah, that is number 2.
BOY was it number 2!   ;D
I am sorry, I was wrong.  throw me in a case and shoot me to space.

And he's all up in your face like he's from another place.
Title: Re: Sci-Fi's Biggest Cliché!
Post by: Sideswipe on July 17, 2009, 01:09:40 PM
ease back, gangsta
Title: Re: Sci-Fi's Biggest Cliché!
Post by: LucasM on July 17, 2009, 01:17:40 PM
yeah, that is number 2.


BOY was it number 2!   ;D
I am sorry, I was wrong.  throw me in a case and shoot me to space.

Actually I was referring to its resemblance to fecal material, not making a slam on you.
Title: Re: Sci-Fi's Biggest Cliché!
Post by: RobtheBarbarian on July 17, 2009, 05:06:01 PM
Something horrible happens on a mining spaceship:

Alien
Dead Space
Title: Re: Sci-Fi's Biggest Cliché!
Post by: LucasM on July 17, 2009, 05:54:37 PM
Something horrible happens on a mining spaceship:

Alien
Dead Space

If you broaden this from just 'mining ship' to include "in deep space where no-one can escape".. you'd end up with a MUCH bigger list (though I remember seeing a bunch, I can't remember the titles, other than):

2001
Event Horizon
Ghosts of Mars (which actually, like Alien, I think is more a horror movie set in space, rather than SciFi)  [and had one of only a very few soundtracks that I've ever bought: the opening tune kicks ass, and Buckethead tunes are most always great!]
Lost In Space [which wasn't so much SciFi, or horror, but was just really, really sad  ;) ]


And, of course, if you broaden this to "anyplace where people can't escape" you end up with a large part of the genre.   ;D  Like (just a few)...

The Abyss
Sphere
The Thing
Title: Re: Sci-Fi's Biggest Cliché!
Post by: LucasM on July 17, 2009, 06:04:12 PM
Actually, in thinking about the films in my last post, I came up with a cliche that (I hope) hasn't already been mentioned [I think I read all of the thread before I first posted in it a couple days ago, but don't remember all of that today... sorry if this is a repeat].

'Computer goes bad and threatens people' (including 'thinking machines' here as 'mobile computers'... as an out of control road paver is not as threatening as a mechanical brain that means to do harm via operating a road paver :) ) :

2001
The Matrix trilogy
Battlestar Galactica
Terminator quadralogy/series
Title: Re: Sci-Fi's Biggest Cliché!
Post by: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on July 17, 2009, 07:25:51 PM
Something horrible happens on a mining spaceship:

Alien
Dead Space
It wasn't a space ship but it was mining on an asteroid:

Oulland

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Was Saturn 3 a mining outpost?
Title: Re: Sci-Fi's Biggest Cliché!
Post by: therul on July 21, 2009, 08:54:07 AM
Something horrible happens on a mining spaceship:

Alien
Dead Space

If you broaden this from just 'mining ship' to include "in deep space where no-one can escape".. you'd end up with a MUCH bigger list (though I remember seeing a bunch, I can't remember the titles, other than):

2001
Event Horizon
Ghosts of Mars (which actually, like Alien, I think is more a horror movie set in space, rather than SciFi)  [and had one of only a very few soundtracks that I've ever bought: the opening tune kicks ass, and Buckethead tunes are most always great!]
Lost In Space [which wasn't so much SciFi, or horror, but was just really, really sad  ;) ]


And, of course, if you broaden this to "anyplace where people can't escape" you end up with a large part of the genre.   ;D  Like (just a few)...

The Abyss
Sphere
The Thing

Outland
edit:  Beaten to it.
Title: Re: Sci-Fi's Biggest Cliché!
Post by: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on July 21, 2009, 10:28:16 AM
How about Leviathan?

Underwater mining, find a bottle of "vodka" during a rescue mission, couple of the crew drink it and are mutated into what looks like Audrey, Jr. from the original Little Shop of Horrors.....god-awful film.

Why hasn't this been Rifftrax'ed?   ;)
Title: Re: Sci-Fi's Biggest Cliché!
Post by: AmazingThor on August 04, 2009, 01:38:01 PM
Let's do "Scenes of people holding their breath and surviving in deep space:
1. 2001 (although just about everything else on the list is ripping off Kubrick)
2. Sunshine (see #1)
3. Event Horizon (see #1)
Title: Re: Sci-Fi's Biggest Cliché!
Post by: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on August 06, 2009, 01:34:41 PM
Let's do "Scenes of people holding their breath and surviving in deep space:
1. 2001 (although just about everything else on the list is ripping off Kubrick)
2. Sunshine (see #1)
3. Event Horizon (see #1)
There's an argument on this board about Event Horizon a while back where I linked to and quoted a website that answered that "Dave without his helmet" question. That it's been proven in the laboratory that you don't die immediately if you are outside of a pressure enviornment for a very short period.  In fact, it makes a good case for that scene in Event Horizon to be accurate as to what damage you would suffer.  I'm too lazy today to go fine it.

Now if you are old enough to remember and want to bring up Message From Space and characters putting fishbowls on their heads only and "swimming" around space to catch "space fireflies".....I'm right with you.
Title: Re: Sci-Fi's Biggest Cliché!
Post by: daltysmilth on August 07, 2009, 08:09:55 AM
I remember reading something like that.  I think the article or whatever it is I read said specifically that if you hold onto a lungful of air, you can survive approximately 30 seconds in the vaccuum of space, but that the chances of getting picked up by another starship within that time are approximately 22,079,460,347 to 1 against.  And that coincidentally, 2-207-946-0347-1 is the telephone number of an Islington flat where Arthur Dent once went to a party and met a nice girl who he totally failed to get off with.
Title: Re: Sci-Fi's Biggest Cliché!
Post by: AmazingThor on August 07, 2009, 10:39:34 AM
That's almost infinitely improbable, though.

Let's do "Scenes of people holding their breath and surviving in deep space:
1. 2001 (although just about everything else on the list is ripping off Kubrick)
2. Sunshine (see #1)
3. Event Horizon (see #1)
4. Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy
Title: Re: Sci-Fi's Biggest Cliché!
Post by: therul on August 07, 2009, 02:01:12 PM
That's almost infinitely improbable, though.

Let's do "Scenes of people holding their breath and surviving in deep space:
1. 2001 (although just about everything else on the list is ripping off Kubrick)
2. Sunshine (see #1)
3. Event Horizon (see #1)
4. Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy
5. Farscape