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Title: What Killed Nickelodeon's "SNICK" for You?
Post by: TMC1982 on January 31, 2009, 06:29:36 PM
SNICK (http://"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SNICK") for those who don't recall, was the Saturday night block on Nickelodeon spanning from 1992-2004. It was a key component in what I would otherwise consider to be the "glory days"/golden age of Nickelodeon. SNICK (http://"http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SNICK_Tribute_Page/?yguid=201668823") went hand and hand with TGIF on ABC (both were essentially, weekend appointment TV if you were a kid growing up in the '90s).

SNICK had shows such as (but not limited to) "Clarissa Explains it All", "Roundhouse", "Ren & Stimpy", "Are You Afraid of the Dark", "The Secret World of Alex Mack", "All That", "Space Cases", "The 100 Deeds of Eddie McDowd", "KaBlam!", "The Journey of Allen Strange", "Kenan & Kel", "The Mystery Files of Shelby Woo", etc.

To me, SNICK started to go downhill when they got rid of the big orange couch (which around June of 1999). Believe it or not, the orange couch was the heart and soul of SNICK (and helped create SNICK's identity in the first place).

Another thing that hurt the block in my estimation was when Nickelodeon started to drift away from the formula (besides the couch getting tossed aside). SNICK worked best when the block was made up of one live-action sitcom (e.g. "Clarissia..." and "Kenan & Kel"), one Nicktoon (e.g. "Ren & Stimpy" and "Rugrats"), one musical-comedy-variety show (e.g. "Roundhouse" and "All That"), and one wild card show (e.g. "Alex Mack", Space Cases", "Allen Strange", "Eddie McDowd", etc.).

Things were only made worst, when Nickelodeon tried to take SNICK into a completely different direction, with the "SNICK House" concept (with Nick Cannon as the host). It seemed like Nickelodeon was trying to copy what MTV was doing at the time with "Total Request Live". What people seemed to forget was that the shows themselves are what made SNICK not celebrity guests or music videos.

By the time that the SNICK House had run its course around the summer of 2001, it seemed apparent that Nickelodeon wasn't really trying anymore. There were basically, throwing shows around at random, with the SNICK name attached. At this point, they were using "elevator music" in the background with still photos and "talking bubbles" of the various SNICK stars.

By the fall of 2002, SNICK introduced a segment called "The On Air Dare", in which the cast of "All That" would perform acts that resembled does seen on "Fear Factor". Once again (as with the case with the SNICK House), Nickelodeon seemed to be throwing stuff in the air to see if they would stick (instead of simply following the tried and true formula and essence of SNICK in the past).

By the fall of 2004, Nick got rid of SNICK completely in favor of a second night of their TEENick block (which with in itself, resembles the SNICK House concept). The problem that I have with TEENick (not just because, the purist in me wishes that Nickelodeon had kept a hold of the SNICK brand) is that a lot of the shows on their schedule are already overexposed (like "iCarly" and "Drake & Josh" for example). Nickelodeon's programming has become awfully homogenized by this time (virtually every note worthy live-action show has to be a tween-oritened sitcom, like those on the Disney Channel at the moment).
Title: Re: What Killed Nickelodeon's "SNICK" for You?
Post by: RVR II on January 31, 2009, 06:32:22 PM
The End of Ren & Stimpy ended my days with SNICK..
Title: Re: What Killed Nickelodeon's "SNICK" for You?
Post by: pstokely on January 31, 2009, 06:33:52 PM
Puberty (mine)
Title: Re: What Killed Nickelodeon's "SNICK" for You?
Post by: Dankbuds on January 31, 2009, 06:37:52 PM
Apparently I gave up before "Snick" even started

When I out grew
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Title: Re: What Killed Nickelodeon's "SNICK" for You?
Post by: RVR II on January 31, 2009, 06:45:15 PM
When I out grew
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Title: Re: What Killed Nickelodeon's "SNICK" for You?
Post by: bratpop on January 31, 2009, 10:54:23 PM
Never heard of it.

I'm going to have togo with "What is puberty?," Alex.
Title: Re: What Killed Nickelodeon's "SNICK" for You?
Post by: SaucyRossy on January 31, 2009, 10:57:48 PM
That's a good question Bratpop have you gone through that yet? Would explain a lot about you.
Title: Re: What Killed Nickelodeon's "SNICK" for You?
Post by: bratpop on January 31, 2009, 10:59:03 PM
LOL! I'd slap my knees, but I don't have any yet since I'm still a tadpole.
Title: Re: What Killed Nickelodeon's "SNICK" for You?
Post by: gojikranz on February 01, 2009, 02:58:37 AM
when the original cast of all that was changed it all came crashing down plus i grew up
Title: Re: What Killed Nickelodeon's "SNICK" for You?
Post by: RoninFox on February 01, 2009, 07:03:27 AM
For me the entire reason to watch was Roundhouse and Ren and Stimpy.  Roundhouse didn't last forever, and there's only so many re-runs and hiatuses a kid can take before giving up on Ren.
Title: Re: What Killed Nickelodeon's "SNICK" for You?
Post by: Thrifty on February 01, 2009, 12:02:33 PM
Nickelodeon, like Saturday morning cartoons, never got any worse.  It's just that children's programming doesn't appeal to you when you're not a kid any more.

It's not a bug, it's a feature.
Title: Re: What Killed Nickelodeon's "SNICK" for You?
Post by: bratpop on February 01, 2009, 06:59:36 PM
Not true. TV is more shit now. The only Japanese cartoon on when I was a kid was Belle & Sebastian. And that's half French.
Title: Re: What Killed Nickelodeon's "SNICK" for You?
Post by: kodiakthejuggler on February 01, 2009, 07:15:42 PM
The End of Ren & Stimpy ended my days with SNICK..

The firing of Jon Krickfalusi ended Ren and Stimpy. That is all that matters.
Title: Re: What Killed Nickelodeon's "SNICK" for You?
Post by: kodiakthejuggler on February 01, 2009, 07:21:19 PM
The End of Ren & Stimpy ended my days with SNICK..

The firing of Jon Krickfalusi ended Ren and Stimpy. That is all that matters.

 :clap: You got that right... after he left the episodes were garbage...  :clap:

While there were some hidden gems within the crap that was Ren and Stimpy post-Jon K., they just lost so much life that the show couldn't be redeemed and the plug had to be pulled. No one likes life as a vegetable.
Title: Re: What Killed Nickelodeon's "SNICK" for You?
Post by: bratpop on February 01, 2009, 07:25:43 PM
Sorry, but the John K getting fired argument when down the toilet when he brought the show back on Spike TV and made Ren & Stimpy have gay sexual intercourse without any ambiguity. It's like saying Return of the Jedi would have been better if George Lucas directed it... and then seeing Jar-Jar. John K is worse than Hitler. He literally raped beloved cartoon character. Not figuratively. Literally. He literally raped Ren & Stimpy. Way harder than whoever took over for him on Nickelodeon.
Title: Re: What Killed Nickelodeon's "SNICK" for You?
Post by: kodiakthejuggler on February 01, 2009, 07:29:12 PM
Sorry, but the John K getting fired argument when down the toilet when he brought the show back on Spike TV and made Ren & Stimpy have gay sexual intercourse without any ambiguity. It's like saying Return of the Jedi would have been better if George Lucas directed it... and then seeing Jar-Jar. John K is worse than Hitler. He literally raped beloved cartoon character. Not figuratively. Literally. He literally raped Ren & Stimpy. Way harder than whoever took over for him on Nickelodeon.

That is a separate entity. It's evil-hatred-spurned Jon K., not edgy-ahead-of-its-time-insanely-brilliant-and-very-naughty Jon K. Also remember, that most of the creative team with him during the first Ren and Stimpy was not present during the Spike fiasco.

I do like your Lucas analogy. That pretty much covers it. Jon K. raped our childhood in the same way Lucas did.
Title: Re: What Killed Nickelodeon's "SNICK" for You?
Post by: Dankbuds on February 01, 2009, 07:30:22 PM
The End of Ren & Stimpy ended my days with SNICK..

The firing of Jon Krickfalusi ended Ren and Stimpy. That is all that matters.

 :clap: You got that right... after he left the episodes were garbage...  :clap:
While there were some hidden gems within the crap that was Ren and Stimpy post-Jon K., they just lost so much life that the show couldn't be redeemed and the plug had to be pulled. No one likes life as a vegetable.
I couldnt watch them after john left... it wasnt the same, they were more adult oriented in season 1 and 2
Sorry, but the John K getting fired argument when down the toilet when he brought the show back on Spike TV and made Ren & Stimpy have gay sexual intercourse without any ambiguity. It's like saying Return of the Jedi would have been better if George Lucas directed it... and then seeing Jar-Jar. John K is worse than Hitler. He literally raped beloved cartoon character. Not figuratively. Literally. He literally raped Ren & Stimpy. Way harder than whoever took over for him on Nickelodeon.

They had already been raped I think he was just trying to force some life back into them with some shock value.
and them having gay sex... it's a cartoon they arent real.
Title: Re: What Killed Nickelodeon's "SNICK" for You?
Post by: bratpop on February 01, 2009, 07:31:35 PM
Well if they were REAL it would be their CHOICE and I wouldn't have a PROBLEM with it.
Title: Re: What Killed Nickelodeon's "SNICK" for You?
Post by: Dankbuds on February 01, 2009, 07:34:05 PM
Well if they were REAL it would be their CHOICE and I wouldn't have a PROBLEM with it.
you wouldnt have a problem with it as long as they didnt do it on spike TV?
Title: Re: What Killed Nickelodeon's "SNICK" for You?
Post by: bratpop on February 01, 2009, 07:36:44 PM
Do other people have gay sex on Spike TV?
Title: Re: What Killed Nickelodeon's "SNICK" for You?
Post by: Dankbuds on February 01, 2009, 07:42:15 PM
Do other people have gay sex on Spike TV?

I'm just trying to get this straight.. you said that John Kricfalusi ruined ren and stimpy because of the gay sex.. but if you arent homo-phobic since you said if they were real it would be their choice and you'd be fine with it... I'm just trying to figure out what your problem is with John Kricfalusi. so if it isnt gay sex then it must be public displays of gay sex on spike TV by cartoon characters. matt stone and trey parker have tons of gay material in their comedy did they rape southpark?
Title: Re: What Killed Nickelodeon's "SNICK" for You?
Post by: bratpop on February 01, 2009, 09:21:41 PM
That was just the most memorable example of how horrible he made the show. It was the lowest common denominator, which I can only assume was purely out of spite and a big "fuck you" to Nickelodeon for daring to have deadlines and restrictions for a children's show that he sold to them. The point is that he was just as capable as Nickelodeon of ruining Ren & Stimpy and thus doesn't deserve deification.
Title: Re: What Killed Nickelodeon's "SNICK" for You?
Post by: CM916 on February 02, 2009, 01:12:46 AM
I'm not sure when I fell out of the loop. Im shocked they even attempted to have a new cast for All That once the original people grew up, that had to be awful and short lived. Although I either don't remember or know for sure that I never watched several of the shows you listed. I'd say Angry Beavers was the last Nick cartoon that appealed to me even though I was already older at the time in the mold of Rocko and Ren.

As for the argument that we all simply outgrow these things at some point, I dispute such claims as many of the shows I watched as a child turned out to be very intelligent and still appeal to me today while most of the new stuff is dumbed-down garbage. I can't say I have recently sought out children's shows but I have sampled a few out of morbid curiosity or because I fell asleep during Adult Swim and they just don't come close. Rocko's Modern Life and Animaniacs (though not a Nick show) still rank among the best shows I have ever seen and still watch thanks to the pirates at youtube.
Title: Re: What Killed Nickelodeon's "SNICK" for You?
Post by: Thrifty on February 02, 2009, 10:50:21 AM
As for the argument that we all simply outgrow these things at some point, I dispute such claims as many of the shows I watched as a child turned out to be very intelligent and still appeal to me today while most of the new stuff is dumbed-down garbage. I can't say I have recently sought out children's shows but I have sampled a few out of morbid curiosity or because I fell asleep during Adult Swim and they just don't come close. Rocko's Modern Life and Animaniacs (though not a Nick show) still rank among the best shows I have ever seen and still watch thanks to the pirates at youtube.

The nostalgia factor will always add to enjoyment of something that you otherwise might be less keen on.  You gotta ask yourself if you still love every single TV show that you watched as a kid, or if there are a few exceptions that make you say "this sucks".

Like, I loved watching The Adventures of Link and Captain N The Game Master when I was a kid, but I watched some more episodes last year, and I realized they were just terrible.  Ditto for the Super Mario Brothers cartoon.  Also Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.

Yeah, there were kids shows that appeal to adults.  There still are.  I know plenty of adults who can really get into Spongebob. 

But you gotta take a comprehensive look--try looking up weekday afternoon 3-5 PM and Saturday morning 8-12 AM TV listings from when you were a kid--and then try to watch ALL those shows.  I'm betting you're gonna find a couple that strike you as utter tripe.