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Title: Your Fantasy Novel Hit-List
Post by: Fuzzy Necromancer on February 25, 2009, 04:50:32 PM
It's very popular. It's a trend that's sweeping a nation. There are people who obsess over it and see it as a rich allegory for their life, name cats and offspring after it's characters, etc. There's a movie in the works, and it crowds the bookshelves everywhere. You've browsed it, scrolled up a summary, or even read it.

You HATE this fantasy novel/series.

Maybe you once enjoyed it, then took a long good look at it and realized it made you want to hurl, like somebody waking up after a drunken fling to discover their bedroom has three unattractive strangers and a goat. Maybe all your friends love it, and you can't see what the big deal is. Maybe the author's message goes against all you love and hold dear.

Whatever the reason, you can't stand it. You'd like the author to get staked through the heart or turned into a pack of squirrels, assuming you wouldn't prefer they just outright never existed.

Who's on your Fantasy Series Hit-list? You can also mention a single or handful of works if a complete hitlist would be too exhaustive.
Title: Re: Your Fantasy Novel Hit-List
Post by: mrbasehart on February 25, 2009, 05:10:39 PM
I'm terribly worried that George Martin is going to completely screw up TSoFaI series.  Apparently there's only two books left in the series, but I can't see anyway of him finishing it properly by then (especially as the 6th book tells the 5th from a different viewpoint). 
Title: Re: Your Fantasy Novel Hit-List
Post by: ImOscardotcom on February 25, 2009, 05:26:11 PM
I'm terribly worried that George Martin is going to completely screw up TSoFaI series.  Apparently there's only two books left in the series, but I can't see anyway of him finishing it properly by then (especially as the 6th book tells the 5th from a different viewpoint). 

Speaking of which, have you seen this yet? (http://grrm.livejournal.com/74995.html)
Title: Re: Your Fantasy Novel Hit-List
Post by: SJP on February 25, 2009, 05:28:16 PM
Two words: Piers...Anthony.  I would say 'Xanth Series,' but I think my disgust goes well beyond those books.

I friend of mine said I should read the first book in the Xanth series.  Being young, naive, and having just become friends with this guy, I figured why not.  I read it, somewhat enjoyed it, then kept going with them.  In fact, I ended up reading quite a bit of Piers Anthony.

It wasn't until I found out the next book in the series I was supposed to read was, "The Color of Her Panties."  Something definitely did not sound right about that.  And then I read "Firefly."

I was done with him right then and there.  I realized, flat out, that the man was just a maladjusted perv who needed some serious counseling.

If you've never read the book, Firefly has nothing to do with Joss Whedon.  It is essentially the story of an unknown entity that is killing people, leaving their skeletons behind.  Sound interesting?  Turns out the monster is actually a gelatinous blob that releases pheromones that cause its victims their sex desires to go into hyperdrive.  It then pretty much rapes them to death.

I am not kidding.  It rapes them to death.  Throw in a subplot about a simple, impotent groundskeeper and a nymphomaniac who tells stories about how she willingly walked across the street as a child to have sex with a child molester, and you've got a complete and total mess on your hands.  It's like Patton Oswalt's rountine about "Death Bed: The Bed That Eats," only serious.

Piers Anthony seems like a pretty notable weirdo, though.  He wrote another book that focused on a character who was diabetic, and he wrote a chapter at the end of the book saying how he made the character diabetic because he had been (erroneously, it turned out) diagnosed with Type II Diabetes.  Not so bad, but then he wrote another book about a left-handed character, with another epilogue stating all these facts about left-handed people more likely to die in car accidents than right-handed people.

I'm left-handed.  I'm still alive.  Case closed.
Title: Re: Your Fantasy Novel Hit-List
Post by: mrbasehart on February 25, 2009, 05:31:01 PM
I'm terribly worried that George Martin is going to completely screw up TSoFaI series.  Apparently there's only two books left in the series, but I can't see anyway of him finishing it properly by then (especially as the 6th book tells the 5th from a different viewpoint). 

Speaking of which, have you seen this yet? (http://grrm.livejournal.com/74995.html)

Honestly, I don't mind if he takes his time to write the books (besides, I don't think he needs another person pressuring him to finish) as long as they're finished in a way that seems complete. 

There's another series that went on too long: The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy.  Seriously, after the first two... call it a day Doug! :)
Title: Re: Your Fantasy Novel Hit-List
Post by: Fuzzy Necromancer on February 25, 2009, 06:15:13 PM
Xanth is not on my hit-list, but that's probably because I've never had the poor fortune to read a Peirs Anthony novel.

The Mythadventures series, of which I've only read "Another Fine Myth," would go into my hit-list, albeit probably in the lower half. The plot is mediocre, but what really bugs me are the characters. Everything about them that is supposed to be quirky and humorous, I find nerve-gratingly irritating. Because the comedic aspect is the primary redeeming trait to our cast of morally gray main characters, I have no emotional investment, and just wish they'd get sat on by a giant frog or eaten by Ann Coulter or something. This goes double for Green Fanservice chick. I also find Istvan a pretty pathetic villain, as all of his menace comes from informed ability and off-screen deeds of evil.

The upper echelons of my list are reserved for works I find philosophically offensive AND badly written.

The Muchly All-Women-Want-To-Be-Slaves-and-it-is-a-Crime-Against-Nature-to-Suggest-Otherwise Gunless Meathead Philibuster of Gor, by John Norman, gets an honorary mention. I have fortunately never read these works. The only contact with them has been reviews, wiki articles, the fanservice-filled Outlaw of Gor film on MST3K (which apparently toned down the source materials sexist overtones) and the adroit parody-fic "Houseplants of Gor." That said, I must include it because of the sheer zenith this work has achieved in the realm of popular awfulness. Ignore the inept prose and fondness for "muchly." The author goes beyond the realm of traditional sword-and-sorcery fanservice, author interest, and bondage setups, and puts forth the ideology that all men really want to own property, all women really want to be owned and treated like crap, and the world would be perfect if everyone lived by this. It's one thing to say "this is my kink, and I'm writing about it." It's another to say "this is the law of the universe, and everybody who says their not into it is in denial, and you're ruining our utopia by wanting consensual sex."
The worst kind of badness comes not from porny fanservice, nor from long-winded preachyness, but the union of the two.
Title: Re: Your Fantasy Novel Hit-List
Post by: SJP on February 25, 2009, 06:34:16 PM
I've heard of Gor, but never read any of them.  I would make a joke that Piers Anthony sounds like "Gor-Lite," but he's not into ownership.  He's more like that guy with the video camera from "Drop Dead Gorgeous."  "What?  Oh, this?  I just keep this in the glove compartment for insurance."

To be honest, other than Xanth and Lord of the Rings, the only real fantasy series I've read is the first half of "The Chronicles of Thomas Covenant, the Unbeliever."  I can't really say I hate it, but I can't really say I like it, either.  It is interesting in the fact that Tom himself is a leper from the 'real world' who can't believe in the wonderful, magical world he occasionally finds himself in, because to believe in it would make him forget about his very real and life-threatening condition, which would kill him.  This is the interesting part.  The part that sucks is that he travels all over the place constantly whining and complaining everywhere he goes.  "Look, here's our wonderful fields, where wonderful things happen!  And here's some nice food to eat!"  "YOU JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW AWFUL LIFE IS!  BOO HOO HOO HOO!"  Just take the food and enjoy yourself for twenty minutes, already.

The weirdest thing is, I don't even really like most fantasy as a genre, but I like writing it.
Title: Re: Your Fantasy Novel Hit-List
Post by: Fuzzy Necromancer on February 25, 2009, 07:01:24 PM
I don't think that's too weird. I think a lot of the fantasy market is flooded with uninspired tripe, and somebody who really sees the potential of the genre is upset by that.

Or I could just be glorifying our pickyness. >.>

I tried to start one of the Thomas Covenant novels, but I didn't get past "previously, on Doorstopper Fantasy Series." The part where it mentioned he raped the young girl who tried to befriend him killed my interest.
Title: Re: Your Fantasy Novel Hit-List
Post by: SJP on February 25, 2009, 07:53:50 PM
Yes, there is that.  Stephen Donaldson went far out of his way to ensure Thomas was as lovable as possible.
Title: Re: Your Fantasy Novel Hit-List
Post by: Fuzzy Necromancer on February 25, 2009, 08:52:09 PM


The top of my list would have to be Terry Goodkind's Sword of Truth series. The plot itself starts out just mediocre, but things quickly get, um, dubious.

One of the reasons is bitter revenge. I eagerly consumed these doorstoppers all the way up to The Pillars of Faith (or was it the Faith of the Fallen?) before tossing it down in disgust, letting the cliffhanger ending hang, and saying "never again." Or more precisely "why did I READ this gremplork?"

My feelings towards this series combine a bit of a disillusioned ex discovering how they were used, somebody  seeing who's in bed with them after a night of drunken romance, and Jim Gaffigan after consuming hotpockets.

The characters are sock-puppets. Their meant to be cute and quirky, but they drop all pretense at depth or authenticity when its time to act as bullhorns for the author’s propaganda, or be stupid enough to drive the plot, or turn into Strawman figures for a viewpoint the author disapproves of.
The protagonist is a mathematically certified Mary Sue (Gary Stu, Marty Sue, whatever the male equivalent is.) The Mary Sue test has 100+ as its highest indicator of sue-ousity. He scored something like 125. He also has that beloved plot device, “intuitive magic,” a vast well of magical power that can do amazing things but only when required by his “instincts”, IE, when the plot demands it, whatever the plot demands.
My biggest issue, however, is the messages it conveys, and the sheer level of moral dissonance. In one book, the Big Bad Evil Guy will show how evil he is by committing some depraved and horrible. The next book, the protagonist does the same evil thing, only now it’s right, and good, and anybody who suggests it’s evil is really evil or a coward or dangerously misguided, because now the protagonist is doing it, so that makes it okay.
Philosophically, this takes Rand’s Objectivism, and then ads various “virtues” and “moral tenants” apparently lifted from the self-justification speech of a golden age comic book villain. Apaprently, torture is morally acceptable and genocide is the only responsible way to deal with intercultural conflicts. Also, there’s nothing odd about espousing how people should choose for themselves, be independent badasses, and value free will while trying to take over the world with your authoritarian regime and having subjects worship you several times a day. Also did I mention, near the end of the series, spoiler warning, he cuts down a mass of “evil” nonviolent peace protesters?
The author is good at what he does. He keeps the plot moving fast enough to slide squickier parts past your notice, throws in some concepts that will interest the audience, and gets you to sympathize with the protag’s cause until the fridge logic kicks in. That’s what makes it all the more awful for me.

Finally, there is the author himself. The About the Author blurbs have a curious witness-protection program sparseness about them, and if memory serves he has an opening dedication to the CIA. The dodgey, evil-sounding philosophy, combined with his shroud of mystery, make me wonder if he’s some kind of insectoid alien or demon seeking to subvert and corrupt humanity for its own dark purposes.
Title: Re: Your Fantasy Novel Hit-List
Post by: mrbasehart on February 25, 2009, 09:11:34 PM
And he can't write dialogue for shit.  :)
Title: Re: Your Fantasy Novel Hit-List
Post by: Fuzzy Necromancer on February 25, 2009, 09:45:46 PM
"You're a <positive adjective> man, Richard."
Title: Re: Your Fantasy Novel Hit-List
Post by: SJP on February 28, 2009, 03:15:38 PM
I love Adams.  All of them as well.  A shame he died before he could finish "The Salmon of Doubt."  Yes, it was supposed to be a Dirk Gently, but I thought it said in that book somewhere he was considering making it the sixth Hitchhiker book, since it was headed in that direction anyway.  And though it technically isn't fantasy except for maybe the fourth book, I would say it is certainly one of the most quotable sci-fi/fantasy series of all time.  I still love "They hung in the air in exactly the same way that bricks don't."

And as for Donaldson...I may have just been caught up in the moment.  I started reading the second trilogy, where the blind guy gives Thomas a stern talking to, but I guess the problem I have with the first trilogy of books is the same problem I have with a lot of fantasy books in general.  The reason why I don't read a lot of them is just that the authors get caught up in a lot of traveling almost for the sake of traveling.  "We have to get to Mount Evilgod before it's too late!"  "Mount Evilgod?  But that's nearly twenty-seven parsecs away!"  "That's as may be, but we have to go anyway, and the best way to do it is to follow the most dangerous path along the most winding rivers...because the enemy won't expect it!"  "But sir, enemy patrols have been in that area for months now!"  "Then send the short fellow who has never done this before along with that renegade nobody can fully trust, because the oracle said they are the most likely to succeed!"

That, or the deposed royalty tries to take back the throne in a seven-part epic.  I know half the fun is in the journey, but not when the journey takes seven years to read.

That might explain why I like Terry Pratchett so much.  His stories are very self-contained, funny as crap, and satirically relevant.  I'm sure somebody out there has the Discworld on their hit list, but it ain't on mine.
Title: Re: Your Fantasy Novel Hit-List
Post by: Jinto on February 28, 2009, 06:14:54 PM
I think we can say antipathy for Piers Anthony is universal. Forget Xanth for a moment, the Incarnations of Immortallity series went downhill faster than a major rollercoaster's first drop, hit rock bottom, and never went uphill again.
Title: Re: Your Fantasy Novel Hit-List
Post by: Fuzzy Necromancer on February 28, 2009, 06:15:15 PM
Oh, I love Donaldson. Yeah, his Covenant raped a girl. I was going to defend in the story why he did this, but I realized I don't care at all whether or not any of you like Covenant.   Meh. Lots of characters murder and steal, and that's ok, but raping a girl isn't, gotcha.


No, it's not.

I ask you to familiarize yourself with the TVTrope Term "Moral Event Horizon."

He rapes the girl after he finds out the earth magic has cured his impotence. It's like somebody being offered a drink from the chalice of life and responding by pissing into it.

Theft is not as bad as rape. MURDER isn't as bad as rape. Killing somebody can sometimes be justified. Rape has no justification, no possible value for the greater good. It is pure, platonic evil. It's also not something I want to read a description of in any detail. Throw all the veins gushing like crimson fountains and messy brain-squashing you want, but spare me the fine details of a rape scene.

There are just certain things a protagonist can do that makes it impossible for me, as a reader, to care about him in any positive way, or to desire anything other than his painful and permanent death, possibly with a nasty afterlife. Once a character steps over this line, he is beyond redemption, and I have no wish to hear his story.

Thomas Covenant is just such a character.

You can get away with plenty of shit and still be "morally grey," but rape is utter, midnight-colored evil to the core. The only possible reason for reading about his exploits is to find out what vital organs the victim and/or her family fried and ate.
Title: Re: Your Fantasy Novel Hit-List
Post by: Fuzzy Necromancer on February 28, 2009, 06:18:48 PM
No, you won't justify it to me, but you will make a snarky comment implying I'm a hypocrite, vis a vis, "So stealing and murder is okay, but raping a girl isn't. Right."

This is a thread for hate, so I'm going to go fix myself a mayonaise, tomato, and whiny flat-earth-atheist leprous rapist sandwich.
Title: Re: Your Fantasy Novel Hit-List
Post by: Fuzzy Necromancer on February 28, 2009, 06:48:13 PM
Who are you and what have you done with the cantankerous but lovable Imrahil we all know and love?
Title: Re: Your Fantasy Novel Hit-List
Post by: Jinto on February 28, 2009, 10:34:49 PM
Another thread derailed into petty bickering, but this time by Imrahil? Did Isaac piss in the water supply or something before got booted?

I think there's enough negativity on the internet without wallowing in more.

I'm curious where you get off saying that as tho you're mr. happy sunshine.
Title: Re: Your Fantasy Novel Hit-List
Post by: SaucyRossy on February 28, 2009, 10:36:28 PM
MEH.
Title: Re: Your Fantasy Novel Hit-List
Post by: RaYzor on February 28, 2009, 10:37:40 PM
I do not know what you are all talking about but I will interject this:

Commies use i(insert crap product)

I do not like commies.

I also have CB in my car, and I like steak.
Title: Re: Your Fantasy Novel Hit-List
Post by: ImOscardotcom on February 28, 2009, 10:43:05 PM
MEH.

For those wondering what this is about:

http://forum.rifftrax.com/index.php/topic,13137.0.html
Title: Re: Your Fantasy Novel Hit-List
Post by: Jinto on February 28, 2009, 10:57:00 PM
I do not know what you are all talking about but I will interject this:

Commies use i(insert crap product)

I do not like commies.

I also have CB in my car, and I like steak.

Ray, why are you bothering to post your random nonsense in this thread? The closest you get to literature is the simple fact that you yourself are an 'open book' on all your political and social views. :P
Title: Re: Your Fantasy Novel Hit-List
Post by: AmandaGal on February 28, 2009, 10:57:18 PM
I do not know what you are all talking about but I will interject this:

Commies use i(insert crap product)

I do not like commies.

I also have CB in my car, and I like steak.

I have no CB. I hate steak and I own an iPhone.  MEH!
Title: Re: Your Fantasy Novel Hit-List
Post by: SaucyRossy on February 28, 2009, 10:58:40 PM
Amanda i'll make you a fake steak dinner if you agree to a date.



/we have hijacked thread.
Title: Re: Your Fantasy Novel Hit-List
Post by: AmandaGal on February 28, 2009, 10:59:29 PM
[deletes the pervy thing she was going to post about Saucy's "steak"]
Title: Re: Your Fantasy Novel Hit-List
Post by: SaucyRossy on February 28, 2009, 11:02:31 PM
just the mere implication will allow my imagination to think of so many things you could of said.
Title: Re: Your Fantasy Novel Hit-List
Post by: AmandaGal on February 28, 2009, 11:03:05 PM
The words "overcooked" and "gamey" were in there...just so you know.  :D

I take it back. I don't mean to break your heartballs again.
Title: Re: Your Fantasy Novel Hit-List
Post by: SaucyRossy on February 28, 2009, 11:09:47 PM
you are the owner of my lonely heartballs.
Title: Re: Your Fantasy Novel Hit-List
Post by: AmandaGal on February 28, 2009, 11:19:06 PM
Better than the owner of broken heartballs I guess.
Title: Re: Your Fantasy Novel Hit-List
Post by: Fuzzy Necromancer on March 01, 2009, 08:24:00 AM
...um, can you guys please stop hijacking my thread? ;-;


On Topic: Terry Goodkind really sucks. Also, his name itself gives further evidence that he is soem form of malevolent supernatural being. It tries too hard to sound non-threatening, like the appelation given to the Furies, "The Kindly Ones," calling elves the "Gentry" or "Fair Folk", calling goblins "The Good Folk," etc. It's about as subtle as the metalunan "After dinner I'm going to shove my ovipositer down your throat and lay eggs in your chest, but I'm certainly not an alien!"
Title: Re: Your Fantasy Novel Hit-List
Post by: Jinto on March 01, 2009, 08:42:48 AM
I started Wizards First Rule and found it fairly lame and didn't finish it (a rare thing for me actually, as I usually hate not knowing how things turn out anyway whether it's bad or good). Other than that I haven't tried any Terry Goodkind literature, but I'll say it's overrated at least.

Terry Brooks' Shannara series was the same for me. I read book 1 and that was it... highly overrated, bland, simplistic writing with no depth at all. Bleh.
Title: Re: Your Fantasy Novel Hit-List
Post by: Fuzzy Necromancer on March 01, 2009, 03:22:43 PM
I think I got through one of those, or half of one, or one and a half. I know I gave up on the series. It just wasn't enough to keep me engaged. Very mediocre.
Title: Re: Your Fantasy Novel Hit-List
Post by: bratpop on March 08, 2009, 09:41:17 AM
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I tried to start one of the Thomas Covenant novels, but I didn't get past "previously, on Doorstopper Fantasy Series." The part where it mentioned he raped the young girl who tried to befriend him killed my interest.
Well, mistake number one: starting the Doorstopper Fantasy Series on a number other than one.

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He rapes the girl after he finds out the earth magic has cured his impotence.
He also didn't believe any of it was actually happening to him, and he was more overwhelmed than making a choice. It is not SUPPOSED to be likeable, but since you are in Covenant's head for all of the first series (part of why I didn't like the second series as much), you have to just deal with it as he deals with it. It's one of the many parts of his life which is painstakingly written to be utter shit. It's one of the aspects of the books that makes them so brilliant. Because he is the absolute, single least likely hero in all of fiction. It's exactly what makes it more than a Lord of the Rings ripoff. (It goes beyond: "The hero is short.") It's something he deals with throughout the entire series. And it was clearly written with the utmost awareness of how vile an act it was despite the lack of fine details or evil intent. It's not like a "hey, rapists aren't all bad" message. It's more of a "shit happens" twist on fantasy. It says, however cool you thought the book was until now, it is not your father's fairy tale. You DON'T want to keep reading after that, but you DO, because you can't believe a book would let that happen. And you know that is some unique writing. And you want to see how that is dealt with. And eventually you realize that there's nothing he can do about it, nothing you can do about it, and no forgiving it. And then you're distracted by the hundreds of obscure terms for landscapes that Donaldson uses, and the fact that Covenant keeps a magic ring under a fruit roll-up on his chest. And if you're lucky, you realize that it's NOT okay, but it's OKAY for things not to be okay all the time. And God made America and free speech so we could write books that don't do the right thing. And that God also has stinky hobo breath. And since we DIDN'T rape anybody, we live happily ever after instead of the characters. And that's much better than a happy ending.

But if you willingly jumped into a fantasy series with phonebook-sized volumes about a hero with leprosy, you didn't WANT a conventional story, did you?

So there.
Title: Re: Your Fantasy Novel Hit-List
Post by: Fuzzy Necromancer on March 08, 2009, 08:00:21 PM
Well, I won't keep reading, because I am fully aware of the things a fantasy novel can allow to happen. I've been burned a lot. I can't UNREAD things. I have to spend the rest of the life with those in my head. There is no mental ipecac.

I have no moral obligation to read stuff just because it makes me want to retch.

LIfe is too short. If the first book sucks, and starting on a book other than the first one is a mistake, then the author can just live without my patronage. I'm sure he'll survive.

The fact that he is acknowledged as a total jerk doesn't change that he's a jerk I have no desire to read about. So what if it's something that hasn't been done before? Nobody has ever tried to make a bird crap and gel-ignite omellette before, but I'd rather not eat one if served it.
Title: Re: Your Fantasy Novel Hit-List
Post by: bratpop on March 09, 2009, 07:18:08 PM
I don't remember anyone saying the first book sucks. But hey whatever. Ignorance is bliss. Then again, the picture in your head is worse than anything you'd want to "unread" so you might as well just read it.
Title: Re: Your Fantasy Novel Hit-List
Post by: Fuzzy Necromancer on March 09, 2009, 10:25:59 PM
I'm sorry I misinterpreted you.

Just because I choose not to read stuff that has unlikeable, repulsive main characters with improbably extreme degrees of mindless skepticism and a nausea-inducingly gritty "realistic" plot, that doesn't make me stupid. I have plenty of other books I'd much rather read.
Title: Re: Your Fantasy Novel Hit-List
Post by: AmazingThor on March 31, 2009, 02:44:52 PM
Fantasy hit list: I gave up on Terry Goodkind around the third Sword of Truth book (like the TV series though). What finally did me in was the blatant misogyny. I mean, I like to objectify women and all, but this was ridiculous. The main girl, Kahlan, is about to be gang-raped in a dank prison and she thinks that if he boyfriend could do it, then so could she. But the thing is that her boyfriend wasn't gang raped. He had hot bondage sex with a sexy dominatrix. Instead of thinking "I can't believe my boyfriend cheated on me and yet I'm the one who gets prison raped", she thinks, "Oh this won't be as bad as that time my boyfriend totally got it on with all those leather-clad chicks" So I don't see how vioilent prison rape could possibly be compared to hot S&M action. Pissed me off and I stopped reading.

The next is Piers Anthony. I read one book by him and I wanted to punch him in the face. Tip: everyone hates puns. Basing an entire muli-volume fantasy series based solely on puns is not a good idea.

I'd also throw Terry Brooks on there but not with as much hate. I just found his first series (Shanara something or another) to be a dull, step by step Tolkien rip off.

After that I don't suppose I've read anything that just turned me sour, but I have read a lot of dull, cliched stuff.

Title: Re: Your Fantasy Novel Hit-List
Post by: AmazingThor on March 31, 2009, 02:48:52 PM
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I tried to start one of the Thomas Covenant novels, but I didn't get past "previously, on Doorstopper Fantasy Series." The part where it mentioned he raped the young girl who tried to befriend him killed my interest.
Well, mistake number one: starting the Doorstopper Fantasy Series on a number other than one.
Actually, that does happen in the first book of his Thomas Covenant series. I did the same thing. I loved his very first chapter where the guy is walking in to town and you found out in the end he has leprosy. Awesomely written first chapter. Then the second chapter he rapes the first girl he sees. I read halfway into the third chapter but when the girls mom comes along and instead of setting fire to his penis she gives him food and supplies and basically says "it's cool that you raped our daughter, she's probably fine anyway" I threw the book away.
Title: Re: Your Fantasy Novel Hit-List
Post by: AmazingThor on March 31, 2009, 02:49:30 PM
I don't hate puns.
Then you are not human. You must be some kind of robot/demon hybrid.  >:D
Title: Re: Your Fantasy Novel Hit-List
Post by: bratpop on March 31, 2009, 05:07:43 PM
If you don't keep reading the series to the part where he meets his rape-daughter in the future and goes skinny dipping with her and she makes him feel awkward by wanting to bone him, then you just aren't living life. Plus the second book has a blind military general.
Title: Re: Your Fantasy Novel Hit-List
Post by: AmazingThor on April 01, 2009, 01:36:04 PM
If you don't keep reading the series to the part where he meets his rape-daughter in the future and goes skinny dipping with her and she makes him feel awkward by wanting to bone him, then you just aren't living life. Plus the second book has a blind military general.

And the Ravers. And the Bloodguard. It's just tragically delicious.
My problem wasn't so much the rape (I'm a GRRM fan, after all) but how her family reacted to it. I just don't see her parents not reacting with more hate/violence toward Thomas. It was too jarring for me so I quit at that point.



But I refuse to budge on my opinion of Piers Anthony :) I have the same feelings about puns as Mike's older brother Eddie. Tell 'em what Eddie says about puns, Servo.

"To jam them up my-"

Exactly.
Title: Re: Your Fantasy Novel Hit-List
Post by: Fuzzy Necromancer on April 01, 2009, 01:48:31 PM
That does sound rather inauthentic as far as character behavior goes.

If there's anything worse than a protagonist you can't sympathize or connect with, its one that still gets treated like a god by everyone else. (Bella Swan anyone?)
Title: Re: Your Fantasy Novel Hit-List
Post by: bratpop on April 02, 2009, 02:44:04 AM
Just read the damn books before we kill you.
Title: Re: Your Fantasy Novel Hit-List
Post by: Nekrose on June 08, 2009, 07:42:54 AM
Just read the damn books before we kill rape you.