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Title: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: kodiakthejuggler on December 15, 2006, 07:05:41 PM
BASTARDS!!!!!!!!


They just ended this-half-of-the-season Battlestar Galactica in a cliffhanger!


I so wasn't expecting that.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: BathTub on December 15, 2006, 07:43:42 PM
only a few weeks though.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: Minnesota on December 16, 2006, 02:33:43 PM
so wait your a battlestar galactica fan AND you have a tom cruise avitar? hmm I'm starting to wonder about you man ;)

edit: crap i was thinking of battlefield earth wasn't I... honest mistake, you are forgiven for my earlier statement
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on April 05, 2008, 01:16:53 PM
It's back!  What did you think?
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: ShadowDog on April 05, 2008, 09:39:41 PM
Reason #235,933 that Laura Roslin is a moron:

"Starbuck is a Cylon plant who's job is to lead us astray from Earth!"

Reason #235,934 that Laura Roslin is a moron:

"Starbuck is a Cylon plant who's job is to lead us into an ambush!"

Um, okay. So the Cylon master plan was to call off an attack that everyone agrees would have destroyed the entire freaking fleet so that they could insert Starbuck in as their secret agent (despite the fact that Starbuck is dead so there is NO REASON for anyone to trust her) so that Starbuck can lead the fleet into an ambush that will destroy the entire freaking fleet?

As I said, Laura Roslin is an abject moron.

Another than that really awful character tardness, a good episode!
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on April 06, 2008, 10:42:50 AM
Um, okay. So the Cylon master plan was to call off an attack that everyone agrees would have destroyed the entire freaking fleet so that they could insert Starbuck in as their secret agent (despite the fact that Starbuck is dead so there is NO REASON for anyone to trust her) so that Starbuck can lead the fleet into an ambush that will destroy the entire freaking fleet?

Exactly, why would anyone on the fleet belive the attack was a bluff just to insert Starbuck?  I can see not trusting her until they can figure out what happened to her, but common sense should have them looking for other reasons the attack was called off....  For dramatic purposes I guess they needed to drive Starbuck to do what she did at the end of the show, but I think they could have come up with something a bit more logical.

Hard to judge the episode, the long wait drove up my expectations too much, I thought the Baltar cult stuff was over done a bit, but right now of all the characters his is the one I'm most curious about as to where it will end up.

Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: RoninFox on April 06, 2008, 01:17:12 PM
Personally I think they did a great job with Starbuck here.  We as the audience are in the same position as the fleet at this point.  We want her to be right, we want to trust her, but we can't make it work logically.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on April 06, 2008, 04:09:14 PM
Personally I think they did a great job with Starbuck here.  We as the audience are in the same position as the fleet at this point.  We want her to be right, we want to trust her, but we can't make it work logically.

As the audience, we know Earth's system has a gas giant with rings, so we know she has either been to earth or been given info on earth, if the Cylons have not found earth yet then she wasn't planted by the Cylons since they don't know any more  about Earth than the colonials do, so something else is going on....

There is an interesting pattern going on:

At Cobol Boomer blows up a base ship and later Athena helps them to find the map to earth.
At the pulsar the cylons get there first only to be set back by the virus.
At the eye of jupiter another standoff with the cylons that turns in the favor of the colonials mostly because of Dianna's obsession with the final 5.
At the nebula they find Starbuck and one of the 5 turns back the Cylons and saves the fleet.

At each of the major events that are leading them to Earth they have been saved from the Cylons, usually by Cylons.....
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: ShadowDog on April 07, 2008, 01:16:57 AM
That's a very interesting observation.  I hadn't put those pieces together.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: RoninFox on April 07, 2008, 05:05:16 AM
Personally I think they did a great job with Starbuck here.  We as the audience are in the same position as the fleet at this point.  We want her to be right, we want to trust her, but we can't make it work logically.

As the audience, we know Earth's system has a gas giant with rings, so we know she has either been to earth or been given info on earth, if the Cylons have not found earth yet then she wasn't planted by the Cylons since they don't know any more  about Earth than the colonials do, so something else is going on....

I see all of that, and yet it is the projected images of Cylons, the Raider she was chasing and Leoben in her visions, that led her to Earth in the first place...although if I remember right she mentioned in that vision that the Leoben vision was not Leoben himself, and he answered he never said he was.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: DrForester on April 07, 2008, 06:58:16 AM
I do think Starbuck is a Cylon, but not "the final" Cylon we're waiting for.  I think there will end up being 13 Cylons in the end.  12 Cylons, 12 Colonies.  Earth is the mysterious 13th Colony, would make sense there might be a 13th Cylon.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on April 07, 2008, 08:16:47 AM
I do think Starbuck is a Cylon, but not "the final" Cylon we're waiting for.  I think there will end up being 13 Cylons in the end.  12 Cylons, 12 Colonies.  Earth is the mysterious 13th Colony, would make sense there might be a 13th Cylon.

In one podcast Moore said it all will tie in somehow with what they were saying a lot in the first season: "this has all happened before, it will all happen again".

Since I don't think there will be time travel on this show (at least I hope not), if you put the show our future that would allow for similar events to have happened on Earth, so Starbuck could be an "Earth Cylon", and more advanced.  This could also explain the 5, if Tigh was around fighting the Cylons back before the experiments to create the first hybrid then where did he come from?
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: mrbasehart on April 07, 2008, 08:26:53 AM
It's been a while since I saw the previous season, but is the little kid who Baltar "saves" Boomer's kid? He could be the final cylon...
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: kodiakthejuggler on April 07, 2008, 09:22:11 AM
Boomer's kid is a girl isn't it??

Hera?
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on April 07, 2008, 09:35:53 AM
Yes, Athena's kid is a girl.

Since the Chief is a Cylon there are now 2 half breed babies, I doubt either of them are included in the 5 since they have been talking about 12 models since the start of the show, and in the visions seen by Caprica and Dianna we see the white silhouettes of 5 adults.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: Gil on April 09, 2008, 09:32:57 AM
Um, okay. So the Cylon master plan was to call off an attack that everyone agrees would have destroyed the entire freaking fleet so that they could insert Starbuck in as their secret agent (despite the fact that Starbuck is dead so there is NO REASON for anyone to trust her) so that Starbuck can lead the fleet into an ambush that will destroy the entire freaking fleet?

Exactly, why would anyone on the fleet belive the attack was a bluff just to insert Starbuck?  I can see not trusting her until they can figure out what happened to her, but common sense should have them looking for other reasons the attack was called off....  For dramatic purposes I guess they needed to drive Starbuck to do what she did at the end of the show, but I think they could have come up with something a bit more logical.

Hard to judge the episode, the long wait drove up my expectations too much, I thought the Baltar cult stuff was over done a bit, but right now of all the characters his is the one I'm most curious about as to where it will end up.



Um... okay... I can't believe I need to explain this.  This entire season has been telegraphed from before it premiered.

The Cylons turned off and went away after activating Anders and re-inserting Starbuck into the fleet.  This way they can keep us guessing and pull things out of their ass like they did all last season, for no real reason.

They don't think they can find their way to Earth by themselves, but know that if they just follow the colonists, they will take them there.  Then they'll have found US (present-day Earth) and can wipe out ALL 13 tribes of Kobol.

The first two seasons of BSG minus the season 2 finale was some of the best TV I've ever seen.  After that, it was dispos-all material.  It's not going to get any better.  The reason they didn't move it to NBC is that it would FAIL on NBC and just be another canceled show.  On Sci Fi, it's a hit, because that's the only place that quivering, geeky little nerds could watch it and have Tricia Helfer send chills down their spines for sadomasochistic behavior to Baltar.

The first two seasons were science fiction at its absolute best, worthy of Philip K. Dick.  The third season was a crappy allegory to the Iraq war, which RUINED the show, and the fourth season will be a bunch of mystical, religious NONSENSE.


Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on April 09, 2008, 11:34:36 AM
Yeah it jumped the shark in season 2, but I still like the universe they live in so it will be sad to see it off the air.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: ShadowDog on April 09, 2008, 03:27:54 PM
Um... okay... I can't believe I need to explain this.  This entire season has been telegraphed from before it premiered.

The Cylons turned off and went away after activating Anders and re-inserting Starbuck into the fleet.  This way they can keep us guessing and pull things out of their ass like they did all last season, for no real reason.

Um, okay ... I can't believe you need to explain that either because I was talking about Roslin's thinking here, and she doesn't have access to the same information we do.  She doesn't know that four cylons were activated, that a Raider reacted to Anders' eye, etc.  WE know why the cylons turned around but most of the fleet inside the show don't know.  With that in mind, Roslin comes across looking pretty dumb.  That's all I'm saying.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on April 09, 2008, 09:04:02 PM
The Cylons turned off and went away after activating Anders and re-inserting Starbuck into the fleet.  This way they can keep us guessing and pull things out of their ass like they did all last season, for no real reason.

They don't think they can find their way to Earth by themselves, but know that if they just follow the colonists, they will take them there.  Then they'll have found US (present-day Earth) and can wipe out ALL 13 tribes of Kobol.

I'll repeat, if the Cylons don't know where earth is how could they give Starbuck info about it?  So they didn't re-insert her, there's something else going on there.

As for Anders, hard to say if the raider activated something in him or he set off something in the raider.  Either way there's a big logic hole that's been created with these final 5, all that time on New Caprica and none of the Cylons picked up on them, but a raider in battle does?????  Only way out of that hole is that they were undetectable until they were activated, and the nebula activated them, and once activated Anders was able to signal the raider to back off.  Still pretty weak.

Listening to the podcasts you can tell they do sometimes pull stuff out of their ass, and have had to write around it later, but that's the way it is with shows, since they never know how long they are going to be on the air (especially on Sci-Fi...), at least we will get an ending with BSG, time will tell if it's a good one...
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: RoninFox on April 10, 2008, 04:43:20 AM
I'll repeat, if the Cylons don't know where earth is how could they give Starbuck info about it?  So they didn't re-insert her, there's something else going on there.

"We know more about your religion than you do" -Boomer

It's possible that a description of Earth exists in one of ancient scrolls, and that the Cylons planted that information into Starbuck.  Not saying that's the answer, just speculation.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on April 10, 2008, 08:15:48 AM
I'll repeat, if the Cylons don't know where earth is how could they give Starbuck info about it?  So they didn't re-insert her, there's something else going on there.

"We know more about your religion than you do" -Boomer

It's possible that a description of Earth exists in one of ancient scrolls, and that the Cylons planted that information into Starbuck.  Not saying that's the answer, just speculation.

If that's the case then it really doesn't make sence to insert her back into the fleet to help them find earth, when they could have wiped out the fleet and go find it themselves....

Also the Cylons took one of her ovaries, did tests, and they didn't recognize her as one of their own?  If she turns out to be a Cylon that will be one major hole in the story, even bigger than them not recognizing Tigh after having him in a cell, so I still think she's not one of the 5, she's something different that's linked with Earth, and that's why the Cylons were so interested in her DNA.  What the first hybrid in Razor said about her could be interpreted several ways.

As a side note: If they find present day earth I will be very disappointed, that's where the original series got really stupid....
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: MSTJedi on April 10, 2008, 10:29:08 AM
I find it hard to see Starbuck as a Cylon . . . at least not in league with the other Cylons in the series. It would only make sense (not that everything makes sense in BSG) that she's something else that both sides have no idea about.

What I'm really interested in is seeing what they do with Baltar. All this time he's been seeing visions of Number 6, but it seems that while his vision 6 knows a lot about the Cylons, she's not actually part of the Cylons. That and she seems to know how things will play out before they happen, which rules out the figment of Gaius's imagination explanation. Are they really gonna make her a messenger from God? Also, the real question is this: do the writers know where this is going or is this one of those ass-pulling things?
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: DarthChimay on April 10, 2008, 12:44:17 PM

The first two seasons were science fiction at its absolute best, worthy of Philip K. Dick.  The third season was a crappy allegory to the Iraq war, which RUINED the show, and the fourth season will be a bunch of mystical, religious NONSENSE.


I think it might be a little early to start passing judgement on season 4. We're only 1 episode in. You may be right, but with 21 episodes left to go, it's hard to say.

When season 3 first aired, I thought it started really well, then hit a huge slump at the beginning of the second half, then got good again. Sure, you could say that it was a metaphor for the Iraq War, but the parallels really aren't that strong. It just seemed like a metaphor for all of those sorts of situations, which is what I think the best sci-fi is. Viewing it again as one huge chunk, without having to wait, made me view a lot more favorably.

In any case, I also don't think Starbuck is a Cylon. Beside the fact that Ron Moore has explicitly said that she isn't (which, of course, doesn't mean he hasn't changed his mind since saying that), there isn't any evidence other than she's somehow mysteriously returned from the dead (if, in fact, she was dead).

I have a theory that the final Cylon might be Helo, mostly based on the fact that it would get rid of Hera as a half-breed, and Callie being a Cylon would be pretty boring. I also kinda think Lee Adama might be a Cylon. Don't know why, other than he's such an archetype, and the Cylons have been built as what they see the archetypes of humanity to be (Sharon = mother; 6 = temptress; Leoban = prophet; Cavil = priest; Tigh = alcoholic, which is the archetype I try to live up to). Or maybe Tom Zarek is, which would be so totally awesome.

My dream is that the final Cylon (whether it be the 12th or possibly-non-existant 13th) will be Dirk Benedict. I'd probably die of happiness right there.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on April 10, 2008, 09:09:48 PM
I have a theory that the final Cylon might be Helo, mostly based on the fact that it would get rid of Hera as a half-breed, and Callie being a Cylon would be pretty boring. I also kinda think Lee Adama might be a Cylon. Don't know why, other than he's such an archetype, and the Cylons have been built as what they see the archetypes of humanity to be (Sharon = mother; 6 = temptress; Leoban = prophet; Cavil = priest; Tigh = alcoholic, which is the archetype I try to live up to). Or maybe Tom Zarek is, which would be so totally awesome.

My dream is that the final Cylon (whether it be the 12th or possibly-non-existant 13th) will be Dirk Benedict. I'd probably die of happiness right there.


I've also been thinking Zarek as the 5th would be great, it also fits with someone that wasn't on Galactica when they were at the nebula to meet the other 4.  Helo would be interesting, it would blow the other Cylons minds that 2 Cylons had a kid.  Hard to explain Lee, since he had a human mom and dad...

Dirk Benedict would be a killer, I think if he were on the set it would be a hard secret for them to keep...

Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: ShadowDog on April 10, 2008, 10:32:51 PM
I think you're on to something.  I think Zarek would be a genius choice as the final Cylon.

By the way, there's an Elephant in the room as far as Tigh being a Cylon.  Unlike all the other cases, Tigh has known people who are still alive for decades.  How long have Tigh and Adama known each other?  10 years?  20?  30?  It's been a long time in any case.  LONG before human form Cylons are supposed to exist, right?

So what happened?  Did they replace real humans with Cylons at some point in the past?  Or is this a major screwup?  LOL
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on April 10, 2008, 10:53:01 PM
By the way, there's an Elephant in the room as far as Tigh being a Cylon.  Unlike all the other cases, Tigh has known people who are still alive for decades.  How long have Tigh and Adama known each other?  10 years?  20?  30?  It's been a long time in any case.  LONG before human form Cylons are supposed to exist, right?

Adama has supposedly known Tigh for 30+ years, and if he's been in the service for 40 years there should be records.  If he fought in the first Cylon war then it was definitely before the experiments to create the first Hybrid.

Moore has said he has an explaination of how this works and we'll find out this season.....
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: DarthChimay on April 11, 2008, 12:13:22 AM
By the way, there's an Elephant in the room as far as Tigh being a Cylon.  Unlike all the other cases, Tigh has known people who are still alive for decades.  How long have Tigh and Adama known each other?  10 years?  20?  30?  It's been a long time in any case.  LONG before human form Cylons are supposed to exist, right?

Adama has supposedly known Tigh for 30+ years, and if he's been in the service for 40 years there should be records.  If he fought in the first Cylon war then it was definitely before the experiments to create the first Hybrid.

Moore has said he has an explaination of how this works and we'll find out this season.....

There is an explanation. A friend of mine works for BSG and he told me all about it.

Apparently, Tigh is actually a Cylon from the future. But, what happened is, well, you know how when you drink a whole lot sometimes time gets all messed up for you? It was like that, except he literally drank himself into the past.

And, yeah, it would be such a brilliant move to have the original Apollo turn out to be a Cylon. As far as Lee being one, it's a stretch, I know, but I was thinking, since they can age like normal people (Tigh), and since they've never explicitly said that Admiral Adama was at Lee's birth, maybe there are some shenanigans there. It's tenuous and I think I'll just leave the theory there to die on the trash heap of history.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on April 11, 2008, 08:14:03 AM
Apparently, Tigh is actually a Cylon from the future. But, what happened is, well, you know how when you drink a whole lot sometimes time gets all messed up for you? It was like that, except he literally drank himself into the past.

Good one  ;D

I'm starting to get the feeling there might be time travel involved, they've been close to deus ex machina a few times but time travel would be going too far...

Clues:

The virus that was on the beacon hit the colonies 3000 years ago.
Starbucks brand new viper
The prophecies from the scrolls.
The way the six in Baltar's head keeps telling him stuff that's going to happen, as if it was implanted somehow (genetic memory or something).

So, they go back in time and become their own gods, then have to set everything up so it all happens again, the 5 are planted to keep the Cylons from destroying the fleet since without it they wouldn't exist.  Nice big Star Trekian time loop, wouldn't that piss people off.  :D

Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: Doctor Who? on April 11, 2008, 08:41:32 AM
Um, okay. So the Cylon master plan was to call off an attack that everyone agrees would have destroyed the entire freaking fleet so that they could insert Starbuck in as their secret agent (despite the fact that Starbuck is dead so there is NO REASON for anyone to trust her) so that Starbuck can lead the fleet into an ambush that will destroy the entire freaking fleet?

Exactly, why would anyone on the fleet belive the attack was a bluff just to insert Starbuck?  I can see not trusting her until they can figure out what happened to her, but common sense should have them looking for other reasons the attack was called off....  For dramatic purposes I guess they needed to drive Starbuck to do what she did at the end of the show, but I think they could have come up with something a bit more logical.

Hard to judge the episode, the long wait drove up my expectations too much, I thought the Baltar cult stuff was over done a bit, but right now of all the characters his is the one I'm most curious about as to where it will end up.



Um... okay... I can't believe I need to explain this.  This entire season has been telegraphed from before it premiered.

The Cylons turned off and went away after activating Anders and re-inserting Starbuck into the fleet.  This way they can keep us guessing and pull things out of their ass like they did all last season, for no real reason.

They don't think they can find their way to Earth by themselves, but know that if they just follow the colonists, they will take them there.  Then they'll have found US (present-day Earth) and can wipe out ALL 13 tribes of Kobol.

The first two seasons of BSG minus the season 2 finale was some of the best TV I've ever seen.  After that, it was dispos-all material.  It's not going to get any better.  The reason they didn't move it to NBC is that it would FAIL on NBC and just be another canceled show.  On Sci Fi, it's a hit, because that's the only place that quivering, geeky little nerds could watch it and have Tricia Helfer send chills down their spines for sadomasochistic behavior to Baltar.

The first two seasons were science fiction at its absolute best, worthy of Philip K. Dick.  The third season was a crappy allegory to the Iraq war, which RUINED the show, and the fourth season will be a bunch of mystical, religious NONSENSE.




After last nighs episode i think you hit the nail on the head.

Everyone was acting like morons and I couldn't care less about Baltar and his little cult.

I will still be taping this show for my mom(She is a huge fan)but I haven't seen one truely good episode since the end of season 2 so i give up.

Maybe if i hear good buzz about the final I will rent the DVds off of Netflix,but I am not going to turn my life upside down trying to catch it on TV any more.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on April 11, 2008, 09:39:28 AM
I will still be taping this show for my mom(She is a huge fan)but I haven't seen one truely good episode since the end of season 2 so i give up.

Maybe if i hear good buzz about the final I will rent the DVds off of Netflix,but I am not going to turn my life upside down trying to catch it on TV any more.

The previews for tonights episode look real good.

As for season 3:

So you didn't think exodus 1 and 2 were good episodes?  Those stand up with the best from season 2.
And the last 2? The guy playing Baltar's lawyer was great, and we got to see Lee grow up a bit...
The extended version of the boxing episode fills in a lot of character stuff that lets you appreciate some of the other episodes more.
I agree there was a string of 3 or 4 throw away episodes mid season.

I guess if you're always looking for sci fi action then everything past exodus would not be for you, but they've always said this is really a war drama that happens to be in space.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: Doctor Who? on April 11, 2008, 07:16:37 PM
I was forgetting exodus 1 and 2 were part of season 3.

My post came off a lot more angry then i meant it too.

I think the main problem may be that durring the weak run of episodes in season three I discovered Babylon 5 on DvD and it raised the bar for storytelling in Sci-Fi shows for me.  I am even having trouble watching some of the new Doctor Who's now.

Plot holes and people acting out of character are jumping out at me in a way they never did before.

Look season 3 had some good bits and I give the producers credit for that but for me it seemed to be mostly about people wining,acting stupid,cylons sleeping with Baltar, Balter being treated like a hero by the people of the fleet all of the sudden,and nothing the Cylons did made lick of sense.

I hope season 4 changes the trend and I will give tonights episode a try,but between the episode two weeks ago that was nothing but people saying "BSG is the greatest thing ever produced by the human race" and last weeks episode I think the shows writers and producers have become like Gorge Lucas and now think that they are the greatest storytellers that ever lived and are not putting any thought into the scripts any more.

I really hope I am proved wrong but after being burned in recent years by both Star trek and Star Wars I am starting to lose hope.

Sorry that's just the way i feel.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on April 11, 2008, 09:02:21 PM
I really hope I am proved wrong but after being burned in recent years by both Star trek and Star Wars I am starting to lose hope.

Well, I thought tonight's episode was way better than last weeks, so I think they are back on track....

I know what you mean about being let down, good shows always seem to get yanked, and bad ones stay on for years, science fiction being no different than other types.   You know even B5 was almost pulled without a proper ending, as it is they had to wrap things up a season sooner than they wanted...

Then there were the sequels to B5 that were not as good, so you never know, it takes that magical combination of cast and writing to make something good.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: Doctor Who? on April 11, 2008, 10:33:06 PM
Glad to here about tonights episode.

I recorded it and will watch it tomorrow and let you know what i think.

I have only made it to season four of B5 so far(I am watching it via netflix so it takes time)but so far everything is lining up and making sense,and it doesn't feel like the people working on the show got their heads stuck up their asses like most people do when their shows get lots of praise from credits.

Don't get me I love BSG the first two season were some of the best tv ever made,it's just since the middle of season three it has felt like the producers had no idea were the story was going and just kept pulling stuff out of thin air in order to make enought episodes to fill out the season.

In a way I kind of wish they had stuck to 13 episode seasons as it would have given them a lot more time to work on the scripts.

But all in all even the bad points of season three can't change the fact that BSG is one of the best Sci-Fi shows ever made.

Glad to hear  that they have gotten back on track.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: Doctor Who? on April 12, 2008, 07:25:54 AM
That was the best episode since season 2.

It's nice to see Bill and Lee getting along for a change.

It was also good to hear someone tell Rosland what a stupid selfish bitch she is.

I think the Cylons have had it though.

I don't think they are a threat any more.

Nice to see someone finally begin to notice that Baltar is talking to people who are not there.

So after about a season off track it seems the show is back on track.

I can't wait for next week's episode.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on April 12, 2008, 10:04:53 AM
It was a good one, they aired both 1 and 2 last night and viewing them together as one episode makes the first one seem better.

Nice little touches like the wide shots of the fleet showing the ships being repaired.

The 6's are such baddasses, one of them helps wipe out the colonies and now another one is going to help her own race self destruct, cool...

Lucy Lawless is supposed to be back for a bunch of episodes, should be fun to see how she gets involved with the Cylon civil war.

Interesting bit Cavel said about the original programmers programing them not to even think about the final 5, for their own safety, another hint about something that was planted in the past by someone/thing/people with knowledge of how the future unfolds.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: Doctor Who? on April 12, 2008, 10:25:31 AM
I wonder if they will tell us this season who programed the Cylons,or if they are saving that for the spin off.

I think i would gladly watch a a season or two that was just about the Cylon civil war.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: BEERxTaco on April 14, 2008, 09:11:17 AM
Man this thread is killing me... I'm trying not to read it, I'm still getting caught up. I started watching Season One last week and I'm up to Season Three now, so very soon I will be able to watch the new eps I've been recording... this has been an awesome experience being able to watch all the previous seasons 3 or 4 or 5 eps a day for the last week, lol...
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: kodiakthejuggler on April 14, 2008, 09:48:54 AM
Man this thread is killing me... I'm trying not to read it, I'm still getting caught up. I started watching Season One last week and I'm up to Season Three now, so very soon I will be able to watch the new eps I've been recording... this has been an awesome experience being able to watch all the previous seasons 3 or 4 or 5 eps a day for the last week, lol...

Same here. I stopped watching the show right after the third season came out, and I've been out of the loop for a while now. I purchased season 3 and watched almost the entire thing in a weekend. I finally got caught up, and now I'm bigger into the show than I ever was. I'm so anxious to see the final Cylon!

This is getting much better and more intriguing.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: SmilinJackRoss on April 14, 2008, 10:26:53 AM
Yeah, I finally got caught up and watched the first two season 4 episodes on Friday.  The only thing I haven't seen yet is Razor, but it's coming from netflix tomorrow.

Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on April 14, 2008, 10:36:00 AM
Razor is pretty useless.  It's basically just deleted scenes from Season 2 and 3 cut into a movie.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: kodiakthejuggler on April 14, 2008, 11:05:28 AM
But the cool part is
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on April 14, 2008, 01:44:13 PM
Razor is pretty useless.  It's basically just deleted scenes from Season 2 and 3 cut into a movie.

That's going a bit far, as a stand alone episode it's pretty good, it just doesn't do much for the main story arc.

If you only watched the version that was aired on cable then I can see coming to that conclusion, on the DVD you get to see why Kane was the way she was, why they were so evil to the 6, and get to hear some extra teasers from the first hybrid at the end.  But I'll agree that giving more character development to a dead character (Kane) is a bit on the useless side.

Of course if Kane is resurrected and is the 5th Cylon that would be wild, I wonder if the final 5 can resurrect?
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on April 14, 2008, 02:41:07 PM
No, I saw the DVD of it.  I stand by my statement.

Kane was just a sadist.  The fact that her lesbian lover turned out to be a Cylon didn't explain to me why she let them rape the 6.
That's just fucked up. 

The only way Razor is worth watching is for the Hybrid part, but I listened to one of the Audiobooks of the new Battlestar Galactica where they explained a whole lot more about the hybrids so even that part didn't excite me too much.

There was all this build up for that movie, and it was just hype.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on April 14, 2008, 09:24:48 PM
No, I saw the DVD of it.  I stand by my statement.

Kane was just a sadist.  The fact that her lesbian lover turned out to be a Cylon didn't explain to me why she let them rape the 6.
That's just fucked up. 

Well, the part with her as a little kid would explain why she was what she was, and why she hated the Cylons so much.  I'm not defending her, just that those parts answered some questions that were lingering about her.  It also answered the questions about what happened to the civilian fleet that Pegasus found, so it does fill in some stuff from season 2, I liked how they paralleled what was happening on Pegasus with what was happening on Galactica.

They pretty much said it would be a stand alone thing, and it wouldn't add to the main story arc back when they first started talking about making Razor, so I guess my expectations were not as high as yours.  I think it could have been edited better, especially the transitions to the flashbacks, but if it were just an episode in season 2 I don't think people would be so hard on it...
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: ShadowDog on April 15, 2008, 12:55:01 PM
I think the Razor conversation just shows has the network decisions are really hurting this show.  The decision to wait an entire YEAR between seasons 3 and 4 was fucking retarded, especially when you consider that we're only getting half of season 4 right now and then we have to wait until 2009 for the back 10 episodes.  So we're in the middle of seeing 10 episodes aired during a 2 year period.

With that going on right now, NO 2 hour movie was going to live up to the waiting period.  If Razor had aired in the middle of a six month break between seasons or as the 4th season premiere after only a four month wait I think it would have been fine.  But as it is, it's all we can do to give a fuck.  Sooner or later you get sick and tired of WAITING and you start getting pissed off.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: DarthChimay on April 15, 2008, 01:47:49 PM
I think the Razor conversation just shows has the network decisions are really hurting this show.  The decision to wait an entire YEAR between seasons 3 and 4 was fucking retarded, especially when you consider that we're only getting half of season 4 right now and then we have to wait until 2009 for the back 10 episodes.  So we're in the middle of seeing 10 episodes aired during a 2 year period.

With that going on right now, NO 2 hour movie was going to live up to the waiting period.  If Razor had aired in the middle of a six month break between seasons or as the 4th season premiere after only a four month wait I think it would have been fine.  But as it is, it's all we can do to give a fuck.  Sooner or later you get sick and tired of WAITING and you start getting pissed off.

Well, to be fair, we don't know how much of this most recent split in the season is due to the writers' and actors' strikes.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: ShadowDog on April 16, 2008, 06:06:44 AM
That's fair enough.  But just judging by the year gap between seasons 3 and 4 it wouldn't surprise me if this was their plan all along.  I mean, they're shooting the back ten right now, so why would their need to be a 9 month break between season halves?  They were shooting the front ten in October and December and they didn't need 9 months to finish those.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on April 16, 2008, 08:09:59 AM
Is that really the plan?  To have another 9 month gap?  That means the DVDs for season 4 will not be out until late 2009.  Other networks are airing the post strike shows this season, so no reason for them not to.

Thanks Sci Fi channel, as if we needed another reason to hate you.  :angry:

If ratings stay up for the current set of episodes maybe they will ask for another movie type episode for the fall again....
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: Doctor Who? on April 16, 2008, 09:18:24 AM
Maybe the heads at Sci-Fi realized that after BSG ends they don't have any shows so they are trying to make this last season take as long as possible to end.

BSG may go down as having the most padded out run of any show in history.

I mean by the time it ends they will have taken 7 years to air four seasons of shows.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on April 18, 2008, 08:53:28 PM
Not sure what to think about tonight's episode, what a ride....

Anyone notice the number on the weapons locker? 8)
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: ShadowDog on April 19, 2008, 01:08:27 PM
I noticed but by the end I was too pissed about them killing off the hawtest woman on the show (I'm not into Space Barbies, I like real looking women) to really care.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on April 19, 2008, 03:48:51 PM
Not sure what to think about tonight's episode, what a ride....

Anyone notice the number on the weapons locker? 8)

Picard's Enterprise.  Oh, Yeah!
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on April 19, 2008, 04:42:36 PM
I noticed but by the end I was too pissed about them killing off the hawtest woman on the show (I'm not into Space Barbies, I like real looking women) to really care.

Her death better have some implication later on.  So few shows left, to waste most of one on this for no reason would be a crime....

I did think it was odd that she mentioned feeling odd since they were at the nebula, was it just because the chief was acting different or did it affect her also? 
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on April 19, 2008, 06:01:54 PM
She's the final cylon....bum...Bum...BUM!
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: ShadowDog on April 19, 2008, 11:58:06 PM
I think there's a reason, but it's not the one we think.  It's probably something retarded like they needed Tyrol to go all emo so something really strong had to happen to start him down that path.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: DarthChimay on April 20, 2008, 02:42:13 AM
I dunno... I am afraid that her death was really callous. I mean, they decided to make Tyrol a Cylon at the end of last season and found out they had a problem. He's married and has a half-breed. So, they killed at least 1 bird. I'm going to give the writers the benefit of the doubt and hope that her death will actually mean something, that it will drive the characters to do things, but it just felt... wrong, cruel, and efficient. That might've been the second most heart-breaking episode of a TV show I've ever seen, right behind the death of Buffy's mom.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: RoninFox on April 20, 2008, 03:37:02 AM
I think the murder has already had one of the main effects they wanted, within the four Cylons in the fleet, Tory is now recognizable as the villain.  The other three are still struggling to keep their humanity, the Chief trying to make things better with Cally until it's too late, Anders clinging to the scraps of his relationship with Kara, Tigh decreeing that he's a Colonial Officer no matter what else.  Tory though is the one that's seeming to come into her own with the realization that she's a Cylon, and will do anything she feels she has to without hesitation to protect herself and her interests.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: ShadowDog on April 20, 2008, 07:02:09 AM
At least Buffy's death was planned for years ahead of time so they really laid up the framework.  As opposed to ... say ... introducing a pill popping habit in the same episode.  ::)
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on April 20, 2008, 10:15:15 AM
At least Buffy's death was planned for years ahead of time so they really laid up the framework.  As opposed to ... say ... introducing a pill popping habit in the same episode.  ::)

Well, they have been hinting that things haven't been going well in that marriage ever since they left new caprica, but they've been leading us to think it was the Chief's fault with him spending too much time at the bar.

There has been a pattern of the cylons protecting the hybrid children at all costs, even Roslyn was doing it back on new caprica, so some programing in Tory could have gone off when she saw that Cally was putting her hybrid in danger.  If Roslyn isn't a cylon they'll probably explain her link with the cylons as due to the cylon blood transfusion she got.

Been watching some of the original series, NBC has a bunch of them online now as part of their way back Wednesdays.  I forgot Jane Seymour was in the first 4 shows.  I also forgot how well that show started out, all I remembered were the bad episodes, and the even worse version they did in 1980 when they found earth.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: ShadowDog on April 20, 2008, 11:47:34 AM
Yeah, the show hasn't aged well but I loved it back in the day and still have some affection for it now.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: DarthChimay on April 20, 2008, 07:37:23 PM
At least Buffy's death was planned for years ahead of time so they really laid up the framework.  As opposed to ... say ... introducing a pill popping habit in the same episode.  ::)

Just as a minor point, I was talking about Buffy's mother, not Buffy herself. Her mom died and stayed dead and it had a very tangible effect on the rest of the series.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: MSTJedi on April 20, 2008, 08:47:20 PM
I noticed but by the end I was too pissed about them killing off the hawtest woman on the show (I'm not into Space Barbies, I like real looking women) to really care.

Her death better have some implication later on.  So few shows left, to waste most of one on this for no reason would be a crime....

I did think it was odd that she mentioned feeling odd since they were at the nebula, was it just because the chief was acting different or did it affect her also? 

I was pretty surprised that they killed her off myself. I've always had an affinity for Cally, perhaps for the same reason as Marty.

I also caught the not feeling right after the nebula line. If she does turn out to be a Cylon, one would hope that she'd come back and kick Tory's ass. I wonder if Tyrol will know it was Tory or if he'll assume it was suicide.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: kodiakthejuggler on April 21, 2008, 11:31:57 PM
Holy Shit!

That episode was just...

wow.


Notice how Tory was touching Tyrol's arm in the bar, reminds me of certain Cylons and their behavior...
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on April 22, 2008, 09:31:35 AM
Holy Shit!

That episode was just...

wow.


Notice how Tory was touching Tyrol's arm in the bar, reminds me of certain Cylons and their behavior...

Looks like they Tory is the one that will embrace her Cylonness the most, the previews for this weeks show look pretty wild. 

According to Ron Moore's blog he's writing the final episode now.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: BEERxTaco on April 22, 2008, 10:08:25 AM
I noticed but by the end I was too pissed about them killing off the hawtest woman on the show (I'm not into Space Barbies, I like real looking women) to really care.

I'll take Racetrack over Cally any day  ;)
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: DarthChimay on April 22, 2008, 12:00:06 PM
I noticed but by the end I was too pissed about them killing off the hawtest woman on the show (I'm not into Space Barbies, I like real looking women) to really care.

I'll take Racetrack over Cally any day  ;)

A-frakkin-men.

(http://www.thescifiworld.net/img/interviews/leah_cairns_03_big.jpg)
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: kodiakthejuggler on April 22, 2008, 12:08:54 PM
I noticed but by the end I was too pissed about them killing off the hawtest woman on the show (I'm not into Space Barbies, I like real looking women) to really care.

I'll take Racetrack over Cally any day  ;)

A-frakkin-men.

Agreed!!

They should have cropped out her granny elbow...   ;)
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: ShadowDog on April 22, 2008, 12:25:35 PM
That's just all the more Cally for me fellows!

>:-P~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on April 22, 2008, 01:24:24 PM
That's just all the more Cally for me fellows!

>:-P~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Did you see her on Tiki Bar TV?
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: ShadowDog on April 22, 2008, 01:32:35 PM
No.  But I'm heading to google RIGHT FREAKING NOW!  Heh heh.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on April 22, 2008, 01:34:31 PM
It's episode 17, Space Cadet.
http://www.tikibartv.com/flvplayer2.swf?file=http://media.libsyn.com/media/tiki/TikiBarTV_17.flv&vid=20&autoStart=false
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: DarthChimay on April 22, 2008, 01:38:29 PM
I noticed but by the end I was too pissed about them killing off the hawtest woman on the show (I'm not into Space Barbies, I like real looking women) to really care.

I'll take Racetrack over Cally any day  ;)

A-frakkin-men.

Agreed!!

They should have cropped out her granny elbow...   ;)

That's not the only pic I found of her. There's one that shows her being very limber while brushing her teeth. Oh, and she's naked.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: ShadowDog on April 22, 2008, 01:43:19 PM
Thanks bettertomorrow!  You have made a lifelong friend today cuz dayum!  I didn't even know that existed and now I can't live without it!  ROWL!
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: BEERxTaco on April 22, 2008, 01:45:05 PM
 :-*

(http://www.bsg.cz/imgs/news/2007-03/interviews/interview_leah_1.jpg)
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on April 22, 2008, 01:47:07 PM
...the stunning conclusion
http://www.tikibartv.com/flvplayer2.swf?file=http://media.libsyn.com/media/tiki/TikiBarTV_19.flv&vid=24&autoStart=false
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: BathTub on April 25, 2008, 03:18:07 PM
I noticed but by the end I was too pissed about them killing off the hawtest woman on the show (I'm not into Space Barbies, I like real looking women) to really care.

Damn straight, she was looking particularly great too.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: ShadowDog on April 25, 2008, 08:58:46 PM
Special Guest Drunk Of The Week: Chief Tyrol!

I never thought any TV show would use worse wigs than Sliders used to, but we have a new winner. Ugh.

Biggest Laugh Of The Night: Roslin with that hideous clown wig threatening ANYone, even punk assed Baltar. What? Mickey Mouse wasn't available to make death threats? LMFAO!!!! I'd have felt more threatened by a wet handcuffed kitten!
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on April 25, 2008, 09:41:35 PM
Special Guest Drunk Of The Week: Chief Tyrol!

I never thought any TV show would use worse wigs than Sliders used to, but we have a new winner. Ugh.

Biggest Laugh Of The Night: Roslin with that hideous clown wig threatening ANYone, even punk assed Baltar. What? Mickey Mouse wasn't available to make death threats? LMFAO!!!! I'd have felt more threatened by a wet handcuffed kitten!

I guess no wig makers survived and made it into the fleet.  ;)

Not sure what they are doing with Roslin's character, I guess Baltar has become her white whale....

The Tyrol scene in the bar was disturbing, I didn't think he was all that drunk, just sick of being fraked over at every turn.

The bits with Tigh seeing 6 as his wife were great.

Disappointed they didn't give us any idea of what's going on with the cylons fighting each other, I guess they are conserving their special effects budget, just having centurions on screen costs them a bundle in CGI work.


Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: SmilinJackRoss on April 26, 2008, 08:13:10 AM
Disappointed they didn't give us any idea of what's going on with the cylons fighting each other,

Or anything about Starbuck's mission either....

Overall I really liked this weeks episode, it had some good writing, but it was all existential stuff, and not really any plot movement.  I guess we should all just expect more of this kind of stuff, they have to pad out the series for awhile before they reveal anything cool (the 5th cylon, where's Earth, etc)
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on April 26, 2008, 09:07:45 AM
Disappointed they didn't give us any idea of what's going on with the cylons fighting each other,

Or anything about Starbuck's mission either....

Overall I really liked this weeks episode, it had some good writing, but it was all existential stuff, and not really any plot movement.  I guess we should all just expect more of this kind of stuff, they have to pad out the series for awhile before they reveal anything cool (the 5th cylon, where's Earth, etc)

Looks like next week is all about Starbuck's mission.

I know people will complain about the lack of action or revelations, but you can't have good drama without episodes like this, and without good drama any action is hollow (the reason most big budget action movies suck).    Yes, the writing was good, but the acting was great, usually episodes like this seem too long, but not this one.

I don't expect we will find out about the last cylon until the last episode or very near the end.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on May 02, 2008, 10:29:37 PM
Arrggg, a "to be continued" episode.   Darn previews, kind of spoiled a few possible surpises next week.  :angry:

Well, didn't take long to get really sick of Baltar+Tory, but Baltar wanting forgiveness from Tyrol was kinda weird, makes you wonder what's going on, hard to belive he's ready to start taking responsibility for his past.....
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: ShadowDog on May 03, 2008, 05:28:59 AM
It's funny you mention the "to be continued" thing because every episode has felt that way to me this year.  In fact, though I saw the words on the screen, it didn't mean anything to me until I saw what you said.  This is because everything has been so slow this year.  Not complaining, I've just resolved myself to the fact that we're not getting any real answers until next year when they finally show the back ten, so everything is feeling "to be continued" to me.  LOL
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on May 03, 2008, 10:48:25 AM
It's funny you mention the "to be continued" thing because every episode has felt that way to me this year. 

Well, sure, the entire series has been like that, I just thought they could have done more in this episode.  The whole main plot / minor plot thing they do every show gets annoying once in a while.

But thinking about it I guess that was the place to split the story, if they had gone a bit faster that would have put the split after going to the base star.  And the previews for next week show Starbuck talking to the hybrid and it repeats the same line that the hybrid from razor said.

Looks like the Chief got demoted but is still on the ship, with no explanation, I guess Adama wouldn't let him leave Galactica?
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: ShadowDog on May 03, 2008, 11:16:48 AM
I think you and I are pretty much on the same page.

I'm glad you brought up Tyrol because that threw me a little.  After such a dramatic scene last week I would have liked some kind of clarification on his status.  All it would have taken is a 30 second flashback of the ruling from a review board or whatever.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on May 03, 2008, 11:28:54 AM
I hope the minor plot next week also continues, maybe we'll get more info on what happened to Tyrol, the shaved head doing menial tasks thing was just dumped on us.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: Jinto on May 04, 2008, 11:10:32 AM
Some may have already seen this:

http://io9.com/384244/is-battlestar-galactica-full-of-clues (http://io9.com/384244/is-battlestar-galactica-full-of-clues)

If not, it's a few theories about the show. I don't know how good they all really are, but the middle section's speculations about Starbuck are sounding close to the mark. I doubt they'll be spot on, but with the painting mentioned and what Starbuck gets called by a certain someone in the most recent episode (4x05) it's sounding more and more like we'll see something similar to this senario.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: SmilinJackRoss on May 05, 2008, 08:28:29 AM
I was happy with this weeks episode, I'm glad they concentrated on Starbuck's mission, which I think is the crux of where the series is heading right now.  I'm not as interested in the Baltar stuff, but the "search for earth" dovetailing in with a potential cylon alliance is very interesting. 

PS - I missed the first 10 minutes of the show, thankfully scifi has those episodes streaming on their website!
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on May 09, 2008, 10:10:41 PM
Seems every other episode this season totally rocks...

Here's how I read what the hybrid said:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: Jinto on May 10, 2008, 04:28:07 AM
well, so much for the theory that Kara had painted the ship of lights.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on May 10, 2008, 10:12:39 AM
well, so much for the theory that Kara had painted the ship of lights.

I never believed it would be the ship of lights, it wouldn't fit with the style of the show, it was lame in the original series and would be even more lame in this one.

The painting always looked like explosions to me, but I figured it was a battle yet to come, not one that already happened.  But it was one that was in her future when she saw it or was given a vision of it, so that hints at some kind of time travel.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: ShadowDog on May 11, 2008, 09:32:57 PM
Yeah, unlike all my friends who watch this show, I wasn't feeling the whole ship of lights thing so this was fine.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on May 27, 2008, 05:08:49 PM
Episode 8 has been released early I guess.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: BEERxTaco on May 28, 2008, 10:48:35 AM
whaddya mean?  ???
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: DarthChimay on May 28, 2008, 11:39:31 AM
The latest episode has played on SkyTV in the UK, but not here yet. Buggerers.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on May 30, 2008, 09:30:36 PM
Man, did they pack enough into tonight's episode or what?

That's what makes this show so great, let's just change everything in one episode...
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: DarthChimay on May 31, 2008, 01:15:00 PM
Seriously.

You know, a thought just hit me... what if Roslin's not the "dying leader?"
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: MSTJedi on June 01, 2008, 09:35:50 PM
That would be a kick in the pants. Don't know how they'd explain all the shared visions that way.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: SmilinJackRoss on June 02, 2008, 08:21:04 AM
I found the part where Romo was pointing the gun at Lee to be ridiculous.  I couldn't understand what he was so upset about.

I didn't like this episode, I want them to concentrate more on the main story lines, i.e. the Cylon alliance, the search for Earth, Baltar's religious following, etc.  It's not that surprises are bad, but the whole episode seemed out of place.  It doesn't feel like the episodes have much continuity between each other.

You know, a thought just hit me... what if Roslin's not the "dying leader?"

I'm pretty sure they'll be pulling the rug out from under everything they've put in place.  It's going to be something completely unexpected.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on June 02, 2008, 09:01:39 AM
I found the part where Romo was pointing the gun at Lee to be ridiculous.  I couldn't understand what he was so upset about.

I didn't like this episode, I want them to concentrate more on the main story lines, i.e. the Cylon alliance, the search for Earth, Baltar's religious following, etc.  It's not that surprises are bad, but the whole episode seemed out of place.  It doesn't feel like the episodes have much continuity between each other.

You have to listen carefully to what he was saying, and read between the lines also...

I think you have to assume that after Baltar's trial someone killed Romo's cat, and that was the last straw that made him not want humanity to survive, in that frame of mind Lee becoming the president and giving hope to the fleet was not a good thing.

These "setup" episodes are nessesary, so far they have always setup really cool stuff that happens later.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on June 07, 2008, 09:40:05 AM
Any one's thoughts on "The Hub"?

Baltar trying to stir up trouble with the centurions was great, he is such a bastard.  And he no longer has any guilt because he is perfect?  I think they are setting him up to cause a 3rd apocalypse...   He gave Caprica 6 the access she needed to wipe out the colonies, he gave the nuke to the other 6 that kill many and the EM pulse guided the cylons to New Caprica, will he destroy Earth somehow or just the fleet?

So were Laura's visions while jumping foreshadowing the real future or were they just her subconscious trying to stop her from turning completely cold blooded.

Loved the "Adama as Han Solo" at the end...

One more episode until the break, last 10 will be either late fall or next year.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: MSTJedi on June 08, 2008, 09:35:16 PM
It was nice to see some real acknowledgment of the feelings between Adama and Roslin. Yeah, it's a little on the weird side, considering their positions, but at least you don't have to wonder "So are they together or not?" anymore. I know I've been wondering ever since they were on New Caprica. It was funny to hear Adama pull a Han Solo and just say "About time" instead of the "L word".

It was also good to see Baltar get back into the conscienceless bastard role again. The cult leader deal is starting to wear thin for my part, since we all know he's just doing it to try to hold on to some type of power. And for the chicks. I'm not really sure what he was trying to accomplish by "converting" the Centurion. They've already had their "inhibitors" removed. Trying to get them to mutiny is just asking for a disembowelment . . . which is basically how he ended up anyway.

I'm not looking forward to the wait after the next episode. But if that's how they want to do it, the fans are really just along for the ride.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: SmilinJackRoss on June 09, 2008, 01:04:53 PM
Season 4 is the first season I've watched on broadcast TV, the previous 3 seasons I watched on DVD.  I loved the first 3 seasons.  I was able to watch 2, 3, even 4 episodes in a row if I wanted, and I got through each season in a matter of a couple weeks. 

Season 4 is really bothering me, it's twists and turns are boring me, the character motivations baffle me, and the writing is dull.  There's some great ideas in there (Cylon civil war, shared visions, I even like the religious Baltar stuff) but I feel like the execution of these ideas is terrible. 

But I wonder if this is just a by-product of having to wait a week in between episodes.  I wonder if I should've waited for the DVD release so I could take it all in at once.

I'll be sticking with it, but I'm losing interest quickly.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: Compound on June 09, 2008, 02:59:47 PM
Well, the last cylon just got leaked, and it's the last person you'd suspect:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on June 09, 2008, 04:17:18 PM
Well, the last cylon just got leaked, and it's the last person you'd suspect:

YES!  And I do want one....

Just the eye mechanism would be cool to put in stuff...
Title: Now the long wait...
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on June 13, 2008, 11:27:15 PM
Holy Frak!  The mid season shocker shocked me pretty good, I was not expecting that at all.... What do they do now?

I never expected a happy ending for this show but I hope they don't go completely apocalyptic on us, somewhere in the middle would be nice. 

10 episodes left, still no word on if it will be in the fall or early next year. 
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: MSTJedi on June 14, 2008, 10:10:00 AM
Yeah, didn't see that coming. I figured the other Cylons would somehow screw things up, but no . . . the people of Earth did it all on their own. All we needed was Charlton Heston screaming "Damn you all to Hell!"

So where do they go from here? The other Cylons are still out there, of course.

Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on June 14, 2008, 11:06:40 PM
Yeah, didn't see that coming. I figured the other Cylons would somehow screw things up, but no . . . the people of Earth did it all on their own. All we needed was Charlton Heston screaming "Damn you all to Hell!"
So where do they go from here? The other Cylons are still out there, of course.

I think everyone was flashing back to Planet Of The Apes, I was thinking "You Maniacs! You blew it up!".

You know, that "harbinger of death"  line they've been using with Kara was also in POTA....

I can't decide if 10 episodes is too many or too few to wrap this up, they still have to explain Kara and her viper, how someone like Tigh could have been fighting in the first cylon war before the first hybrid was made, what happened on earth, and how (or if) they are going to survive....

I guess they also need to show us if this is a fictional Earth, or if they will try and fit the story into the real Earth time-line.  Since they used the constellations in our sky they have locked themselves into this area, within about a 10 light year sphere, and within about a 10 thousand year time span or stellar drift changes them....
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on June 15, 2008, 07:34:13 AM
This just makes me want that Caprica spin-off even more.  If it had to do with the behind-the-scenes machinations of both the Colonies and the Cylons it could be sort-of X-Files-ish.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: DrForester on June 15, 2008, 10:26:44 AM
My thoughts after watching the last episode.

(http://fatadelic.files.wordpress.com/2007/12/planetofapes.jpg)


In all seriousness, I don't think they're on Earth,  Unlike the season 3 ending, we never got a shot of the planet to identify continents.

We did get this awesome picture though.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

My biggest reason for not thinking they are there yet is Roslyn is still alive.  She set foot on Earth and the prophecy said she wouldn't.  And even if you were to expand and say maybe it wasn't talking about Roslyn, every person who could be seen as the leader was in that final shot.


However, there seems to be some big evidence that they are...

Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on June 15, 2008, 03:39:31 PM
In all seriousness, I don't think they're on Earth,  Unlike the season 3 ending, we never got a shot of the planet to identify continents.
My biggest reason for not thinking they are there yet is Roslyn is still alive.  She set foot on Earth and the prophecy said she wouldn't.  And even if you were to expand and say maybe it wasn't talking about Roslyn, every person who could be seen as the leader was in that final shot.

Like I said above, unless the writers didn't bother to look up even basic astronomy, the 12 constellations would only look as they do from here, maybe at  the next closest star to earth (4 light years away) they might look close, but that's it, no where else would work.

The prophecy says only that the leader will not survive to set foot on the new homeland, it doesn't say anything about what planet is the new homeland...  If Earth is uninhabitable then they will have to go elsewhere.  Cobol seemed like a nice planet, if they can get a few more cylon base ships to join the rebellion they could defend it against the others.  They could fulfill the "this will all happen again" part by starting over on Cobol.

Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: MSTJedi on June 15, 2008, 07:31:04 PM
Isn't there some kind of curse on Kobol, though? You know, bloodshed and all that?
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on June 15, 2008, 08:09:08 PM
Isn't there some kind of curse on Kobol, though? You know, bloodshed and all that?

Not a curse, it was part of the prophecy that people returning there would pay a price in blood, plenty of that has already been spilled....


Title: Re: Now the long wait...
Post by: ShadowDog on June 16, 2008, 03:34:55 AM
My theory is that they're going to travel back in time to save Earth.  Time travel would also explain Tigh since they didn't have Skinjob technology 30 years ago.

10 episodes left, still no word on if it will be in the fall or early next year. 

Everything's been shot already but the indications are the back ten will start in January 2009 so that the SF channel can reap the benefits of the monster ratings in the first quarter of next year.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: RoninFox on June 16, 2008, 06:43:30 AM
This sums it up I think...(I'm more in the handshaking camp, but I did have my moment of leaning the other way.)

(http://www.reallifecomics.com/comics/2008/20080616_2014.png)
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: SmilinJackRoss on June 16, 2008, 07:29:00 AM
Wow, this episode reminded me of why I love this show.  The show has a tendency to fumble about during the middle of the seasons, but they sure do know how to create great season finales. 
Title: Re: Now the long wait...
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on June 16, 2008, 09:01:47 AM
My theory is that they're going to travel back in time to save Earth.  Time travel would also explain Tigh since they didn't have Skinjob technology 30 years ago.

If the show was one or 2 hundred years in our future that would still allow for us to develop Earth based cylons, have them destroy us, and then go find the colonies at the time of their cylon war.  So the 5 would be Earth cylons.

But with all the prophetic stuff that has come true, as well as Kara and her new viper are all hard to explain without some kind of time travel...

10 episodes left, still no word on if it will be in the fall or early next year. 
Everything's been shot already but the indications are the back ten will start in January 2009 so that the SF channel can reap the benefits of the monster ratings in the first quarter of next year.

Most of the web sites that had 2009 as the start have switched to TBA, all the post production should be done by September, so if Sci-Fi needs a boost in the fall they could use the show then.  If caprica is ready to start early next year it would make more sense to run the final 10 before it, but network programmers and common sense are mutually exclusive.  ;D
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: SmilinJackRoss on June 17, 2008, 08:34:53 PM
We did get this awesome picture though.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)


BTW, thanks for the new desktop background.   :)
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: Edward J Grug III on June 17, 2008, 09:04:59 PM
In all seriousness, I don't think they're on Earth,  Unlike the season 3 ending, we never got a shot of the planet to identify continents.
My biggest reason for not thinking they are there yet is Roslyn is still alive.  She set foot on Earth and the prophecy said she wouldn't.  And even if you were to expand and say maybe it wasn't talking about Roslyn, every person who could be seen as the leader was in that final shot.

Like I said above, unless the writers didn't bother to look up even basic astronomy, the 12 constellations would only look as they do from here, maybe at  the next closest star to earth (4 light years away) they might look close, but that's it, no where else would work.

The prophecy says only that the leader will not survive to set foot on the new homeland, it doesn't say anything about what planet is the new homeland...  If Earth is uninhabitable then they will have to go elsewhere.  Cobol seemed like a nice planet, if they can get a few more cylon base ships to join the rebellion they could defend it against the others.  They could fulfill the "this will all happen again" part by starting over on Cobol.



Yeah, it also doesn't say that it IS Roslyn, I think they are gonna pull a switheroo and make it be Baltar.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on June 17, 2008, 11:37:56 PM
The prophecy says only that the leader will not survive to set foot on the new homeland, it doesn't say anything about what planet is the new homeland...  If Earth is uninhabitable then they will have to go elsewhere.  Cobol seemed like a nice planet, if they can get a few more cylon base ships to join the rebellion they could defend it against the others.  They could fulfill the "this will all happen again" part by starting over on Cobol.
Yeah, it also doesn't say that it IS Roslyn, I think they are gonna pull a switheroo and make it be Baltar.

We've seen flashes of Admiral Adama upset over a covered body on what looks like an empty Galactica (just because it was in Roslyn's vision doesn't mean it's her), I think we can assume that is the dead leader, I doubt he would be that upset over a dead Balter.   I could see them pulling something like the map to the next habitable world is in some high radiation zone on what's left of Earth and Lee or Kara go in and get it, but it has to be Roslyn, she still hasn't learned what the hybrid meant by "the truth about the opera house", I'll bet the visions she's been sharing with Caprica, Athena, and Hera have something to do with where they end up.

I guess ratings were up this season, they've extended the big 2 part finale to 3 parts (so 11 episodes next year), and are talking about webisodes and direct to DVD movies...  Stupid Sci-Fi, they should have just committed to 2 more full seasons like the produces asked for so they could wrap things up without being rushed....
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: Edward J Grug III on June 17, 2008, 11:43:11 PM
The prophecy says only that the leader will not survive to set foot on the new homeland, it doesn't say anything about what planet is the new homeland...  If Earth is uninhabitable then they will have to go elsewhere.  Cobol seemed like a nice planet, if they can get a few more cylon base ships to join the rebellion they could defend it against the others.  They could fulfill the "this will all happen again" part by starting over on Cobol.
Yeah, it also doesn't say that it IS Roslyn, I think they are gonna pull a switheroo and make it be Baltar.

We've seen flashes of Admiral Adama upset over a covered body on what looks like an empty Galactica (just because it was in Roslyn's vision doesn't mean it's her), I think we can assume that is the dead leader, I doubt he would be that upset over a dead Balter. 

There's plenty of time to redeem Baltar, though I did also think Lee was a possibility.

I'm just saying that it's a show that rarely takes the path you expect it to.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: BEERxTaco on June 19, 2008, 12:56:33 PM
Okay, what if the timeline is still way in "our" past, and they aren't on Earth at all, and those pictures don't show what everyone seems to "think" they show... I mean it's desolation, but it could be on Mars the planet that used to be where the asteroid belt is now that was destroyed in a war with the Cylons for all we know, right? .... right? Could be....
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: RoninFox on June 19, 2008, 03:05:58 PM
Okay, what if the timeline is still way in "our" past, and they aren't on Earth at all, and those pictures don't show what everyone seems to "think" they show... I mean it's desolation, but it could be on Mars the planet that used to be where the asteroid belt is now that was destroyed in a war with the Cylons for all we know, right? .... right? Could be....

Over that distance, the constellations would still look the same, I'm not sure how habitable a planet that far from the sun would be though.  Still its an interesting theory.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on June 19, 2008, 03:21:49 PM
Okay, what if the timeline is still way in "our" past, and they aren't on Earth at all, and those pictures don't show what everyone seems to "think" they show... I mean it's desolation, but it could be on Mars the planet that used to be where the asteroid belt is now that was destroyed in a war with the Cylons for all we know, right? .... right? Could be....

That would be an interesting twist.  Hopefully the writers went into the future to view this post.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on June 19, 2008, 05:39:53 PM
Okay, what if the timeline is still way in "our" past, and they aren't on Earth at all, and those pictures don't show what everyone seems to "think" they show... I mean it's desolation, but it could be on Mars the planet that used to be where the asteroid belt is now that was destroyed in a war with the Cylons for all we know, right? .... right? Could be....

So how/why does it get blown up?  It's a frak'n wasteland already (at least the part we saw), what would be the reason to blow it up more to create the asteroid belt?

Just accept it, the wasteland planet is Earth, what curve balls they will throw at us for WHEN they arrived is really the question....

With all the politics and social commentary this show has been putting out there, global catastrophe in our near future is just the kind of thing they would use.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: MSTJedi on June 20, 2008, 02:03:54 PM
At least they didn't go with the present-day Earth possibility (a la Galactica 1980). That would've just been too ridiculous for me to take.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: DarthChimay on June 20, 2008, 02:33:56 PM
At least they didn't go with the present-day Earth possibility (a la Galactica 1980). That would've just been too ridiculous for me to take.

I dunno.. I might watch it if they ended up on Earth in the '80s. Just thinkin' about Adama's first visceral reaction to leg warmers might be totally worth it. And then to watch Lee grow out his mullet? Hotness.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: BathTub on June 22, 2008, 05:05:37 PM
I think they are on earth, about 4-5000 years into the future, the rest of the show will be about the last cylon leading them to the remnants of the 13th tribe, where-ever they ended up after earth got irradiated.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on August 11, 2008, 10:34:50 AM
This is up on the Sci-Fi website now:

Quote
SCI FI Channel announced that it will air a new Battlestar Galactica two-hour prequel movie, set to air in 2009 following the conclusion of the series.

Directed by star Edward James Olmos, the as-yet-untitled new film will be set before the events of the original Battlestar miniseries and will focus on Cylons: Number One, known as Cavil (Dean Stockwell), resistance leader Sam T. Anders (Michael Trucco) and Chief Galen Tyrol (Aaron Douglas).

In the beginning, the Cylons had a plan, but it didn't account for one thing: survivors. During the chaotic aftermath of the nuclear destruction, two powerful Cylon agents struggle with plots and priorities on the human ships that got away and among the resistance fighters who were left behind.

The film will be written by Jane Espenson and will begin shooting in Vancouver, Canada, at the end of the summer. After airing on SCI FI, it will be released on DVD by Universal Studios Home Entertainment.

The final 10 episodes of the fourth and last season of Battlestar Galactica will begin airing on SCI FI Channel in 2009. 


I thought the finale was extended to 2 episodes?  Probably they will not call it 11 episodes for the same reason they split the "seasons" in half, so they can effectively get 2 seasons but pay for 1.

So we get nothing in the fall, I'm guessing this will air fall 2009 to get some ratings when they have nothing else anyone wants to watch.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: Tron on August 11, 2008, 03:09:16 PM
If they don't explain how the whole fleet lost power at the end of season 3 it will be a very big disappointment.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on August 11, 2008, 09:56:55 PM
If they don't explain how the whole fleet lost power at the end of season 3 it will be a very big disappointment.

Yes, there was a lot of stuff that happened at the nebula that needs explanation, they have to explain what happened to Starbuck, where the music the final 4 were hearing came from, and the power loss that killed all their FTL drives...   A bunch of it should come out when they explain Starbuck.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: BathTub on August 16, 2008, 04:33:47 PM
New song!

http://www.thefump.com/embedded_player.swf?fumpID=1079
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on August 16, 2008, 04:42:32 PM
New song!

http://www.thefump.com/embedded_player.swf?fumpID=1079

That is hilarious!   :clap:

They got a lot in there, you really have to know the series to get all the jokes.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: kodiakthejuggler on September 04, 2008, 08:25:57 AM
According to Sci-Fi, the show will return in January 09.  http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?id=59372

WHEW!!

All this waiting is beginning to wear me away...
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: BEERxTaco on September 04, 2008, 12:28:35 PM
Yeah and in case you missed it,

Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on September 04, 2008, 12:33:04 PM
'doh, spoiler that please!   :-[
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: BEERxTaco on September 05, 2008, 10:01:28 AM
Crap, sorry, wasn't thinking!
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: MSTJedi on September 05, 2008, 10:13:38 AM
New song!

http://www.thefump.com/embedded_player.swf?fumpID=1079

"Frak me! . . . Frak me! . . . Frak meeeee!"

Was that the theme from the original BSG series during the solo?

Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on September 05, 2008, 04:18:01 PM
New song!

http://www.thefump.com/embedded_player.swf?fumpID=1079

"Frak me! . . . Frak me! . . . Frak meeeee!"

Was that the theme from the original BSG series during the solo?

Yes.

Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: SmilinJackRoss on November 11, 2008, 12:00:17 PM
According to Sci-Fi, the show will return in January 09.  http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?id=59372

WHEW!!

All this waiting is beginning to wear me away...

Newest rumor is that the last half of season 4 premieres on Friday, Jan. 16, at 10 p.m.
http://ausiellofiles.ew.com/2008/10/ask-ausiello--1.html

And after the series ends, it will supposedly be followed by a 2 hour "special event" (aka TV movie) titled The Plan.  Which is a prequel of sorts I guess.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on November 11, 2008, 05:15:24 PM
According to Sci-Fi, the show will return in January 09.  http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?id=59372

WHEW!!

All this waiting is beginning to wear me away...

Newest rumor is that the last half of season 4 premieres on Friday, Jan. 16, at 10 p.m.
http://ausiellofiles.ew.com/2008/10/ask-ausiello--1.html

And after the series ends, it will supposedly be followed by a 2 hour "special event" (aka TV movie) titled The Plan.  Which is a prequel of sorts I guess.

Not really a prequel, from what I gather it's supposed to be more about what happened after the attack on the colonies but before the cylons started chasing after the fleet.  Sort of a bridge between the mini series and the series.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on November 11, 2008, 05:23:45 PM
Is that Caprica show still coming out, or did that get canned?
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on November 11, 2008, 05:45:50 PM
Is that Caprica show still coming out, or did that get canned?

I haven't seen any news on that since the summer, it was supposed to start shooting early next year so it could be on the air next fall.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: SmilinJackRoss on November 12, 2008, 08:14:50 AM
Newest rumor is that the last half of season 4 premieres on Friday, Jan. 16, at 10 p.m.

And the Lost season premiere is only 5 days later.  I think my head is gonna asplode that week.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: Rude on November 12, 2008, 02:18:00 PM
...

Battlestar Galactica. Hmmm... yeah that sounds vaguely familiar. I sort of remember watching that show like, about a million years ago. It had something to do with a Counter Terrorist Unit fighting a group called The Others out in space or something, right?

Seriously though, i can't wait... for all those shows to start up again! w00t!

-Rude
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on November 12, 2008, 02:45:35 PM
I hope the Smoke Monster finally kills those frakkin' cylon bastards!
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: dangfish on November 12, 2008, 07:27:07 PM
I hope the Smoke Monster finally kills those frakkin' cylon bastards!

I think Ben is a cylon.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: DarthChimay on November 14, 2008, 02:43:55 PM
I hope the Smoke Monster finally kills those frakkin' cylon bastards!

I think Ben is a cylon.

Whatever. The final Cylon is Rerun.

(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i88/abulafia24/reruncylon.jpg)
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on December 03, 2008, 05:08:41 PM
http://www.thrfeed.com/2008/12/caprica-series.html (http://www.thrfeed.com/2008/12/caprica-series.html)
Quote
Sci Fi Channel has given the long-gestating "Battlestar Galactica" prequel "Caprica" a series order.

The network has made a significant commitment to the project, ordering 20 hours, including a two-hour pilot. Cast members include Eric Stoltz ("Milk," "Chicago Hope"), Esai Morales ("Jericho," "NYPD Blue"), Paula Malcomson ("Deadwood," "ER") and Polly Walker ("Cane," "Rome").
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: Rude on December 03, 2008, 06:56:34 PM
...

God, that Caprica series sounds lame. I'm not sure who thought that going straight for a soap opera would be a great idea. Without the Cylon threat you basically have Dallas In Space. Who cares about the Adama family's problems?

-Rude
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: RVR II on December 03, 2008, 07:06:31 PM
And what's the deal following Star Wars & Star Trek with 'Prequel-vision' ???

Gotta go 'back in time' to explain sh*t .. ::)
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on December 03, 2008, 07:08:27 PM
I blame Star Wars for all this prequel crap.  If Lucas would have just started with episode 1...
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: kodiakthejuggler on December 04, 2008, 08:36:08 AM
If they really wanted to throw a wrench into the Adama clan's gears, they should have Lee just talk in his real accent. No more of that fake wussy American voice.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: MSTJedi on December 04, 2008, 06:42:27 PM
If they really wanted to throw a wrench into the Adama clan's gears, they should have Lee just talk in his real accent. No more of that fake wussy American voice.

Or they could have Baltar speak in his real accent. Oh wait, they did that during the trial episodes . . .
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: DarthChimay on December 05, 2008, 11:58:05 AM
I blame Star Wars for all this prequel crap.  If Lucas would have just started with episode 1...

Lucas could never have started with Ep. 1. Not because the technology wasn't there, but rather because no one would have ever wanted to see the following 5 episodes OR Ewoks: The Battle for Endor.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on December 05, 2008, 12:03:39 PM
I blame Star Wars for all this prequel crap.  If Lucas would have just started with episode 1...

Lucas could never have started with Ep. 1. Not because the technology wasn't there, but rather because no one would have ever wanted to see the following 5 episodes OR Ewoks: The Battle for Endor.

I would have watched Episode 5 and that's it.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: RVR II on December 05, 2008, 12:08:18 PM
I blame Star Wars for all this prequel crap.  If Lucas would have just started with episode 1...

Lucas could never have started with Ep. 1. Not because the technology wasn't there, but rather because no one would have ever wanted to see the following 5 episodes OR Ewoks: The Battle for Endor.

I would have watched Episode 5 and that's it.
Episode 4 & 6 were plenty for me.. :-X
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on December 05, 2008, 12:14:54 PM
I blame Star Wars for all this prequel crap.  If Lucas would have just started with episode 1...

Lucas could never have started with Ep. 1. Not because the technology wasn't there, but rather because no one would have ever wanted to see the following 5 episodes OR Ewoks: The Battle for Endor.

I would have watched Episode 5 and that's it.
Episode 4 & 6 were plenty for me.. :-X

You're gay.  Just admit it!
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: RVR II on December 05, 2008, 12:17:24 PM
I blame Star Wars for all this prequel crap.  If Lucas would have just started with episode 1...

Lucas could never have started with Ep. 1. Not because the technology wasn't there, but rather because no one would have ever wanted to see the following 5 episodes OR Ewoks: The Battle for Endor.

I would have watched Episode 5 and that's it.
Episode 4 & 6 were plenty for me.. :-X

You're gay.  Just admit it!
You shut your Pie Hole!! :grr:
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on December 05, 2008, 12:26:28 PM
I blame Star Wars for all this prequel crap.  If Lucas would have just started with episode 1...

Lucas could never have started with Ep. 1. Not because the technology wasn't there, but rather because no one would have ever wanted to see the following 5 episodes OR Ewoks: The Battle for Endor.

I would have watched Episode 5 and that's it.
Episode 4 & 6 were plenty for me.. :-X

You're gay.  Just admit it!
You shut your Pie Hole!! :grr:

You want to make it with an Ewok.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: RVR II on December 05, 2008, 12:28:26 PM
I blame Star Wars for all this prequel crap.  If Lucas would have just started with episode 1...

Lucas could never have started with Ep. 1. Not because the technology wasn't there, but rather because no one would have ever wanted to see the following 5 episodes OR Ewoks: The Battle for Endor.

I would have watched Episode 5 and that's it.
Episode 4 & 6 were plenty for me.. :-X

You're gay.  Just admit it!
You shut your Pie Hole!! :grr:

You want to make it with an Ewok.
Don't Make me shove that Death Star up your Corn Hole!! :-X
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on December 05, 2008, 12:38:00 PM
I blame Star Wars for all this prequel crap.  If Lucas would have just started with episode 1...

Lucas could never have started with Ep. 1. Not because the technology wasn't there, but rather because no one would have ever wanted to see the following 5 episodes OR Ewoks: The Battle for Endor.

I would have watched Episode 5 and that's it.
Episode 4 & 6 were plenty for me.. :-X

You're gay.  Just admit it!
You shut your Pie Hole!! :grr:

You want to make it with an Ewok.
Don't Make me shove that Death Star up your Corn Hole!! :-X

You'd like that wouldn't you?  You call it your Death Star?
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: RVR II on December 05, 2008, 12:39:18 PM
I blame Star Wars for all this prequel crap.  If Lucas would have just started with episode 1...

Lucas could never have started with Ep. 1. Not because the technology wasn't there, but rather because no one would have ever wanted to see the following 5 episodes OR Ewoks: The Battle for Endor.

I would have watched Episode 5 and that's it.
Episode 4 & 6 were plenty for me.. :-X

You're gay.  Just admit it!
You shut your Pie Hole!! :grr:

You want to make it with an Ewok.
Don't Make me shove that Death Star up your Corn Hole!! :-X

You'd like that wouldn't you?  You call it your Death Star?
Heh heh.. Yeah ;D
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: Sideswipe on December 05, 2008, 12:41:12 PM
What the hell?  I thought this was about Battlestar Galactica, not people shoving random objects up others cornholes.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: RVR II on December 05, 2008, 12:43:50 PM
What the hell?  I thought this was about Battlestar Galactica, not people shoving random objects up others cornholes.
You're just jealous cause you weren't included :P
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: Sideswipe on December 05, 2008, 01:00:17 PM
no I'm not.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on December 05, 2008, 01:08:02 PM
It's cool. Everybody is a little gay.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: Sideswipe on December 05, 2008, 01:11:48 PM
Well, enjoy getting cornholed then.  Its not my thing, but hey, if you like it then more power to you brother.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on December 05, 2008, 01:15:33 PM
Well, enjoy getting cornholed then.  Its not my thing, but hey, if you like it then more power to you brother.

Ok homo-erotic titanic buddy.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: DarthChimay on December 05, 2008, 04:00:45 PM
What the hell?  I thought this was about Battlestar Galactica, not people shoving random objects up others cornholes.

Well, there is a rumor that in the new webisodes, 2 Galactica crew members that are well-known will come out. My money is on Lt. GAE-ta (tee hee) and "Hot Dog" (double tee-hee).
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: SmilinJackRoss on December 05, 2008, 04:06:09 PM
is there a planned release date for those new webisodes?
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: DarthChimay on December 05, 2008, 05:49:16 PM
is there a planned release date for those new webisodes?

Couldn't find the exact date, but they start this month. And the happy couple has already been revealed.

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Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: DarthChimay on December 12, 2008, 03:31:55 PM
The first webisode hit today.

http://www.scifi.com/ (http://www.scifi.com/)

Don't forget, this episode has
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Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on December 12, 2008, 03:44:44 PM
It's what the fans want.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: MSTJedi on December 12, 2008, 07:05:48 PM
It's what the fans want.

I wasn't necessarily looking forward to it.

Not that there's anything wrong with that . . . just seems a little superfluous. Like Rowling shoehorning in that Dumbledore was gay after she'd already finished the series and killed him off.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on December 12, 2008, 07:07:02 PM
It's what the fans want.

I wasn't necessarily looking forward to it.

Not that there's anything wrong with that . . . just seems a little superfluous. Like Rowling shoehorning in that Dumbledore was gay after she'd already finished the series and killed him off.

That was a joke, or maybe not.  I don't know anymore.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: MSTJedi on December 12, 2008, 07:33:29 PM
Don't worry, I did pick up on the sarcasm. I just decided to see your sarcasm and raise by pointing out the silliness of the particular plot twist.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on December 12, 2008, 07:53:46 PM
Good work.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: kodiakthejuggler on December 13, 2008, 08:12:17 AM
It's cool. Everybody is a little gay.

Apparently, Gaeta is...

and Dumbledore's being gay had absolutely nothing to do with the story, so Rowling's spilling of that little nugget will be forgotten in the long run.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: DarthChimay on December 13, 2008, 01:49:00 PM
It's what the fans want.

I wasn't necessarily looking forward to it.

Not that there's anything wrong with that . . . just seems a little superfluous. Like Rowling shoehorning in that Dumbledore was gay after she'd already finished the series and killed him off.

I kind of wonder if this isn't from Moore's old ST:TNG days. They always took flack for not having a gay sci-fi character because Trek supposedly trailblazed in terms of races in so many ways over it's history. Then again, I'm also glad that it isn't really made mention of, that it almost does seem superfluous and so... normal.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: Sideswipe on December 13, 2008, 02:15:00 PM
There was an episode written for TNG called "Blood and Fire" that never produced and was going to be about a gay couple and it was supposed to have a disease that was a parrallel to AIDS in it.  The guys from Star Trek New Voyages actually made the episode though.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: DarthChimay on December 13, 2008, 02:20:32 PM
Yeah. I remember hearing about that episode. There was an article about gay sci-fi on Salon.com not too long ago. Yet, they never seemed to realize that captain from Voyager was a dude. ZING!
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: SmilinJackRoss on January 14, 2009, 10:49:25 AM
Now that Face of the Enemy is complete, what did you guys think? 

I thought it was interesting how they brought back that scene with Gaita & Blatar when he stabs him in the neck.  We now know what he whispered to him in that scene.

And here's a tiny snippet of an upcoming episode (spoiler free):

http://www.youtube.com/v/ASTmWNHCf_8
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: DarthChimay on January 16, 2009, 10:19:42 AM
So, last night I re-watched Revelations and it got me thinking about who the final Cylon might be and it struck me...

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Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on January 16, 2009, 12:09:13 PM
So, last night I re-watched Revelations and it got me thinking about who the final Cylon might be and it struck me...

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Nice theory except:
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Heads up if you are recording tonight, the premiere is supposedly running 3 1/2 minutes long, so set your recorders accordingly....
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: Rude on January 16, 2009, 12:17:35 PM
...

I went to make that change the other night, and noticed that i never actually finished watching last season. I guess that i just got so frustrated at the thought of waiting over a year for the new episodes that i just gave up or something. Well... that combined with the fact that the last four Cylons seemed like a bad joke done on a dare. But anyway, there they were on my DVR!

I like to save up a buncha' episodes for marathon sessions. So i'm waiting on shows like 24 and LOST to get ahead of me. But it looks like i can start watching BSG right away now! w00t!

-Rude
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: iv3rdawG on January 16, 2009, 12:36:22 PM
Yay, tonight! I only have "Revelations" to watch and I'll be done with my re-watching.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on January 16, 2009, 09:46:24 PM
Well, that was fracked up....  Everything said about earth made no sense, unless it isn't our earth, you know they have not showed us a good view of the continents...   My new theory: they'll find another planet and call it earth, and we are their descendants....

But all my guesses about this show have been wrong so it's probably something way more complicated.

Later,
 Marty
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: DarthChimay on January 16, 2009, 11:05:11 PM
I loved
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Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on January 16, 2009, 11:18:21 PM
I loved
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I think we might need an open spoiler thread for BSG....

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Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: iv3rdawG on January 17, 2009, 08:33:55 AM
Kind of surprised that the 5th was
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. Not the greatest episode, but not bad at all. I'm looking forward to the rest. All the characters looked like hell last night though.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on January 17, 2009, 12:10:51 PM
It was a GREAT episode.  They're finally back to season 1 standards.
I love how this show gets rid of reoccurring characters.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: DarthChimay on January 17, 2009, 12:27:03 PM
Yeah... watching
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was heart-breaking and really painful. I knew it was going to happen as soon as she got on the Raptor and pulled herself together. I thought she was gonna do it earlier and take Hera with her.

And I'm very excited about the Zareck stuff, but I love Zareck and I keep hoping and praying he'll be the final, 13th Cylon along with Dirk Benedict. Maybe they'll meet and meld together, like some sort of Cylon Voltron.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: SmilinJackRoss on January 17, 2009, 02:56:20 PM
I'm not entirely convinced that Starbuck really found

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Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: DarthChimay on January 17, 2009, 03:42:52 PM
I was thinking the exact same thing, since, you know, all of this has happened before...
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on January 17, 2009, 07:10:35 PM
I'm not entirely convinced that Starbuck really found

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Just listened to the podcast:
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He said the writers strike happed just as they started filming this, so the actors were on their own during shooting as far as any changes they wanted, and there was the possibility that the show would not come back after the strike so it might be their last show, so a lot of the emotions on screen were real.

Not one if his best podcasts, probably how it will go with these final shows considering they were filmed last spring.

Later,
 Marty
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: BEERxTaco on January 19, 2009, 11:56:43 AM
Well it seems to me that

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I also think that Leoben is

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That would explain how Starbuck could have been regenerated (maybe).
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: DarthChimay on January 19, 2009, 05:55:44 PM
I also think that Leoben is

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You know, the writers of BSG go some pretty dark places, but it's hard for me to imagine them getting into incest.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: iv3rdawG on January 19, 2009, 06:12:31 PM
So have we discussed that
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Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on January 19, 2009, 06:15:43 PM
Well it seems to me that
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Timing is not right:
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Later,
 Marty
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: MSTJedi on January 20, 2009, 08:53:34 AM
All I can say is . . . man, I'm glad BSG is back!

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Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on January 20, 2009, 11:44:41 AM
All I can say is . . . man, I'm glad BSG is back!

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Yea, there was some serious acting going on by the old men in this episode....

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Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: iv3rdawG on January 20, 2009, 12:41:43 PM
So have we discussed that
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??
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on January 20, 2009, 02:32:16 PM
So have we discussed that
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??

God I hope not.  That's Soap Opera lame.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: MSTJedi on January 20, 2009, 02:53:47 PM
So have we discussed that
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??

God I hope not.  That's Soap Opera lame.

It's not like they haven't gone there before. I hope they don't fritter away their final episodes on such nonsense, though.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: Bob on January 23, 2009, 06:00:34 AM
I had missed all of last season due to my TIVO unit fracking up, fortunately, the Universal HD channel had a marathon of last season shows a couple weeks ago, so I had them all on my TIVO.   In the past few days I watched all of them, then watched the season premier last night.

WOW.

I have no clue what is going on, or what is going to happen,  but I cannot wait.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: Bob on January 23, 2009, 06:23:23 AM
Also, I noticed from watching the credits that Jane Espenson (of Buffy and Angel fame) become exec producer.   No wonder the show was so great last season.

I have HIGH hopes for the final 9 episodes.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: DarthChimay on January 23, 2009, 10:40:07 AM
Jane is my hero.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: Bob on January 23, 2009, 12:50:49 PM
Oh, and she WROTE several of the episodes too.

This will rock.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: MSTJedi on January 23, 2009, 04:52:27 PM
Not really familiar with the name, but very familiar with her work. Good to see a Buffy/Angel veteran on the job.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on January 23, 2009, 08:27:20 PM
Tonights episode was mostly setup, looks like things are going to get real nasty.

Eddy Olmos said the last episodes would be hard to watch, he wasn't kidding.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: DarthChimay on January 23, 2009, 10:10:00 PM
I have to say, while I'm glad to see that Adama finally, uh, landed his Viper in Roslin's hangar bay, all I could think about was Futurama, when Frye found those two elephant skin rugs... Does that make me a bad person?
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: MSTJedi on January 25, 2009, 07:30:45 PM
Not quite as dramatic of an episode this time, but it's setting up some serious shit.

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Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: iv3rdawG on January 25, 2009, 07:40:06 PM
HOT DOG
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: MSTJedi on January 26, 2009, 07:25:16 AM
HOT DOG

Apparently someone thought he was . . .  :rimshot:
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: iv3rdawG on January 26, 2009, 08:41:25 AM
:gouge:
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on January 26, 2009, 10:11:54 AM
Not quite as dramatic of an episode this time, but it's setting up some serious shit.

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I think this has been a long time coming
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Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: Rude on January 26, 2009, 11:45:18 AM
...

Don't miss out on the BSG Firesale! Everything must go: http://www.battlestarprops.com/

-Rude
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: DarthChimay on January 26, 2009, 01:15:29 PM
Huh... I don't see any Number Eights for sale... or Number Ones... bummer.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: kodiakthejuggler on January 26, 2009, 01:18:27 PM
I have to say, while I'm glad to see that Adama finally, uh, landed his Viper in Roslin's hangar bay, all I could think about was Futurama, when Frye found those two elephant skin rugs... Does that make me a bad person?

Even this very bland innuendo can't get the image out of my head!!!  I'm still hurting from that one.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: Bob on January 26, 2009, 01:46:45 PM
Huh... I don't see any Number Eights for sale... or Number Ones... bummer.

Damn, I was hoping for my own Boomer.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: Rude on January 27, 2009, 02:23:16 PM
...

So what did the Cylon fleet know about the Final Five before D'Anna's visions, again? I've been out of the loop for awhile. But for some reason it just feels like, wherever they're heading with all of this, it isn't going to fit nicely into what has already been established. I think there's going to be some slimy ret-conning coming up.

Here's hoping that Dirk Benedict wakes up in the last episode, and it was all a dream a' la Newhart.  :D

-Rude
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: Tripe on January 27, 2009, 04:32:53 PM
Will Laurette Spang, Maren Jensen or Richard Hatch be in bed beside him?
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: Doctor Who? on January 27, 2009, 04:36:38 PM
Now I have only finished the first half of season four but I have to say I think I am going to end up rating old BSG as a better show then new BSG.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on January 27, 2009, 11:49:54 PM
Now I have only finished the first half of season four but I have to say I think I am going to end up rating old BSG as a better show then new BSG.

Have you watched those old episodes recently?  I had forgotten how well it started out, but went downhill so fast all I could remember was how bad it was at the end...  I'd rate the best of the old show as equal to an average episode of the new, and when the new one is at its best it blows away almost every other show, but of course there have been some bad episodes.

Remains to be seen how things get wrapped up, I liked the beginnings of the explanation for where the 5 came from, need a lot more...   Ron says all the big questions will be answered, but not every little thread will be tied up.

I wouldn't count on a very happy ending coming from these writers....

Later,
 Marty
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: Doctor Who? on January 28, 2009, 09:15:28 AM
But here is my thing even when the old show was bad at least it was cheesily bad not I want to pull my own teeth out bad

Also I am sick of Tv shows and movie having sad ending for no other point then the writers think it make the story deep.

Sorry just prefer  cheesy bad things to depressing bad things.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on January 31, 2009, 01:17:21 AM
But here is my thing even when the old show was bad at least it was cheesily bad not I want to pull my own teeth out bad

Also I am sick of Tv shows and movie having sad ending for no other point then the writers think it make the story deep.

Sorry just prefer  cheesy bad things to depressing bad things.

Ahh, you're talking bad as in sad or depressing, and not bad acting or such...

Well, you probably are not enjoying what happened tonight, darn 2 parter....

My new theory:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Later,
 Marty
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on January 31, 2009, 05:55:48 AM
Anybody else reminded of Space Mutiny when Felix Gaeta was rubbing his leg and talking mutiny plans with Zarak.
I think they might have copyright lawsuit on their hands.   :D
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: Doctor Who? on January 31, 2009, 08:38:15 AM
But here is my thing even when the old show was bad at least it was cheesily bad not I want to pull my own teeth out bad

Also I am sick of Tv shows and movie having sad ending for no other point then the writers think it make the story deep.

Sorry just prefer  cheesy bad things to depressing bad things.

Ahh, you're talking bad as in sad or depressing, and not bad acting or such...

Well, you probably are not enjoying what happened tonight, darn 2 parter....

My new theory:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Later,
 Marty

Yeah i didn't mean to say that the show was badly made or badly acted just that I find it kind of depressing and I have to be in a certain mood,I can enjoy old BSG when I am in any mood.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: MSTJedi on January 31, 2009, 11:57:31 AM
Okay . . . from a not-so-action-packed episode to edge-of-your-seat territory.

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Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: DarthChimay on January 31, 2009, 12:55:35 PM
Such an awesome ep... but...

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Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on January 31, 2009, 08:30:58 PM
Such an awesome ep... but...

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Later,
 Marty
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: SmilinJackRoss on February 02, 2009, 07:44:32 AM
RE: everyone
screw spoilers in this thread, Let's assume everyone reading this thread has seen the show.

Not that I want Adama to die (I definitely don't) but I like the idea of him being executed, and then Roslyn going on a revenge spree against those who did it.  Her whole "I"M COMING FOR ALL OF YOU" line is awesome, and I'd love it if they went that direction.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: MSTJedi on February 02, 2009, 08:46:50 AM
RE: everyone
screw spoilers in this thread, Let's assume everyone reading this thread has seen the show.

Not that I want Adama to die (I definitely don't) but I like the idea of him being executed, and then Roslyn going on a revenge spree against those who did it.  Her whole "I"M COMING FOR ALL OF YOU" line is awesome, and I'd love it if they went that direction.

I suppose the no spoilers rule makes sense. Someone needs to put it in the title, though.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: SmilinJackRoss on February 02, 2009, 09:34:40 AM
I think kodiak would have to change it, since he's the thread starter.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: kodiakthejuggler on February 02, 2009, 11:51:51 AM
I think kodiak would have to change it, since he's the thread starter.

Good idea. If you haven't seen the show, shame on you. Revealing spoilers wouldn't make sense to you anyway.

Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on February 02, 2009, 12:22:08 PM
I think kodiak would have to change it, since he's the thread starter.
Good idea. If you haven't seen the show, shame on you. Revealing spoilers wouldn't make sense to you anyway.

Thanks for changing the title.

In the podcast Ron said they made the decision that Tyrols baby was not his a while ago, just because there's some reason that it's important that Hera is the only human-cylon hybrid.

With all that's been going on it's easy to overlook all the little Hera moments that have been slipped into the show.



Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: Rude on February 05, 2009, 09:47:50 AM
...

Ha, ha, ha!!!

Battlestar Galactica Toaster (http://cgi.ebay.com/BATTLESTAR-Galactica-CYLON-FRAK-OFF-TOASTER-PROP-NEW_W0QQitemZ300288296663QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item300288296663&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318%7C301%3A0%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50)

...  :D ...

-Rude
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: MSTJedi on February 05, 2009, 03:56:25 PM
...

Ha, ha, ha!!!

Battlestar Galactica Toaster (http://cgi.ebay.com/BATTLESTAR-Galactica-CYLON-FRAK-OFF-TOASTER-PROP-NEW_W0QQitemZ300288296663QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item300288296663&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318%7C301%3A0%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50)

...  :D ...

-Rude

Now that . . . is awesome. Doubt my wife would agree, though.

Plus the last thing I need is the kids running around the house telling each other to "frak off".
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: SmilinJackRoss on February 05, 2009, 03:58:11 PM
I'm surprised the toast doesn't come out with the corners notched off...
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: Bob on February 05, 2009, 04:02:39 PM
I'm surprised the toast doesn't come out with the corners notched off...

 :D
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: DarthChimay on February 05, 2009, 04:18:56 PM
I am glad that neither of the toasters looks like a person... or some bit of anatomy of a person...
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: iv3rdawG on February 06, 2009, 05:44:25 PM
Universal Home Video has announced Caprica which stars Eric Stoltz, Esai Morales, and Paula Malcomson. The feature length prequel to “Battlestar Galactica" will be available to own from the 21st April, and should retail at around $26.98. Extras will include a commentary with Director Jeffrey Reiner and Executive Producer/Writer Ronald D. Moore and Executive Producer David Eick, deleted scenes, and video blogs (What the Frak is Caprica?, The Director’s Process, The V Club, The Birth of a Cylon).

Synopsis:

Set 50 years before Battlestar Galactica, Caprica follows two rival families and their patriarchs – Daniel Graystone (Eric Stoltz) and Joseph Adama (Esai Morales) – as they compete and thrive in the vibrant world of the 12 Colonies, a society recognizably close to our own. Enmeshed in the burgeoning technology of artificial intelligence and robotics that will eventually lead to the creation of the Cylons, the two houses go toe-to-toe blending action with corporate conspiracy and sexual politics.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on February 06, 2009, 08:31:31 PM
 Well, tonights episode was great.

I knew when the Quarum deligates were all killed that Zarek was finnished, no trial, just gone, although I was almost expecting Adama to shoot him as soon as he saw him...

We got to see the FTL drive on Galactica, way cool.

 Still a few lose ends to tie up, did Anders survive, what did Tyrol see (cracks in the FTL, Galactica might be out of commision?)

 Preview for next week show looks wild.

Later,
 Marty
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: SmilinJackRoss on February 07, 2009, 06:59:10 AM
It was nice to get out of the "woe is me" shoe-gazing of the first few episodes and back to some serious ass-kicking.  I loved it when Starbuck smashed that guys face into the wall while he was peeing.  Just brutal.

Oh, and I must say that I HATE IT when they show a critical plot detail, but then quickly cut to someone waking up, with the whole "it was just a dream!" punchline.  It's so cheap.  it's lazy screenwriting.  It's the equivalent of your friend saying "hey, look over there!" and then punching you in the balls.  Sure, it's a surprise, but it's not clever, funny, or entertaining.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: MSTJedi on February 07, 2009, 10:20:36 AM
Loved it. While I almost felt bad for whiny little Gaeta, it's good to see Zarek finally get his. What's with all the Galactica crew changing sides willy-nilly? Whoever seemed to have the upper hand was able to recruit the guys with the guns. A little confusing.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on February 07, 2009, 11:04:27 AM
Oh, and I must say that I HATE IT when they show a critical plot detail, but then quickly cut to someone waking up, with the whole "it was just a dream!" punchline.  It's so cheap.  it's lazy screenwriting.  It's the equivalent of your friend saying "hey, look over there!" and then punching you in the balls.  Sure, it's a surprise, but it's not clever, funny, or entertaining.

I'll agree with you on that one, that was somewhat cheap, they could have used something else to make Baltar feel guilty for running away again.  It's like they put that in just for the previews and ads for the show.

I am glad they let us see that Lee and Kara had already stopped the execution before Zarek told Roslyn that the execution had happened, it let you enjoy watching her give that awesome threatening speech instead of feeling depressed about it.

Later,
 Marty
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: Bob on February 07, 2009, 12:36:40 PM
Wow, that was a GREAT episode (finally watched it today)!    :clap:

I hate to say this, but the Quaram getting shot was great for me cuz I HATED them and their petulant ways.

The firing squad at the end and Felix's character were quite something.   That was some damned good acting.

Glad to see the Ex-O in ass kicking mode as he must have been a bad ass his entire career.

I cannot believe there are only a handful of episodes left.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: DarthChimay on February 07, 2009, 03:12:42 PM
I thought this ranks as one of the greatest episodes thus far. I mean, putting this one and the previous one together rivals the Pegasus episodes for my affection. Holy toledo, it was just a roller-coaster. I didn't mind the whole "it was just a dream thing" because it was, what, a minute of the show total? If the entire thing had been a dream (or if the entire series is a dream and Stands With a Fist wakes up in bed next to Kevin Costner in the final shot), then I'd be pissed... well, more than pissed. I'd never watch the show again. But it was neat seeing Adama get blown away like that.

Only 6 more to go.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on February 07, 2009, 06:31:52 PM
I thought this ranks as one of the greatest episodes thus far. I mean, putting this one and the previous one together rivals the Pegasus episodes for my affection. Holy toledo, it was just a roller-coaster. I didn't mind the whole "it was just a dream thing" because it was, what, a minute of the show total? If the entire thing had been a dream (or if the entire series is a dream and Stands With a Fist wakes up in bed next to Kevin Costner in the final shot), then I'd be pissed... well, more than pissed. I'd never watch the show again. But it was neat seeing Adama get blown away like that.
Yes, I'd put these 2 right behind Exedous, nothing will ever beat Galactica launching it's vipers while plummeting through the atmosphere...
 
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Only 6 more to go.

 :'(
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: DarthChimay on February 08, 2009, 01:03:46 PM
I thought this ranks as one of the greatest episodes thus far. I mean, putting this one and the previous one together rivals the Pegasus episodes for my affection. Holy toledo, it was just a roller-coaster. I didn't mind the whole "it was just a dream thing" because it was, what, a minute of the show total? If the entire thing had been a dream (or if the entire series is a dream and Stands With a Fist wakes up in bed next to Kevin Costner in the final shot), then I'd be pissed... well, more than pissed. I'd never watch the show again. But it was neat seeing Adama get blown away like that.
Yes, I'd put these 2 right behind Exedous, nothing will ever beat Galactica launching it's vipers while plummeting through the atmosphere...
 
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Touche. There are simply too many good episodes. I mean, this show might even be better than Homeboys in Outer Space.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: kodiakthejuggler on February 08, 2009, 01:58:15 PM
They're obviously setting up Baltar to do some crazy stuff. With all the horrible things he's done to keep himself alive, who knows what he might do once he finally sees the error of his ways. Retribution for his actions will be huge.

And I knew Zarek would get his in this episode, but poor Gaeta got the short end of the stick on that deal.

Personally, I'm looking forward to Cavil showing up and kicking some major ass. It's coming!!
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: Bob on February 08, 2009, 02:02:13 PM
They're obviously setting up Baltar to do some crazy stuff. With all the horrible things he's done to keep himself alive, who knows what he might do once he finally sees the error of his ways. Retribution for his actions will be huge.

And I knew Zarek would get his in this episode, but poor Gaeta got the short end of the stick on that deal.

Personally, I'm looking forward to Cavil showing up and kicking some major ass. It's coming!!

Yeah, almost forgot about the Cylon civil war!
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on February 13, 2009, 08:14:35 PM
Do ya think they gave us enough info to think about this episode?  Frak that was a lot to take in.

So it's all Cavel's fault for wanting to be more of a machine?   Why doesn't he just rebuild himself as a centurion?  Well I guess that wouldn't be as dramatic....

I'm kinda hoping the stuff from the base star doesn't work on Galactica, the show is coming to an end, time to let the old girl die.

Later,
 Marty


Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: Rude on February 14, 2009, 12:37:57 PM
Quote from: SmilinJackRoss
It's so cheap.  it's lazy screenwriting.

I have to say that's how i felt about Anders suddenly remembering everything via the magic bullet. It's like the writers wasted two episodes rehashing the internal struggles of the fleet, then had to cram an entire season's worth of exposition into his dialogue. I mean, it really felt like they just handed him their notes and he just read them for the camera. That's lazy screenwriting.

I'm glad that the writers have finally found a focus for the series. It's just too bad that they're committed to ending the show. Of course that's probably what forced them to buckle down and finally figure out where they were taking all of this.

It's good to see a show go out while it's strong, but this feels premature. Especially since they're working on a new prequel series. I mean... who's clamoring for Caprica? I'd rather they take their time and finish BSG naturally rather than shove another season's worth of great ideas into a single scene again. It feels rushed...

-Rude
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: MSTJedi on February 14, 2009, 02:09:03 PM
Quote from: SmilinJackRoss
It's so cheap.  it's lazy screenwriting.

I have to say that's how i felt about Anders suddenly remembering everything via the magic bullet. It's like the writers wasted two episodes rehashing the internal struggles of the fleet, then had to cram an entire season's worth of exposition into his dialogue. I mean, it really felt like they just handed him their notes and he just read them for the camera. That's lazy screenwriting.

I'm glad that the writers have finally found a focus for the series. It's just too bad that they're committed to ending the show. Of course that's probably what forced them to buckle down and finally figure out where they were taking all of this.

It's good to see a show go out while it's strong, but this feels premature. Especially since they're working on a new prequel series. I mean... who's clamoring for Caprica? I'd rather they take their time and finish BSG naturally rather than shove another season's worth of great ideas into a single scene again. It feels rushed...

-Rude

The way I see it, at least they're giving it to us, rushed or not. There are a lot of good shows that never get that chance.

So Ellen is the "mother" of the skinjobs? I wonder if we'll see this 7 series at all.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: Rude on February 14, 2009, 02:31:36 PM
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Yeah, i still love the show. I'm probably just bitter that it's ending... and we're getting Caprica instead.

-Rude
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: Tripe on February 14, 2009, 02:35:20 PM
What, you don't think a show about lawyers and industrialists is going to be as exciting?  ;)
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: Rude on February 14, 2009, 02:55:04 PM
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(http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/262/capricajy6.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)

-Rude
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on February 14, 2009, 05:30:19 PM
Well I can't wait to find out who shot Adama Sr.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: kodiakthejuggler on February 14, 2009, 07:33:43 PM
The name Caprica always reminds me of feminine cigarettes...
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on February 15, 2009, 01:29:31 AM
It's good to see a show go out while it's strong, but this feels premature. Especially since they're working on a new prequel series. I mean... who's clamoring for Caprica? I'd rather they take their time and finish BSG naturally rather than shove another season's worth of great ideas into a single scene again. It feels rushed...

I think they would have liked to do one more season, if I'm remembering correctly from some interviews over a year ago they asked for a commitment for 2 more seasons but Sci-Fi wouldn't go for it, so instead of risking having the show cancelled without a real ending they decided to wrap things up.  Heck, they were worried that Sci-Fi wouldn't bring the show back after the writers strike.

These episodes are feeling kind of rushed, but fun to watch.

As for Caprica, I think Sci-Fi realized that they had no science fiction shows left in their lineup and figure it will be cheaper to produce than BSG and try to get the BSG audience back...  Also looks like they are going to try and get startup money for the series by selling the DVD for the pilot before it airs.



Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: Bob on February 15, 2009, 04:43:31 PM
Wow, that was a jam packed episode.   The hour was up before I knew it.

Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on February 15, 2009, 07:45:06 PM
Maybe Starbuck is a female version (twin) of a 7?  She has that artistic side, why tell us the 7s were artists if not as a tease...

Wonder if they are going to make us wait until the last episode to find out what Starbuck is?
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: Doctor Who? on February 16, 2009, 05:56:58 PM
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(http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/262/capricajy6.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)

-Rude

Don't bother watching the first season,it will turn out to be a dream.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: kodiakthejuggler on February 16, 2009, 06:02:39 PM
And the 5th Cylon is not Helen. It's PATRICK DUFFY!!!
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: SmilinJackRoss on February 20, 2009, 08:08:28 PM
Ugh, I thought this episode was a total snoozer.  With only a handful of episodes left, and plenty of things to wrap up, you wouldn't think they would have time for filler.  But this one was a waste of time.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: Bob on February 20, 2009, 08:12:03 PM
I think this one was kind of like a pitcher will throw a pitch to set up another pitch.   

This one sort of sets the table for various stories to unfold in different directions.

Just five hours left.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on February 20, 2009, 08:22:28 PM
Yea, this one could have been better.  Adama turning into a drunk.  Ellen being a total bitch. Baltar stirring up trouble.   Not sure what they are setting up but we sure didn't learn a whole lot this week.

The shows rep for killing babies is still going strong, Ron wasn't kidding when he said Hera was going to stay the most important kid (or something like that).

Looks like next week is all about Starbuck and Boomer.

Later,
 Marty
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: Rude on February 24, 2009, 10:23:10 AM
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What is going on? One episode feels rushed, and the next feels like filler. Maybe it's just really uneven writing, but it seems like there are Sci-Fi writers and Soap Opera writers taking turns each week.

-Rude
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: Doctor Who? on February 24, 2009, 10:24:56 AM
That's how I have felt since the middle of season 2,I really hope the final is good.

Otherwise i have wasted a good portion of the last 6 years of my life.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: kodiakthejuggler on February 24, 2009, 10:27:10 AM
I think the general feeling for the last episode has been very negative. It wasn't very good. Seems like they rushed into production, and there were many bad edits as well. They set a few things up for the next episodes, but all in all it was bad filler.

Kudos to Commander Adama for his fantastic line when Baltar tries to talk to him...
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: iv3rdawG on February 24, 2009, 05:03:13 PM
We need more Baltar.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: Bob on February 24, 2009, 07:18:31 PM
4 more shows and only 5 hours left.

Jane Eperson wrote the series finale........ that will rock.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: SmilinJackRoss on February 25, 2009, 12:27:28 PM
Kudos to Commander Adama for his fantastic line when Baltar tries to talk to him...
Spoiler (click to show/hide)


Absolutely, loved that line.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: Rude on February 26, 2009, 05:13:56 PM
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Extra Warning: Spoilers

Okay, so for about a week i thought that The Final Five were originally humans who had been experimenting with resurrection technology. And by the process of uploading, due to their deaths in some nuclear war, became the first "skinjobs."

That's obviously wrong... but now i'm completely confused about the order of events concerning Earth, Kobol and the 12 Colonies. I looked over a few forums, timelines and BSG wikis but i'm still confused. This is what i've got:

* Humans and human-looking Cylons lived together on Kobol.
* Cylons bailed on Kobol (built a Temple on some random planet) then founded Earth.
* The other 12 Colonies of humans eventually left Kobol and founded a few planets in another system.
* Nuclear war forced The Final Five to leave Earth.
* They head to Kobol, find it abandoned, then head for the new 12 Colonies.
* Nuclear war forced humans to leave the new 12 Colonies.
* They head to Earth, find it abandoned...


So now are they heading back to Kobol? Do i have that timeline right?

-Rude
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on February 26, 2009, 06:04:05 PM
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Extra Warning: Spoilers

Okay, so for about a week i thought that The Final Five were originally humans who had been experimenting with resurrection technology. And by the process of uploading, due to their deaths in some nuclear war, became the first "skinjobs."

That's obviously wrong... but now i'm completely confused about the order of events concerning Earth, Kobol and the 12 Colonies. I looked over a few forums, timelines and BSG wikis but i'm still confused. This is what i've got:

* Humans and human-looking Cylons lived together on Kobol.
* Cylons bailed on Kobol (built a Temple on some random planet) then founded Earth.
* The other 12 Colonies of humans eventually left Kobol and founded a few planets in another system.
* Nuclear war forced The Final Five to leave Earth.
* They head to Kobol, find it abandoned, then head for the new 12 Colonies.
* Nuclear war forced humans to leave the new 12 Colonies.
* They head to Earth, find it abandoned...



Seems about right.

The 5 reinvented/rediscovered resurrection after it had been long forgotten by the cylons on Earth.  They died in the nuclear war but came back and at sub-light speed it took them 2000 years to reach the colonies.  I don't remember them saying they went back to Kobol first.

Also I think everyone left Kobol at the same time.

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  So now are they heading back to Kobol? Do i have that timeline right?

We don't know where they are going now.

If they are saying that WE are cylons, they messed up by putting centurion bodies on Earth, then you could say all the various ways people belive in resurrection are forgotten memories.  They use our constellations so it has to be our Earth, then they put centurions in the rubble to make it a fictional Earth. ???

Later,
 Marty
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on February 27, 2009, 08:25:48 PM
Tonight was a punch in the gut, fraking Boomer!

So, how did Kara's dad know the song?  And how did he know to make sure to teach it to her?

There's still a lot of unexplained prophecy and forshadowing, they better not hit us with some kind of cheap time travel trick at the end.

Glad the cylon fixes are not bringing the old ship back, looks like the show will indeed end with the end of the Galactica, I like that.

Later,
 Marty

Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: kodiakthejuggler on March 01, 2009, 08:42:59 AM
Tonight was a punch in the gut, fraking Boomer!

So, how did Kara's dad know the song?  And how did he know to make sure to teach it to her?

There's still a lot of unexplained prophecy and forshadowing, they better not hit us with some kind of cheap time travel trick at the end.

Glad the cylon fixes are not bringing the old ship back, looks like the show will indeed end with the end of the Galactica, I like that.

Later,
 Marty



I have a feeling that Kara's dad could well be the true inventor of the cylons. The song seems to be the one thing that brings them all together at key moments, so it's like a call to arms or something. We know something big is going to happen whenever the 5 hear that song. It's no random coincidence that Kara's dad knew it and taught her to play it.

And when the hell is Roslin gonna die?? I though she had a bad case of cancer, yet they're stretching her life until the very end. Ugh.

As far as I could tell from what I've read on the 'net, the next episode will be the final reveal for all the loose ends and questions, and the last two will be the uber war episodes. And then, my friend, the end.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on March 01, 2009, 08:48:13 AM
Tonight was a punch in the gut, fraking Boomer!

So, how did Kara's dad know the song?  And how did he know to make sure to teach it to her?

There's still a lot of unexplained prophecy and forshadowing, they better not hit us with some kind of cheap time travel trick at the end.

Glad the cylon fixes are not bringing the old ship back, looks like the show will indeed end with the end of the Galactica, I like that.

Later,
 Marty



I have a feeling that Kara's dad could well be the true inventor of the cylons. The song seems to be the one thing that brings them all together at key moments, so it's like a call to arms or something. We know something big is going to happen whenever the 5 hear that song. It's no random coincidence that Kara's dad knew it and taught her to play it.

And when the hell is Roslin gonna die?? I though she had a bad case of cancer, yet they're stretching her life until the very end. Ugh.

As far as I could tell from what I've read on the 'net, the next episode will be the final reveal for all the loose ends and questions, and the last two will be the uber war episodes. And then, my friend, the end.

I'm thinking her dad is gonna end up being Bob Dylan.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on March 01, 2009, 09:41:49 AM
Tonight was a punch in the gut, fraking Boomer!

So, how did Kara's dad know the song?  And how did he know to make sure to teach it to her?

There's still a lot of unexplained prophecy and forshadowing, they better not hit us with some kind of cheap time travel trick at the end.

Glad the cylon fixes are not bringing the old ship back, looks like the show will indeed end with the end of the Galactica, I like that.

Later,
 Marty



I have a feeling that Kara's dad could well be the true inventor of the cylons. The song seems to be the one thing that brings them all together at key moments, so it's like a call to arms or something. We know something big is going to happen whenever the 5 hear that song. It's no random coincidence that Kara's dad knew it and taught her to play it.

And when the hell is Roslin gonna die?? I though she had a bad case of cancer, yet they're stretching her life until the very end. Ugh.

As far as I could tell from what I've read on the 'net, the next episode will be the final reveal for all the loose ends and questions, and the last two will be the uber war episodes. And then, my friend, the end.

Roslin will die just before they find a new home, so the phrophecy can be fufilled.

I guess talk is that Kara's dad was a 7 that escaped Cavel, I have to rewatch the episode more closely to see if anyone else interacted with the piano player, people also seem to think the piano player was all in Kara's head.

How can there be a war with Galactica in the shape she is in, one hit would take her out...  Unless the rebel cylons go nuts about Hera being taken and go after Cavel with Galactica's weapons transfered to their base star.   Or there is a new Galactica to go with the new viper Kara flew back after she resurected. 

One more regular episode, then the 3 part finale, there will be one hour of the finale first, then 2 and 3 back to back.  Looks like the day of the last 2 parts Sci-Fi will be all Galactica all day.


Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: MSTJedi on March 01, 2009, 12:03:48 PM
Yeah, I'm getting the feeling that Kara's dad was a 7 in hiding, which would make her at least half Cylon. That still leaves open the question of how the hell Kara was resurrected if she's not a full Cylon.

That really was a punch in the gut what Boomer did, although the fact that Tyrol killed another 8 to let her escape put a bad spin on it for me from the get-go. Poor Athena. That's a lot to deal with, having to watch her husband get it on with Boomer and then steal her child.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: Rude on March 01, 2009, 02:31:26 PM
Quote from: MSTJedi
...the fact that Tyrol killed another 8 to let her escape put a bad spin on it for me from the get-go.

I thought he had just knocked her unconscious.

-Rude
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: Bob on March 01, 2009, 02:39:50 PM
Quote from: MSTJedi
...the fact that Tyrol killed another 8 to let her escape put a bad spin on it for me from the get-go.

I thought he had just knocked her unconscious.

-Rude

I think that is what he did.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: MSTJedi on March 01, 2009, 02:44:18 PM
Oh, okay. I just figured she was dead since she was still out when the lights came back on. Still not cool in my book.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: iv3rdawG on March 01, 2009, 06:28:08 PM
(http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/4492/capricadvd.jpg)
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: Doctor Who? on March 02, 2009, 06:39:03 AM
From the look of that poster I think I would add an r after the c if I wanted to describe that show.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: MSTJedi on March 02, 2009, 06:41:44 AM
From the look of that poster I think I would add an r after the c if I wanted to describe that show.


:rimshot:
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: Doctor Who? on March 02, 2009, 06:50:02 AM
MSTjedi and his band everybody!

Who do we have on the show tonight?
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: RoninFox on March 02, 2009, 10:52:45 AM
I thought they were getting at Kara's dad being the missing 13th Cylon that Caval killed, as it was said he was an artistic type and that would explain why he disappeared on Kara.
Title: Battlestar Galactica's Awesome Endings
Post by: Rude on March 02, 2009, 03:31:24 PM
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Five horrible ways to end Battlestar Galactica:

1. Humans didn't create Cylons, it was a race of lizard people the whole time.
(Ready for that V: Reimagined series tie-in?)

2. We're all Cylons!
(I'm a pepper, you're a pepper... he's a pepper too!)

3. It was all just a dream.
(<Wayne & Garth> "Doodly-Doo, Doodly-Doo, Doodly-Doo" </Wayne & Garth>)

4. "You're Starbuck? But i'm Strabuck!" Yoinks!
(This has all happened before...)

5. Galactica 1980: The Reimagined Series
(Oh wait, that's right... Caprica.)

-Rude
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: Bob on March 02, 2009, 03:41:11 PM
From the look of that poster I think I would add an r after the c if I wanted to describe that show.

Capricra?
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: Tripe on March 02, 2009, 05:01:50 PM
Capricra?

Never did I think I'd see the day when you of all people would post a word so filthily obscene, shame on you!
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: RoninFox on March 02, 2009, 05:33:24 PM
Capricra?

Never did I think I'd see the day when you of all people would post a word so filthily obscene, shame on you!

Yeah, you motherfracker!
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: dalem on March 02, 2009, 05:46:45 PM
It's gonna be option #2.  They're all Cylons.  It's been clear since the pilot.

-dale
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: BathTub on March 05, 2009, 06:16:46 PM
Yeah seriously, the only way the series can seriously resolve is if they all come to the obvious conclusion that the human/cylon divide is just some made up BS and they just make up and make out.. And it's going to take some deus ex machina to do it.. It's clear that the fleets are being driven together, there is no way that the allied basestar will just allow Boomer to give the future of the Cylons to Cavills lot.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on March 07, 2009, 10:12:33 AM

 I'm not sure what to make of last nights show...

 I guess it was all stuff needed to set up the finale starting next week, but some parts are getting out of control.

 Anders hooked up to Galactica?  What's up with that, all I could think of was Spock's Brain.

 Ship collapsing under it's own weight, uh, they have no way of turning off their artificial gravity??

 Did Cavel reprogram Boomer or something?  She finally connects with Hera emotionally but still hands her over? 

 Adama the alcoholic is getting old, I know this show strives to be as real as possible with the characters but it's still supposed to be entertainment, the documentary style is being pushed a little to far in his case.

 Here comes the finale, 3 hours to wrap up the show.

 
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: kodiakthejuggler on March 08, 2009, 07:00:41 AM
Honestly, if the show continued for a few more seasons in the same manner it is now, I'd lose interest and quit watching. It's unfortunate that all the parts of the show I liked have all but disappeared. It's a damn soap opera now.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica's Awesome Endings
Post by: Doctor Who? on March 08, 2009, 10:06:50 AM
...

Five horrible ways to end Battlestar Galactica:

1. Humans didn't create Cylons, it was a race of lizard people the whole time.
(Ready for that V: Reimagined series tie-in?)

2. We're all Cylons!
(I'm a pepper, you're a pepper... he's a pepper too!)

3. It was all just a dream.
(<Wayne & Garth> "Doodly-Doo, Doodly-Doo, Doodly-Doo" </Wayne & Garth>)

4. "You're Starbuck? But i'm Strabuck!" Yoinks!
(This has all happened before...)

5. Galactica 1980: The Reimagined Series
(Oh wait, that's right... Caprica.)

-Rude

Am I the only one who would rather watch Galactica 1980 then Craprica?

I have to say that as far back as season one I have been thinking that this series may tie into the old one some how because of that line.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on March 08, 2009, 11:30:58 AM
Honestly, if the show continued for a few more seasons in the same manner it is now, I'd lose interest and quit watching. It's unfortunate that all the parts of the show I liked have all but disappeared. It's a damn soap opera now.

We are in the final act, no movie or show can take dragging out the final act too long, they have come real close to doing that.

This is a highly serialised show so it's always had a soap opera aspect to it.  It's one of the things that makes you watch even the stinker episodes.

I think they are trying to work around some poor decisions made over the last 2 seasons.  One drawback of shooting from the hip in a serialised show is having those events come back to bite you.   So now we're stuck with the characters jumping through some strange hoops to tie up loose ends.  Two weeks left to see if they pulled it off.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: Rude on March 08, 2009, 10:21:09 PM
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Did i even watch that last episode? It was on my DVR, then an hour later it wasn't. I can't remember caring about anything that just happened in that episode.

-Rude
Title: Finale Part I, here we go....
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on March 13, 2009, 08:25:02 PM
Allrighty, THAT'S how you do a setup episode.  It was awesome to toss in stuff from way back before the mini-series, really gave a good feel to the show.

I guess the last 2 were streched out to save up budget for all the location shots this week and the big 2 hour finale next week.

Later,
 Marty
Title: Finale runs 11 minutes long.
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on March 20, 2009, 08:48:22 AM
Note to all recording the finale tonight, it runs 11 minutes long.

SciFi is now SyFy, guess they had to change the name, very little science fiction left on the network.

SyFy, the Y is for Y are you watching?

Later,
 Marty
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: Rude on March 20, 2009, 09:25:30 AM
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I'm pretty sure that my DVR automatically adjusts itself for stuff like that. But this will give me a chance to fool around with DirecTV's online DVR Scheduler. Here's hoping that i don't frak everything up...

-Rude
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: MSTJedi on March 20, 2009, 09:35:16 AM
I just have to wait until the torrent's available since I don't have cable. So I'll be seeing it sometime tomorrow and I'll have to avoid this thread like the plague until then.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: DarthChimay on March 20, 2009, 10:48:16 AM
I just have to wait until the torrent's available since I don't have cable. So I'll be seeing it sometime tomorrow and I'll have to avoid this thread like the plague until then.

Huh... I never would've guessed that the show would end with a musical number. I'm not really sure what Bill Adama doing a soft-shoe has to do with the end of humanity. Also, was I the only one who found it inappropriate when Baltar broke into Ding Dong, The Witch is Dead when Roslin died?
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: RoninFox on March 20, 2009, 02:43:47 PM
That's not nearly as bad as when Hera woke up as a teenager and the whole thing was just a dream.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: DarthChimay on March 20, 2009, 03:12:35 PM
That's not nearly as bad as when Hera woke up as a teenager and the whole thing was just a dream.

And then she goes to her job as a nurse at St. Eligius?
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: RoninFox on March 20, 2009, 03:16:45 PM
And Dirk Benedict was in the shower, perfectly fine.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on March 20, 2009, 09:11:29 PM
Wow, those last 2 hours were exhausting... 

Couple of mistakes scientifically but overall what a great finish.

Still a few big questions unanswered, but that's OK, good to still have some things to think about when re-watching the show.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: DarthChimay on March 20, 2009, 10:25:38 PM
Wow... just wow...
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: DarthChimay on March 20, 2009, 10:35:36 PM
You know, the one thing that hit me while I was watching the last scene with Kara was that episode, way back in first season, when Number Six was all the sudden able to be seen by everyone. I don't know why I never made that connection.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: Rude on March 21, 2009, 01:37:02 AM
...

Elle aye am ei.

-Rude
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: DarthChimay on March 21, 2009, 02:22:56 AM
I think the thing that really satisfied me about this was that it came back around to the central conceit of the original series. To whit:

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There are those who believe that life here, began out there, far across the universe, with tribes of humans who may have been the forefathers of the Egyptians, or the Toltecs, or the Mayans. Some believe that there may yet be brothers of man who even now fight to survive somewhere beyond the heavens.

The only thing that I wish they had done differently was include Count Iblis in some fashion. Still, I thought it was tremendous, especially since it was focused on the only thing that this BSG had that kept me interested - the characters. All so wonderfully mean, vindictive, petty, cruel, good, kind, contradictory, and human.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: SmilinJackRoss on March 21, 2009, 08:52:12 AM
I'm really happy with the finale.  It resonated with me emotionally, and I have found myself still effected by it a day later.  And while a few character moments might not seem to fit right (why wouldn't Adama and Lee live together?  They're family, I don't see why they would go their separate ways) I thought that the series as a whole was a wonderful achievement.  Their season finale's have always been spectacular, and more than make up for all those middle-of-the-season episodes that were often plodding mis-steps.

The whole "who/what was Kara in season 4?" will be debated for some time, but for me the ambiguous-ness of it fits just fine.  Religion has always been a fulcrum for the series, and I don't need every question answered for the series to feel complete.

I found this lengthy write up (http://www.nj.com/entertainment/tv/index.ssf/2009/03/battlestar_galactica_daybreak_1.html) a good read, and this interview (http://www.nj.com/entertainment/tv/index.ssf/2009/03/battlestar_galactica_ronald_d.html) interesting as well.

I'm going to let the series stew in my brain for awhile, but I see myself coming back to rewatch the whole thing again someday, in the distant future. 
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: Moleman on March 21, 2009, 09:48:18 AM
I started watching this show about the time Razor came out and saw all the episodes in order online up to that point then started watching season 4 as it came out.  I actually saw the first 20 minutes or so of the mini when it first came out but got pissed off upon discovering Starbuck was a woman.  I remember asking myself, "so that's Starbuck's daughter right?  Um, right?  I liked the original and when I saw that and that Tigh was white and Boomer was an Asian chick...I thought wow this sucks and didn't watch it again until years later when I just got bored and curious.

So anyway I loved Crossroads Part II (Lee's speech was so right on) but every episode after that, all of season 4, just kind of sucked.  I still found myself watching it just because I'm such a huge sci-fi fan and I've seen them all already.  I had a few theories about who the final cylon was and the explanation of the whole so I guess that kind of proves I still got into it.

Well after watching the finale I was pretty disappointed.  Not in the episode itself but in what the writers decided to do with it.  Specifically the time period.  It makes no sense that Galactica actually came before our Earth because so many things they do, their language, their society, their TOOTHPASTE, is exactly like ours.  I suppose they were trying to show that all human societies develop the same but to do things like use Latin phrases like "Sine qua non" as if it were a dead language, kind of like today........it just seems like their society was based EXACTLY off of ours.  The only way it would have kind of made sense to take place in the past was if they found Earth much later on and settled with the ancient Greeks.  Then you can say that's where they got all their ideas, enlightenment, and gods like "Apollo".

The story to me would have made way more sense if it was the far far future and our Earth was first, then they left for Kobol, then the colonies including the alternate Earth, and then back to our Earth, thus completing the cycle.  Then you can see how their culture was based off of ours, all spoke one language, and why they had cats and dogs and such.  (So cats and dogs are really aliens?)

Also, why the hell do they think its a good idea to abandon all technology and live like cavemen and why would everyone unanimously agree its a good idea?  It was just dumb and done to explain why we wouldn't still have their technology.  Just to make it more "Realistic" with our history apparently, but who cares?

I guess in the end it was done this way so they can address the fear of artificial intelligence in today's society. But do we really need to hear this message AGAIN? Its not exactly the first show on screen to preach fear of robots taking over the world and killing us.  I guess I prefer that message to the 60's message "we're going to end the world by nuking ourselves" which is what I thought they were trying to say at the mid-season point.  But why have a message at all?  Can't we just have entertainment?  Do TV shows always have to tell me how I should think or can't my own upbringing and life experience do that?

Overall I'd have to admit they did a good job with "re-imaging" it even though it was way too soap-opera-y and sent the message that its ok to commit genocide as long as you feel bad about it afterwards and we should embrace and love all forms of life even as they try to kill you.  I still prefer the cheesy "you can see the actors neck showing in the Cylon suit" original.  It was just more fun.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: iv3rdawG on March 21, 2009, 10:12:28 AM
I thought Romo becoming President was great. The first 30 minutes of the episode were fantastic (the jump into the Cylons and then the fight to Hera - that was probably my favorite space battle in the show). The whole "It's a trick!" thing was kind of weird. Overall I enjoyed the episode a lot. Sad to see the show go though.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on March 21, 2009, 10:57:48 AM
I found this lengthy write up (http://www.nj.com/entertainment/tv/index.ssf/2009/03/battlestar_galactica_daybreak_1.html) a good read, and this interview (http://www.nj.com/entertainment/tv/index.ssf/2009/03/battlestar_galactica_ronald_d.html) interesting as well.

I'm going to let the series stew in my brain for awhile, but I see myself coming back to rewatch the whole thing again someday, in the distant future. 

Interesting stuff in those interviews, I guess since Ron was never really interested in fine details that explains the few technical errors, not realizing that the constellations on the burned out Earth could not be the same as ours, and a million light years is too far to be in the galaxy but not far enough to be in another....

Also interesting to read that Cavel blowing his brains out was Dean Stockwell's idea, at first I thought it was out of character, but after thinking about it I think Cavel was such a control freak that he would not want to be captured and executed, or killed in a fight, he would want to control how he went out...

Also after thinking about Lee and his dad more, I guess it makes sense them going separate ways, Lee wanted to explore, his dad wanted to settle down and build the cabin. 

Only part that still bugs me is Kara and her viper being created out of thin air and sent back to the fleet, but I guess we can each come up with our own explanation of what she was. 

Another question is:  Are the cylons still out there?  The centurions got their own basestar, and we know there were base stars jumping in and out of the colony, so there are other basestars still out there. 
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: Tony on March 21, 2009, 10:59:56 AM
Well after watching the finale I was pretty disappointed.  Not in the episode itself but in what the writers decided to do with it.  Specifically the time period.  It makes no sense that Galactica actually came before our Earth because so many things they do, their language, their society, their TOOTHPASTE, is exactly like ours.  I suppose they were trying to show that all human societies develop the same but to do things like use Latin phrases like "Sine qua non" as if it were a dead language, kind of like today........it just seems like their society was based EXACTLY off of ours.

"All of this has happened before..." covers a LOT of ground, but failing that, you have to remember that everything on the show sounds like english and/or latin to us because we need a frame of reference to connect with the show. Otherwise the producers would have to create entire new languages, and from force fans to learn them. There's only so much you can expect from a TV show with a limited budget, and any fan base has a limited amount of attention span.

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... Overall I'd have to admit they did a good job with "re-imaging" it even though it was way too soap-opera-y and sent the message that its ok to commit genocide as long as you feel bad about it afterwards and we should embrace and love all forms of life even as they try to kill you.

This doesn't make sense to me. What made you think humans "thought it was okay" that the Cylons decimated the human race? They showed over the course of the series that many people still hated the Cylons, enough to cause the last 38000 humans to almost destroy themselves over it. Cooler heads and luck prevailed and they survived civil war. What were humans supposed to do anyway, kill all of the remaining Cylons once they hit Earth? If you need a real-world parallel for forgiveness as a part of human nature; Germans, Japanese, and Italians are still around after WWII.

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I still prefer the cheesy "you can see the actors neck showing in the Cylon suit" original.  It was just more fun.

I guess this is pretty much what it boils down to for a lot of people. I watched a few episodes of the original show as a kid, and it was just too embarrassingly cheesy and sappy for me to stomach even then. I prefer the more realistically dramatic human aspect of the new series, but that's obviously a personal thing, too.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: Rude on March 21, 2009, 01:54:29 PM
Quote from: Moleman
Also, why the hell do they think its a good idea to abandon all technology and live like cavemen and why would everyone unanimously agree its a good idea?

When they were lying in the grass and spying on the aborigines, i couldn't help but think of Arthur Dent stuck on prehistoric Earth with the Golgafrincham crew. I actually laughed out loud at that point. I really don't think there's any way that the survivors would just completely ditch everything and send the fleet off into the sun... no way. If it was supposed to be some sort of peripety regarding their view of technology, i think it came a bit too late in the series to make it believable.

There were quite a few other issues that made it hard for me to call the finale "great" (including some horrible CGI, ugh.) But i think SmilinJackRoss nailed it when he said that the show resonates emotionally. Some of the best moments were emotional connections between the characters that sort of took place outside the plot. For example, i thought Roslin's death was a great scene and one that i'll always remember.

So like the entire series itself, the finale felt a little uneven. I also felt a little disappointed, but probably only because i had such high expectations. Although i have to say... i see absolutely no reason to believe that they truly "ended the cycle." But maybe that's always been the point.

-Rude
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: SmilinJackRoss on March 21, 2009, 02:25:48 PM
Well after watching the finale I was pretty disappointed.  Not in the episode itself but in what the writers decided to do with it.  Specifically the time period.  It makes no sense that Galactica actually came before our Earth because so many things they do, their language, their society, their TOOTHPASTE, is exactly like ours.  I suppose they were trying to show that all human societies develop the same but to do things like use Latin phrases like "Sine qua non" as if it were a dead language, kind of like today........it just seems like their society was based EXACTLY off of ours.  The only way it would have kind of made sense to take place in the past was if they found Earth much later on and settled with the ancient Greeks.  Then you can say that's where they got all their ideas, enlightenment, and gods like "Apollo".

If you read some of the interviews with Ron Moore, he basically says that the traditions, languages, etc are something that will reside in the collective unconscious of the humans and will re-emerge as the civilization progresses along.  For me, it's really not that much of a stretch to believe this could/would happen.  In fact, I think it's a really cool idea that our civilization is based on theirs, and not the other way around.  Especially since it's safe to assume that for most people (including myself) up through the entire series, it made sense to think the opposite.  A nice twist.

Also after thinking about Lee and his dad more, I guess it makes sense them going separate ways, Lee wanted to explore, his dad wanted to settle down and build the cabin. 

This makes sense, good call.

Another question is:  Are the cylons still out there?  The centurions got their own basestar, and we know there were base stars jumping in and out of the colony, so there are other basestars still out there. 

Yeah, they didn't really address whether or not all the cylons were killed by the black hole.  It's safe to assume that 99% of them were, but we were never really informed if there were other ships that were not at the colony during the attack.  I suppose it's a good jumping off point if they ever feel like re-visiting the series again for a sequel or something, but in the end, it doesn't really matter....they obviously didn't find them on Earth any time soon, with 150,000 years passing without an attack.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: Compound on March 21, 2009, 03:21:35 PM
Quote from: Moleman
Also, why the hell do they think its a good idea to abandon all technology and live like cavemen and why would everyone unanimously agree its a good idea?

When they were lying in the grass and spying on the aborigines, i couldn't help but think of Arthur Dent stuck on prehistoric Earth with the Golgafrincham crew. I actually laughed out loud at that point.

You weren't alone on that.  I've been calling it "Battlestar B-Ark" all day.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on March 21, 2009, 03:40:49 PM
Another question is:  Are the cylons still out there?  The centurions got their own basestar, and we know there were base stars jumping in and out of the colony, so there are other basestars still out there. 

Yeah, they didn't really address whether or not all the cylons were killed by the black hole.  It's safe to assume that 99% of them were, but we were never really informed if there were other ships that were not at the colony during the attack.  I suppose it's a good jumping off point if they ever feel like re-visiting the series again for a sequel or something, but in the end, it doesn't really matter....they obviously didn't find them on Earth any time soon, with 150,000 years passing without an attack.

Since they didn't show any basestars at the colony, you have to assume there are still some out there, and then there's the question of if there were other skin jobs out there as well.  But without resurrection they would all die out I guess.

One of my thoughts a long time ago was that they would find a place to live and give up their technology as a way to hide from the cylons.

I don't find it too unreasonable that they would abandon their technology, conditions on the fleet for at least the last year must have been pretty bad for everyone, they had lost hope after finding burned out Earth, and they have been living crammed aboard ships for what 5 years?  I think most would jump at the chance to live a more simple life under open sky, given they only had a few minutes of the show to dedicate to this not much they could do about showing any people that didn't agree, that would have been one or 2 more shows (like the ones leading up to settling on New Caprica)... 

Going to try editing out the commercials and making one movie out of the 3 parts, if my computer can handle it, would be real nice to watch the finale again without interruptions.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: Tony on March 21, 2009, 04:20:32 PM
Quote from: Moleman
Also, why the hell do they think its a good idea to abandon all technology and live like cavemen and why would everyone unanimously agree its a good idea?

When they were lying in the grass and spying on the aborigines, i couldn't help but think of Arthur Dent stuck on prehistoric Earth with the Golgafrincham crew. I actually laughed out loud at that point. I really don't think there's any way that the survivors would just completely ditch everything and send the fleet off into the sun... no way. If it was supposed to be some sort of peripety regarding their view of technology, i think it came a bit too late in the series to make it believable.

There were quite a few other issues that made it hard for me to call the finale "great" (including some horrible CGI, ugh.) But i think SmilinJackRoss nailed it when he said that the show resonates emotionally. Some of the best moments were emotional connections between the characters that sort of took place outside the plot. For example, i thought Roslin's death was a great scene and one that i'll always remember.

So like the entire series itself, the finale felt a little uneven. I also felt a little disappointed, but probably only because i had such high expectations. Although i have to say... i see absolutely no reason to believe that they truly "ended the cycle." But maybe that's always been the point.

-Rude

You pretty much nailed my opinion of the final episode.

And I thought EXACTLY the same thing about the parallels to Hitchhiker's Guide when they were looking out on the African plains.

The other thing I immediately thought was "Where the heck are the lions, and when is someone gonna be tragically eaten?" Oh well, probably too much realism for a series finale. ;D

Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on March 21, 2009, 11:59:15 PM
Quote from: Moleman
Also, why the hell do they think its a good idea to abandon all technology and live like cavemen and why would everyone unanimously agree its a good idea?

When they were lying in the grass and spying on the aborigines, i couldn't help but think of Arthur Dent stuck on prehistoric Earth with the Golgafrincham crew. I actually laughed out loud at that point. I really don't think there's any way that the survivors would just completely ditch everything and send the fleet off into the sun... no way. If it was supposed to be some sort of peripety regarding their view of technology, i think it came a bit too late in the series to make it believable.

There were quite a few other issues that made it hard for me to call the finale "great" (including some horrible CGI, ugh.) But i think SmilinJackRoss nailed it when he said that the show resonates emotionally. Some of the best moments were emotional connections between the characters that sort of took place outside the plot. For example, i thought Roslin's death was a great scene and one that i'll always remember.

So like the entire series itself, the finale felt a little uneven. I also felt a little disappointed, but probably only because i had such high expectations. Although i have to say... i see absolutely no reason to believe that they truly "ended the cycle." But maybe that's always been the point.

-Rude
You pretty much nailed my opinion of the final episode.

And I thought EXACTLY the same thing about the parallels to Hitchhiker's Guide when they were looking out on the African plains.

The other thing I immediately thought was "Where the heck are the lions, and when is someone gonna be tragically eaten?" Oh well, probably too much realism for a series finale. ;D

I also had a momentary thought of The Hitchhiker's Guide...

Got all 3 parts edited together without commercials.  Wow, it's even more emotionally draining when it hits you non stop for 2 1/4 hours.... 

I guess if Hera was our mitochondrial ancestor all the other camps on the other continents died out, kind of depressing if you think about it...  That is the only way it works into our history, 150,000 years ago the early humans were only in a small area of Africa, the big migrations out didn't start until about 100,000 years ago.

When Baltar and Caprica are talking to their counterparts near the end, asking if Hera will be OK, they say "she survived", not "she survives", as if they are talking about the past, I wonder if that was done on purpose to link them to all the prophecies that came true during the show?

Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: DarthChimay on March 22, 2009, 01:02:13 AM
When Baltar and Caprica are talking to their counterparts near the end, asking if Hera will be OK, they say "she survived", not "she survives", as if they are talking about the past, I wonder if that was done on purpose to link them to all the prophecies that came true during the show?

I read it more as, "She survived.. what more do you want? That's all that matters. From here on out, it's up to her."

It's interesting to read how some people were disappointed by the finale. I mean, after four years of buildup, how could you not be? For some reason, I wasn't. I watched the last hour three times last night and cried each time (yeah, I'm a pussy... you wanna fight about it?). I found it ironic that they didn't want to give the humans on our Earth their weapons and technology, but did want to give them language, as though the innovation of language doesn't lead to those things. And I didn't get why commercialism and decadence were so evil, especially since neither of those had been themes throughout the show. Still, I think the thing about the finale that moved me the most was that, at the end of this epic journey, they realized that what mattered most wasn't that they were heroes, but just that they mattered to someone else. I'm glad Roslin didn't die as the president, but just as a woman who loved a man. I'm glad that Adama didn't go down with the ship, but that he just decided to build his cabin for the woman he loved. I'm glad that Kara realized that it wasn't important that she not be forgotten in the way a hero was, but that she just wouldn't be forgotten by the men she touched most - Lee and Anders.

Gosh, I'm getting all choked up thinking about it.

EDIT: Just wanted to add... My favorite thing about the finale? Cottle and Lampkin made it to the very end.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: Edward J Grug III on March 22, 2009, 06:42:27 AM
Worst ending of anything ever.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on March 22, 2009, 10:19:42 AM
When Baltar and Caprica are talking to their counterparts near the end, asking if Hera will be OK, they say "she survived", not "she survives", as if they are talking about the past, I wonder if that was done on purpose to link them to all the prophecies that came true during the show?

I read it more as, "She survived.. what more do you want? That's all that matters. From here on out, it's up to her."

Hmmm, I still think it was meant as a past tense from the future.  To me that conversation seems to hint that the entire journey has been to bring Hera to Earth, and for everyone else their job was done. 
 
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Gosh, I'm getting all choked up thinking about it.

EDIT: Just wanted to add... My favorite thing about the finale? Cottle and Lampkin made it to the very end.

I watched the entire thing 3 times so far, didn't lose any of it's emotional impact, still got choked up through most of it all 3 times, and there's so much packed in I noticed new stuff each time.

After seeing it a few times I'll have to say the battle over New Caprica is still better, this came close but Galactica falling like a rock launching it's vipers and Pegasus taking out 2 base stars still wins.

I was surprised to see Cottle at the end, I thought Laura saying goodbye to him would be the last time we would see him...

So many favorites for me:

Seeing all the characters before the fall and how they got to where they where during the fall.
Boomer finally making a decision on her own and stop being a follower.
The centurions mixed in with the colonials, acting like human solders.
The look on Kara's face after the jump, when Laura asked her where she had taken them.
Seeing Baltar finally grow up and do something for others for once, and that moment when he accepts his past.
The music was tremendous, better than most movie scores.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: dangfish on March 22, 2009, 10:38:51 AM
A Great ending to a great series.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: MSTJedi on March 22, 2009, 12:03:35 PM
Finally got to watch my download of the finale and . . . wow . . . that was a lot to take in for only 2 hours. The only way in which I feel disappointed was that they left the question of just what the hell Kara was a secret. Lee just turns around and she's not there anymore. I was really amused when the "angel" Baltar said that God (it) doesn't like being called that. I liked how they worked in the opera house during Hera's rescue. Overall, very satisfied by the ending . . . though like many others, I am sad to see the series go.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: Tony on March 22, 2009, 12:32:42 PM
The music was tremendous, better than most movie scores.

Interestingly enough, a little part of the opening sequence music was from Alien, and was used several times during the show. I'm not sure whether it was part of Jerry Goldsmith's compositions or Howard Hansen's but it was definitely there.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: BathTub on March 22, 2009, 04:54:41 PM
Well, so God did it, quite the asshole really isn't he?

Going that route enables a lot of handwaving on anything unexplainable.

I did wonder why Leoban/model 2 was so relatively rare, there were plenty of Sixes and Eights on display all the time.

But not bad.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: Edward J Grug III on March 22, 2009, 04:57:38 PM
I can handle the religion angle, (it hadn't bothered me at all up till that point), what really pissed me off was the strong anti-science message they coupled it with.

And even if the lame explanations were excused, everything was handled so heavy-handed and so clumsily...

I am pretty sure I will never watch that series again.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: Tony on March 22, 2009, 05:31:19 PM
Well, so God did it, quite the asshole really isn't he?

Going that route enables a lot of handwaving on anything unexplainable.

I did wonder why Leoban/model 2 was so relatively rare, there were plenty of Sixes and Eights on display all the time.

But not bad.

"God" in this case could easily be a highly advanced non-organic intelligence, guiding rather than forcing "it's" will. That's what I thought when I heard the line, anyway. Like you said, anything is plausible with the "hand of God" reaching in...

And Leoban probably asked for too high a salary. Sixes and Eights on display are definitely worth a lot more than any number of Leobans!  ;D
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: BathTub on March 22, 2009, 06:23:41 PM
I wonder if it is something like that, because for the other side the civil war, the Black Cylon/Simon/Four also suffered from that Under-representation.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on March 22, 2009, 07:22:25 PM
Well, so God did it, quite the asshole really isn't he?

Going that route enables a lot of handwaving on anything unexplainable.

I did wonder why Leoban/model 2 was so relatively rare, there were plenty of Sixes and Eights on display all the time.

But not bad.

"God" in this case could easily be a highly advanced non-organic intelligence, guiding rather than forcing "it's" will. That's what I thought when I heard the line, anyway. Like you said, anything is plausible with the "hand of God" reaching in...

And Leoban probably asked for too high a salary. Sixes and Eights on display are definitely worth a lot more than any number of Leobans!  ;D

After thinking about it that's what's nice about leaving what Kara was up to people's imagination, you could have her be the product of some advanced technology or supernatural or whatever...   Can't remember on what show it was said but the quote is: "any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic".   I like to think this story would fit in well with a lot of Arthur C. Clark's stories that involved a universe wide super intelligence.

As for the lack of screen time for the other cylons: The show was about Galactica, 6s and 8s were the ones aboard Galactica the most. 

I didn't see the show as anti science, there is an anti technology aspect, that's different (science is only a few hundred years old, technology has been around since the first stone tools were made), the human race has always had the problem of our tools developing faster than the philosophical and social aspects of our civilization.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: Tony on March 22, 2009, 08:37:27 PM
Well, so God did it, quite the asshole really isn't he?

Going that route enables a lot of handwaving on anything unexplainable.

I did wonder why Leoban/model 2 was so relatively rare, there were plenty of Sixes and Eights on display all the time.

But not bad.

"God" in this case could easily be a highly advanced non-organic intelligence, guiding rather than forcing "it's" will. That's what I thought when I heard the line, anyway. Like you said, anything is plausible with the "hand of God" reaching in...

And Leoban probably asked for too high a salary. Sixes and Eights on display are definitely worth a lot more than any number of Leobans!  ;D

After thinking about it that's what's nice about leaving what Kara was up to people's imagination, you could have her be the product of some advanced technology or supernatural or whatever...   Can't remember on what show it was said but the quote is: "any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic".   I like to think this story would fit in well with a lot of Arthur C. Clark's stories that involved a universe wide super intelligence.

As for the lack of screen time for the other cylons: The show was about Galactica, 6s and 8s were the ones aboard Galactica the most. 

I didn't see the show as anti science, there is an anti technology aspect, that's different (science is only a few hundred years old, technology has been around since the first stone tools were made), the human race has always had the problem of our tools developing faster than the philosophical and social aspects of our civilization.

Ironically, it was actually Arthur C. Clark who stated that "law" about technology & magic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clarke%27s_three_laws).

And I agree: Humans (not the show itself) were specifically anti-Technology from the beginning, not anti-Science - or at least extremely cautious about computer and networking tech. Advanced computer/AI technology was what caused the human race's problems with Cylons from the beginning, which is why the old Galactica was deliberately limited technologically: That lack of "high technology" made the Galactica the only battlestar in the Fleet immune to Cylon attacks which crippled every other ship in the fleet at the beginning of the war. It's part of the basis of the show.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: RoninFox on March 22, 2009, 08:43:51 PM
Saw the ending.

It was enjoyed.

There were tears involved.

Will watch it again many times in the future.

That is all.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: Edward J Grug III on March 22, 2009, 08:46:49 PM
Aside from the fact that I think you're really arguing semantics - technology on the level they are talking about is an application of scientific knowledge - we're to fear robots, for example, not the wheel - but aside from that - you think they got rid of technology but kept practising chemistry? (Or whatever science you want to put in there)

We're to believe that they didn't just start from scratch, but that at some point we all just forgot the things they knew?

The only way that ending works is if everything is "reset," if we are meant to believe it was "this" Earth they were on at the end (which I believe was the show's intention).
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: kodiakthejuggler on March 22, 2009, 08:58:29 PM
Finally watched the last few episodes today. The one before the big finale was pretty boring, but the finale was fairly good. I liked how they revisited the opera house scenes as they finally happen outside the dream world. And the Chief's revenge was oh so very sweet! Also, when the Galactica jumped right into that spot outside the colony, and the guns start blazing... outstanding!!

Moore's cameo at the end, reading the paper about the mitochondrial eve... SOOOOOOO saw that one coming. I half expected to see Stan Lee standing next to him.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: Tony on March 22, 2009, 09:07:29 PM
Aside from the fact that I think you're really arguing semantics - technology on the level they are talking about is an application of scientific knowledge - we're to fear robots, for example, not the wheel - but aside from that - you think they got rid of technology but kept practising chemistry? (Or whatever science you want to put in there)

We're to believe that they didn't just start from scratch, but that at some point we all just forgot the things they knew?

The only way that ending works is if everything is "reset," if we are meant to believe it was "this" Earth they were on at the end (which I believe was the show's intention).

We're only talking about the premise of the show here, of course. They created computer technology to the point that it became sufficiently sentient to rebel against it's own slavery, and the consequent (first) war against human kind. There's a huge difference between "AI" and "advanced computing", and in the cricumstances they created for this universe, it's entirely in plausible human nature that they'd be very skittish about making anything that could go from 01 + 01 = 10 to "I think therefore I am, where the hell's my gun?"

In our real world there's a parallel, however small: Germany developed chemical warfare in WW1, and since then it has been banned by universal convention for use in warfare: This didn't stop nations and corporations from developing toxic chemicals deliberately or as a by-product (unfortunately) but it did make people more aware of the dangers of advanced (chemical) technology and the morality of it's use in war (I won't even bother to talk about the contradictions in "morality + war").

Same difference. We live with the advancement in technology (which is advanced by scientific research) as long as it doesn't kill us now.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: Edward J Grug III on March 22, 2009, 09:21:31 PM
But robots weren't the only thing they got rid of.

The ships and all of their contents didn't have AI, and yet they got rid of them all to have peace.

As if having space ships, books, medicine etc etc = more killer robots.

Anti-science. Anti-knowledge.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: BathTub on March 22, 2009, 09:28:19 PM
As for the lack of screen time for the other cylons: The show was about Galactica, 6s and 8s were the ones aboard Galactica the most. 

lol  :P

What came first, less use of the Model 2's because they weren't written in or they weren't written in to reduce the need for the actor? That's the question.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on March 22, 2009, 09:51:53 PM
But robots weren't the only thing they got rid of.

The ships and all of their contents didn't have AI, and yet they got rid of them all to have peace.

As if having space ships, books, medicine etc etc = more killer robots.

Anti-science. Anti-knowledge.

You need to put it in the context of the show, they had been through hell because of technology, last planet they tried to build a city on didn't turn out so well (even before the cylons showed up things were not going that well), and they had been living for a long time crammed into space ships.  It's not that big a leap that most of those people would jump at the idea of starting over and living a technology free life. 

It's more of a cautionary tale than outright hatred of technology. 

Ironically, it was actually Arthur C. Clark who stated that "law" about technology & magic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clarke%27s_three_laws).

Wow, I had read/heard that quote several times and never knew it was Clark that came up with it.


Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: Edward J Grug III on March 22, 2009, 10:00:37 PM
You need to put it in the context of the show, they had been through hell because of technology, last planet they tried to build a city on didn't turn out so well (even before the cylons showed up things were not going that well), and they had been living for a long time crammed into space ships.  It's not that big a leap that most of those people would jump at the idea of starting over and living a technology free life. 

It's more of a cautionary tale than outright hatred of technology. 


I really find it impossible to believe that every single one of the 32, 000 (That was the number, right?) was prepared to abandon all technology, yes. But that's not all they gave up, you are only talking about the physical things, what happened to the knowledge they had as well? Why did humanity have to go back to year dot as well?

Clearly they stopped practising medicine, for example, since we as humanity had to go on to discover it again later.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on March 22, 2009, 10:24:00 PM
You need to put it in the context of the show, they had been through hell because of technology, last planet they tried to build a city on didn't turn out so well (even before the cylons showed up things were not going that well), and they had been living for a long time crammed into space ships.  It's not that big a leap that most of those people would jump at the idea of starting over and living a technology free life. 

It's more of a cautionary tale than outright hatred of technology. 


I really find it impossible to believe that every single one of the 32, 000 (That was the number, right?) was prepared to abandon all technology, yes. But that's not all they gave up, you are only talking about the physical things, what happened to the knowledge they had as well? Why did humanity have to go back to year dot as well?

Clearly they stopped practising medicine, for example, since we as humanity had to go on to discover it again later.

The debate on that could have taken several episodes, remember the shows leading up to New Caprica?  Time was very compressed at the end, like it has been all season, months going by between episodes, it had to take at least a few weeks to get everyone down off the ships.

Let's face it, they all died out, Hera is our ancestor, there are no early human remains from 150,000 years ago on any continent except Africa.  Either the writers set that date on purpose or made a mistake and should have put the landing 40,000 years ago after humans had spread everywhere except the Americas.  Remember what Lee said, pretty much the only thing they were going to give to the natives was language.

Trying to break the cycle of mistakes was a main theme throughout the show (kobol, Earth I, Caprica), this show was their final attempt.

Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: Edward J Grug III on March 22, 2009, 10:25:35 PM
When has pretending something didn't happen ever stopped it from happening again?
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: Tony on March 22, 2009, 10:27:11 PM
But robots weren't the only thing they got rid of.

The ships and all of their contents didn't have AI, and yet they got rid of them all to have peace.

As if having space ships, books, medicine etc etc = more killer robots.

Anti-science. Anti-knowledge.

Oh, you're talking about the end. Sorry, my mistake! Yeah, I thought that was more than slightly unlikely, but it fits with the very last few minutes of the end - it's really the only way they could shoe-horn the circumstances into having them be our ancestors without our knowledge. Not sure why they had to go that route, but it's too late to re-write it now.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: Edward J Grug III on March 22, 2009, 10:31:15 PM
Also, the current belief is that Mitochondrial Eve is from 140,000 years ago, so the writer's weren't really off at all.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitochondrial_Eve


Oh, you're talking about the end. Sorry, my mistake! Yeah, I thought that was more than slightly unlikely, but it fits with the very last few minutes of the end - it's really the only way they could shoe-horn the circumstances into having them be our ancestors without our knowledge. Not sure why they had to go that route, but it's too late to re-write it now.

I personally think they wrote themselves into a corner.

"Uh... yeah... Jeebus did it..."
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on March 22, 2009, 10:41:01 PM

I personally think they wrote themselves into a corner.

"Uh... yeah... Jeebus did it..."

I'll agree with that, they wrote themselves into corners more than once during the series.

What Ron basically said was that it's really about the characters, and in that respect the show is totally enjoyable, and they got enough of the techy stuff right to forgive the mistakes in astronomy, biology, and history.

Sorry, there is no Jeebus, there is only the Flying Spaghetti Monster....
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on March 22, 2009, 10:45:18 PM
Also, the current belief is that Mitochondrial Eve is from 140,000 years ago, so the writer's weren't really off at all.

Took me a while to remember the name and search for this, takes a while to load:

http://www.bradshawfoundation.com/journey/

Really good graphical history of the migration of modern humans.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: Tony on March 22, 2009, 10:45:31 PM
Also, the current belief is that Mitochondrial Eve is from 140,000 years ago, so the writer's weren't really off at all.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitochondrial_Eve


Oh, you're talking about the end. Sorry, my mistake! Yeah, I thought that was more than slightly unlikely, but it fits with the very last few minutes of the end - it's really the only way they could shoe-horn the circumstances into having them be our ancestors without our knowledge. Not sure why they had to go that route, but it's too late to re-write it now.

I personally think they wrote themselves into a corner.

"Uh... yeah... Jeebus did it..."

Naw, SF has infinite possibilities to speculate on. There are plenty of SF stories from the Golden Age on up that approach the nature of "God" from a lot of directions, and of course none of them are close to what traditional religion offers.

Now that I think about it, it's entirely likely that the Caprica 6 "alter ego" of our Earth was being facetious when she called "it" God...
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: Tony on March 22, 2009, 11:06:32 PM
Also, the current belief is that Mitochondrial Eve is from 140,000 years ago, so the writer's weren't really off at all.

Took me a while to remember the name and search for this, takes a while to load:

http://www.bradshawfoundation.com/journey/

Really good graphical history of the migration of modern humans.

As that little red line crept down Indonesia I was thinking "yeah, and then Krakatoa blew and wiped out everything". As soon as I thought that, there's this sound of a massive explosion and Mt Toba wipes everything out. I know it's SO wrong but the irony of it just made me bust up laughing.

Anyway, fascinating stuff. Thanks for the link.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: Edward J Grug III on March 23, 2009, 05:16:36 AM
Also, the current belief is that Mitochondrial Eve is from 140,000 years ago, so the writer's weren't really off at all.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitochondrial_Eve


Oh, you're talking about the end. Sorry, my mistake! Yeah, I thought that was more than slightly unlikely, but it fits with the very last few minutes of the end - it's really the only way they could shoe-horn the circumstances into having them be our ancestors without our knowledge. Not sure why they had to go that route, but it's too late to re-write it now.

I personally think they wrote themselves into a corner.

"Uh... yeah... Jeebus did it..."

Naw, SF has infinite possibilities to speculate on. There are plenty of SF stories from the Golden Age on up that approach the nature of "God" from a lot of directions, and of course none of them are close to what traditional religion offers.

Now that I think about it, it's entirely likely that the Caprica 6 "alter ego" of our Earth was being facetious when she called "it" God...

Again, I have no problem with speculation on God or God-like ideas, it's coupling them with anti-science and anti-knowledge messages that ruined it for me.

And even if I closed my eyes to that, it was handled terribly.

I also saw someone else mention something interesting, it also implies that this is where white people came from, and that has troubling implications.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: SmilinJackRoss on March 23, 2009, 06:25:26 AM
I also saw someone else mention something interesting, it also implies that this is where white people came from, and that has troubling implications.

How so?
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: Tony on March 23, 2009, 08:20:04 AM
I also saw someone else mention something interesting, it also implies that this is where white people came from, and that has troubling implications.

Hmmmm....

Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on March 23, 2009, 09:07:30 AM
I also saw someone else mention something interesting, it also implies that this is where white people came from, and that has troubling implications.

Who ever said that was a moron.  Genetically we all came from the same group in Africa.  Changes in body shape and color happen relatively quickly once a population stays in one environment.  Animals that move into caves lose their pigments and eyes so fast you can start to see it happen in lab experiments.  Changes in the size and shape of available food will drive isolated bird populations to change the shape of their beaks in only a few generations.  Evolution for small changes like this can happen quite fast.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: Doctor Who? on March 23, 2009, 09:25:58 AM
I haven't seen the final yet but from reading these posts I'm guessing I shouldn't hold out hope for a dumb and cheesy spin off called Gallactica 2011?
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: MSTJedi on March 23, 2009, 09:32:41 AM
I haven't seen the final yet but from reading these posts I'm guessing I shouldn't hold out hope for a dumb and cheesy spin off called Gallactica 2011?

Thank God, no!
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: Doctor Who? on March 23, 2009, 09:35:24 AM
Oh I was looking forward to that.

I wanted to see another member of the Van Dyke family on TV again,taking orders from a white bearded Edward James Almos.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: MSTJedi on March 23, 2009, 09:40:26 AM
Oh I was looking forward to that.

I wanted to see another member of the Van Dyke family on TV again,taking orders from a white bearded Edward James Almos.

Just as long as it isn't Timothy Van Patten. Who needs a mumbly, mush-mouth Starbuck?
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: Doctor Who? on March 23, 2009, 09:46:48 AM
Well at least Caprica looks like it is going to be just as bad.

But it also looks like it will be no fun to watch.

Just think we may finally have a show that makes us look back fondly on galactica 1980
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on March 23, 2009, 10:02:24 AM
Well at least Caprica looks like it is going to be just as bad.

But it also looks like it will be no fun to watch.

Just think we may finally have a show that makes us look back fondly on galactica 1980

I have yet to see a preview that makes me want to watch Caprica.  I'll probably pick up the DVD for the pilot they are going to release before the show airs, the fact they are doing that might be another sign that it's not that good. 

Moore got really lucky with Galactica, change a few actors, get a different composer, and it could have been really bad.

If Caprica is a stinker then I could probably unprogram SyFy from my TV, I've lost interest in Eureka and Sanctuary, so nothing else on there for me to watch other than the occasional rerun of older shows.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: Doctor Who? on March 23, 2009, 10:26:46 AM
I can't even stand watching reruns of older shows because they edit them to the point of the plots making no sense just to make room for a few more adds.

I lost direct TV about 7 months ago and I have to say the only thing I miss is Adult Swim.  They are the only program block on TV that still let's you watch the show unedited and with out adds on top of it.

I think Netflix is better then cable or Direct TV.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: Moleman on March 23, 2009, 10:39:08 AM
I haven't seen the final yet but from reading these posts I'm guessing I shouldn't hold out hope for a dumb and cheesy spin off called Gallactica 2011?

Nah instead they're going to do a Cylon Holiday Special following the adventures of the Cylons who are still out there using no dialogue and only hand gestures and distorted metallic grunts. ;D

Seriously though i'm so glad none of the explanation involved time travel because that was so stupid in Galactica 1980.  I still have never seen that whole series (7 episodes?) and never plan to.  I was a little worried that was going to be the explanation of Starbuck when they showed Earth destroyed that somehow she went back in time and did it somehow then came back a few months off with no memory.  It was actually a relief when she found her Viper because then I wasn't able to make sense of the time travel theory anymore.

Anyone complaining about the whole "God" explanation.....did you actually watch the whole series?  Its been clear for most of the shows life that there was a "higher power" orchestrating things.  This was no last minute cheap cop out to explain things, its been clear that something along those lines was there from the start.  I figured it was going to be a super advanced civilization like the guys in white robes in the original series (which were able to do things like teleport Apollo and Starbuck into their ship magically and be a person only Apollo could see while he inhabited someone else's body) but only because I didn't think they'd dare actually tie it into the God for fear of people somehow being offended, which apparently has happened.  I mean seriously that's like someone being offended because they had a gay character in the series.  We'd probably call that person a homophobe, right?  So to get upset that there is some kind of vague divinity they are referring to as "God" IN A SCIENCE FICTION SHOW......I'll stress the word FICITON.  How moronic can you get?  Godophobe!  :D

I don't know if that applies to anyone here but I made the mistake of visiting the scifi forums and *shutters........I'll never make that mistake again.  They might just be trolling but there seems to be a lot of hateful, bigotted people there.  If you don't like the show, fine.  Move on.  Its like the show killed their mother or something.  Go watch real shitty television like Lost.  I hear they're using time travel for their explanation.  That's farrrrr more beleivable.

In my earlier post it may have sounded like I didn't like the show, that's not true.  I did like the show even though there were many aspects I was disapointed with it.  Its just that the rest of television and movies these days are so unbeleivably horrible that it makes this show seem REALLY good.  There are about 4 shows on TV I'd watch right now: Burn Notice (One of the coolest shows in a long time), Mythbusters,  Eureka (When it ever comes back), and Monk since they're going to be in their last season when it returns.  There doesn't seem to be any shows coming up that look any good either.  Caprica looks like crap but I might give Stargate Universe a try since I liked Sg-1 and Atlantis, but I don't have very high hopes.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: BEERxTaco on March 23, 2009, 11:17:14 AM
So am I the only one who thinks the "first" Earth they found at the end of Season 4.1 was our Earth in the future (as in years from now) and that the Earth they wound up on at the end was still "our" Earth, but a long time ago in the past? You know, the black hole, time travel, bla bla bla. And all of this will indeed happen again...
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on March 23, 2009, 11:31:46 AM
Just found this:

http://cinemablend.com/television/Why-The-Battlestar-Galactica-Finale-Is-A-Huge-Copout-And-It-Doesn-t-Matter-16337.html

Pretty close to the way I feel about the ending.  It's a cop-out we should have seen coming based on what we've already seen.   But I'd add that they didn't completely cop out, Baltar's speech to Cavel listing the various possibilities for what is going on and head 6 saying "he doesn't like being called that name" open up lots of possibilities for what has been guiding them. 
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: SmilinJackRoss on March 23, 2009, 11:43:42 AM
That article echoes exactly what Rude was saying a couple days ago:

There were quite a few other issues that made it hard for me to call the finale "great" (including some horrible CGI, ugh.) But i think SmilinJackRoss nailed it when he said that the show resonates emotionally. Some of the best moments were emotional connections between the characters that sort of took place outside the plot. For example, i thought Roslin's death was a great scene and one that i'll always remember.

And I agree to a certain extent, they didn't justify all the weird plot mechanics that occured in the show over the past few years, (and I didn't really expect them too either...)  But in the end, I'm like that blogger MartyS linked to; What mattered were the characters, & the emotional depth of the writing and the acting, which is what resonated with me the most.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: Tony on March 23, 2009, 11:44:32 AM
http://cinemablend.com/television/Why-The-Battlestar-Galactica-Finale-Is-A-Huge-Copout-And-It-Doesn-t-Matter-16337.html

Well it's an opinion... Far too biased and reactionary for my taste: It sounds like a lot of sour grapes, IMHO anyway.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: BathTub on March 23, 2009, 01:35:57 PM
There is plenty of room for spin-offs, you have the 'free' Cylon Centurions, and the rest of the Cylon Fleet with the remaining model One, Two, Four, and Fives. Was anything ever said that suggested they couldn't make any more copies? Separate from resurrection.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: Edward J Grug III on March 23, 2009, 01:37:18 PM
I also saw someone else mention something interesting, it also implies that this is where white people came from, and that has troubling implications.

Who ever said that was a moron.  Genetically we all came from the same group in Africa. 

That is what ACTUALLY happened, yes, but the show implies that white people come from space.

We are shown a tribe of "savages" and an advanced people from space.

Which is which?
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: Doctor Who? on March 23, 2009, 01:51:26 PM
Sounds like BSG had a worse series final then Voyager.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on March 23, 2009, 01:53:24 PM
I also saw someone else mention something interesting, it also implies that this is where white people came from, and that has troubling implications.

Who ever said that was a moron.  Genetically we all came from the same group in Africa. 

That is what ACTUALLY happened, yes, but the show implies that white people come from space.

We are shown a tribe of "savages" and an advanced people from space.

Which is which?

That's a huge incorrect leap to say the show is implying any such thing.  Anyone that thinks that is injecting their own racism into the show.

At the end they talk about mitochondrial eve, the common ancestor of all humans as coming from Africa, so they are tying all of us to her.  There no mention of other genetic strains coming from other places.    That's why you have to assume all the other camps died out, it's the only way it fits with both real history and the very end of the show.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: Edward J Grug III on March 23, 2009, 01:56:15 PM
I also saw someone else mention something interesting, it also implies that this is where white people came from, and that has troubling implications.

Who ever said that was a moron.  Genetically we all came from the same group in Africa. 

That is what ACTUALLY happened, yes, but the show implies that white people come from space.

We are shown a tribe of "savages" and an advanced people from space.

Which is which?

That's a huge incorrect leap to say the show is implying any such thing.  Anyone that thinks that is injecting their own racism into the show.

At the end they talk about mitochondrial eve, the common ancestor of all humans as coming from Africa, so they are tying all of us to her.  There no mention of other genetic strains coming from other places.    That's why you have to assume all the other camps died out, it's the only way it fits with both real history and the very end of the show.


I think you might be forgetting it takes two people to make a baby.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on March 23, 2009, 02:09:16 PM
There is plenty of room for spin-offs, you have the 'free' Cylon Centurions, and the rest of the Cylon Fleet with the remaining model One, Two, Four, and Fives. Was anything ever said that suggested they couldn't make any more copies? Separate from resurrection.

The question is, do any of the skin jobs that might be aboard the basestars that were away from the colony know how to make more skin jobs?  Or was that technology lost when the colony was destroyed.  

Also you would think if they were able to make new versions of themselves they wouldn't be so desperate to get Hera and doing all the talk about extinction?  The show never talked about if they were able to make additional copies even when they had resurrection...
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on March 23, 2009, 02:11:37 PM
I also saw someone else mention something interesting, it also implies that this is where white people came from, and that has troubling implications.

Who ever said that was a moron.  Genetically we all came from the same group in Africa. 

That is what ACTUALLY happened, yes, but the show implies that white people come from space.

We are shown a tribe of "savages" and an advanced people from space.

Which is which?

That's a huge incorrect leap to say the show is implying any such thing.  Anyone that thinks that is injecting their own racism into the show.

At the end they talk about mitochondrial eve, the common ancestor of all humans as coming from Africa, so they are tying all of us to her.  There no mention of other genetic strains coming from other places.    That's why you have to assume all the other camps died out, it's the only way it fits with both real history and the very end of the show.


I think you might be forgetting it takes two people to make a baby.

Did you watch the show?  They said that the natives were genetically compatible.  So Hera mixed with the natives to make modern humans (us).
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: Rude on March 23, 2009, 02:19:53 PM
Quote from: MartyS (Gromit)
So Hera mixed with the natives to make modern humans (us).

Wouldn't that mean that Hera's daughter was actually mankind's common ancestor?

-Rude
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: Edward J Grug III on March 23, 2009, 02:39:37 PM
Quote from: MartyS (Gromit)
So Hera mixed with the natives to make modern humans (us).

Wouldn't that mean that Hera's daughter was actually mankind's common ancestor?

-Rude

Yes, exactly.

I suspect that MartyS maybe not understanding what Mitochondrial Eve is.

Hera ISN'T the beginning of life, she's the beginning of one particular thing that all life on Earth now has in common (mtDNA).

Otherwise HER mother would be Mitochondrial Eve.

It's like, imagine all people on Earth now had blue eyes. Not all life had blue eyes to begin with, but it is either a trait that was dominant or important to survival somehow.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on March 23, 2009, 02:44:57 PM
Quote from: MartyS (Gromit)
So Hera mixed with the natives to make modern humans (us).

Wouldn't that mean that Hera's daughter was actually mankind's common ancestor?

-Rude

Mitochondrial DNA is passed only from the mother, so all Hera's children would have her mitochondrial DNA.   If they found Athena's body she would have been called mitochondrial eve.

Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: Edward J Grug III on March 23, 2009, 02:47:17 PM
Quote from: MartyS (Gromit)
So Hera mixed with the natives to make modern humans (us).

Wouldn't that mean that Hera's daughter was actually mankind's common ancestor?

-Rude

Mitochondrial DNA is passed only from the mother, so all Hera's children would have her mitochondrial DNA.   If they found Athena's body she would have been called mitochondrial eve.



Hera was the first instance of mitochondrial DNA, that doesn't mean that she didn't "infect" the "savages" with it.

It doesn't change the implications of the show at all.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: BathTub on March 23, 2009, 02:55:49 PM
There is plenty of room for spin-offs, you have the 'free' Cylon Centurions, and the rest of the Cylon Fleet with the remaining model One, Two, Four, and Fives. Was anything ever said that suggested they couldn't make any more copies? Separate from resurrection.

The question is, do any of the skin jobs that might be aboard the basestars that were away from the colony know how to make more skin jobs?  Or was that technology lost when the colony was destroyed.  

Also you would think if they were able to make new versions of themselves they wouldn't be so desperate to get Hera and doing all the talk about extinction?  The show never talked about if they were able to make additional copies even when they had resurrection...

Well it's suggests that the Cylons were amazing morons if they kept that information in one place and secret from themselves. Which was part of my problem with not being able to rebuild the resurrection tech in the first place.

I see what you are saying, I had separated the two things 'resurrection' and 'new copies' but from the show it seems that they were treated as the same thing. I guess I was also thinking that individuals still fear death and that was driving some of them.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on March 23, 2009, 03:09:27 PM
Quote from: MartyS (Gromit)
So Hera mixed with the natives to make modern humans (us).

Wouldn't that mean that Hera's daughter was actually mankind's common ancestor?

-Rude

Mitochondrial DNA is passed only from the mother, so all Hera's children would have her mitochondrial DNA.   If they found Athena's body she would have been called mitochondrial eve.



Hera was the first instance of mitochondrial DNA, that doesn't mean that she didn't "infect" the "savages" with it.

It doesn't change the implications of the show at all.

Are you saying she did or or did not mix with the natives?  You've got a double negative in that sentance...

Anyway mitocondrial eve wasn't the first to have mitochondrial DNA, it's just that all current humans have some of hers in us and that fossil is the oldest to have it.  

It's simple, Hera mixed with the natives to produce children, those children became the dominant speicies on the planet.  So she is the mother of all of us.  Everyone else doesn't matter, they all must have died out.  

There are no implications, using time travel, drop a northern european white family alone in central Africa 150,000 years ago and let them breed under the proper conditions their decendants would look like black people do now.  In fact skin color and facial features can change way faster than that, 20,000 years would probably be enough.   Now if you don't belive in evolution there's no point talking about this subject any more.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: Edward J Grug III on March 23, 2009, 03:24:39 PM

Are you saying she did or or did not mix with the natives?  You've got a double negative in that sentance...

Anyway mitocondrial eve wasn't the first to have mitochondrial DNA, it's just that all current humans have some of hers in us and that fossil is the oldest to have it.  

It's simple, Hera mixed with the natives to produce children, those children became the dominant speicies on the planet.  So she is the mother of all of us.  Everyone else doesn't matter, they all must have died out.  

There are no implications, using time travel, drop a northern european white family alone in central Africa 150,000 years ago and let them breed under the proper conditions they would look like black people do now.  In fact skin color and facial features can change way faster than that, 20,000 years would probably be enough.   Now if you don't belive in evolution there's no point talking about this subject any more.

I DO believe in evolution, you are taking me waaaay wrong.

1) I implied she DID bread with the natives of Earth.

2) I'm saying that the show offers an alternative theory of how white people came to be. You can try to fit it around what our knowledge (of our Earth) is now, but you will still be missing the important puzzle piece, there were 30 something thousand white people dumped on the Earth. YES, Hera's ancestors are the ones that survive, but the mtDNA didn't have to become dominant in the very next generation for that to have happened. It may have taken hundreds or thousands of years. It does NOT rule out anyone else on Earth crossbreed with ANYone else, "savage" or spaceman.

3) The show posits that the black man was a creation of God, and while it doesn't suggest evolution DOESN'T happen, it doesn't say it does either. The mtDNA becoming common, if it starts with Hera, isn't actually an example of evolution, but an example of natural selection. They are tied but not necessarily the same thing.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: SmilinJackRoss on March 23, 2009, 03:32:17 PM
I think you guys are putting more thought into this than even Ron Moore did.  I don't know if that's good or bad.

Either way, I think it's a bit of a stretch to assume there's some kind of racism or commentary on white people going on here.  I'm with Marty....all they wanted to do was say:

"hey! this whole time you thought this was a futuristic show, but really it happened a long time ago in a galaxy far far away!  And much of humanity's culture and language came from these people!  Isn't that cool?  Yeah, we thought so too!"
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on March 23, 2009, 03:43:53 PM

Are you saying she did or or did not mix with the natives?  You've got a double negative in that sentance...

Anyway mitocondrial eve wasn't the first to have mitochondrial DNA, it's just that all current humans have some of hers in us and that fossil is the oldest to have it.  

It's simple, Hera mixed with the natives to produce children, those children became the dominant speicies on the planet.  So she is the mother of all of us.  Everyone else doesn't matter, they all must have died out.  

There are no implications, using time travel, drop a northern european white family alone in central Africa 150,000 years ago and let them breed under the proper conditions they would look like black people do now.  In fact skin color and facial features can change way faster than that, 20,000 years would probably be enough.   Now if you don't belive in evolution there's no point talking about this subject any more.

I DO believe in evolution, you are taking me waaaay wrong.

1) I implied she DID bread with the natives of Earth.

2) I'm saying that the show offers an alternative theory of how white people came to be. You can try to fit it around what our knowledge (of our Earth) is now, but you will still be missing the important puzzle piece, there were 30 something thousand white people dumped on the Earth. YES, Hera's ancestors are the ones that survive, but the mtDNA didn't have to become dominant in the very next generation for that to have happened. It may have taken hundreds or thousands of years. It does NOT rule out anyone else on Earth crossbreed with ANYone else, "savage" or spaceman.

3) The show posits that the black man was a creation of God, and while it doesn't suggest evolution DOESN'T happen, it doesn't say it does either. The mtDNA becoming common, if it starts with Hera, isn't actually an example of evolution, but an example of natural selection. They are tied but not necessarily the same thing.

#2 would only be true if the Earth shown at the end was a fictional earth.  If they were intending to show current real Earth then the implication is that all the descendants of those 39,000 people died out very quickly since there's no fossil record of them.  And there would be different mitochondrial strains today for white people if they were the descendants of other members of the fleet.  They seemed to be trying to show the real Earth today, so that's why I dismiss the implication that the show was offering some alternate source for different races.

Not hard to believe they all died out, most from viruses and bacteria since they gave up their medical technology (don't start that discussion again), and just the plain fact that they wouldn't know how to fend for themselves without technology, same as most city dwellers today wouldn't even know how to plant a garden to grow some food for themselves.

#3:  True Hera's DNA being injected into the natives would not be an example of evolution, but evolution would easily explain why her descendants would look like all the people currently on Earth.

I think you guys are putting more thought into this than even Ron Moore did.  I don't know if that's good or bad.

Either way, I think it's a bit of a stretch to assume there's some kind of racism or commentary on white people going on here.  I'm with Marty....all they wanted to do was say:

"hey! this whole time you thought this was a futuristic show, but really it happened a long time ago in a galaxy far far away!  And much of humanity's culture and language came from these people!  Isn't that cool?  Yeah, we thought so too!"

Yes, reading interviews with Ron about how he wrote the show I'm sure we are thinking about the scientific aspects way more than he did.. ;D

Edit:  Thinking about that, I wonder if this show would have been better or worse if they had used a scientific advisor during it?  Might have avoided some of the mistakes in astronomy and other sciences they made but would it have had a negative impact on the character development?  Ron aways said he didn't want this to be like Star Trek, with technical explanations for everything, but a little research would have avoided some of the technical mistakes.   Especially since we now know the show was 150,000 years ago that due to stellar drift none of the constellations would look like they do now, from either Earth....

Edit 2: About our culture mirroring theirs.  That's also feasible, we know most ancient civilizations on earth developed nearly the same myths, even those isolated from each other for 10s of thousands of years have striking similarities in the myths they told.  So there's something in our makeup that drives us to all think in similar ways no matter when or where we live.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: Edward J Grug III on March 23, 2009, 04:28:11 PM

Are you saying she did or or did not mix with the natives?  You've got a double negative in that sentance...

Anyway mitocondrial eve wasn't the first to have mitochondrial DNA, it's just that all current humans have some of hers in us and that fossil is the oldest to have it.  

It's simple, Hera mixed with the natives to produce children, those children became the dominant speicies on the planet.  So she is the mother of all of us.  Everyone else doesn't matter, they all must have died out.  

There are no implications, using time travel, drop a northern european white family alone in central Africa 150,000 years ago and let them breed under the proper conditions they would look like black people do now.  In fact skin color and facial features can change way faster than that, 20,000 years would probably be enough.   Now if you don't belive in evolution there's no point talking about this subject any more.

I DO believe in evolution, you are taking me waaaay wrong.

1) I implied she DID bread with the natives of Earth.

2) I'm saying that the show offers an alternative theory of how white people came to be. You can try to fit it around what our knowledge (of our Earth) is now, but you will still be missing the important puzzle piece, there were 30 something thousand white people dumped on the Earth. YES, Hera's ancestors are the ones that survive, but the mtDNA didn't have to become dominant in the very next generation for that to have happened. It may have taken hundreds or thousands of years. It does NOT rule out anyone else on Earth crossbreed with ANYone else, "savage" or spaceman.

3) The show posits that the black man was a creation of God, and while it doesn't suggest evolution DOESN'T happen, it doesn't say it does either. The mtDNA becoming common, if it starts with Hera, isn't actually an example of evolution, but an example of natural selection. They are tied but not necessarily the same thing.

#2 would only be true if the Earth shown at the end was a fictional earth.  If they were intending to show current real Earth then the implication is that all the descendants of those 39,000 people died out very quickly since there's no fossil record of them.  And there would be different mitochondrial strains today for white people if they were the descendants of other members of the fleet.  They seemed to be trying to show the real Earth today, so that's why I dismiss the implication that the show was offering some alternate source for different races.

Not hard to believe they all died out, most from viruses and bacteria since they gave up their medical technology (don't start that discussion again), and just the plain fact that they wouldn't know how to fend for themselves without technology, same as most city dwellers today wouldn't even know how to plant a garden to grow some food for themselves.

#3:  True Hera's DNA being injected into the natives would not be an example of evolution, but evolution would easily explain why her descendants would look like all the people currently on Earth.


#2 - There wasn't a spontaneous mass extinction. The people didn't die out, they cross-bred.

(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y86/tedprior/BSGisdumb.gif)

H = Hera
X = No mtDNA
M = mtDNA

#3 - Yes it would (does) in the real world, but I still don't think that's what the text implies. We KNOW that these people were introduced now.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: Edward J Grug III on March 23, 2009, 04:40:01 PM
I'm just going to point out that I'm not suggesting Ron Moore put any of in there intentionally, just that this an interpretation the text.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: Doctor Who? on March 23, 2009, 04:41:13 PM
This thread is one of the most confusing things I have ever read,and I once read the screenplay to TSWHS backwards and underwater.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on March 23, 2009, 04:42:27 PM
I think I see your error.  Mitocondrial DNA is found in all animals on this planet, Hera was not the first to have it (since she got it from Athena and the cylons were based on human DNA we have to assume everyone on the fleet also had it), but her strain was passed down to all her decendants, and all people on Earth can be traced back to her, so that would rule out cross breeding (unless only male decendants from the fleet were able to cross breed).
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: Doctor Who? on March 23, 2009, 04:45:19 PM
Wow it's gotten so you need a PHD just to post in this thread or watch BSG.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: Edward J Grug III on March 23, 2009, 04:54:30 PM
I think I see your error.  Mitocondrial DNA is found in all animals on this planet, Hera was not the first to have it (since she got it from Athena and the cylons were based on human DNA we have to assume everyone on the fleet also had it), but her strain was passed down to all her decendants, and all people on Earth can be traced back to her, so that would rule out cross breading (unless only male decendants from the fleet were able to cross breed).

I'm not saying that's where Mitochondrial DNA STARTS, but where that STRAND starts.

If all humans and animals had the same mtDNA then the Mitochondrial Eve wouldn't even be a thing.

This thread is one of the most confusing things I have ever read,and I once read the screenplay to TSWHS backwards and underwater.

Haha, it will make more sense if you see the show.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: Doctor Who? on March 23, 2009, 04:59:05 PM
Yeah I just have to wait for the DvD.

Any word on when that is coming.

Strangely enough it sounds like the show ended where I thought it was going to end the first time i watched season one.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: Rude on March 23, 2009, 05:10:44 PM
Quote from: MartyS (Gromit)
Ron aways said he didn't want this to be like Star Trek, with technical explanations for everything, but a little research would have avoided some of the technical mistakes.

I think the writers for BSG were a little too "off the cuff," for me. They took the story in unexpected directions without really focusing on the implications those decisions would have to the series' overall mythology. It's as if they approached each idea with the intention that they would write themselves out of a corner later on down the road... and only if they had to. I think that's why the final season may have felt very uneven and rushed to me.

LOST suffered from the same problems just a few short seasons into it's run. However, i think the creators and writers of that show are much more committed to the world they've created. They manage to produce some great character-driven drama while still paying attention to the minutia of their show. It's a different style of writing, of course... but i think i actually prefer the more thought out approach.

-Rude
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: Edward J Grug III on March 23, 2009, 05:19:58 PM
Quote from: MartyS (Gromit)
Ron aways said he didn't want this to be like Star Trek, with technical explanations for everything, but a little research would have avoided some of the technical mistakes.

I think the writers for BSG were a little too "off the cuff," for me. They took the story in unexpected directions without really focusing on the implications those decisions would have to the series' overall mythology. It's as if they approached each idea with the intention that they would write themselves out of a corner later on down the road... and only if they had to. I think that's why the final season may have felt very uneven and rushed to me.

-Rude

I agree. I think they had an overall idea of where they were headed, but they played a little fast and free during the show and set up stuff that they had to give very unsatisfactory answers.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on March 23, 2009, 06:51:10 PM
I think I see your error.  Mitocondrial DNA is found in all animals on this planet, Hera was not the first to have it (since she got it from Athena and the cylons were based on human DNA we have to assume everyone on the fleet also had it), but her strain was passed down to all her decendants, and all people on Earth can be traced back to her, so that would rule out cross breading (unless only male decendants from the fleet were able to cross breed).

I'm not saying that's where Mitochondrial DNA STARTS, but where that STRAND starts.

If her strand is in all of us, and all the migration paths for us lead back to one location, then all female bloodlines from other people in the fleet died out, or there would be multiple strains and paths.   So the only way the show fits into reality is every other female bloodline dies out quickly, leaving no fossil or genetic record.    Fossils are rare, so you could have isolated groups of people from the fleet survive for a generation or 2 and not leave any trace.

That all said, I'm not sure how reasonable it is to have a bunch of new DNA dumped into a population and have only one strain dominate all of them and be the only one to survive.   So I think any chance of the show fitting into reality is really slim, that leaves it as fantasy, which is a better way to look at the show anyway....
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on March 23, 2009, 06:58:17 PM
Yeah I just have to wait for the DvD.

Any word on when that is coming.

I can't find the post now but I thought The Digital Bits said the DVD set was coming out in May.  With extended versions of 3 episodes including the finale (20 minutes extra on the 3 hours fo the finale).

Rumor is the entire series is supposed to be out on Blu-Ray in late July.  I'm sure that will be pricey, but I'll probably get it...

Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: Doctor Who? on March 23, 2009, 07:01:10 PM
Great.

I may just end up netflixing the series on Blue ray since I already have season one(the only season I really liked every episode of)on HDDVD until the price comes down.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: Edward J Grug III on March 23, 2009, 07:05:53 PM
If her strand is in all of us, and all the migration paths for us lead back to one location, then all female bloodlines from other people in the fleet died out, or there would be multiple strains and paths.   So the only way the show fits into reality is every other female bloodline dies out quickly, leaving no fossil or genetic record.    Fossils are rare, so you could have isolated groups of people from the fleet survive for a generation or 2 and not leave any trace.

That all said, I'm not sure how reasonable it is to have a bunch of new DNA dumped into a population and have only one strain dominate all of them and be the only one to survive.   So I think any chance of the show fitting into reality is really slim, that leaves it as fantasy, which is a better way to look at the show anyway....

Common Misconceptions of Mitochrondrial Eve:

Quote
Allan Wilson's naming Mitochondrial Eve after Eve of the Genesis creation story has led to some misunderstandings among the general public. A common misconception is that Mitochondrial Eve was the only living human female of her time. Had this been the case, humanity would have long since become extinct due to an extreme example of a population bottleneck.[citation needed]

Indeed, not only were many women alive at the same time as Mitochondrial Eve but many of them have living descendants through their sons. While the mtDNA of these women is gone, their Nuclear genes are present in today's population.

What distinguishes Mitochondrial Eve (and her matrilineal ancestors) from all her female contemporaries is that she has a purely matrilineal line of descent to all humans alive today, whereas all her female contemporaries with descendants alive today have at least one male in every line of descent. Because mitochondrial DNA is only passed through matrilineal descent, all humans alive today have mitochondrial DNA that is traceable back to Mitochondrial Eve.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: Edward J Grug III on March 23, 2009, 07:20:53 PM
In other words, unless you think she was asexually reproducing of course there are multiple strains and paths.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: Doctor Who? on March 23, 2009, 07:23:23 PM
It will be interesting to see if this show is still remembered as a good show say 15 years from now,or if it's going to date just as much as the old show and only be remembered as good by the people who watched it when it was first on.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: Edward J Grug III on March 23, 2009, 07:25:59 PM
It will be interesting to see if this show is still remembered as a good show say 15 years from now,or if it's going to date just as much as the old show and only be remembered as good by the people who watched it when it was first on.

It's no longer good now. :P

Honestly, I don't think I could ever revisit the show with the knowledge that I have now.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: Doctor Who? on March 23, 2009, 07:45:50 PM
Well that's what i think will be interesting to see.

When it first came on everyone just assumed the old show would be completely forgotten and that whenever people talked about BSG from now on they would be talking about the news show.

While I still think that will be true to some extent I think the old show will be more likely to be rewatched ten years from now for the reason that it has already dated al it is going to while this show is only just starting to date.

Also the old show has been so trashed over the years that I think people who catch an episode or two will be surprised to find out it's not the complete garbage dump a lot of critics made it out to be.

The new show on the other hand has been build up to the point of being called the greatest tv show of all time and i can't help but think when people try to watch it ten years from now it will fail to live up to that.

But only time will tell.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on March 23, 2009, 07:51:34 PM
In other words, unless you think she was asexually reproducing of course there are multiple strains and paths.

Yes, I know it's not one person but the clan or tribe they were a part of.

The paths I was refering to were the migration paths, supported by both DNA and fossils, they all lead to a small area in Africa, and in the show they said they were spreading the people out to different continents.  So all those people had to die out, leaving only a small group that Hera was a part of.

Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: Edward J Grug III on March 23, 2009, 08:01:55 PM
In other words, unless you think she was asexually reproducing of course there are multiple strains and paths.

Yes, I know it's not one person but the clan or tribe they were a part of.

The paths I was refering to were the migration paths, supported by both DNA and fossils, they all lead to a small area in Africa, and in the show they said they were spreading the people out to different continents.  So all those people had to die out, leaving only a small group that Hera was a part of.



Do you think Hera was left literally on her own in Africa?

Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on March 23, 2009, 08:06:25 PM
In other words, unless you think she was asexually reproducing of course there are multiple strains and paths.

Yes, I know it's not one person but the clan or tribe they were a part of.

The paths I was refering to were the migration paths, supported by both DNA and fossils, they all lead to a small area in Africa, and in the show they said they were spreading the people out to different continents.  So all those people had to die out, leaving only a small group that Hera was a part of.



Do you think Hera was left literally on her own in Africa?

??  I said "small group" ??  Not alone...
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: Edward J Grug III on March 23, 2009, 08:12:47 PM
So what are you having a problem with, exactly, with my reading that both the BSGers and the inhabitants of the Earth cross-bred?

And that their offspring cross-bread and so on until all lines contained the common mtDNA and that is how we came to have a common ancestor in Hera?
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on March 23, 2009, 09:25:55 PM
So what are you having a problem with, exactly, with my reading that both the BSGers and the inhabitants of the Earth cross-bred?

And that their offspring cross-bread and so on until all lines contained the common mtDNA and that is how we came to have a common ancestor in Hera?

My problem is with the numbers, in order for it to fit in with what we know really happened it would have to be only a small group that mixed with a small group of natives, say no more than a few thousand total.

If you say that one group survived, what about the 37,000 others spread around the world?  If one group survived why did all the others die out without a trace.

Ignore what they said in the show about spreading out and put them all in one place, take that diagram you made and put 20,000 Xs on each side of Hera (colonials + a few thousand natives), kind of hard to imagine the only maternal line that survives is hers.  Theoretically it might be possible, but likely?

Of course if you take the show at face value then it was the angels that messed with the bloodlines, pushing Hera's offspring and diminishing all others.  Now that fits with a lot of science fiction stories about cosmic weed pickers and gardeners that try to promote intelligent species.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: Edward J Grug III on March 23, 2009, 09:41:20 PM
So what are you having a problem with, exactly, with my reading that both the BSGers and the inhabitants of the Earth cross-bred?

And that their offspring cross-bread and so on until all lines contained the common mtDNA and that is how we came to have a common ancestor in Hera?

My problem is with the numbers, in order for it to fit in with what we know really happened it would have to be only a small group that mixed with a small group of natives, say no more than a few thousand total.

If you say that one group survived, what about the 37,000 others spread around the world?  If one group survived why did all the others die out without a trace.

Ignore what they said in the show about spreading out and put them all in one place, take that diagram you made and put 20,000 Xs on each side of Hera (colonials + a few thousand natives), kind of hard to imagine the only maternal line that survives is hers.  Theoretically it might be possible, but likely?

Of course if you take the show at face value then it was the angels that messed with the bloodlines, pushing Hera's offspring and diminishing all others.  Now that fits with a lot of science fiction stories about cosmic weed pickers and gardeners that try to promote intelligent species.


In 150 000 years, it is actually quite likely, believe it or not.

The estimate for the shortest time ago a MRCA (Most Recent Common Ancestor) could have existed is 3000 years.* Now a MRCA isn't the same thing as the Mitochondrial Eve, but it would, by necessity have to be related to her, and of course would then tie all of us back to her.

I never said that all of the people that left Africa lived (though some may have, it only takes the migration of Hera's clan to spread their DNA).


* read about it here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitochondrial_Eve
or here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Most_recent_common_ancestor
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: BathTub on March 23, 2009, 10:08:47 PM
Basically it's just a show and you should really just relax.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on March 23, 2009, 11:15:55 PM
So what are you having a problem with, exactly, with my reading that both the BSGers and the inhabitants of the Earth cross-bred?

And that their offspring cross-bread and so on until all lines contained the common mtDNA and that is how we came to have a common ancestor in Hera?

My problem is with the numbers, in order for it to fit in with what we know really happened it would have to be only a small group that mixed with a small group of natives, say no more than a few thousand total.

If you say that one group survived, what about the 37,000 others spread around the world?  If one group survived why did all the others die out without a trace.

Ignore what they said in the show about spreading out and put them all in one place, take that diagram you made and put 20,000 Xs on each side of Hera (colonials + a few thousand natives), kind of hard to imagine the only maternal line that survives is hers.  Theoretically it might be possible, but likely?

Of course if you take the show at face value then it was the angels that messed with the bloodlines, pushing Hera's offspring and diminishing all others.  Now that fits with a lot of science fiction stories about cosmic weed pickers and gardeners that try to promote intelligent species.


In 150 000 years, it is actually quite likely, believe it or not.

The estimate for the shortest time ago a MRCA (Most Recent Common Ancestor) could have existed is 3000 years.* Now a MRCA isn't the same thing as the Mitochondrial Eve, but it would, by necessity have to be related to her, and of course would then tie all of us back to her.

I never said that all of the people that left Africa lived (though some may have, it only takes the migration of Hera's clan to spread their DNA).

Those models are working backward to a common ancestor, I doubt any of the models are designed to deal with 39,000 new ancestors suddenly dropped into an existing gene pool, it's just not something that would happen naturally.

All the daughters of eve (mitochondrial DNA), sons of adam (y chromosome), and archaeology lead to one small area in Africa as the source for all modern humans.

In the show they said they were going to drop groups off in camps all over the planet, not that they would all walk out of one place.  Forgetting about genetics, there's no archaeological evidence of them, we do have bones of proto-humans back 6 million years, we can even tell Neanderthals split off about 500,000 years ago, so we are back to all the other camps dying off quickly not leaving a trace.   And we are back to the only camp that survives is the one with Hera.

Another interesting take would be that the people from the fleet brought new viruses and bacteria that cause a mild extinction event in both natives and the food supply, with Hera providing immunity to her clan, that would create the genetic bottleneck required to produce genetic adams and eves.  As far as I know there is still no explanation of what caused the human population to drop around 160,000 to 150,000 years ago and lead to a common set of ancestors for all of us. 
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: Edward J Grug III on March 24, 2009, 12:22:18 AM
Those models are working backward to a common ancestor, I doubt any of the models are designed to deal with 39,000 new ancestors suddenly dropped into an existing gene pool, it's just not something that would happen naturally.

All the daughters of eve (mitochondrial DNA), sons of adam (y chromosome), and archaeology lead to one small area in Africa as the source for all modern humans.

In the show they said they were going to drop groups off in camps all over the planet, not that they would all walk out of one place.  Forgetting about genetics, there's no archaeological evidence of them, we do have bones of proto-humans back 6 million years, we can even tell Neanderthals split off about 500,000 years ago, so we are back to all the other camps dying off quickly not leaving a trace.   And we are back to the only camp that survives is the one with Hera.

There's no archeological evidence of any of the 39, 000 people arriving on Earth, and yet you and I, the viewer, know it happened. So a lack of evidense proves nothing except that it hasn't been found yet (or that there's a huge hole in the plot).

Not to mention, Hera herself was discovered that very day.

And they have the added bonus of the magic of God, who they have already said is guiding things along.

You're right, the model does not take those people into account, but there's no reason it should since that's not what it's measuring. It's just saying that the people who are alive - right now - all share a common ancestor. those 39 000 people breeding into the pool would change nothing of that, it's completely irrelevant.

Another interesting take would be that the people from the fleet brought new viruses and bacteria that cause a mild extinction event in both natives and the food supply, with Hera providing immunity to her clan, that would create the genetic bottleneck required to produce genetic adams and eves.  As far as I know there is still no explanation of what caused the human population to drop around 160,000 to 150,000 years ago and lead to a common set of ancestors for all of us. 

And maybe they all slipped in the shower.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on March 24, 2009, 10:14:51 AM
There's no archeological evidence of any of the 39, 000 people arriving on Earth, and yet you and I, the viewer, know it happened. So a lack of evidense proves nothing except that it hasn't been found yet (or that there's a huge hole in the plot).

Not to mention, Hera herself was discovered that very day.
And here I thought we were playing the game of trying to fit the show into our reality, not the other way around, there's no fun in that...  And yes, if all the camps except the one with Hera didn't die out quickly, it's a scientific plot hole.  They made quite a few Astronomical errors, so no surprise they would make biological and archaeological ones as well.
"That very day"? The show jumped ahead 150,000 years, they could pick any day they wanted, of course they would pick that day.  It may have been a bit corny but not a plot hole or anything.
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And they have the added bonus of the magic of God, who they have already said is guiding things along.

You're right, the model does not take those people into account, but there's no reason it should since that's not what it's measuring. It's just saying that the people who are alive - right now - all share a common ancestor. those 39 000 people breeding into the pool would change nothing of that, it's completely irrelevant.

Again, if we are trying to fit the show into our reality then you would have to make a model that takes those 39,000 people and adds them into the gene pool to see if we still end up with one common ancestor.  If it runs and comes up with multiple ancestors for people today that would prove that what the show did was impossible, and therefore was another plot hole.  If it runs and you still get the same handful of common male and female ancestors our current models show actually happened, then what happened on the show was scientifically plausible.

Those models probably exist, since people do model stuff like when Europeans started invading the Americas and mixed with the natives, but the numbers are in the hundreds, not tens of thousands.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: BEERxTaco on March 24, 2009, 10:19:03 AM
So am I the only one who thinks the "first" Earth they found at the end of Season 4.1 was our Earth in the future (as in years from now) and that the Earth they wound up on at the end was still "our" Earth, but a long time ago in the past? You know, the black hole, time travel, bla bla bla. And all of this will indeed happen again...

Okay, so I guess I am... lol
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on March 24, 2009, 10:30:35 AM
So am I the only one who thinks the "first" Earth they found at the end of Season 4.1 was our Earth in the future (as in years from now) and that the Earth they wound up on at the end was still "our" Earth, but a long time ago in the past? You know, the black hole, time travel, bla bla bla. And all of this will indeed happen again...

Okay, so I guess I am... lol

Yea, I don't see it.  Only Galactica went near the black hole, the rest of the fleet was at the rendezvous coordinates.

It would also kind of change the story they established for Earth 1, there would have already been humans on Earth when the cylons from Kobol arrived, you think that would have been mentioned at some point, and all the bodies they tested on Earth 1 were cylon.

Would time travel have been a bigger cop out than "god did it"?  Lost is losing a lot of it's appeal for me since they started the time travel part, we'll see how that goes.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: Doctor Who? on March 24, 2009, 06:58:29 PM
This why I like old BSG better.

You can just watch it and enjoy it with out a PHD.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: SmilinJackRoss on March 24, 2009, 07:00:31 PM
This why I like old BSG better.

You can just watch it and enjoy it with out a PHD.

You sure are posting a lot here for not having seen the episodes.  No offense.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: RoninFox on March 24, 2009, 07:02:49 PM
This why I like old BSG better.

You can just watch it and enjoy it with out a PHD.

You can do the same with this series just by not overanalyzing it like this thread keeps doing.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: Doctor Who? on March 24, 2009, 07:04:24 PM
Sorry I just find this thread funny.

I didn't mean to upset anyone i was just trying to poke some fun at this thread.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: Edward J Grug III on March 24, 2009, 07:05:50 PM
This why I like old BSG better.

You can just watch it and enjoy it with out a PHD.

You can do the same with this series just by not overanalyzing it like this thread keeps doing.

There is nothing wrong with intellectually discussing a show.

I certainly hold no grudge or ill-feelings to MartyS just because we don't agree. And I enjoyed my conversation with him more than I did the finale of BSG.

(PS, Dr Who - I haven't got a phd)
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: Doctor Who? on March 24, 2009, 07:09:02 PM
This why I like old BSG better.

You can just watch it and enjoy it with out a PHD.

You can do the same with this series just by not overanalyzing it like this thread keeps doing.

There is nothing wrong with intellectually discussing a show.

I certainly hold no grudge or ill-feelings to MartyS just because we don't agree. And I enjoyed my conversation with him more than I did the finale of BSG.

(PS, Dr Who - I haven't got a phd)

You could have fooled me.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: Edward J Grug III on March 24, 2009, 07:11:04 PM
I'm just a science fan.* :P











*nerd
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: Doctor Who? on March 24, 2009, 08:17:21 PM
I wonder if the whole series was just RDM trying to see how many long arguments he could start on the internet.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: Dr. Whopoopeepee on March 24, 2009, 08:18:18 PM
Worst ending of anything ever.


Agreed. 

What a giant waste of time.  After all those episodes, all that filler, we get  "Well, my work is done here.  Bye!"?

I don't get it.  I think they're saying that we have to look for our inner Cylon, only then will we find Hendrix (man).   

I pray that those Centurions they released return with the fleet and wipe all them hippies out.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on March 24, 2009, 08:29:18 PM
[There is nothing wrong with intellectually discussing a show.

I certainly hold no grudge or ill-feelings to MartyS just because we don't agree. And I enjoyed my conversation with him more than I did the finale of BSG.

(PS, Dr Who - I haven't got a phd)

 Yea, I never took the conversation as anything more than a thought exercise.

 You could over analyse the original BSG and find lots of science mistakes, that shows timeline puts the 13th tribe mixing with humans only a few thousand years ago, but they were just starting to figure out how to sequence DNA back when that show was made so they didn't know better.

 It's just my nature to over analyse, but I save it for after the show, there were very few episodes of new BSG that let you analyse much at all while watching them, most of the time my only thoughts during the show were "wow, what the frak are they doing now" or "wow, that was awesome".   4 seasons and only a few shows that I didn't like, that is rare.

 I really want the extended cuts of the last 3 episodes, from bits and pieces I've read and seen there's some interesting stuff that was cut for time.  When I edited out the commercials from the finale you could tell it was cut as much as possible, most of the time there were no black frames between the show and commercials.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: RoninFox on March 25, 2009, 05:14:54 AM
As it often does, the latest Player vs Player comic cracked me up. 

(http://www.pvponline.com/comics/pvp20090324.gif)
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: MSTJedi on March 25, 2009, 08:16:41 AM
That comic rings all too true.

Love the reference to the hybrids at the end there.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: ShadowDog on March 28, 2009, 08:17:22 AM
That comic is more clever than anything we saw in the finale.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: Shinigami on April 05, 2009, 08:31:11 PM
Obama Depressed, Distant Since 'Battlestar Galactica' Series Finale (http://www.theonion.com/content/news/obama_depressed_distant_since?utm_source=a-section)
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on April 05, 2009, 11:10:32 PM
Obama Depressed, Distant Since 'Battlestar Galactica' Series Finale (http://www.theonion.com/content/news/obama_depressed_distant_since?utm_source=a-section)

That is fraking hilarious, more good stuff from The Onion...

You know, it really cracked me up because last Friday I didn't even bother to turn on my TV...
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: Bob on April 06, 2009, 05:20:50 AM
That was good, I love The Onion.

But I know how he feels....... It as sad that they was not a BSG on my DVR this past weekend.   I guess I can watch the reruns on the Universal channel.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: MSTJedi on April 06, 2009, 05:27:44 AM
I can just imagine Obama ending a speech chanting "So say we all!"
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: Moleman on April 06, 2009, 08:07:24 AM
It as sad that they was not a BSG on my DVR this past weekend.   I guess I can watch the reruns on the Universal channel.

http://www.hulu.com/battlestar-galactica (http://www.hulu.com/battlestar-galactica)

http://www.scifi.com/rewind/ (http://www.scifi.com/rewind/)
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: Chaos on April 12, 2009, 05:16:35 AM
I've heard a lot of people over the past couple of weeks saying that the show felt anticlimactic to them. I think a lot of that stems from having to watch it dragged out over the last year. My wife and I were not watching Battlestar at all since the end of season 2, and starting about 3 weeks ago, we watched them all from the start of season 3 up through the finale (ending with a marathon 5 episode session last night). I think having them all together at once REALLY heightens the experience. My wife was heartbroken about Laura (but she's a softie).

While the ending certainly wasn't the best it could have been, I certainly thought it was satisfactory. It was "just good," at the end of a show that was "frakking awesome" on the whole. Way more than you can say about most of TV these days.

Now that we're caught up with the show, we're looking forward to Caprica coming out ASAP so we can see where they go next (in the past).

I have to say, after this experience compared to my experience as the Sopranos was winding down, and my general mallaise with Lost as well, I really think watching a show all in one go is a FAR more rewarding experience than watching it week by week when it airs. You lose SO much of the tension and intrigue the writers are going for when you have to wait a week between episodes, with a 4-12 week gap thrown in for good measure. I think I might just give up on TV entirely and go straight to watching shows once they end. The last 3 weeks have been awesome, always anticipating what will happen next, talking about it throughout the day ("only two more hours until Battlestar..." - "I know, I can't stand the wait!"). Surely, this is how drama should really be experienced.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on April 13, 2009, 04:28:57 PM
The pilot for Caprica is up on the Interwebs.  It's pretty cool.

Spoiler:
 
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: iv3rdawG on April 19, 2009, 03:47:36 PM
Want to pre-order the entire series on Blu-Ray? Well, it's only $245 on Amazon:

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B001993Y2C?tag=thedigitalbit-20&link_code=as3&creativeASIN=B001993Y2C&creative=373489&camp=211189

:gouge:
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: MSTJedi on April 19, 2009, 04:25:18 PM
Want to pre-order the entire series on Blu-Ray? Well, it's only $245 on Amazon:

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B001993Y2C?tag=thedigitalbit-20&link_code=as3&creativeASIN=B001993Y2C&creative=373489&camp=211189

:gouge:

Exactly why I never end up getting TV shows on DVD. It's too damn expensive. Except for Firefly. One season is easy enough to handle. And MST3K, of course. Don't even have all of those yet, though.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on April 19, 2009, 04:43:37 PM
Want to pre-order the entire series on Blu-Ray? Well, it's only $245 on Amazon:

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B001993Y2C?tag=thedigitalbit-20&link_code=as3&creativeASIN=B001993Y2C&creative=373489&camp=211189

:gouge:

Exactly why I never end up getting TV shows on DVD. It's too damn expensive. Except for Firefly. One season is easy enough to handle. And MST3K, of course. Don't even have all of those yet, though.

I'm sure it will come down by the time it's released at the end of July or early August.  But I was expecting around $200, $50 per season plus the miniseries and Razor.  That's a lot of hours.

The Digital Bits had a picture of the box last week, supposed to come with a little Cylon figure.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on July 31, 2009, 10:30:03 AM
Watched the extended versions of the season 4.5 episodes last night.

Basically the last 4 hours of the series have major additions, and they are mostly fantastic.

Only one that doesn't really add much is the bit with Baltar and the neighbor kid that he treats like a servant.  Does give us a longer scene with Caprica and Baltar in his house when she tells him about his dad's new place, to cut the kid out for the broadcast version they had to cut a bunch of dialogue between Caprica and Balter.

Got to see the Chief's flashbacks, adds an extra punch to his actions at the end. 

The scenes in the strip club with Adama and Tigh have better continuity now with some little extra bits with Ellen put back.

Oh, and some extra CGI stuff during the big battle at the colony, man does that look unbelievable on Blu-Ray.

There's a little video with Ron before one of the extended cuts where he says that the HD master that they used for the Blu-Ray is higher quality than what you got to see even on the best HD channels, it really shows in some places.  Even the scenes in previous episodes where they digitally added grain look much cleaner on BD than the DVDs, for example in Exodus on the DVD the grain was not evenly distributed and blotchy, on the BD it's distinct pixels with the action perfectly clear "behind" the grain.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: iv3rdawG on August 07, 2009, 08:27:27 PM
(http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/3166/battlestargalacticathep.jpg)
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on August 12, 2009, 10:58:48 AM
Got all 20 thinpak covers done for the Blu-Ray set, all except Razor look like the example linked below, for Razor I scanned the DVD thinpak and cut in a text box for the Blu-Ray info.   All the disk info is from The Digital Bits website, the inserts that Bill Hunt posted for people to use.

Anyone know of glossy and thin inkjet paper (as thin as standard DVD thinpak covers)?  I was going to do more fancy graphics for the cover but photo paper is too thick and plain paper just doesn't cut it for getting good details.

http://www.science.widener.edu/~schultz/BSGcovers/BSG_S1D1s.jpg

If people are interested I'll make full size jpegs of all 20 and put them up.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: iv3rdawG on August 12, 2009, 05:26:59 PM
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Will Bryan Singer Helm a Battlestar Galactica Movie?
Source: HitFix.com
August 12, 2009

Drew McWeeney at HitFix.com, who is fairly well connected in the industry, is reporting that Bryan Singer's earlier plans to produce and possibly direct a new Battlestar Galactica feature film might indeed come to fruition.

According to HitFix.com, Singer was developing a follow-up television series based on the popular '70s sci-fi show with producer Tom DeSanto (Transformers) that was close to shooting in 2001, when it fell apart. Since then, Ron Moore successfully relaunched the series to create a show with a vocal cult audience that ran from 2004 to 2009 with plans for a spin-off show called "Caprica." The show's popularity apparently prompted Universal to reexamine the possibilities of a movie and they signed Glen Larson to write a script for a movie that had no ties to Moore's show.

If the rumors are true and Universal does sign Singer to develop a second "Battlestar Galactica" movie, in theory, he could revive some of his original ideas that were scrapped, but one wonders how much of a connection (if any) a Singer-produced/directed feature film might have to the most recent television show and whether this is in place of the Larson-penned version announced earlier this year.

You can read Drew's full report over on HitFix.com and decide for yourself whether this is a possibility.

http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=57989
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: Doctor Who? on August 12, 2009, 06:24:17 PM
I wouldn't mind if there was no connection to the new show.  I am not one of those people who thinks the new show is the greatest thing ever,in fact I got so board with the new show that I haven't watched any of season 4 yet and don't plan on buying it.  It just turned into too much of a soap opera and I don't think the producers had any idea where the story was going or what the point of it was.  That said I still like the first season.  They just seemed to lose their way in season 3.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: RoninFox on August 12, 2009, 08:27:46 PM
You might want to give season 4 a try, everything came together really well in the end IMO.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: MSTJedi on August 12, 2009, 08:29:36 PM
You might want to give season 4 a try, everything came together really well in the end IMO.

Yeah, season three started to rev up that motorboat in preparation to jump, but four really brought it all back.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: Doctor Who? on August 12, 2009, 08:52:52 PM
Ok When I get some money I'll buy season 4.  I just got so tired of flashbacks,Baltar,and the whole thing they seemed to be pulling where I was supposed to care who was sleeping with who.  If I gave a care about that sort of thing I would be watching the young and the restless.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on August 12, 2009, 10:02:06 PM
Although I have some major complaints about some parts of how it all ended, and some aspects of season 4 annoyed me, overall I think season 4 is better than 3.

Even with the bits that I don't like about the ending I have watched the last 4 hours several times now, has the same emotional impact every time, some people can't suspend their belief for some bits but what's going on with the characters and the action was enough for me to go along for the ride.

The new series has always been a drama first and then science fiction, the first 2 seasons they had a good balance, went a bit far over to the drama side in season 3 (with the exception of Exodus), more of a balance in season 4.  And after the ending they came up with there was always a "fantasy" aspect to it all along, at least looking at it from an atheist perspective.

I was sick of Baltar in 3 and most of 4, but looking back the show always had a recurring theme of "redemption" that came up often, and although I'm not sure his character deserves it he gets more likable at the end.   And Kara gets seriously annoying the first half of season 4 but it's mostly used as a plot device to bridge to the cylons, even Katee said she hated her character most of the season.

Well, didn't really mean to write that much, oh well...
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: Sideswipe on November 17, 2009, 05:45:58 PM
So I just watched the series finale yesterday.  It was pretty good up until the end.  I cant really see everyone in a group of almost 38,000 people deciding to just give up all their technology and living primitive.  Hopefully the groups were distributed with people who can farm and know how to hunt with primitive weapons like bows and spears.  Probably very few of the colonists had that kind of survival training.  Did they bring seeds for planting down from the fleet?   The suicide mission to rescue Hera didnt seem to have a payoff since Earth has people that are geneticly compatible with the colonists.  What was up with Starbuck?  I haven taken to calling her "Starbuck the White" in the 4th season. The Galactica herself didnt really get a proper send off for me, considering the show was named after her.  I guess Ronald Moore isnt very creative when dispatching ships that need to go out in style.  He was one of the writers for Star Trek Generations, and the Enterprise got a horrible goodbye in that movie.  If I was writing I would have had it knocked off course by a collision that took Sam offline somehow and had it drift through space for a few thousand years before entering orbit of a planet that had primitive space flight.  They would board Galactica and reverse engineer its FTL and sublight systems and build a ship based on its design that looks remarkably like the original Glen Larson Galactica.  I also would have had the colonists arive only about 10,000 years ago and start the city of Atlantis, and inspire the ancient Greeks religion.  Thats just me though.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: goflyblind on November 17, 2009, 05:51:21 PM
would you have also given them the gift of apostrophes? ::)

edit: the plan was really boring and pointless and didn't clean up any loose ends. i wouldn't recommend watching it.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on November 17, 2009, 08:32:05 PM
edit: the plan was really boring and pointless and didn't clean up any loose ends. i wouldn't recommend watching it.

Sort of agree there.  It was cool to see what was happening on the cylon side during the first 2 seasons, but it didn't give us much we didn't already know. 

I think it could have been edited better, should have stuck with each thread a bit longer instead of jumping around as often as they did.  I would call it more frustrating than boring, just when you started to get into what was going on in one place they switched to another part of the story.

I cant really see everyone in a group of almost 38,000 people deciding to just give up all their technology and living primitive. 

Your view on that might be different if you had been living for several years crammed aboard a bunch of broken down space ships, and remembering the hell on New Caprica when you tried to rebuild your technological society.  ;D
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: Moleman on November 17, 2009, 10:15:14 PM
You might want to give season 4 a try, everything came together really well in the end IMO.

*cough......what?

Nah, that's fine.  It seems like people either really loved the end or, like me, thought it was one of the worst things ever.  I honestly can't think of a stupider series finale.  People bitched about the Sopranos ending just cutting to black but I would have preferred Adama giving speech about them about to arrive at Earth and then all the sudden...-black-....*credits roll.  That would have been much less of a disappointment.  Instead we're left with this:

http://www.youtube.com/v/iNIIsQqGqqY&hl=en_US&fs=1


All kidding aside.  If this new movie ACTUALLY based on the original series does happen then they can count on my ticket buy.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: Sideswipe on November 18, 2009, 08:00:42 AM

I cant really see everyone in a group of almost 38,000 people deciding to just give up all their technology and living primitive. 

Your view on that might be different if you had been living for several years crammed aboard a bunch of broken down space ships, and remembering the hell on New Caprica when you tried to rebuild your technological society.  ;D

No, not really.  I spent almost a year in Iraq at Abu Ghraib prison living in a cramped broken down building built in the 30s that used to be a medical ward, and it didnt turn me off in any way towards real flushing toilets.  I dont see the colonists giving up toilets to crap in holes they have dug, or give up flowing showers.  It wasnt the technology in general that made New Caprica hell, it was the Cylons, and the planet itself wasnt that nice of a place to live.  If the Cylons hadnt showed up they probably would have been fine with out any AI technology.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on November 18, 2009, 10:59:12 AM

I cant really see everyone in a group of almost 38,000 people deciding to just give up all their technology and living primitive. 

Your view on that might be different if you had been living for several years crammed aboard a bunch of broken down space ships, and remembering the hell on New Caprica when you tried to rebuild your technological society.  ;D

No, not really.  I spent almost a year in Iraq at Abu Ghraib prison living in a cramped broken down building built in the 30s that used to be a medical ward, and it didnt turn me off in any way towards real flushing toilets.  I dont see the colonists giving up toilets to crap in holes they have dug, or give up flowing showers.  It wasnt the technology in general that made New Caprica hell, it was the Cylons, and the planet itself wasnt that nice of a place to live.  If the Cylons hadnt showed up they probably would have been fine with out any AI technology.

Remember what was going on when the Cylons showed up?  They were about to have a labor strike, and Kara was trying to get medicine to keep Anders from dieing.  So things seemed to be heading downward even before the Cylons arrived.

I'll agree there was considerable glossing over of any protests that might have occurred with starting from scratch.  Maybe if they had another season to work with we would have gotten to see people arguing against going native (remember the writers strike almost killed the last half season so things were rushed).  Although I'm not sure it would have been any better even if they had been given the extra season to work out all the plot points, they dug themselves too many holes with the "lets do this because it's cool" attitude of the writing.  I was amazed they did as well as they did connecting things back to those points and making them fit.

What they really should have done from the start was cut the cord to our human history.  Do a true re-imagining and just say it's in a galaxy far far away...

All we have learned since Galactica was written in the 70's makes it impossible to fit that story into our genetic and archaeological history.   What they came up with was the only way it could fit, they had to give up their technology and blend in genetically in far pre-history.    Anything else would require what they didn't want to do on this version of Galactica, use something like a time warp or a worm hole or some other science fiction gimmick (although I would rather have had one of those than angels...  since I think they broke their own rules there anyway).
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: iv3rdawG on November 26, 2009, 09:05:05 PM
Re-watched the series again for the first time since the finale and it really solidified it as one of my favorite shows ever. That finale on second viewing just blew me away. Clocking in at 2 hours and 32 minutes, it flew by and I really did not want it to end. I love this show. Also, Season 4 really grew on me with a second viewing. It's really sad that it's gone but Moore and the producers did the right thing with knowing when to end it.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: iv3rdawG on January 04, 2012, 01:03:35 PM
Part of an upcoming Portlandia episode is centered around BSG. It features James Callis, Ronald D. Moore and Edward James Olmos. You can watch it all here:

http://badassdigest.com/2012/01/03/watch-portlandias-battlestar-galactica-episode/
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on January 04, 2012, 03:53:47 PM
Part of an upcoming Portlandia episode is centered around BSG. It features James Callis, Ronald D. Moore and Edward James Olmos. You can watch it all here:

http://badassdigest.com/2012/01/03/watch-portlandias-battlestar-galactica-episode/

Cool, loved Olmos wanting to bail, then asleep in the back at the end.

[comic book guy voice]
Of course everyone knows the couple should have started their viewing with the mini-series part 1 and it would have been 90 minutes later, not 45......
[/comic book guy voice]
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: Raefire on January 04, 2012, 08:26:21 PM
There been any more news on Blood and Chrome? Last I read, it was going back to being an online-only thing instead of airing on TV like they announced a while back...
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on January 04, 2012, 09:33:46 PM
There been any more news on Blood and Chrome? Last I read, it was going back to being an online-only thing instead of airing on TV like they announced a while back...

Rumor is that the effects are done, but SyFy is just sitting on it....   
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: Sideswipe on January 05, 2012, 06:47:04 AM
Thats pretty dumb.  BSG was a hugely popular show for them.  I guess they have to keep room for all the wrestling.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: Minnesota on May 09, 2012, 12:14:26 AM
Great show. Damn way late to the party on this one.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: RoninFox on May 09, 2012, 12:32:13 AM
Great show. Damn way late to the party on this one.

Hey, as long as you saw it.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on November 08, 2012, 09:23:55 PM
Seems Battlestar Galactica: Blood & Chrome will be out on disc next February. 
And it will supposedly air on Sy-Fy early next year.

But, before all that it's supposed to be airing as 10 part series on Machimima prime YouTube channel starting tomorrow.

The trailer is up now, looks interesting:

http://www.youtube.com/v/nMcLF9V0_6o
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: Sideswipe on November 08, 2012, 11:01:01 PM
Nice.  I'm looking forward to seeing Galactica in her prime.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: Bob on November 09, 2012, 03:08:42 AM
I generally have a hard time watching pre-event shows when I know how it all ends.   Of course, this one is enough in the past and I am sure the writers are good, I can have hope .   

Lets see what SyFy can do promoting it.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on November 09, 2012, 09:23:46 AM
Lets see what SyFy can do promoting it.

It seems to be an orphan project, so I wouldn't expect a lot of promotion for it.  The channel formally known for science fiction isn't into that kind of stuff any more.  They took forever funding the post production, then let it sit for a year, then let another company chop it up into 10 parts to be used to lure people to a YouTube channel.  Yeah, doesn't seem like they really care about it.

But the good news is the Blu-Ray looks like it will have lots of extras. 
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on February 21, 2013, 12:16:03 AM
So, what did everyone think of Blood And Chrome?

Interesting story, special effects are great although they don't always blend perfectly with the actors. 

There's a bit too much shaky cam in places, and also in places there are annoying quick cuts and pans.  For a few segments here and there it feels like a Bayformers movie.

Acting is so so, probably hurt by having to work with all green screen.  The way the characters relate to each other seems a bit inconsistent.  Unfortunately I don't see enough resemblance in voice or expression between old Adama and this young guy, so that hurt it a bit.

The Blu-Ray looks great, but they still have the cuts where it fades to black between the segments, quite jarring since several are in the middle of special effects scenes where it just goes black for a second.  You would think for the Blu-Ray they would have made it seamless.

Overall it's OK, nice to look at for the special effects, nothing that great character wise.

Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: Bob on February 21, 2013, 02:27:13 AM
Did not get the DVD that just came out........will have to wait for netflix
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica **SPOILERS**
Post by: RVR II on November 30, 2014, 02:15:29 PM
For those that loved the Original series (1978-79), It Is Finally being released on Blu Ray (May 12, 2015)! :o
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00Q2OQNCM/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B00Q2OQNCM&linkCode=as2&tag=battlestargalactica1978-20&linkId=MYVSVI7YGCY5KQU6
Includes the dull 1980 resurrection as well..