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Title: The Mega-Super-Ultra Buffy/Angel Episode Guide
Post by: Ortega on March 17, 2009, 10:22:31 PM
I mentioned it before in the Dollhouse thread that i might compile an episode guide to the Buffy/Angel TV Shows.  I attempted this before for the show Enterprise, but feeling were that not a lot of people were into that show as much, and other things stopped me from continuing(i.e. not having internet access).  Plus, i get the feeling that the forum abounds with Whedon-ites. 

Personal Revelation time:  I didn't start out a Buffy fan.  I had a passing familiarity with the show when it first aired.  I would watch it if nothing else was on when i was in school.  Basically it was relegated to background noise while i completed homework.  I think i stopped watching it in any form after midway through season two, and even then i wasn't a devoted watcher ( no pun, intended).  So ten years pass, and i function carefree in my Buffy Ignorance, until this forum decides to have a Buffy-themed Mafia Game.  This just so happens to coincide with my brother giving me a bunch of Buffy Comics he was mistakenly double-shipped.  Well, after reading about four pages in, it was evident that i didn't know what the bloodly hell was going on, and i guess i wanted to know what the hell everybody was talking about during the Mafia game, so i took my happy-ass to Hulu.com, and started watching, from the beginning, Season 1 of Buffy: The Vampire Slayer.  What initially started at me shaking my head at the screen, eventually evolved into me undergoing marathon session viewings of episodes.  After the awesome Season 2 finale, it was safe to say i was hooked, and owing to the fact that Hulu only has Seasons 1 & 2 available,  i proceeded to procure episode in any method imaginable; torrents, Netflix, Blockbuster, you name it.  What started out as a experiment, became a full-blown obession. And i blame you, RIffTrax Forum, for it.  From January 5th, all the way to February 25th, i watched almost nothing but Buffy, and when i was done with that, i moved onto Angel, and then straight into the comics.  Its been quite a ride, and one of the hardest things is that none of my friends joined me in this adventure, so i had no one to talk to about how much Becoming 1 & 2 kicked ass, no one to talk about how awesome The Gift & Dopplegandland were. No one to talk about how hot and simultanously funny Anya was.  It was Torture.  So that what brings us to this.  Possibly a bit of a selfish way to be to decompress, but there you go.  For if one cannot waste his and other people's time on the internet, then what was the internet created for anyway.

Here's the gist.  I watch a handful of episodes, post a brief summary of the episode, and then post my opinion of said episodes.  Feel free to comment on personal opinions of episodes, characters you hate, guest stars that piss you off(goddamn anointed one), episodes you hate, anything goes!  I start with Buffy 101, Welcome to the Hellmouth, continue on through Season 7, then start from Angel 101, on through to Not Fade Away.  I know that Angel started concurrently from Buffy 4, but for the sake of linear progression, i'm separating the two shows. 

I won't introduce characters like i did before, because after all, if you're somewhat interested, you know all the characters anyway.  I won't start immediately, but in the next couple of days, i will start posting episode reviews. 
Title: Re: The Mega-Super-Ultra Buffy/Angel Episode Guide
Post by: Tripe on March 18, 2009, 05:06:50 AM
Excellent, I'll look forward to seeing your reviews :)
Title: Re: The Mega-Super-Ultra Buffy/Angel Episode Guide
Post by: TeamRAD on March 18, 2009, 01:08:18 PM
So ten years pass, and i function carefree in my Buffy Ignorance, until this forum decides to have a Buffy-themed Mafia Game. 

I ruined jewcarp's boners and now this!  I apologize, Ortega.  :)

no one to talk about how awesome The Gift & Dopplegandland were.

"Well, look at me. I'm all fuzzy."

Doppelgängland is a top-3 episode of mine. I'm looking forward to gabbing about it.

Title: Re: The Mega-Super-Ultra Buffy/Angel Episode Guide
Post by: Courtney on March 18, 2009, 01:19:33 PM
This makes me happier than you know.  YAY!

Is it time for season 7  yet?  I want to talk about Conversations with Dead People.  NOW.
Title: Re: The Mega-Super-Ultra Buffy/Angel Episode Guide
Post by: pezdrake on March 18, 2009, 01:27:05 PM
This makes me happier than you know.  YAY!

Is it time for season 7  yet?  I want to talk about Conversations with Dead People.  NOW.

I'll talk to you about it now.  I wondered why The First didn't simply replicate Tara and took the form of the chick that passed away from earlier in the season.  (other than AMber B not being able to show up).
Title: Re: The Mega-Super-Ultra Buffy/Angel Episode Guide
Post by: TeamRAD on March 18, 2009, 02:06:16 PM
This makes me happier than you know.  YAY!

Is it time for season 7  yet?  I want to talk about Conversations with Dead People.  NOW.

 I wondered why The First didn't simply replicate Tara and took the form of the chick that passed away from earlier in the season. 

She originally was going to be in it, but there was failure in Amber's contract negotiations w/ Mutant Enemy which prevented it from transpiring.


Edit: Whoops, bypassed the parenthesis in pez's post!



Title: Re: The Mega-Super-Ultra Buffy/Angel Episode Guide
Post by: Courtney on March 18, 2009, 02:43:36 PM
I get why AB didn't do it (other than being unable).  It would have been an affont to Tara for her last appearance to have been as an evil sprectre (but it still wouldn't have been as bad as Kennedy.  Harumph.)
Title: Re: The Mega-Super-Ultra Buffy/Angel Episode Guide
Post by: TeamRAD on March 18, 2009, 03:08:03 PM

In Kennedy's defense, she's become pretty cool. She was excellent in Swell, and her dynamic w/ Satsu was a lot of fun. The "Season Eight" think-tank are doing what I thought was unfathomable, making Kennedy...likable.

Regarding Season Seven, the only episode I truly enjoyed was the Anya-centric, Selfless. That episode was crushing. After that, it all went downhill.  :D

Title: Re: The Mega-Super-Ultra Buffy/Angel Episode Guide
Post by: Tripe on March 18, 2009, 03:09:31 PM
In Kennedy's defense, she's become pretty cool. She was excellent in Swell, and her dynamic w/ Satsu was a lot of fun. The "Season Eight" think-tank are doing what I thought was unfathomable, making Kennedy...likable.

Personally I always rather liked Kennedy
Title: Re: The Mega-Super-Ultra Buffy/Angel Episode Guide
Post by: Ortega on March 18, 2009, 03:27:47 PM
In Kennedy's defense, she's become pretty cool. She was excellent in Swell, and her dynamic w/ Satsu was a lot of fun. The "Season Eight" think-tank are doing what I thought was unfathomable, making Kennedy...likable.

Personally I always rather liked Kennedy

I'm indifferent towards Kennedy, didn't love or hate her, she was just there....
Title: Re: The Mega-Super-Ultra Buffy/Angel Episode Guide
Post by: Ortega on March 18, 2009, 04:00:08 PM
  I'm stealing episode synopses from various online sources.

Episode 101- Welcome to the Hellmouth

    The series premiere begins at Sunnydale High School, where a boy breaks into the school during the night with a seemingly reluctant girl, promising her mischief and therefore fun. Nervous and on edge, the girl thinks she heard something and fears something is there. The boy calls out but gets no response, during which the girl's face morphs into that of a vampire, and bites the boy, revealing to the viewer that she was the only danger all along. The girl, we will later find out, is Darla.

Buffy has a nightmare the morning of her first day at school. Her mother drives her to the school and encourages her to think positive. Inside the building, Principal Flutie tells her she will start with a clean slate. He reconsiders that after realizing that Buffy burned down her previous school's gym because "it was full of vampi—…asbestos."

Buffy exits the office and bumps into another student, spilling the contents of her handbag over the floor. Xander sees that and helps Buffy, introducing himself. She leaves without her stake, which Xander pockets because he called out to her, but she had already walked away. In history class, Buffy is helped by Cordelia, who afterwards tests her "coolness factor," skipping the written as Buffy had just moved to Sunnydale, California from Los Angeles. To Buffy's horror, Cordelia humiliates an awkward Willow at the water fountain. Inside the library, Mr. Giles places a book titled Vampyr in front of Buffy after realizing who she is. A stunned Buffy makes a hasty exit.

Buffy, Willow, Jesse McNally and Xander meet during a break, and Xander returns the stake. Buffy claims it is standard self-defense in Los Angeles. Cordelia appears and tells Buffy that gym is cancelled due to the "extreme dead guy" in Aura's locker. Buffy asks whether there were marks on the body, freaking out Cordelia. Buffy forces her way into the locker room, examines the body, and finds the characteristic puncture wounds of a vampire on the neck.

Buffy returns to the library and confronts Giles, who informs her that he is her Watcher. Buffy refuses to accept her calling as a Slayer, since it had gotten her kicked out of her previous school and robbed her of a social life. After they leave the library, Xander emerges from behind the shelves, having overheard the strange conversation.

That night, en route to her first visit to The Bronze, the cool hangout in Sunnydale, Buffy meets a mysterious, handsome stranger, who warns her that she is living on a Hellmouth that is about to open, and that "the Harvest" is coming. He also gives her a large silver cross. It isn't revealed until the next episode that the stranger's name is Angel.

In The Bronze, Buffy meets Willow and encourages her to seize the moment: "Because tomorrow you might be dead." She finds Giles and tells him about Angel. Giles tells her to learn to hone her skills to sense vampires anywhere. Buffy uses her fashion sense to pick out a vampire in the club and is alarmed to see Willow leave with him. She loses them and is surprised by Cordelia, nearly staking her. Cordelia immediately calls her friends to tell them about it. While Buffy looks for Willow, Jesse chats up Darla at The Bronze. Buffy is stopped by Xander, whom she convinces to help search for Willow.

Meanwhile, under the streets of Sunnydale, The Master is woken by lesser vampires from a long sleep to prepare for the Harvest. He sends Luke to fetch young blood.

Willow's new acquaintance takes her to a crypt in a cemetery, where they are joined by Darla and Jesse, whom she has bitten. Buffy and Xander arrive. Buffy kills Willow's vampire. Xander and Willow help Jesse, who has been weakened, flee. Luke takes Darla's place in the fight so she can help catch the kids. Luke throws Buffy in a stone coffin and is about to move in for the kill.

"Tune in next week!...Same Slayer time, same Slayer channel!!

My Review:

   Interesting.  At first, i was kinda turned off at the black & white portrayal of Vampires as a form of demonic possession.  But entertaiing nonetheless.  It was a bit jarring to go into the way back machine to 1996. One of the downsides in making everything in your show extremely modern, as it just dates the hell out of it.   I'm a big Dexter fan, and it was just weird seeing Julie Benz as a kill-crazy vampire right off the bat.  We get our first introductions of each characters, and this early on, you see they were feeling their way around them.  And seeing a young 27 year old David Boreanaz, i have the instincual feeling to punch him in the face, and i don't know why.  Right away, I enjoyed the Giles character. 

Overall, a decent series opener, but at this point in my "experiment", i haven't exactly been won over yet.

   
Title: Re: The Mega-Super-Ultra Buffy/Angel Episode Guide
Post by: TeamRAD on March 19, 2009, 10:06:29 AM
In Kennedy's defense, she's become pretty cool. She was excellent in Swell, and her dynamic w/ Satsu was a lot of fun. The "Season Eight" think-tank are doing what I thought was unfathomable, making Kennedy...likable.

Personally I always rather liked Kennedy

I'm indifferent towards Kennedy

I'm not, but I'll wait for the arrival of Season Seven before I step onto my soapbox. There's SOOOOO much fun to be had before having to endure that for a second time.  ;)

Episode 101- Welcome to the Hellmouth

 My Review:

   Interesting.  At first, i was kinda turned off at the black & white portrayal of Vampires as a form of demonic possession.  But entertaiing nonetheless.  It was a bit jarring to go into the way back machine to 1996. One of the downsides in making everything in your show extremely modern, as it just dates the hell out of it.   I'm a big Dexter fan, and it was just weird seeing Julie Benz as a kill-crazy vampire right off the bat.  We get our first introductions of each characters, and this early on, you see they were feeling their way around them.  And seeing a young 27 year old David Boreanaz, i have the instincual feeling to punch him in the face, and i don't know why.  Right away, I enjoyed the Giles character. 

Overall, a decent series opener, but at this point in my "experiment", i haven't exactly been won over yet.


The aspect from the pilot I enjoy very much is how Joss takes the viewer through an unlawful entrance into Sunnydale High's science lab for which metaphorically represents one of the defining characteristics of a supernatural story...the naturalistic order. That was very calculating on Joss' behalf, and it really set the benchmark for what we had coming our way. Once Season Three arrived, it's overdose.  :D

Ortega, you've seen the unaired pilot, right? I referenced a segment from it in the Mafia game, and if you haven't seen it, you should youtube it. You'll ever be thankful that Alyson Hannigan was cast as Willow. And the vamp-dustings....*shivers*

This thread inspired me to have a mini-Buffy marathon after the Idol shenanigans last night. I went w/ the Life Serial, Once More With Feeling, and Tabula Rasa triumvirate...they came out punching in Season Six.  :)

Title: Re: The Mega-Super-Ultra Buffy/Angel Episode Guide
Post by: Courtney on March 19, 2009, 10:23:25 AM
This thread inspired me to have a mini-Buffy marathon after the Idol shenanigans last night. I went w/ the Life Serial, Once More With Feeling, and Tabula Rasa triumvirate...they came out punching in Season Six.  :)

Everytime I watch Tabula Rasa, I am compelled to listen to "Goodbye To You" on repeat for the next week. 

Re: the pilot, did we ever see Xander on a skateboard ever again?  Or was that just an establishing "this is your social-fringe funny guy.  LOVE HIM NOW." thing?
Title: Re: The Mega-Super-Ultra Buffy/Angel Episode Guide
Post by: TeamRAD on March 19, 2009, 10:29:48 AM
This thread inspired me to have a mini-Buffy marathon after the Idol shenanigans last night. I went w/ the Life Serial, Once More With Feeling, and Tabula Rasa triumvirate...they came out punching in Season Six.  :)
Re: the pilot, did we ever see Xander on a skateboard ever again?  Or was that just an establishing "this is your social-fringe funny guy.  LOVE HIM NOW." thing?

Yep, Book 20 of Season Eight.

;)

Title: Re: The Mega-Super-Ultra Buffy/Angel Episode Guide
Post by: Ortega on March 19, 2009, 03:47:16 PM
Becuase I didn't Post it before, and there isn't any suitable version on youtube, i give you, the Buffy Theme song for Season 1.

http://www.divshare.com/flash/playlist?myId=6859065-d98

Episode 102 - The Harvest

   Luke is about to finish off Buffy, who is trapped in a stone coffin, but is repelled by the silver cross that a mysterious stranger had given her earlier that evening.

Buffy escapes the mausoleum and saves Xander and Willow from vampires in the graveyard. Darla has taken Jesse, however. She and Luke inform The Master that there is probably a Slayer in town. The Master decides to use Jesse as bait.

Giles and Buffy give Xander and Willow a brief introduction to the world of vampires, demons and Slayers. Willow accesses the city council's plans for Sunnydale's tunnel system. In a flashback, Buffy realizes that there must be an access to it in the crypt. Xander is hurt when Buffy declines his help and follows her anyway.

Willow is researching the Master in the computer lab when Cordelia trash-talks about Buffy and insults Willow again. In a fine show of nerd revenge, Willow convinces Cordelia to press the DEL key to "deliver" her assignment. It ended up erasing her hard work. The dark stranger appears just as Buffy is about to enter the tunnel system in the crypt. He is named Angel. He gives her directions to The Master's lair, but only wishes her luck after she is out of earshot.

Xander catches up with Buffy. They find Jesse, who leads them into a trap. They barely escape, with Xander pulling Buffy out of a manhole. Underground, The Master is unhappy about their escape and punishes the vampire Collin by poking his eye out. Luke drinks the Master's blood, turning Luke into the Vessel. Every soul Luke now takes will give the Master more strength to break out of his confinement.

Buffy and Xander return to the library. Giles explains that the Master arrived 60 years ago to open the Hellmouth, a portal to another reality, but was swallowed by an earthquake. He is now hoping to escape with the help of a Vessel in a once-in-a-century opportunity called "The Harvest." To prevent the Master from escaping and opening the Hellmouth, they must kill the Vessel. Xander suggests that the vampires will be at The Bronze.

On her way there, Buffy swings by her house to get weapons, and is promptly grounded by her mother, who has been called by the Principal about Buffy skipping classes. Buffy grabs her weapons from a secret compartment of a chest and climbs out of the second-floor window.

Luke and other vampires burst into The Bronze and start the killing. Buffy arrives in time to save Cordelia. She also notices the Vessel mark on Luke's forehead. Xander ends up staking Jesse with a fleeing woman's unknowing help. Willow pours holy water on Darla when she is about to bite Giles. Buffy tricks Luke to win her fight. The other vampires flee. Outside The Bronze, Angel realizes that Buffy has done it. "I'll be damned," he says.

The next morning, Cordelia exemplifies the denial most Sunnydale residents undergo after paranormal encounters. Giles warns the budding gang of more battles ahead, which they accept more nonchalantly than he would like.

My Review

    OK, a satisfying conclusion.  Here we see that Buffy isn't just a whiny girl, and is capable of dealing some major ass-kicking.  Though, The Master and his vessel Luke with their religiuosity can get a bit tiresome, but they are very much the antithesis to Buffy and her gang.  They were being WAY too mysterious with Angel's apperances, and his brooding msytiquie is not lowering my desire to punch him in the face. Here we see Willow and Xander grow into their future support roles.  Xander is laying the "I'm a quirky nerd!" schtick on a little thick, and Willow here is a bit too much of the Bookworm Nerd type, but overall, interesting and likeable. 

I read somewhere that Charisma Carpenter(Cordelia, duh) initially auditoned for the role of Buffy, but was late for the audition, and instead read for Cordy instead.  AND also interesting is that SMG was initially cast as Cordelia.  That would have been a interesting change. Rethink the entire series with that casting......would we have gotten Eliza as Faith?  who knows.....
Title: Re: The Mega-Super-Ultra Buffy/Angel Episode Guide
Post by: anais.jude on March 20, 2009, 05:41:32 AM
I'm not  abig fan of season 1. I wasn't hooked on the show until prophecy girl. I will be back to discuss when fearless leader gets to it.
Title: Re: The Mega-Super-Ultra Buffy/Angel Episode Guide
Post by: Ortega on March 20, 2009, 11:28:37 PM
For the time being, instead of writing a summary, i'll just post the actual episode from Hulu.com

Episode 103 - The Witch

http://www.hulu.com/watch/88/buffy-the-vampire-slayer-the-witch#x-0,vepisode,1

My Review:

  The first non-vampire story of Buffy.  Interesting, yet kind of hacknyed.  Being a male, i guess i don;t get the whole cheerleading thing, but we see here that Whedon is pretty much making the case of "High School is Hell", and a school on top of a hellmouth pretty much makes that statement a literal fact.  I could have done without the Party Jam '96 music.  Anyway, a decent episode, but nothing to write home about ( or write on a message board for that matter), and the only thing of big importance is the introduction of Amy, who will in voluntarily become a rat in Season 3, facilitate Willow's decent into darkness in season 6, and go all Lizzy Borden in Season 8.

 Again, not yet have I been won over yet, and at this point, i'm still not exactly hooked.
Title: Re: The Mega-Super-Ultra Buffy/Angel Episode Guide
Post by: Ortega on April 05, 2009, 09:50:18 AM
Hulu Episode

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Episode 104 - Teacher's Pet

 One evening at The Bronze, Xander suavely saves the Slayer from a menacing vamp, then mounts the stage to play his guitar solo and "kiss her like she has never been kissed before." He is rudely awakened from this beautiful dream to find himself stuck in the hell known as biology class, and Dr. Gregory is about to call on him.

The only teacher who believes in Buffy, Dr. Gregory, is killed by a monster. The substitute teacher, Natalie French, turns every boy's head, and seems to have a thing about insects, especially the praying mantis. Buffy and Willow just roll their eyes.

Angel shows up at the Bronze, warns Buffy that somebody wants to rip her throat out, gives her his jacket, and vanishes again.Buffy's attraction to Angel becomes apparent when she wears his jacket at school. Cordelia finds the headless body of Dr. Gregory in the cafeteria locker. The Scoobies try to figure out if there is a connection to the Master, but don't rule out that there is a second monster about. Buffy goes into the park and confronts a vampire who has a large claw in place of a right hand. The fight is interrupted by the police, and the vampire flees. While in pursuit, she sees the vampire come up behind Miss French, who just stares at him. To Buffy's surprise, the vampire bolts in panic.

The next day, Buffy is sent to a counselor to help her get over seeing the dead body. This makes her late for the surprise test that Miss French gives the class — a test where she helps Xander with a question. Buffy looks through the window in the door, and Miss French turns her head 180 degrees to look at her. Later, Miss French asks Xander over to her house in the evening to work on a project.

Back in the library, Buffy figures that Miss French must be a praying mantis, and convinces the others. Buffy tries to warn Xander, but he brushes her off, saying that she is just jealous.

Miss French welcomes Xander with a drink, a fire in the fireplace, and a tight dress. The drink knocks him out just when she turns into an insect. Xander wakes up in a cage next to another student who tells him how she mates — deadly. Willow calls Xander's mother and finds out that he isn't home. Buffy gets Giles to record bat sonar, while Miss French chooses Xander to be her next victim. When the remaining Scoobies visit the house where Miss French is supposed to live, they find a nice old woman who is the real Ms. French, but retired in 1972. To quickly find Xander, Buffy tracks the one-handed vampire, who is so scared of the she-mantis that he knows just which house is the right one. Buffy breaks through the window when the mantis is about to mate with Xander. She slays the insect, using the bat sonar to weaken it.

Buffy, in Angel's jacket, later meets him at the Bronze. He tells her to keep it, and Buffy is obviously smitten. The last scene shows Buffy putting Dr. Gregory's glasses in his closet, but not noticing that there are she-mantis eggs attached to the bottom of a shelf.

My Review:

                Semi-decent episode.  Not all that great, but nothing to get excited about.  Here we see Xander begin his bad luck luck of being a demon magnet.  Again, the writers are still trying to hide Angel's identity, and i still want to punch him.   Though i will say that here you see the core group of the Scoobies start to gel.  I'm not hooked, but i'm interested enough to continue.
Title: Re: The Mega-Super-Ultra Buffy/Angel Episode Guide
Post by: Ortega on April 29, 2009, 01:39:43 AM
Sorry i've been remiss on this little project, personal things and whatnot got in the way, but back to it, and possibly an episode a day.

Hulu Episode Link

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Episode 105 - Never Kill a Boy On the First Date

The Master reveals a ancient prophecy about an Anointed One, a great warrior of the Master, who the Slayer will not know, but will lead her into Hell"

Buffy finally gets a date—sensitive hunk Owen shows an interest in her. To Giles' exasperation, all Buffy can think about is impressing him with an uncharacteristic interest in the American poet Emily Dickinson. In the school cafeteria, Buffy has to fight off Cordelia to sit at one table with Owen, but it is worth it. He asks Buffy out on a date to The Bronze that very evening.

However, Giles has found out about the prophecy from the symbol on a ring they found in the cemetery. He is convinced that the Anointed One will rise that night, and so despite Buffy's protests, they spend hours sitting on graves waiting for a vampire to rise. None does, however, and though Giles is certain that his calculations are correct, he calls their stakeless stake-out quits. Buffy rushes to The Bronze, only to see Owen dancing with Cordelia. Crushed, she leaves without trying to talk to him.

At the same time, in a bus on the way to Sunnydale, a man stands up and begins to lecture the other passengers on God's judgment, quoting prophecies. Suddenly, a vampire walks in front of the bus, causing it to crash. Other vampires swarm the wreck, attacking the passengers, including the religious man.

The next morning, Owen asks Buffy out on another date that night and even gives her a pocket-watch so that she doesn't miss it this time. Buffy jumps at the opportunity, while Xander is left to stew in his jealousy.

When evening comes, Giles shows up at Buffy's house, waving a newspaper that shows five people died when the bus crashed, among them the suspected murderer Andrew Borba, the man who was quoting prophecies. Buffy insists on going to the Bronze, though, so Giles decides to check the Sunnydale funeral home himself. Unfortunately, there are vampires present to get the Anointed One, and they trap Giles in a room. Xander and Willow have followed him, though, and run back to The Bronze to get Buffy.

There, first Cordelia, then Angel tries to come in between Buffy and Owen. Finally, Xander and Willow managed to get her to come to the funeral home by pretending to be a couple that wants to do something daring on a double date. When Buffy figures out what has happened, she tries to dump Owen, but unfortunately, he tags along. Even worse, he is present in the funeral home when Borba rises as a vampire. In the fight, Owen is knocked unconscious. Buffy, angry that he has "killed [her] date," kills Borba by sliding him into the furnace while still alive, or rather, still undead.

The next morning, Owen is extremely excited about what they have been through and wants more — this is what he likes about Buffy, he says, and almost being killed made him feel alive. She realizes that there is no way that she can have a relationship with him; sooner or later, he will get himself killed. With a heavy heart, she breaks up with him.

Giles tries to comfort her by telling her what a burden it was for him as a ten-year-old to find out his destiny was to be a watcher when he would rather have been a fighter pilot — or possibly a grocer. Both agree that at least the Master will be unhappy, too, because the Anointed One was destroyed.

But in his underground lair, the Master is overjoyed as he welcomes the real Anointed One — not Borba after all, but a young boy who was on the bus with him.

My Comments

  All right, good episode, with vampires in our Vampire Show.  Though, i thought Borba as the generic Crazy Killer Dude was a bit cliched.  An a nice bit of character development for Buffy, with the realization that due to her "occupation", she really won't have what could be considered a normal relationship.  I thought , even though i really hated Xander's infatuation with Buffy a bit tiresome, that the scene in Buffy's room as she's trying on clothes for the date was classic Xander." .......You're not bothering me..." .  And i enjoyed the scene in the Bronze when Angel, and then Xander and Willow try to ram it into Buffy's thick skull that it's slayerin' time, without letting the other person in on her secret. 

Overall, enjoyable episode, and i want to punch Angel a bit less.  At this point, the show is starting to grow on me a bit, but i'm not exactly won over yet.
Title: Re: The Mega-Super-Ultra Buffy/Angel Episode Guide
Post by: anais.jude on April 29, 2009, 10:26:34 PM
I find we are similair on our Buffy season 1 tastes. More please!
Title: Re: The Mega-Super-Ultra Buffy/Angel Episode Guide
Post by: Ortega on April 30, 2009, 04:45:37 AM
Hulu Episode Link

http://www.hulu.com/watch/73/buffy-the-vampire-slayer-the-pack

Episode 106 -  The Pack

It's a terrific day to be out of school, except that Buffy and her Sunnydale High classmates are technically on a field trip to the zoo. A gang of four kids taunt and terrorize other students, and when one boy does not have the courage to tell Principal Flutie what they have done to him, they "reward" him by taking him with them to the Hyena House even though it is under quarantine. Xander follows to help him, whereas Willow and Buffy are stopped by a warden. He warns the two girls that the animals, fresh from Africa, are said to have special powers. They can even call your name.

In the Hyena House, the hyenas take a flashy-eyed look at the gang of four and Xander. Their eyes flash in return. Only the original victim is spared. None of them notice that they have been standing on a magic symbol of some kind.

Xander is now part of the gang, and his behavior has changed: he is insulting, cruel, tends to scratch himself and smell people. Even more ominous, the school's new mascot piglet Herbert tries to flee when it smells Xander. During dodge ball, Xander hits Willow with an excessively hard throw. The game ends with Buffy the last remaining member of her team and Xander, the gang of four and the victim from the Hyena House on the other side. Instead of attacking Buffy, the pack goes for the boy until Buffy steps in. Later, Xander tells Willow in front of the laughing gang that he won't be needing her help any more and is happy he won't have to look in her pasty face ever again. Buffy watches the exchange, but when she confronts him, Xander walks off with the other four, still laughing. Guided by their noses, the five pay a visit to Herbert's cage. Xander suggests lunch and the piglet squeals in terror.

Giles shows no inclination to believe anything is wrong with Xander except that he is a 16-year-old boy. His attitude changes when Herbert is found, eaten. After checking his books, Giles warns that they could be dealing with a case of possession. Buffy runs to find Xander, and finds the piglet's cage totally demolished. Xander jumps Buffy, pins her to the floor and tries to assault her sexually and he asks Buffy if she like Angel more than him. Buffy knocks him unconscious with a desk and locks him in the book cage in the library.

When Principal Flutie finds his pig dead, he knows that the original gang of four are involved and calls them into his office. There, they kill and eat him.

Returning from a teacher's meeting to the library, Giles tells Willow and Buffy about what happened to Principal Flutie. Giles and Buffy go see the zoo warden who tells them that he is not surprised by the possession and knows about the magic involved, but is not sure how the students were affected: he hasn't been able to figure out the ritual. Giles supplies the missing information: a predatory act is required, like when the original four students tormented the boy.

Meanwhile, in the library, Xander tries to sweet-talk his way out of the book cage, but Willow sees through his ruse. The other four pack members break into the library, free Xander, and then all five hunt Willow through the corridors of the school. Cornered in a class room, she is rescued by Buffy and Giles. The five turn away from Buffy, and find an easier target, a family in a car. Buffy drives them off there, too, and offering herself as bait, lures them back to the Hyena House where the warden in full war paint is supposed to perform a reverse of the possession spell with Giles' help. Giles realizes that the warden had tried to call the power for himself, but couldn't figure out how until he learned about the predatory act from Giles. The warden knocks Giles unconscious.

Willow reaches the Hyena House before Buffy, and the warden ties her up and puts a knife to her throat, telling her it is the "predatory act" that will trigger the ritual and save the boys. Buffy arrives with the others close behind, and stops in when she sees Willow in peril. The pursuing pack knocks her down, and the warden uses this predatory act to shout a spell that pulls the animal spirits from the five students into himself. His eyes flash and he tries to bite Willow. Xander, freed of the spell, sees Willow in danger and tackles the warden. In the fight, Buffy knocks the warden into the hyenas' pen, where he is eaten. The gang of four flee. When everything is over, Giles staggers in.

The next day, Xander tells Willow and Buffy he does not remember anything, and they shrug the whole episode off with a smile. Giles, walking up to him from behind, points out that he cannot remember reading anything about memory loss during possession in his books, but promises to keep the embarrassed Xander's secret.

My Review:

Dumb Episode Alert!..I REPEAT: DUMB EPISODE ALERT!!  This is not a drill, people, We are at moronic Defcon 5.  MOVE YOUR ASSES!!

Seriously, there's so much going wrong with this episode, starting with the "bully" gang.  Now i'll admit i was very much a nerd in school, and i've endured my fair share of taunting from fellow students, and i have to say, the caliber of bullies in Sunnydale High are quite low indeed.  Not one thing about them was threatening or intimidating.  Its like the runway models at an Isaac Mizrahi show decided to go to High School and taunt the freshman.  Also, Xander is many things, but what he isn't, is intimidating.  Every time He, and the other members of the Hyena Demon Spirit Gang came on screen acting all....Hyena-y.. i couldn't suppress the laughter.  And that's another thing, HYENA DEMONS???  REALLY??  Taking a look at the credits for this epi., it seems that This was another episode not written by Joss, and it fuckin' shows.  Throughout Season 1, we'll be subjected to this low-grade X-Files bullshit a few times. so steel yourself for them.  And who didn't see the Zoo Keeper being the dastardly villain coming a mile away. 

Overall, stupid episode, and the only reason to watch it, is to see Prinicpal Flutie get eaten, which will make way for Principal Snyder.  Played by the unforgettable Armin Shimmerman(QUARK!!!!)  I swear, even without the makeup, he still looks like a Ferengi.
Title: Re: The Mega-Super-Ultra Buffy/Angel Episode Guide
Post by: Ortega on April 30, 2009, 04:47:24 AM
Question for the two or three people keeping tabs on this thread:  Since there are Hulu episodes available for Season 1-3, should i bother with a plot synopsis, or just get straight to the review?
Title: Re: The Mega-Super-Ultra Buffy/Angel Episode Guide
Post by: Tripe on April 30, 2009, 04:49:39 AM
Hmm assuming the others keeping tabs are like me then we already know the synopses.

I like reading them but if you wanted to skip them I suppose you could do that :)
Title: Re: The Mega-Super-Ultra Buffy/Angel Episode Guide
Post by: Ortega on April 30, 2009, 04:53:14 AM
i suppose i'll keep them, or possibly keep them spoiler'd.  I hate taking up all that space.
Title: Re: The Mega-Super-Ultra Buffy/Angel Episode Guide
Post by: Drusilla on April 30, 2009, 11:56:52 AM
I think I'll wait for the season 2 reviews... not that season one didn't have some charm.. after all it got me hooked, but season 2 is when the series began to ramp up.
Title: Re: The Mega-Super-Ultra Buffy/Angel Episode Guide
Post by: anais.jude on April 30, 2009, 10:19:54 PM
I don't need the synopsi
Title: Re: The Mega-Super-Ultra Buffy/Angel Episode Guide
Post by: TeamRAD on May 05, 2009, 05:13:58 PM
Question for the two or three people keeping tabs on this thread:  Since there are Hulu episodes available for Season 1-3, should i bother with a plot synopsis, or just get straight to the review?

Straight to the review, Preacher-man!  :)

I'll jump in when "Prophecy Girl" rolls around and claim residency within the thread from then on out.

Title: Re: The Mega-Super-Ultra Buffy/Angel Episode Guide
Post by: Ortega on May 05, 2009, 08:51:01 PM
OK...since i'm providing the Hulu links, i'm forgoing Synopsi for a while.

http://www.hulu.com/watch/69/buffy-the-vampire-slayer-angel

Episode 107 - Angel

  "Hey!  I wonder what this episode is about?"

   In all seriousness, this was a very good episode.  It finally does away with all the Mysterious Guy crap, and lays it out on the line.  Out of the entire group, Xander is probably the only person who had a responsible and realistic reaction to the big reveal.( Kill Him!.....Or punch him then Kill him!)  Understand that my initial reaction of wanting to punch Angel in the face was that he had no weight behind the mysterious brooding.  He was just another asshole in black clothes, with "nancy boy hair gel"  and a permanent scowl.  The revelation that he's a vampire, and used to be one of the worst, actually gives the character a bit of emotional weight. and therefore i no longer want to punch him.  Its too bad that we get another appearance of Darla, portrayed by the delectable Julie Benz, only to have her staked at the end of the episode( but don't worry, She'll be back.)  Now, again, me being male, maybe i don't understand the whole bad boy attraction, but after Buffy found that Angel used to be a kill crazy vampire, she still contemplated dating him.  Look, i found Darla to be pretty damn hot(and the addition of the catholic school outfit, sizzle-sizzle), but once i find out she has a kill count number bigger than  a phone book, that's pretty much a deal breaker, Soul or No Soul.   And i found Darla whipping out the pistols to be a bit cliche, and a bit cheap, and it seemed the only reason she shot Angel was to show to the audience what a bullet does to a Vampire: "Bullets don't kill vampires, but they hurt a hell of a lot."(Though later in the fourth season of Angel, he says that a gunshot felt like a bee-sting, but that's just me being a bit nerdy.

Anyway, a very good episode.  It finally delves into the mythos of the show, adds a bit of a twist to stated facts, and is overall entertaining.  At this point in the experiment, I'm actually engaged in the story, and i feel the need to keep watching.   Too bad, the next episode is a huge headslapper........
Title: Re: The Mega-Super-Ultra Buffy/Angel Episode Guide
Post by: Ortega on May 05, 2009, 09:04:22 PM
Since the Mafia game is over(for me at least), i think this pic is a good choice for an avatar for this thread:

(http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q80/paranoia2K/Andrew.jpg)

Title: Re: The Mega-Super-Ultra Buffy/Angel Episode Guide
Post by: Drusilla on May 05, 2009, 09:42:06 PM
I remember when that episode first aired and everyone wanted to know what the big secret behind Angel was... to me it was obvious "Vampire duh." Seriously in a universe where vampires exist and we never see the guy in daylight really not much of a stretch. Aside from that I'm going to have to agree that it was a very well done episode, and I shudder to think about what would have happened to Buffy if was aired on the Fox network.
I also don't understand the appeal of Angel, but I get the bad boy thing. Spike was more my guy, and I found that he had more going for him as a character than Angel, imo.
Can't wait for more reviews.
Title: Re: The Mega-Super-Ultra Buffy/Angel Episode Guide
Post by: Ortega on May 06, 2009, 07:14:35 PM
Hulu Episode Link

http://www.hulu.com/watch/45/buffy-the-vampire-slayer-i-robot-you-jane

Episode 108 - I, Robot, You Jane

  Holy fucking shit-balls, this is such a stupid episode!  The ONLY reason to even attempt to watch this episode is the introduction of Jenny Calendar(..mmmm...).  Other than that, this episode is one big pile of steaming crap.  Think back and remember, this episode aired in 1997, and was possibly made back in '96, so a lot of people didn't know exactly what the Internet was, or was for, so the episode is literally a litany against everyone's fear on what the Internet was, and what it meant to society.  You can tell the writer was a HUGE technophobe.  And i literally did a headpalm when the scene between Dave & Moloch.  I mean he had the HAL-type voice, and i was screaming: " Don't say it!  Don't fuckin' say it!".  And yet, he did.  " I'm afraid i can't let you do that, Dave.."  WHAT IN THE BLOODY NAME OF HOLY FUCK???!!!!  Its like the ONLY reason the nerdy kid's name was Dave, was to facilitate that HORRIBLE allusion to 2001.  I can equivocally say : FUCK THIS EPISODE.

Sorry for the use of foul language, but this episode just pisses me off to no end.

I did enjoy one thing about this episode:  At the end, when Buffy, Willow, & Xander are joking around that living on the Hellmouth will ruin thier love lives, and they all share a nice laugh, then it turns into uncomfortable laughing, and then just disconcerted frowning.  A cheap joke, but funny.  But that's all you get from me, Shitty Season 1 Buffy Episode!!!
Title: Re: The Mega-Super-Ultra Buffy/Angel Episode Guide
Post by: Tyrant on May 07, 2009, 11:34:48 AM
Best...written...review...EVER!!!   :D
Title: Re: The Mega-Super-Ultra Buffy/Angel Episode Guide
Post by: Courtney on May 07, 2009, 12:00:35 PM
 :clap:   :D

SO TRUE.  Fuck that episode just so hard (she says as she prepares to defend "Beer Bad" with her life when Season 4 comes around).

I also don't understand the appeal of Angel, but I get the bad boy thing. Spike was more my guy, and I found that he had more going for him as a character than Angel, imo.

I'm a Team Angel die hard Buffy/Angel shipper.  In fairness, I think it has a lot to do with the fact that I was like 12 when the show started and you tend to romanticize everything at that age, and it just never really went away.  I love Spike as a character, but Angel's pretty great.  Especially latter half season two.
Title: Re: The Mega-Super-Ultra Buffy/Angel Episode Guide
Post by: ebeth on May 07, 2009, 04:13:07 PM
I have always been a Spike chick since Season 2 episode 1 (but I'll gush when we get to that one) and yet I enjoy Angel the same way I enjoy all my Gay guy friends, perfectly lovable but not worth trying to bone.

Title: Re: The Mega-Super-Ultra Buffy/Angel Episode Guide
Post by: Tyrant on May 07, 2009, 05:03:28 PM
I've always sided with Spike way more than Angel. Not that I'm into the whole "bad boy" thing or whatever. I find the character to be more honest to what he is, more decisive, tougher, funnier,  and just more interesting in general. There's only so much angst I can take with Angel. Spike, in comparison, adapts, puts his war face on and doesn't whine. I find this much more appealing.

You've also got to love a vampire that has no problem eating chocolate chip cookies and drinking booze.
Title: Re: The Mega-Super-Ultra Buffy/Angel Episode Guide
Post by: Tripe on May 07, 2009, 06:45:05 PM
I think there should have been Xanffy.
Title: Re: The Mega-Super-Ultra Buffy/Angel Episode Guide
Post by: Ortega on May 07, 2009, 07:16:30 PM
Hulu Episode Link:

http://www.hulu.com/watch/76/buffy-the-vampire-slayer-the-puppet-show
 

Episode 109 - The Puppet Show


       All right, this is a bit better.  Not to say this episode doesn't have it fair share of stupidity, but anything is better than "Last week's" episode.  This episode is the first appearance of Principal Snyder, so rock on for that.  And i have to say, i didn't see the reveal of the puppet being a demon hunter, and not a demon.  The looks on the Scooby Gang's face are priceless.  Giles here has another episode to unveil his British ability to stammer and generally look befuddled, and boy, he does not disappoint!  A semi-decent episode, and a far bit of laughs, but nothing special either. 

Watch this episode, if nothing than to see the Scooby's production of Oedipus.............man.....have i been there( the bad high school plays, not the other thing........)

 WOW!  I'm actually coming through on my episode a day promise!
Title: Re: The Mega-Super-Ultra Buffy/Angel Episode Guide
Post by: Ortega on May 10, 2009, 02:04:14 PM
And then i abandon it for three days!

Hulu Episode Link

http://www.hulu.com/watch/59/buffy-the-vampire-slayer-nightmares

Episode 110 - Nightmares

   An average episode.  while not completely asinine, it still feels weak, and like a majority of the 1st season, feels like just, blah.  And who didn't see the big reveal of the monster being a mental image of the little kid's  abusive coach/proxy father figure coimg a mile away?   Its still a watchable episode, but nothing special either. 

 Though there was once cool aspect of the episode, and that's Vampire Buffy:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Another thing i noticed about this episode:  Buffy's gravestone reads her being born in 1981, which makes her the same age as me.,,,,just a coincidence that i found amusing.

Title: Re: The Mega-Super-Ultra Buffy/Angel Episode Guide
Post by: dignan on May 11, 2009, 12:27:43 PM
Whoa, missed this whole thread until now.  Let's see...first ep I ever saw was Prophecy Girl, and I was hooked instantly.  Season One always felt kind of "quaint" in the wake of what would follow, but it still has its charms.  Guess I'll just chime in on Nightmares for the time being:  I liked it when I first saw it, not a pivotal episode by any means, but the bit where they come across Buffy's grave and Giles reveals that they're in his nightmare always had a nice impact.  In retrospect, it kind of comes across as a dry run for Restless in season 4 (a vastly superior episode, in my opinion).  The wrap-up of the episode is pretty weak, though, and is the closest the Scooby Gang ever got to being the actual Scooby-Doo gang with the whole "The one who beat up the kid is...THE COACH" moment.
Title: Re: The Mega-Super-Ultra Buffy/Angel Episode Guide
Post by: dignan on May 11, 2009, 12:30:41 PM
Oh and also, at what point did "Nightmare" Hank Summers turn into the real version of Buffy's dad?  For the first two seasons, he was mostly absent, yes, but was shown to be a caring parent when he was around.  Then at some point, he abandons her completely?  And then shows up randomly in Buffy's "hallucination" in season 6?  Just...weird continuity with his character. 
Title: Re: The Mega-Super-Ultra Buffy/Angel Episode Guide
Post by: TeamRAD on May 11, 2009, 12:55:37 PM
Restless in season 4 (a vastly superior episode, in my opinion)

"Restless" is so overrated.  :D

Title: Re: The Mega-Super-Ultra Buffy/Angel Episode Guide
Post by: dignan on May 11, 2009, 01:08:40 PM
Really?  It's probably the only Buffy episode I could throw on and watch and be entertained regardless of what my mood is. 
Title: Re: The Mega-Super-Ultra Buffy/Angel Episode Guide
Post by: TeamRAD on May 11, 2009, 01:56:36 PM

Within the context of Joss' use of postmodernism throughout the entire fourth season, I can definitely see where Joss was going w/ it. However, "Restless" fell very, very flat for me and came across rather indulgent. Especially in wake of what precluded it w/ the ground-breaking "Hush", and the mind-blowing two-parter in "This Year's Girl"/"Who Are You?". "Hush" deserves all the accolades it does receive (I've been extolling it for some time), but philosophically speaking, TYG/WAY? is an absolute thrill-ride and then some. I'm looking forward to touching upon it when the time comes around. I always point to it to illustrate why Buffy is SO much more than meets the eye. It's genius.

"Restless", blah. I'll pass on the cheese.  ;)

Title: Re: The Mega-Super-Ultra Buffy/Angel Episode Guide
Post by: Ortega on May 12, 2009, 01:41:43 AM
Hulu Episode Link:

http://www.hulu.com/watch/97/buffy-the-vampire-slayer-out-of-mindout-of-sight

Episode 111 - Out of Mind,....Out of Sight

    Another low-rent X-files reject episode.  Not to say it wasn't overall enjoyable, it was still just kinda dumb, and unsubtly an obvious allegory:  Unpopular people feel invisible.  No shit.  And one of the more disappointing aspects of the episode was the fact that one of my favorite actresses, Clea Duvall, wasn't actually onscreen for most of the episode, using the same hackneyed method of portraying an invisible person: " Let's shoot the camera at fuckin' nothing while the actor reads his lines in ADR"  Also, at the end of the episode, Marcy is conscripted in a secret government agency (which could be The Initiative), but nothing is ever mentioned about it again, which kinda sucks.

  I enjoyed Cordelia's distilling of The Merchant of Venice's Shylock as being " self-involved and whiny.  Leave it to Cordy to cut through the bullshit and go right to the matter.  When she's not playing Queen Bitch, she's quite remarkable, and I enjoy that aspect of her character.  Thankfully, she'll play a larger part in the episodes to follow, especially in the next episode.....

  Overall, a watchable episode, but again, not exactly great, and other shows have done the concept better.

Tommorrow: Propechy Girl!  Please contain the Buffy-gasms 'till i post the review!!!!
Title: Re: The Mega-Super-Ultra Buffy/Angel Episode Guide
Post by: TeamRAD on May 12, 2009, 01:59:42 AM
Tommorrow: Propechy Girl!  Please contain the Buffy-gasms 'till i post the review!!!!

It's showtime!  :D

Title: Re: The Mega-Super-Ultra Buffy/Angel Episode Guide
Post by: Tripe on May 12, 2009, 05:16:53 AM
Hulu Episode Link:

http://www.hulu.com/watch/97/buffy-the-vampire-slayer-out-of-mindout-of-sight

Episode 111 - Out of Mind,....Out of Sight

    Another low-rent X-files reject episode.  Not to say it wasn't overall enjoyable, it was still just kinda dumb, and unsubtly an obvious allegory:  Unpopular people feel invisible.  No shit.  And one of the more disappointing aspects of the episode was the fact that one of my favorite actresses, Clea Duvall, wasn't actually onscreen for most of the episode, using the same hackneyed method of portraying an invisible person: " Let's shoot the camera at fuckin' nothing while the actor reads his lines in ADR"  Also, at the end of the episode, Marcy is conscripted in a secret government agency (which could be The Initiative), but nothing is ever mentioned about it again, which kinda sucks.

  I enjoyed Cordelia's distilling of The Merchant of Venice's Shylock as being " self-involved and whiny.  Leave it to Cordy to cut through the bullshit and go right to the matter.  When she's not playing Queen Bitch, she's quite remarkable, and I enjoy that aspect of her character.  Thankfully, she'll play a larger part in the episodes to follow, especially in the next episode.....

  Overall, a watchable episode, but again, not exactly great, and other shows have done the concept better.

Tommorrow: Propechy Girl!  Please contain the Buffy-gasms 'till i post the review!!!!

Do you know how many letters the comic gets asking for Marcy to show up? She is an inexplicably popular character.
Title: Re: The Mega-Super-Ultra Buffy/Angel Episode Guide
Post by: dignan on May 12, 2009, 06:40:38 AM

Within the context of Joss' use of postmodernism throughout the entire fourth season, I can definitely see where Joss was going w/ it. However, "Restless" fell very, very flat for me and came across rather indulgent. Especially in wake of what precluded it w/ the ground-breaking "Hush", and the mind-blowing two-parter in "This Year's Girl"/"Who Are You?". "Hush" deserves all the accolades it does receive (I've been extolling it for some time), but philosophically speaking, TYG/WAY? is an absolute thrill-ride and then some. I'm looking forward to touching upon it when the time comes around. I always point to it to illustrate why Buffy is SO much more than meets the eye. It's genius.

"Restless", blah. I'll pass on the cheese.  ;)



See, people always latched onto the cheese guy and that damn cat.  Everything else going on was what made the episode for me.  Plus it has Riley's best moment in the series ever, as the cowboy in Death of A Salesman. 


Hulu Episode Link:

http://www.hulu.com/watch/97/buffy-the-vampire-slayer-out-of-mindout-of-sight

Episode 111 - Out of Mind,....Out of Sight

    Another low-rent X-files reject episode.  Not to say it wasn't overall enjoyable, it was still just kinda dumb, and unsubtly an obvious allegory:  Unpopular people feel invisible.  No shit.  And one of the more disappointing aspects of the episode was the fact that one of my favorite actresses, Clea Duvall, wasn't actually onscreen for most of the episode, using the same hackneyed method of portraying an invisible person: " Let's shoot the camera at fuckin' nothing while the actor reads his lines in ADR"  Also, at the end of the episode, Marcy is conscripted in a secret government agency (which could be The Initiative), but nothing is ever mentioned about it again, which kinda sucks.

  I enjoyed Cordelia's distilling of The Merchant of Venice's Shylock as being " self-involved and whiny.  Leave it to Cordy to cut through the bullshit and go right to the matter.  When she's not playing Queen Bitch, she's quite remarkable, and I enjoy that aspect of her character.  Thankfully, she'll play a larger part in the episodes to follow, especially in the next episode.....

  Overall, a watchable episode, but again, not exactly great, and other shows have done the concept better.

Tommorrow: Propechy Girl!  Please contain the Buffy-gasms 'till i post the review!!!!

Not a great episode, but one of the first times they give Cordelia an opportunity to do more than be obnoxious.  It's nice to see her drop her guard a little, while still retaining the notion that everything that's happening is Buffy and the gang's fault. 
Title: Re: The Mega-Super-Ultra Buffy/Angel Episode Guide
Post by: TeamRAD on May 12, 2009, 08:41:31 AM
Hulu Episode Link:

http://www.hulu.com/watch/97/buffy-the-vampire-slayer-out-of-mindout-of-sight

Episode 111 - Out of Mind,....Out of Sight

    Another low-rent X-files reject episode.  Not to say it wasn't overall enjoyable, it was still just kinda dumb, and unsubtly an obvious allegory:  Unpopular people feel invisible.  No shit.  And one of the more disappointing aspects of the episode was the fact that one of my favorite actresses, Clea Duvall, wasn't actually onscreen for most of the episode, using the same hackneyed method of portraying an invisible person: " Let's shoot the camera at fuckin' nothing while the actor reads his lines in ADR"  Also, at the end of the episode, Marcy is conscripted in a secret government agency (which could be The Initiative), but nothing is ever mentioned about it again, which kinda sucks.

  I enjoyed Cordelia's distilling of The Merchant of Venice's Shylock as being " self-involved and whiny.  Leave it to Cordy to cut through the bullshit and go right to the matter.  When she's not playing Queen Bitch, she's quite remarkable, and I enjoy that aspect of her character.  Thankfully, she'll play a larger part in the episodes to follow, especially in the next episode.....

  Overall, a watchable episode, but again, not exactly great, and other shows have done the concept better.

Tommorrow: Propechy Girl!  Please contain the Buffy-gasms 'till i post the review!!!!

Do you know how many letters the comic gets asking for Marcy to show up? She is an inexplicably popular character.

That's amused me. I did forget about her until Scott Allie brought light of the above to our attention in the "Slay the Critics" portion of a particular book in the Season Eight run. Tripe, did you by chance read #25 yet, and the seven-paragraph rant on the misuse of Xander in StC? It's entertaining.


Within the context of Joss' use of postmodernism throughout the entire fourth season, I can definitely see where Joss was going w/ it. However, "Restless" fell very, very flat for me and came across rather indulgent. Especially in wake of what precluded it w/ the ground-breaking "Hush", and the mind-blowing two-parter in "This Year's Girl"/"Who Are You?". "Hush" deserves all the accolades it does receive (I've been extolling it for some time), but philosophically speaking, TYG/WAY? is an absolute thrill-ride and then some. I'm looking forward to touching upon it when the time comes around. I always point to it to illustrate why Buffy is SO much more than meets the eye. It's genius.

"Restless", blah. I'll pass on the cheese.  ;)



See, people always latched onto the cheese guy and that damn cat.  Everything else going on was what made the episode for me.  Plus it has Riley's best moment in the series ever, as the cowboy in Death of A Salesman. 

Latched onto the Cheese Guy? It was just a mere reference if anything. And outside of his appearance to date in Season Eight and serving as a tool whereas Buffy could call him "Teutonic", I don't believe he has ever had a best moment.  :)

Title: Re: The Mega-Super-Ultra Buffy/Angel Episode Guide
Post by: Courtney on May 12, 2009, 09:06:32 AM

Within the context of Joss' use of postmodernism throughout the entire fourth season, I can definitely see where Joss was going w/ it. However, "Restless" fell very, very flat for me and came across rather indulgent. Especially in wake of what precluded it w/ the ground-breaking "Hush", and the mind-blowing two-parter in "This Year's Girl"/"Who Are You?". "Hush" deserves all the accolades it does receive (I've been extolling it for some time), but philosophically speaking, TYG/WAY? is an absolute thrill-ride and then some. I'm looking forward to touching upon it when the time comes around. I always point to it to illustrate why Buffy is SO much more than meets the eye. It's genius.

"Restless", blah. I'll pass on the cheese.  ;)



See, people always latched onto the cheese guy and that damn cat.  Everything else going on was what made the episode for me.  Plus it has Riley's best moment in the series ever, as the cowboy in Death of A Salesman. 


Cowboy Guy!  Seriously, the Death of a Salesman bit might be one of my top five favorite moments of the whole series.  Bless Marc Blucas's heart.  Riley sucked, but he seemed like an affable chap.

I love Restless. 
Title: Re: The Mega-Super-Ultra Buffy/Angel Episode Guide
Post by: TeamRAD on May 12, 2009, 09:22:30 AM

Within the context of Joss' use of postmodernism throughout the entire fourth season, I can definitely see where Joss was going w/ it. However, "Restless" fell very, very flat for me and came across rather indulgent. Especially in wake of what precluded it w/ the ground-breaking "Hush", and the mind-blowing two-parter in "This Year's Girl"/"Who Are You?". "Hush" deserves all the accolades it does receive (I've been extolling it for some time), but philosophically speaking, TYG/WAY? is an absolute thrill-ride and then some. I'm looking forward to touching upon it when the time comes around. I always point to it to illustrate why Buffy is SO much more than meets the eye. It's genius.

"Restless", blah. I'll pass on the cheese.  ;)



See, people always latched onto the cheese guy and that damn cat.  Everything else going on was what made the episode for me.  Plus it has Riley's best moment in the series ever, as the cowboy in Death of A Salesman. 


Cowboy Guy!  Seriously, the Death of a Salesman bit might be one of my top five favorite moments of the whole series.  Bless Marc Blucas's heart.  Riley sucked, but he seemed like an affable chap.

I love Restless. 

*shakes head*

You'll have to give me notice when your "Beer Bad" defense is coming so I can prepare some Jiffy Pop in advance.  ;)

Title: Re: The Mega-Super-Ultra Buffy/Angel Episode Guide
Post by: Courtney on May 12, 2009, 09:33:13 AM
Oh you just wait.  I'll defend it with my life.
Title: Re: The Mega-Super-Ultra Buffy/Angel Episode Guide
Post by: dignan on May 12, 2009, 09:57:29 AM

Latched onto the Cheese Guy? It was just a mere reference if anything. And outside of his appearance to date in Season Eight and serving as a tool whereas Buffy could call him "Teutonic", I don't believe he has ever had a best moment.  :)



Oh, I didn't mean you were latching onto the Cheese guy, I just meant that he gained this like, weird significance amongst fans for the rest of the show's run as a result, and it was a fascination I just never shared. 


Cowboy Guy!  Seriously, the Death of a Salesman bit might be one of my top five favorite moments of the whole series.  Bless Marc Blucas's heart.  Riley sucked, but he seemed like an affable chap.

I love Restless. 

"I'm looking for a man...a SALES man."

Also, I've got your back on Beer Bad, Court.  ;)
Title: Re: The Mega-Super-Ultra Buffy/Angel Episode Guide
Post by: TeamRAD on May 12, 2009, 10:09:21 AM

The one thing "Beer Bad" does have going for itself, it isn't Episode 610, "Wrecked"...Worst.Episode.Ever. "Beer Bad" is next in line.  :)

I loathe Marti Noxon so very much. The only weak link (I don't include Tracey Forbes b/c she only wrote three epis) in the TeamJoss chain.


Title: Re: The Mega-Super-Ultra Buffy/Angel Episode Guide
Post by: Courtney on May 12, 2009, 10:11:20 AM
"I'm looking for a man...a SALES man."


Men.  With your SALES.

And Anya doing standup?  GENIUS.  "Quiet.  You'll miss the humorous conclusion!"


The one thing "Beer Bad" does have going for itself, it isn't Episode 610, "Wrecked"...


I'll take that over "Where The Wild Things Are" any day.  Next to "I Robot" it's the worst.
Title: Re: The Mega-Super-Ultra Buffy/Angel Episode Guide
Post by: dignan on May 12, 2009, 10:20:47 AM

The one thing "Beer Bad" does have going for itself, it isn't Episode 610, "Wrecked"...Worst.Episode.Ever. "Beer Bad" is next in line.  :)

I loathe Marti Noxon so very much. The only weak link (I don't include Tracey Forbes b/c she only wrote three epis) in the TeamJoss chain.




Gotta agree with you on Wrecked...Buffy served up a few duffers in its day, but Wrecked is the only one that comes to mind that comes off as one giant unpleasant mess.  Then again, there are whole swaths of seasons 5, 6, and 7 that I could do without.  Heh.
Title: Re: The Mega-Super-Ultra Buffy/Angel Episode Guide
Post by: TeamRAD on May 12, 2009, 10:26:36 AM

The one thing "Beer Bad" does have going for itself, it isn't Episode 610, "Wrecked"...


I'll take that over "Where The Wild Things Are" any day.  Next to "I Robot" it's the worst.

The former is BAD, but I did reference Forbes so I'm good.  :)

My antipathy for 610 is the pathetic drug/magic allusion for which was too  "ABC Afterschool Special", was an insult to the characterization of Willow and the fans alike. The Sixth Season is nearly flawless in my eyes, but having that shoved down our collective throats was too much. Noxon and her trite drivel...gah!

"Wrecked" is the only episode I've only watched once.

Title: Re: The Mega-Super-Ultra Buffy/Angel Episode Guide
Post by: Courtney on May 12, 2009, 10:28:22 AM
Am I the only one who thinks Doublemeat Palace gets a bad rap?  I mean it's by no means a very good episode, but it's not the AIDS-cancer-dead-puppy people seem to think it is. 
Title: Re: The Mega-Super-Ultra Buffy/Angel Episode Guide
Post by: TeamRAD on May 12, 2009, 10:41:26 AM

It's a meat-process.

Outside of "Once More w/ Feeling" & "Tabula Rasa", it seems like Season Six has somehow earned a bad rap, period. I happen to really love the DMP. Not only was it a fun standalone episode, it was also able to sneak in an ember of arc-exposition, too.

That and Buffy's overtly adorable in the DMP uniform.

Title: Re: The Mega-Super-Ultra Buffy/Angel Episode Guide
Post by: dignan on May 12, 2009, 10:58:14 AM
Am I the only one who thinks Doublemeat Palace gets a bad rap?  I mean it's by no means a very good episode, but it's not the AIDS-cancer-dead-puppy people seem to think it is. 

I think Doublemeat Palace definitely gets a bad rap.  It would have been cooler in my opinion if the restaurant WAS actually evil, and not just some random old lady, but it's definitely not terrible.

I think Season 6 gets a bad rap because it really seemed to go out of its way to change everything about the characters that we knew.  That and the whole Willow storyline going from "Willow enjoys power and has been seduced by it" to "Magic is a drug!  Willow's a drug addict!" was a gigantic cop-out.  That and Buffy spent the whole season depressed and hating herself.  It makes for some unpleasant episodes.
Title: Re: The Mega-Super-Ultra Buffy/Angel Episode Guide
Post by: Tripe on May 12, 2009, 11:27:42 AM
Tripe, did you by chance read #25 yet, and the seven-paragraph rant on the misuse of Xander in StC? It's entertaining.

Oops yeah I meant to post about it in the books thread. I want a creepy little Dawnie Doll (somebody has got to have suggested making one)  :D
Title: Re: The Mega-Super-Ultra Buffy/Angel Episode Guide
Post by: Courtney on May 12, 2009, 11:32:17 AM
I think Season 6 gets a bad rap because it really seemed to go out of its way to change everything about the characters that we knew.  That and the whole Willow storyline going from "Willow enjoys power and has been seduced by it" to "Magic is a drug!  Willow's a drug addict!" was a gigantic cop-out.  That and Buffy spent the whole season depressed and hating herself.  It makes for some unpleasant episodes.

Plus Xander was fat.  Puffy Xander.
Title: Re: The Mega-Super-Ultra Buffy/Angel Episode Guide
Post by: TeamRAD on May 12, 2009, 11:37:55 AM
Am I the only one who thinks Doublemeat Palace gets a bad rap?  I mean it's by no means a very good episode, but it's not the AIDS-cancer-dead-puppy people seem to think it is. 

I think Doublemeat Palace definitely gets a bad rap.  It would have been cooler in my opinion if the restaurant WAS actually evil, and not just some random old lady, but it's definitely not terrible.

I was very satisfied w/ the whole Doublemeat Medley being composed of a vegetable process in the final act. That was hilarious.

Am I the only one who thinks Doublemeat Palace gets a bad rap?  I mean it's by no means a very good episode, but it's not the AIDS-cancer-dead-puppy people seem to think it is. 
I think Season 6 gets a bad rap because it really seemed to go out of its way to change everything about the characters that we knew. 

That's the brilliance behind the Sixth Season w/ the Big Bad being Life, itself. The Scoobies could destroy anything supernatural-speaking, but w/ the mundane dealings of real-life, they were atrocious. It still is tough watching Buffy, the character struggle throughout the season (I've wanted to jump into my monitor/television so many times to give her a hug), but I give the think-tank a massive amount of credit for the risk they took. Did it pay off? For me, in aces!

Tripe, did you by chance read #25 yet, and the seven-paragraph rant on the misuse of Xander in StC? It's entertaining.

Oops yeah I meant to post about it in the books thread. I want a creepy little Dawnie Doll (somebody has got to have suggested making one)  :D

I read it this morning and will post my thoughts later on in the thread. As always, most excellent, and if the Dawn-Doll ever becomes a product...I'm ordering one, immediately!

I think Season 6 gets a bad rap because it really seemed to go out of its way to change everything about the characters that we knew.  That and the whole Willow storyline going from "Willow enjoys power and has been seduced by it" to "Magic is a drug!  Willow's a drug addict!" was a gigantic cop-out.  That and Buffy spent the whole season depressed and hating herself.  It makes for some unpleasant episodes.

Plus Xander was fat.  Puffy Xander.

I'll stick to the metaphorical one in "I Was Made to Love You".   ;)

Title: Re: The Mega-Super-Ultra Buffy/Angel Episode Guide
Post by: Tripe on May 12, 2009, 11:40:12 AM
Speaking of the comic, any likelihood you'll do the episodes of season eight when the time comes Ortega?
Title: Re: The Mega-Super-Ultra Buffy/Angel Episode Guide
Post by: dignan on May 12, 2009, 01:56:35 PM
Am I the only one who thinks Doublemeat Palace gets a bad rap?  I mean it's by no means a very good episode, but it's not the AIDS-cancer-dead-puppy people seem to think it is. 

I think Doublemeat Palace definitely gets a bad rap.  It would have been cooler in my opinion if the restaurant WAS actually evil, and not just some random old lady, but it's definitely not terrible.

I was very satisfied w/ the whole Doublemeat Medley being composed of a vegetable process in the final act. That was hilarious.

Am I the only one who thinks Doublemeat Palace gets a bad rap?  I mean it's by no means a very good episode, but it's not the AIDS-cancer-dead-puppy people seem to think it is. 
I think Season 6 gets a bad rap because it really seemed to go out of its way to change everything about the characters that we knew. 

That's the brilliance behind the Sixth Season w/ the Big Bad being Life, itself. The Scoobies could destroy anything supernatural-speaking, but w/ the mundane dealings of real-life, they were atrocious. It still is tough watching Buffy, the character struggle throughout the season (I've wanted to jump into my monitor/television so many times to give her a hug), but I give the think-tank a massive amount of credit for the risk they took. Did it pay off? For me, in aces!


I get that, but for me, that's not why I watched Buffy the Vampire Slayer.  I didn't want to see Life as the Big Bad.  At least, not as it LITERALLY being the Big Bad when in previous seasons they had taken great pains to make the evils of the week and seasons already serve as metaphors for life.  Like, case in point:  the season 2 Buffy/Angel storyline playing out as a metaphor for the boyfriend who completely changes his personality after sleeping with her -- brilliant.  If Buffy had just dated a normal guy who did that (*coughPARKERcough*), it wouldn't have been remotely as interesting (although it did lead to the payoff of Cave-Buffy thumping him on the head with a club, so that redeemed it a bit).  Season 6 was lacking in a lot of the metaphors, and although I'd have to watch it again to be sure, I think season 5 was as well.  Moreover, it seems like with season 5, the show just decided to stop having FUN, which was what made the first four seasons of the show such a blast.  Ah well.       
Title: Re: The Mega-Super-Ultra Buffy/Angel Episode Guide
Post by: Courtney on May 12, 2009, 02:06:21 PM
All I know is that if they were going to work that hard to make life the big bad and ruin Willow's life by killing the person she loved most, maybe the least they could do is not give her a new girlfriend like thirteen episodes later.

Moreover, it seems like with season 5, the show just decided to stop having FUN, which was what made the first four seasons of the show such a blast.  Ah well.      

I agree.  And don't get me wrong, I like Season 6 quite a bit, but with the exception of the Trio, Season 6 was just not much in the way of glee or joy.  After Joyce got sick, fun just really stopped being had by all or any.  Season 7 picked it back up though. 
Title: Re: The Mega-Super-Ultra Buffy/Angel Episode Guide
Post by: TeamRAD on May 12, 2009, 02:13:28 PM

While I enjoy the fun-factor the series does represent in droves, it was how it placed my mind into overdrive once it got its feet firmly entrenched after "Becoming". There's been only one season that successfully pulled off both of those aspects, Season Three. Season Six was definitely way cerebral, but "Life Serial" still is the episode that makes me laugh harder than any other. I'll forever stand in defense of Season Six and its no frills approach. It was very refreshing.

All I know is that if they were going to work that hard to make life the big bad and ruin Willow's life by killing the person she loved most, maybe the least they could do is not give her a new girlfriend like thirteen episodes later.

Ahhh, you can thank your Season Seven for that! I'm telling you that season is awful!!   :D

Title: Re: The Mega-Super-Ultra Buffy/Angel Episode Guide
Post by: Tripe on May 12, 2009, 02:15:03 PM
I quite like Kennedy
Title: Re: The Mega-Super-Ultra Buffy/Angel Episode Guide
Post by: TeamRAD on May 12, 2009, 02:21:36 PM
I quite like Kennedy

:D

Well now she's cool, and has great taste in t-shirts.

So after Idol & Dollhouse tonight, I'm going to watch 112 in anticipation of Ortega doing the same at some time tonight/tomorrow.

After Joyce got sick, fun just really stopped being had by all or any.  Season 7 picked it back up though. 

I missed this the first time around, but where's the fun in Season 7 that was lacking in 6? Seven is so morose, and thankfully Buffy hasn't given any speeches yet in Season Eight.  :D

I couldn't take another speech from her in 7.

Title: Re: The Mega-Super-Ultra Buffy/Angel Episode Guide
Post by: Ortega on May 12, 2009, 04:43:39 PM
Hulu Episode Link

http://www.hulu.com/watch/99/buffy-the-vampire-slayer-prophecy-girl

Episode 112 - Prophecy Girl

   
    Holy fuckin' shit!  Now THAT is a Buffy episode!  Everything about it kicked ass.  Now, I've been in Xander's shoes.  I've pined after the close female friend.  Even mustered up the courage to ask her out, and like Xander, immediately plummeted to Earth.  Again, I never really enjoyed Xander's Buffy Fixation, and thankfully, this will be the last time it's so prominent.

    Here we can see the little seeds of Buffy's voluntary, and sometimes involuntary, rebellion on her Slayer destiny.  If not for her alliance with The Gang, she wouldn't have survived her encounter with The Master, and she would have been able to come back and kick ass.  And when she did confront the Master, it was excellent.  No more whining, just total Ass-Kicking.  Essentially, she's breaking every Slayer rule one by one, and the one she breaks is : "The Slayer fights alone"  She doesn't, and its what saves her.  I also enjoyed when Xander grows a sack and goes to Angel and tells him to man up and help save Buffy. 

    Overall, an excellent episode, and defintely a change for the direction and tone of the show.  From here on out, the low rent genre shit will be few and far between.  Defintely one to watch, and it effectively made me want to keep watching the show. 

OK......LET THE BUFFY-GASMS.............COMMENCE!!!!!!
Title: Re: The Mega-Super-Ultra Buffy/Angel Episode Guide
Post by: Tripe on May 12, 2009, 05:22:47 PM
I also enjoyed when Xander grows a sack and goes to Angel and tells him to man up and help save Buffy. 

The best Xander to Angel slapdown is still to come (two whole seasons to come in fact). :)
Title: Re: The Mega-Super-Ultra Buffy/Angel Episode Guide
Post by: TeamRAD on May 12, 2009, 05:35:25 PM
OK......LET THE BUFFY-GASMS.............COMMENCE!!!!!!

I'm gonna wait a day as I've blown my Buffy-wad already between this and the Season Eight thread today.  :D

Title: Re: The Mega-Super-Ultra Buffy/Angel Episode Guide
Post by: Bob on May 12, 2009, 05:52:11 PM
I've been sitting by and watching this thread and not commenting until now.

When the show was on TV, I never watched during the first 5 years as all I really knew about the show as "the movie it was based on was bad, it had a horrible name, and was on a low rent network".    One day, I was sick on the day after Thanksgiving and a channel had a Buffy Marathon showing a bunch of episodes back to back to back.   I was hooked at once.    I rented season one on Netflix, liked it so much, I got the DVDs and gradually caught up midway through season six when I could start watching it live.   It was TORTURE to wait an entire week between episodes.   

Also missed the first two seasons of Angel for the same reason, then I caught up.

When both shows went off the air, a total TV void was created for me that really has not filled in yet.

I remember some lame article that some family watch dog group named Buffy the most "unfriendly to family" shows and I about lost it.    If anything, this entire show is ALL about friends and family and how important they are.

I have all the seasons of Buffy and Angel at home and I watch them quite often.

I was VERY thrilled when I noticed last week the TNT had the series finale of Angel, followed by the first episode back to back at like 6am.

I will take a bad Angel/Buffy episode over a good episode of almost any other show.

Like a wiseman once said, "I've always wanted to slay a dragon".
Title: Re: The Mega-Super-Ultra Buffy/Angel Episode Guide
Post by: gbeenie on May 12, 2009, 06:20:29 PM
Like a wiseman once said, "I've always wanted to slay a dragon".

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Title: Re: The Mega-Super-Ultra Buffy/Angel Episode Guide
Post by: Bob on May 12, 2009, 06:46:13 PM
If only I had a clue who the hell that was, I am sure I would be chortling.
Title: Re: The Mega-Super-Ultra Buffy/Angel Episode Guide
Post by: dignan on May 13, 2009, 05:14:57 AM
Hulu Episode Link

http://www.hulu.com/watch/99/buffy-the-vampire-slayer-prophecy-girl

Episode 112 - Prophecy Girl

   
    Holy fuckin' shit!  Now THAT is a Buffy episode!  Everything about it kicked ass.  Now, I've been in Xander's shoes.  I've pined after the close female friend.  Even mustered up the courage to ask her out, and like Xander, immediately plummeted to Earth.  Again, I never really enjoyed Xander's Buffy Fixation, and thankfully, this will be the last time it's so prominent.

    Here we can see the little seeds of Buffy's voluntary, and sometimes involuntary, rebellion on her Slayer destiny.  If not for her alliance with The Gang, she wouldn't have survived her encounter with The Master, and she would have been able to come back and kick ass.  And when she did confront the Master, it was excellent.  No more whining, just total Ass-Kicking.  Essentially, she's breaking every Slayer rule one by one, and the one she breaks is : "The Slayer fights alone"  She doesn't, and its what saves her.  I also enjoyed when Xander grows a sack and goes to Angel and tells him to man up and help save Buffy. 

    Overall, an excellent episode, and defintely a change for the direction and tone of the show.  From here on out, the low rent genre shit will be few and far between.  Defintely one to watch, and it effectively made me want to keep watching the show. 

OK......LET THE BUFFY-GASMS.............COMMENCE!!!!!!

Far and away the best episode of season 1 in my opinion (although I have to admit to disagreeing with you about The Pack -- that's a far better [and waaaaay more condensed] depiction of junkies than anything associated with Willow's season 6 storyline--which is one of my other season 1 fav's).  It nicely lays the groundwork for season 2, they actually deliver on the promise that Buffy will die (even if it is only for about four minutes), and we get Xander's line "the dead rose, there should have at least been an assembly!"  Love it.  Also, I can't wait to discuss When She Was Bad.  Hehe.
Title: Re: The Mega-Super-Ultra Buffy/Angel Episode Guide
Post by: dignan on May 13, 2009, 05:16:33 AM

While I enjoy the fun-factor the series does represent in droves, it was how it placed my mind into overdrive once it got its feet firmly entrenched after "Becoming". There's been only one season that successfully pulled off both of those aspects, Season Three. Season Six was definitely way cerebral, but "Life Serial" still is the episode that makes me laugh harder than any other. I'll forever stand in defense of Season Six and its no frills approach. It was very refreshing.

All I know is that if they were going to work that hard to make life the big bad and ruin Willow's life by killing the person she loved most, maybe the least they could do is not give her a new girlfriend like thirteen episodes later.

Ahhh, you can thank your Season Seven for that! I'm telling you that season is awful!!   :D



Definitely agree with you about season 3.  :)
Title: Re: The Mega-Super-Ultra Buffy/Angel Episode Guide
Post by: anais.jude on May 13, 2009, 06:14:08 AM
Buffy -Gasms indeed! I agree with everything Dignan and Ortega have said. Amazing Episode that really showed how human Buffy is! When SMG says "I don't want to die" I feel in love with the show right then
Title: Re: The Mega-Super-Ultra Buffy/Angel Episode Guide
Post by: Drusilla on May 13, 2009, 08:11:26 AM
Phrophecy Girl really set the stage for the second and third season. We already knew that Buffy was a rule breaker, but this episode really hit that point home. And like anything else that Joss does we know that there will be consequences for Buffy's death.
This episode also brought the rest of the gang together in a big way, even Cordy, which was a shock to me the first time I saw this ep. At this point I was already hooked on buffy, the first two eps did it for me, and I always loved vampire stories.
Can't wait for season 2 :)
Title: Re: The Mega-Super-Ultra Buffy/Angel Episode Guide
Post by: dignan on May 13, 2009, 08:47:12 AM
Oh, almost forgot, Jenny Calendar was hot. 
Title: Re: The Mega-Super-Ultra Buffy/Angel Episode Guide
Post by: TeamRAD on May 13, 2009, 10:10:52 AM
Oh, almost forgot, Jenny Calendar was hot. 

"How come she's  in the club?"

:D

dig and Dru summarized PG very well.  The conclusion of the episode was a little less than desirable for me, but the episode became the definitive game changer, of a handful, for the series. Moreover, my most memorable moments came w/ Buffy quitting and then returning to her duty after the Sunnydale massacre, setting forth her dynamic moral compass (it's so awesome) into motion, and the series begun to explore the fundamental question of ethics, who's happier...the just or unjust person? And by god, did they ever explore it!

This was that episode, and it always makes me feel warm & fuzzy. The start of it all.  :)

Title: Re: The Mega-Super-Ultra Buffy/Angel Episode Guide
Post by: dignan on May 13, 2009, 11:14:13 AM
Prophecy Girl might  have been the first episode to primarily utilize Christophe Beck's score instead of the cheesy synth stuff most of the first season used, too. 
Title: Re: The Mega-Super-Ultra Buffy/Angel Episode Guide
Post by: ebeth on May 13, 2009, 02:47:34 PM
I'm going to just come out and say it, I really loved the sixth season.  I liked the fact that it was sad and depressing and real (well, for the most part).  I loved the evil trio, I loved Smashed & Older and Faraway (I kinda got a mutant crush on Clem) and I really liked it when Anya became a demon again.

Great season and I will fist fight people who wrong it...well, maybe I'll just extend my middle finger and bid you good day.
Title: Re: The Mega-Super-Ultra Buffy/Angel Episode Guide
Post by: TeamRAD on May 13, 2009, 04:00:34 PM
I'm going to just come out and say it, I really loved the sixth season. 

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Title: Re: The Mega-Super-Ultra Buffy/Angel Episode Guide
Post by: Ortega on May 13, 2009, 04:02:43 PM
OK....can we put a capper on the later seasons till we get there?  I'll wait a day to see if anyone else has anything they'd like to add on Season 1 in general, then it's on to Season 2!
Title: Re: The Mega-Super-Ultra Buffy/Angel Episode Guide
Post by: dignan on May 13, 2009, 04:36:19 PM
no promises.  lol
Title: Re: The Mega-Super-Ultra Buffy/Angel Episode Guide
Post by: Bob on May 13, 2009, 04:49:42 PM
no promises.  lol

Not with an active hell mouth nearby...... we cannot promise anything.
Title: Re: The Mega-Super-Ultra Buffy/Angel Episode Guide
Post by: ebeth on May 14, 2009, 03:01:15 PM
OK....can we put a capper on the later seasons till we get there?  I'll wait a day to see if anyone else has anything they'd like to add on Season 1 in general, then it's on to Season 2!

I'll try to be good, really I will but, forgive me for blowing a wad all over my Buffy-gasm
Title: Re: The Mega-Super-Ultra Buffy/Angel Episode Guide
Post by: Drusilla on May 14, 2009, 09:55:56 PM
OK....can we put a capper on the later seasons till we get there?  I'll wait a day to see if anyone else has anything they'd like to add on Season 1 in general, then it's on to Season 2!

I'll just add that looking back season 1 was kind of cheesey, but it was enough to get me hooked, at that point there was really nothing else like it on TV, and (aside from Angel) Joss has continued his origiality streak.
Title: Re: The Mega-Super-Ultra Buffy/Angel Episode Guide
Post by: dignan on May 16, 2009, 06:46:56 AM
Ok, I won't talk about season 6 anymore until we get to season 6.  :)
Title: Re: The Mega-Super-Ultra Buffy/Angel Episode Guide
Post by: TeamRAD on May 18, 2009, 12:52:42 PM

So can we touch on "School Hard"/"Halloween"/"Lie to Me"/"When She Was Bad", and then skip over to "Innocence"?

:)

Title: Re: The Mega-Super-Ultra Buffy/Angel Episode Guide
Post by: dignan on May 20, 2009, 12:07:47 PM
I'm curious, why in that order?
Title: Re: The Mega-Super-Ultra Buffy/Angel Episode Guide
Post by: TeamRAD on May 21, 2009, 05:42:46 AM

Oh, I was just being silly and arbitrarily placed them in that order.

:)

Nonetheless, "School Hard" may very well be my favorite episode from S2. It all depends on my mood.

Title: Re: The Mega-Super-Ultra Buffy/Angel Episode Guide
Post by: dignan on May 21, 2009, 12:06:02 PM
It was funny, I saw School Hard before When She Was Bad, and for a while thought School Hard was the season 2 premiere.  I had that issue for the first two seasons apparently.  Haha. 
Title: Re: The Mega-Super-Ultra Buffy/Angel Episode Guide
Post by: Ortega on May 21, 2009, 01:28:48 PM
FYI.  Tonight begins season 2....

and sorry, TeamRAD, i'm not going to skip to innocence.....you must suffer in silence :D
Title: Re: The Mega-Super-Ultra Buffy/Angel Episode Guide
Post by: gbeenie on May 21, 2009, 05:46:57 PM
Silence? Yeah, I'll take that bet.  :)
Title: Re: The Mega-Super-Ultra Buffy/Angel Episode Guide
Post by: Ortega on May 21, 2009, 09:43:33 PM
Hulu Episode Link

http://www.hulu.com/watch/14659/buffy-the-vampire-slayer-when-she-was-bad

Episode 201 -  When She Was Bad

           BAH!  That's all i have to say about this episode.  I agree on dignan's assessment that this isn't really a good season starter, much less after the kick-ass Season 1 finale.  Yeah, Buffy.....i get it.  You almost died.  That's no reason to shove shit in your friends faces.  That WEIRD scene in the Bronze when she danced with Xander, only to flaunt it in his face:  Geez.  What a bitch.  If you didn't save the world that much, i could see hating you.  Anyway, the annoying toddler vampire kid,( who apparently opened up his new " My First Evil Minions" Playset), interrupts this episode of Dawson's Creek to try and revive The Master by using his bones.   Thankfully, Buffy stops whining and moaning enough to Slay some vamp ass.  And i love the scene where she sticks the crucifix down the vamp lady's throat...nice. 

   Overall, a semi-decent episode, but one that's a chore to get through.  It's like a Tootsie Pop, instead of candy wrapped around chocolate, it's like bad teen drama wrapped around some cool Slayer action. 

  AND, one last little thing............WHAT the fuck was the deal with the music at the end?!!!!

http://www.divshare.com/flash/playlist?myId=7453565-bc3

  It was like some weird-ass church music, or something you'd hear in a instructional video.  It was just weird and jarring.......
Title: Re: The Mega-Super-Ultra Buffy/Angel Episode Guide
Post by: dignan on May 22, 2009, 05:19:56 AM
But no, I think it's a great season opener!  Well, kind of no.  Half-no, half-yes.  There are a lot of interesting dynamics at work here, and I give Joss credit for attempting to deal with the repercussions of Buffy having died, and how that would have an effect on her personality.  I like how this episode is where we start to see the difference between what a Slayer is "supposed" to be (i.e., alone), and what Buffy is (Slayer with support network of friends and teammates).  And while it's not easy to watch Buffy become alienating, cruel, and Cordelia-like, the journey she makes over the course of the episode is eventually as cathartic for me as a viewer as it is for her.  Best moment, in my opinion:  the look on Buffy's face when Xander says "If they hurt Willow, I'll kill you."
Title: Re: The Mega-Super-Ultra Buffy/Angel Episode Guide
Post by: TeamRAD on May 25, 2009, 02:15:07 AM
AND, one last little thing............WHAT the fuck was the deal with the music at the end?!!!!

:D

Yeah, that was a smidgen on the odd side of things. It's something I'd imagine to be used in 7th Heaven.

But no, I think it's a great season opener!  Well, kind of no.  Half-no, half-yes.  There are a lot of interesting dynamics at work here, and I give Joss credit for attempting to deal with the repercussions of Buffy having died, and how that would have an effect on her personality. 

I know this episode isn't too popular in the fandom w/ Buffy being a total-bizznatch and all. Yet again, this episode, in particular, exemplified why this wasn't/isn't your everyday piece of mythos at work here in regards to how Joss skewed the positive aesthetics of the titular character. By tapping into her dark-side a bit, it was yet another extension on why the character is so beloved by me, Buffy, the character, is one-of-us. It was a bold move by Joss, and I have forever believed this episode is paramount within the wide scope of the series w/ the groundwork it laid out for my hero's journey...Joseph Campbell, eat your flippin' heart out.

The perfect complement for "Prophecy Girl", and now bring on "School Hard". I'll have to reiterate from what I said in an earlier post, forget the whole mood thing, "School Hard" IS the episode for me in this season. I cannot wait to talk about it next week!

"Lie to Me" is really good, though.  :)

Title: Re: The Mega-Super-Ultra Buffy/Angel Episode Guide
Post by: dignan on May 25, 2009, 04:42:12 AM
Well, don't forget Some Assembly Required.  Hehe.
Title: Re: The Mega-Super-Ultra Buffy/Angel Episode Guide
Post by: Courtney on June 21, 2009, 02:48:08 PM
For some reason, Buffy always had somewhat weak season openers.  When She Was Bad, Anne's pretty weak in my opinion (though maybe I just missed the Scoobies), Freshmen isn't great, and the Dracula one is only saved by Xander.  I do like Bargaining and Lessons though.
Title: Re: The Mega-Super-Ultra Buffy/Angel Episode Guide
Post by: TeamRAD on June 21, 2009, 06:04:38 PM

I disagree, Court.

Excluding the pilot, I think they're all pretty stellar, sans "Lessons". I've already touched on my adoration for "WSWB". "Anne" is fantastic. It served as a litmus test as of where Buffy was to date, and her Slayer strength aside, there isn't anything typical residing in her. I enjoyed the fact she was running away from Fate, but wasn't skewing responsibility w/ the supporting of herself. The demon dimension she found herself in was a wonderful stroke of genius as it was basically a metaphor of where Buffy's mind was, and accepting the notion the Slayer is a part of her identity. Much like "WSWB", but even more so, the episode is very important in the scope of the entire series, and established just how amazing Buffy, the character, all-around is.

"The Freshman" is cool, in my opinion, because of the establishing shot of Sunnydale U's library, and Buffy's reaction to it. S4 is definitely the surrealist season of the Eight, and the the expansive library was a gesture to the viewer that your brain is about to be blown away. And for the most part, it did just that. At face value, the episode does come across somewhat stale, but beneath the scenes...the gears were already beginning to spin.

"Buffy Vs. Dracula" is hilarious, and it not only, of course, established Drac into the Buffyverse, but the Xander/Drac dynamic for which is used to many chagrins in Season Eight. Not only that, Giles being seduced and groped by the Three Sisters is a classic Giles moment in the Series. A very solid episode.

"Bargaining" is amazing. That's how you bring someone back from the dead. That and you're really beginning to gather a firm glimpse of the metaphysical soul Spike was beginning to develop w/ this line delivered to Dawn...

"I'm not leaving you to get hurt. Not again."

I really, really, really wish Joss didn't ensoul Spike as all the pieces were there for him to again, metaphysically build one, for which would've been otherworldly, and dwarf Angel...ten-fold. Unfortunately, I feel Joss and Co. took the easy route w/ Spike.

"Lessons", no good. :)

I enjoy the season openers...very, very much.

Title: Re: The Mega-Super-Ultra Buffy/Angel Episode Guide
Post by: Ortega on June 21, 2009, 06:11:58 PM
I really, really, really wish Joss didn't ensoul Spike as all the pieces were there for him to again, metaphysically build one, for which would've been otherworldly, and dwarf Angel...ten-fold. Unfortunately, I feel Joss and Co. took the easy route w/ Spike.

i'd have to disagree with you there.  While he was ensouled using a spell, he actually had to fight for it.  He wanted it, he desired it.  And that's something Angel never did.  Angel really didn't become Angel until he suffered having a soul for a century.  Which is why i enjoyed their right in the fifth season.

Glad you posted becuase i forgot about keeping up with this thread. 202 review forthcoming.....

Title: Re: The Mega-Super-Ultra Buffy/Angel Episode Guide
Post by: TeamRAD on June 21, 2009, 06:30:22 PM

No arguing from me on the desiring/fighting for it, but my point is I believe it would've been much more poignant if Spike hadn't reattained one, literally. Everyone acclimated w/ the Buffyverse knows the soul is the moral compass of it, and the mere thought of a vampire developing something of that stature on a metaphysical level would be astounding to work with, and add a complexity to the 'verse that can really only be challenged by Harth in Fray. I just happen to believe it was a wasted opportunity, and the way they handled it clashed w/ me in a deus ex machina kind of way.  :)

Title: Re: The Mega-Super-Ultra Buffy/Angel Episode Guide
Post by: Tripe on June 22, 2009, 05:25:51 AM
You mean have Spike self actualize not have a soul installed/reinstalled.

Yeah I would have preferred that; he knows what he wants to do but does the right thing instead.
Title: Re: The Mega-Super-Ultra Buffy/Angel Episode Guide
Post by: pezdrake on June 22, 2009, 05:45:42 AM
You mean have Spike self actualize not have a soul installed/reinstalled.

Yeah I would have preferred that; he knows what he wants to do but does the right thing instead.

But at that point the Jossverse had established such an importance attached to having a soul (pretty much the basis for the wholeAngel TV series) that they couldn't then just say "you can work through it".
Title: Re: The Mega-Super-Ultra Buffy/Angel Episode Guide
Post by: Tripe on June 22, 2009, 05:49:00 AM
Well for Angel that's true, but not so for all the characters.

Title: Re: The Mega-Super-Ultra Buffy/Angel Episode Guide
Post by: dignan on June 22, 2009, 07:37:52 AM
For some reason, Buffy always had somewhat weak season openers.  When She Was Bad, Anne's pretty weak in my opinion (though maybe I just missed the Scoobies), Freshmen isn't great, and the Dracula one is only saved by Xander.  I do like Bargaining and Lessons though.

I agree with you, Court.  I think my issue with the season openers is that they ALL are about taking Buffy and putting her in a place where she's feeling fish-out-of-watery.  It's a formula that for me had serious diminishing returns.  Welcome To The Hellmouth/The Harvest is good (although horribly dated now by most of the episodes that followed it), When She Was Bad is uncomfortable but decent, Anne is pretty weak, The Freshman is meh, Dracula...ugh.  Bargaining at least has Buffy dead at the beginning of it, so that's a different kind of fish-out-of-water scenario.  And Lessons at least didn't have Buffy in her mopey "Oh poor me I'm not dead anymore" mode, but I can't really say I'm a huge fan of either episode.   
Title: Re: The Mega-Super-Ultra Buffy/Angel Episode Guide
Post by: TeamRAD on June 22, 2009, 09:25:24 AM
You mean have Spike self actualize not have a soul installed/reinstalled.

Yes, yes. :)

Now that would've provided some inner-conflict I would be fascinated by w/ Spike fighting the endless struggle w/ his true nature and becoming an anomaly Angel could only dream of. I'm still somewhat vexed Joss didn't go into that direction. I blame Marti Noxon!

But I still have Harth...even though he's kind of a pussy. :)

Title: Re: The Mega-Super-Ultra Buffy/Angel Episode Guide
Post by: Courtney on June 22, 2009, 09:35:54 AM
I blame Marti Noxon!

The rally cry of all Buffy fans!
Title: Re: The Mega-Super-Ultra Buffy/Angel Episode Guide
Post by: dignan on June 22, 2009, 11:55:16 AM
I blame Marni Nixon too!
Title: Re: The Mega-Super-Ultra Buffy/Angel Episode Guide
Post by: gbeenie on June 22, 2009, 04:52:57 PM

"Buffy Vs. Dracula" is hilarious, and it not only, of course, established Drac into the Buffyverse, but the Xander/Drac dynamic for which is used to many chagrins in Season Eight.


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Heh.
Title: Re: The Mega-Super-Ultra Buffy/Angel Episode Guide
Post by: gbeenie on June 22, 2009, 04:56:10 PM
I blame Marni Nixon too!

Just you wait, dignan...
Title: Re: The Mega-Super-Ultra Buffy/Angel Episode Guide
Post by: TeamRAD on June 24, 2009, 04:43:12 AM

"Buffy Vs. Dracula" is hilarious, and it not only, of course, established Drac into the Buffyverse, but the Xander/Drac dynamic for which is used to many chagrins in Season Eight.


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Heh.

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;)

I, for one, loved the whimsy of "Wolves at the Gate".
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There isn't anything but love, for the arc, from me.  :)

Title: Re: The Mega-Super-Ultra Buffy/Angel Episode Guide
Post by: Tripe on June 24, 2009, 05:12:37 AM
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Title: Re: The Mega-Super-Ultra Buffy/Angel Episode Guide
Post by: Ortega on July 01, 2009, 01:17:32 AM
Hulu Episode Link:
http://www.hulu.com/watch/14642/buffy-the-vampire-slayer-some-assembly-required

Episode 202 - Some Assembly Required

  Can someone say : "Completely Obvious Frankenstein Allusion"?

Seriously, coming off the heels of a half-way decent episode, we're treated to a three-course helping of shit.  And not just regular shit.  No.   Low-grade X-files-type-story-shit.  This is something that i halfway remember from that shitty Nightmare on Elm Street series.  Its THAT kinda bad.  And the eird kid with the camera at the beginning, was like 10 kinds of creepy with the singing.  Plus, the plotline of the epiosde is kinda weak.  Teenager revives his brother, then proceeds to create a "Bride of Frankenquarterback"( see what i did there).  And what did Creepy Kid hope to gain from the plan?  Was he gonna get busy with a patchwork woman, while Zombie quaterback with retard strength is in the wings?  The questions are endless.  One question really comes to mind:  WHY THE FUCK DID THIS SCRIPT GET GREENLIT??!!!!

  The only saving grace for the episode was the general back and forth between the gang, and seeing Giles's befuddled attempts at courting Miss Calendar.

Overall, skip this horrible shit-filled episode.  Thankfully, the next one is worth waiting for.
Title: Re: The Mega-Super-Ultra Buffy/Angel Episode Guide
Post by: dignan on July 03, 2009, 02:13:21 PM
Some Assembly Required feels like a holdover from Season 1 to me.  That said, it's...I don't know..."quaint"?  It's certainly not an episode I'd choose to watch most of the time, but I suppose it has a low-key charm.  It's good to see Cordelia and Angel get some screentime together (though what is UP with Angel's jacket?), and Xander cracks me up.  But yeah, it seems like season 2 doesn't really get all its engines up and running until the next episode.
Title: Re: The Mega-Super-Ultra Buffy/Angel Episode Guide
Post by: Ortega on July 03, 2009, 11:28:04 PM
http://www.hulu.com/watch/14658/buffy-the-vampire-slayer-school-hard

Episode 203 - School Hard

Now we're talking.   Right from the get-go, this episode rocks.  If i even have to say it, it marks the introduction of Spike, who has probably one of the coolest star intros ever, with the running over of the Sunnydale sign, taking a drag off a cigarette.  Definitely more anarchistic than the vampire villians we've been exposed to.  I'm kinda indifferent towards Drusilla.  For the most part , she kind annoys me, but is defintely the yin to Spike's yang, the Nancy to his Sid( yeah, like that wasn't too subtle).  Overall, they were more enjoyable as villians than the over-pompous, verbose Master.

   The gang's back-and-forth is really enjoyable, especially Buffy & Willow's anger at Xander's jinxing of the coming day.  And i was rolling on the floor when Buffy sent Xander to go fetch his stake, and his rummaging through her purse, at first finding a yo-yo, the finding a tampon, and his mini-freak-out was hilarious.  Its little throwaway jokes like this that make this series so enjoyable.  And even though its schmaltzy, i love Joyce's hero moment near the end.  Slowly we'll see Joyce become a more fleshed-out character, and not just another authority figure Buffy must hide her secret from, which will make the fifth season that much more harder to get through.
Title: Re: The Mega-Super-Ultra Buffy/Angel Episode Guide
Post by: dignan on July 06, 2009, 12:19:00 PM
"It's a gang...on PCP."
Title: Re: The Mega-Super-Ultra Buffy/Angel Episode Guide
Post by: anais.jude on July 06, 2009, 03:12:09 PM
I completely agree about Spike. As the series goes on, even with his so-called wuss moments, I've always thought of him as one of the better characters
Title: Re: The Mega-Super-Ultra Buffy/Angel Episode Guide
Post by: Courtney on July 06, 2009, 03:24:22 PM
I even like wussy Spike.  I know I'm in the minority, but some of my favorite Spike moments are when he's living with Xander, and I LOVED when he was crazy in Season Sev... dammit, sorry Ortega, I started flashing forward again.
Title: Re: The Mega-Super-Ultra Buffy/Angel Episode Guide
Post by: anais.jude on July 06, 2009, 03:58:32 PM
cause the last line in his review for school hard wasn't flashing forward...I kid, i kid.
Title: Re: The Mega-Super-Ultra Buffy/Angel Episode Guide
Post by: Ortega on July 06, 2009, 04:29:20 PM
ha,ha

  A  little call-backs here and there to later seasons are cool, especially since most people here probably have seen these episodes more than i have,  i just don't want 2 page long conversations about season 6 during season 3, if you get my drift.
Title: Re: The Mega-Super-Ultra Buffy/Angel Episode Guide
Post by: anais.jude on July 06, 2009, 04:30:04 PM
you're tearing me apart Ortega!
Title: Re: The Mega-Super-Ultra Buffy/Angel Episode Guide
Post by: dignan on July 06, 2009, 04:36:05 PM
Oh, to get to my opinion on School Hard:  just a fantastic episode.  One of my all-time favorite Xanderisms, "While I whittle, I'll whistle a jaunty tune."  And Cordelia and Willow trapped in the bathroom together....genius.
Title: Re: The Mega-Super-Ultra Buffy/Angel Episode Guide
Post by: TeamRAD on July 07, 2009, 06:07:11 AM
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:)

As for School Hard, this episode is near perfect (Joss dropped the ball w/ Spike addressing Angelus as his Yoda, in this episode, while later in Season 5 unveiling it to be Dru). You've the introduction of Spike & Dru, the emergence of the Buffy/Joyce dynamic in a big-way, Angel organically playing an important role in an episode, a fun dig at Anne Rice, and the viewer begins to feel Snyder knows more than he's letting onto. Then there's this important line of dialogue from Spike:

"A Slayer with family and friends. That sure as hell wasn't in the brochure."

Hence why she's the best-of-the-best and an absolute force to be reckon with. Also, too think of the fun when Kendra comes to Sunnydale.

A perfect "10" from me, my favorite episode from Season 2.  :)

Title: Re: The Mega-Super-Ultra Buffy/Angel Episode Guide
Post by: Tripe on July 07, 2009, 05:04:15 PM
Yeah School Hard is ace, it has one of my favourite Spike bits, the "Vampire Woodstock" speech. :)
Title: Re: The Mega-Super-Ultra Buffy/Angel Episode Guide
Post by: TeamRAD on July 07, 2009, 06:39:47 PM

The "Vampire Woodstock" bit is mint, and I forgot to mention it in my last post but massive props to Whedon/Greenwalt for somehow managing to subtly shroud Buffy's slayer duty from Joyce in School Hard. I didn't think it was remotely possible given the situation, but they managed to pull it off.

This is as good as it gets even w/ the continuity snafu I mentioned above. I'll probably check out now until Season 3 rolls around.  :)

Title: Re: The Mega-Super-Ultra Buffy/Angel Episode Guide
Post by: Ortega on September 23, 2009, 10:35:37 PM
Sorry for the delay.  I recently had to move, and after three years of living in my previous location, it was an ordeal that severely limited my online time.  But never fear, the guide that most will never read will continue. 

Hulu Episode Link:

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Episode 204 - Inca Mummy Girl

    Fair episode.  Not the greatest premise, adding "The Mummy" to the list of horror tropes that Whedon tries to tackle.  While not asinine as some of the earlier Season 1 episodes, this still feels a bit hokey.  Still, it was a good episode for Xander to shine, where he's given a romantic interest where,  at least initially, she isn't trying to eat him or sacrifice him.  Here we see the embryonic stages of the Willow/Oz relationship, which is good, because out of all the couplings on the show, it was the least troublesome.  I did get a kick out of the gang commenting on the disappearance of one of the students from the exhibit, joking about the mummy reviving, and attacking the kid, only to slowly make a "Oh, shit!"-face, and go rushing back to the exhibit.  Even though the episode's plot is a bit weak, the actors involved help push along an otherwise unimpressive episode.

Title: Re: The Mega-Super-Ultra Buffy/Angel Episode Guide
Post by: dignan on September 24, 2009, 02:57:30 PM
I have to say, SMG looks pretty freaking awesome in the library scene in this episode. 
Title: Re: The Mega-Super-Ultra Buffy/Angel Episode Guide
Post by: Tripe on September 24, 2009, 07:00:32 PM
The Inca mummy girl, when not in demon form isn't too shabby herself.

(http://www.acclaimtalent.com/html/celi_a/images/celi_a1.jpg)
Title: Re: The Mega-Super-Ultra Buffy/Angel Episode Guide
Post by: dignan on September 24, 2009, 07:06:48 PM
Wasn't this also one of the first episodes (aside from the unaired pilot) to feature Jonathan?  I always had a soft spot for this episode.  Sven cracks me up.
Title: Re: The Mega-Super-Ultra Buffy/Angel Episode Guide
Post by: Ortega on August 19, 2010, 05:25:52 AM
ALL HAIL the Necro Thread!!!

Sorry for abandoning the thread, as i've tried to take a break from the forum and RiffTrax in general.  But the episode guide saunters on!!

Episode 205 -  Reptile Boy

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  Another fair to mediocre episode, very much in the X-files monster type thing that categorizes Season 2.  And it might be just me, but the whole "dating college guys" thing seemed pretty creepy to me.  I wouldnt trust any 18-19 year old who would want to "date" a 15 year old, for any reason.  We're subjected to more Whiny Buffy here, and surprise, surprise: Cordy is still the two-dimensional bitch she started as.  This episode is one of a number of standalone episodes that dosent add to the series, and doesnt impress much by itself.  I'd say skip it, and you'd be missing nothing.
Title: Re: The Mega-Super-Ultra Buffy/Angel Episode Guide
Post by: anais.butterfly on January 16, 2014, 04:14:05 PM
Yea yea, this topic has not been posted in for over blah blah days.


I want to talk about Buffy. I have seen some discussion on other threads, but they were not Buffy threads.

So, I am rewatching the series again. I want to write a paper about trauma/recovery and season 6 (because that is how nerdy I am). Anyway, so I am on season 2, Inca Mummy Girl. I loved rewatching Prophecy Girl and When She was Bad (Season 1/2). The feelings and emotions displayed are going to be explored in so much more depth in season 6.


Title: Re: The Mega-Super-Ultra Buffy/Angel Episode Guide
Post by: anais.butterfly on January 16, 2014, 04:16:12 PM
Sorry for the delay.  I recently had to move, and after three years of living in my previous location, it was an ordeal that severely limited my online time.  But never fear, the guide that most will never read will continue. 

Hulu Episode Link:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Episode 204 - Inca Mummy Girl

    Fair episode.  Not the greatest premise, adding "The Mummy" to the list of horror tropes that Whedon tries to tackle.  While not asinine as some of the earlier Season 1 episodes, this still feels a bit hokey.  Still, it was a good episode for Xander to shine, where he's given a romantic interest where,  at least initially, she isn't trying to eat him or sacrifice him.  Here we see the embryonic stages of the Willow/Oz relationship, which is good, because out of all the couplings on the show, it was the least troublesome.  I did get a kick out of the gang commenting on the disappearance of one of the students from the exhibit, joking about the mummy reviving, and attacking the kid, only to slowly make a "Oh, shit!"-face, and go rushing back to the exhibit.  Even though the episode's plot is a bit weak, the actors involved help push along an otherwise unimpressive episode.

I would like to add that when Xander choses Willow over the hot chick, it really makes the ending of Season 6 more wonderful :)
Title: Re: The Mega-Super-Ultra Buffy/Angel Episode Guide
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on January 16, 2014, 05:55:42 PM
Over the last year I've re-watched most of both series but I skipped a bunch of the early ones, 204 must have been one of them, I'll have to check it out and look for that moment.

When the show aired I watched it up until the middle of season 6 when I gave up, and only watched some of Angel.  Now I've re-watched the last 3rd of season 6 and most of season 7 a few times.  And have watched all of Angel at least once.  That episode when Spike comes to get the magic ring is funny as hell at the beginning, when he is riffing on Angel while watching him from a distance.  That is probably the best of the crossover shows.

Title: Re: The Mega-Super-Ultra Buffy/Angel Episode Guide
Post by: anais.butterfly on January 16, 2014, 06:18:00 PM
yea, I recently re-watched my fave moments (so, all the season finales and all of season 5 and 6) and now I am going to rewatch everything. Buffy, Angel, and Firefly (just for the hell of it).
Title: Re: The Mega-Super-Ultra Buffy/Angel Episode Guide
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on January 16, 2014, 06:30:20 PM
I'm kind of glad I didn't watch season 7 when it aired, because marathoning through it on Netflix may have improved it, I suspect week long breaks would have killed the impact a bit. 

Just talking about it makes me want to re-watch that season again, Netflix really makes it too easy to do stuff like that, I've got a lot of shows on DVD/BD and don't marathon them like I do on Netflix.

I keep meaning to watch Firefly again, I upgraded my DVDs to Blu-Ray a long time ago but haven't watched them yet...
Title: Re: The Mega-Super-Ultra Buffy/Angel Episode Guide
Post by: LucasM on January 19, 2014, 09:07:13 PM
I want to write a paper about trauma/recovery and season 6 (because that is how nerdy I am).

I would be very interested in reading it if you ever do this.  Season 6's 'search for meaning' (especially the musical episode) helped me tremendously in processing and dealing with my accidents/losses from the third head injury.  [Season 5's 'The Body' also did a great deal with the losses.]
Title: Re: The Mega-Super-Ultra Buffy/Angel Episode Guide
Post by: Ortega on February 28, 2014, 08:43:13 PM
Saw this thread pop up on the unread topics.  Anyone interested in me re-re-resurrecting this?  I seems alot of forum regs who where Buffy-fans have seem to have left this forum , myself spending less and less.  Is this an idea whose time has passed or should i continue reviewing?
Title: Re: The Mega-Super-Ultra Buffy/Angel Episode Guide
Post by: Sideswipe on March 01, 2014, 08:41:54 AM
Holy shit, Ortega is back!