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Title: 24 season 7 starts 1/11 (SPOILERS).
Post by: Thrifty on January 05, 2009, 08:06:26 AM
That's just 6 days.

I await it with bated breath! :D

Anyone else catch the first-act preview off the 24: Redemption DVD?  I have a very strong feeling that Tony is not really a villain, but a guy doing bad things for the greater good.  And I'm sure his plot is connected to the stuff going down in Sangala.  Maybe he's trying to stop the Jon Voight character.
Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11!
Post by: lassieface on January 05, 2009, 09:38:07 AM
24 has become a confusing mess of a show.
Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11!
Post by: James of LinHood on January 05, 2009, 09:48:33 AM
24 has become a confusing mess of a show.

Ummmm....how so, exactly?

The only thing that's remotely confusing is how Tony's even alive (Seriously, WTF?).  Other than that it's a very straightforward show.
Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11!
Post by: Thrifty on January 05, 2009, 09:52:21 AM
24 has become a confusing mess of a show.

It kinda always was, as far back as I remember (and that's all the way to season 1).  But, a show about conspiracy and intrigue and terrorist plots is bound to be a little confusing.  I always find the even numbered seasons are a little more over the top and the odd ones a little more grounded.
Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11!
Post by: James of LinHood on January 05, 2009, 09:54:11 AM
24 has become a confusing mess of a show.

It kinda always was, as far back as I remember (and that's all the way to season 1).  But, a show about conspiracy and intrigue and terrorist plots is bound to be a little confusing.  I always find the even numbered seasons are a little more over the top and the odd ones a little more grounded.

I suppose that I'm just so used to Lost that 24 seems very straightforward.   :P
Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11!
Post by: Thrifty on January 05, 2009, 10:21:28 AM
24 has become a confusing mess of a show.

It kinda always was, as far back as I remember (and that's all the way to season 1).  But, a show about conspiracy and intrigue and terrorist plots is bound to be a little confusing.  I always find the even numbered seasons are a little more over the top and the odd ones a little more grounded.

I suppose that I'm just so used to Lost that 24 seems very straightforward.   :P

I've been thinking of getting into lost.  Just stack up the past 4 seasons in the old Netflix queue and go with it.  But I saw the first two episodes when the Rifftrax was released, and I just found the characters so damn detestable.  I heard that Lost is the kind of show that gets carried away in its own riddles; basically just creating a huge number of teasers early on that don't get resolved for a VERY long time if they get resolved at all.  24 kinda does the same thing, except its riddles are almost always wrapped up by the end of the season.
Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11!
Post by: Chaos on January 05, 2009, 10:33:23 AM
This thread qualifies for the "most numbers in the title" award. :D
Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11!
Post by: Thrifty on January 05, 2009, 11:35:57 AM
This thread qualifies for the "most numbers in the title" award. :D

I thought the subject line could use a few more.
Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11 at 8, 7 Central!!
Post by: iv3rdawG on January 05, 2009, 12:33:11 PM
The little movie didn't wow me but I've always been watching it and I'll continue. Go Jack go!
Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11 at 8, 7 Central!!
Post by: Nunyerbiz on January 05, 2009, 12:52:51 PM

All the 24 seasons kind of started to just blend together, and I think the show has only had one decent season in recent memory... but.still... It's always a fun enough ride and I'm sure I'll watch this year as well. I also didn't think the little intro movie was very good, but after Asia, Europe and South America, I guess Africa was bound to get its turn on the "24 villian carosel".

I thought that Tony went out like a bitch when he was killed off... but the doozy that they are going to have to drop to explain him being alive will probably be worse.
Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11 at 8, 7 Central!!
Post by: Thrifty on January 05, 2009, 01:10:32 PM

All the 24 seasons kind of started to just blend together, and I think the show has only had one decent season in recent memory... but.still... It's always a fun enough ride and I'm sure I'll watch this year as well. I also didn't think the little intro movie was very good, but after Asia, Europe and South America, I guess Africa was bound to get its turn on the "24 villian carosel".

I thought that Tony went out like a bitch when he was killed off... but the doozy that they are going to have to drop to explain him being alive will probably be worse.

They showed the first act of season 7 as an extra feature on the Redemption DVD.  They really sort of glossed over it. 
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
  Hopefully it will be explained in better detail.

But still, Jack faked his death.  He appeared to have no pulse after that dirty Secret Service agent tried to kill him, but he was fine.
Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11 at 8, 7 Central!!
Post by: Nunyerbiz on January 05, 2009, 01:17:55 PM
Speaking of the 24 Redemption movie... can't they just abandon the whole "events happen in real time" schtick already?

In that movie, Jack and the cosby kids are in the middle of the bush hiking to the city, after commercial break they are downtown within site of the embassy gates. Unless the capital of Swazilimadeupcountry is like two hundred yards across, how the hell did that happen?
Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11 at 8, 7 Central!!
Post by: Thrifty on January 05, 2009, 02:31:18 PM
Speaking of the 24 Redemption movie... can't they just abandon the whole "events happen in real time" schtick already?

In that movie, Jack and the cosby kids are in the middle of the bush hiking to the city, after commercial break they are downtown within site of the embassy gates. Unless the capital of Swazilimadeupcountry is like two hundred yards across, how the hell did that happen?

It was a 6 minute gap.  I assume that those bushes were close to the city.  They'd already been walking / driving for a while.  Seems reasonable that they were already near the city before the commercial break
Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11 at 8, 7 Central!!
Post by: lassieface on January 05, 2009, 07:04:15 PM

All the 24 seasons kind of started to just blend together, and I think the show has only had one decent season in recent memory... but.still... It's always a fun enough ride and I'm sure I'll watch this year as well. I also didn't think the little intro movie was very good, but after Asia, Europe and South America, I guess Africa was bound to get its turn on the "24 villian carosel".

I thought that Tony went out like a bitch when he was killed off... but the doozy that they are going to have to drop to explain him being alive will probably be worse.

This is what I mean. There are all these pointless sub-plots and loose ends. When I saw Tony was still alive I just gave up on the show. But I might watch it just to follow Dave Barry's Blog (http://blogs.herald.com/dave_barrys_blog/). He riffs the show when airs.
Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11 at 8, 7 Central!!
Post by: bratpop on January 05, 2009, 08:18:28 PM
But that's impossible. 24 isn't set in Miami.

Oh, yeah. I went there. Bring it, Barry.
Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11 at 8, 7 Central!!
Post by: lassieface on January 06, 2009, 11:32:08 AM
But that's impossible. 24 isn't set in Miami.

Oh, yeah. I went there. Bring it, Barry.

Here is his post from 24: Redemption
The review is the best.
Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11 at 8, 7 Central!!
Post by: bratpop on January 07, 2009, 03:51:27 PM
Okay, it's either invisible or really short.
Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11 at 8, 7 Central!!
Post by: Rude on January 07, 2009, 04:44:09 PM
...

You obviously don't have the decoder ring.

-Rude
Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11 at 8, 7 Central!!
Post by: mattwnelson on January 07, 2009, 04:59:44 PM
I just can't get over how many whiny drama-obsessed employees CTU/theFBI/the government in general seem to get ahold of. Seriously? If that much back-sassing and poor job performance happened at the grocery store where I work, (which I'm betting has a much less stringent vetting process than the Feds), the employee in question would be FIRED.

M@
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Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11 at 8, 7 Central!!
Post by: Thrifty on January 08, 2009, 12:46:46 PM
I just can't get over how many whiny drama-obsessed employees CTU/theFBI/the government in general seem to get ahold of. Seriously? If that much back-sassing and poor job performance happened at the grocery store where I work, (which I'm betting has a much less stringent vetting process than the Feds), the employee in question would be FIRED.

I agree.  I love this show to death, and await every new episode with bated breath, but when they get into subplots involving office politics, I start to groan.  There is a MAJOR TERRORIST THREAT or IMPENDING WORLD WAR.  Your petty gripes can wait until tommorrow.  I mean.....

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Sometimes... they gotta grow up.
Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11 at 8, 7 Central!!
Post by: mattwnelson on January 08, 2009, 08:01:38 PM
While your examples are good, I'm thinking more of the characters like Milo, who would throw hissy fits because he wasn't the PIC instead of just shutting up and doing what he was told, or early Chloe, who had to have behavioral issues instead of just shutting up and doing what she was told, or Kim, who wouldn't shut up and do what she was told. Basically I want about half the characters to close their gaping pie-holes and just follow orders, apparently.  :D

M@
Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11 at 8, 7 Central!!
Post by: BBQ Platypus on January 11, 2009, 07:15:16 PM
Well, it just aired.  It's too early for me to make much of a judgment now, but what I saw was kind of middling.  Hopefully, it'll pick up steam and get more exciting.  Hopefully, we'll get to know the new characters more.  As it was, I found myself missing the old ones.

Did anyone else think that Tony looked a lot like a less-fat version of Marlon Brando in Apocalypse Now?  The lighting in his scenes was certainly dark enough.
Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11 at 8, 7 Central!!
Post by: MrTorso on January 11, 2009, 10:12:05 PM
Just finished watching it. Not the greatest start but I liked it. I just hope they don't wuss out and make Tony a good guy again. Just make him bad and evil!

Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11 at 8, 7 Central!! (spoilers)
Post by: Thrifty on January 12, 2009, 07:24:04 AM
Just finished watching it. Not the greatest start but I liked it. I just hope they don't wuss out and make Tony a good guy again. Just make him bad and evil!

There's got to be a twist.  Notice how he didn't actually crash the planes?  I think he's doing something... the wrong things for the right reason.  And I doubt he knows he's working for Juma.
Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11 at 8, 7 Central!!
Post by: MrTorso on January 12, 2009, 10:24:48 PM
Well then... That didn't take long for Tony's true intentions. Or at least his intentions now.

Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11 at 8, 7 Central!!
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on January 13, 2009, 04:06:57 AM
Pretty boring.  I liked Redemption better.
Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11 at 8, 7 Central!!
Post by: Nunyerbiz on January 13, 2009, 06:08:22 AM
Ok, the first four hours of this season aren't exactly stellar compared to the openers of the better seasons... The whole premise of Bill, Chloe and Tony running their own little counterconspiracy A-Team is sorta flimsy.. but it's early and I'm going to give it the benefit of the doubt.

I am confused about one aspect tho... what is the deal with President's son and the suicide? They explain (via his fiance) that he discovered some financial irregularities that connected a cabinet member to the african warlord guy. He was therefore murdered by the conspiracy folks to keep his discovery secret and it was setup to look like a suicide. Ok, I guess that isn't a problem by itself.

However, during the 24:Redemption 'movie', didn't they establish the strung-out, pill popping college friend of the president's son as the guy who discovers the financial arm of the conspiracy? He tells the president's son about it and says he has the evidence on a USB drive... but then is intercepted and tortured and killed before he gets anything concrete to the president's son. Did they just forget about this guy? The president's son had no evidence and was never going to get any evidence, right? It was all strung out college friend. If the president's son had nothing except the accusations from a drug addict, then why risk a huge murder cover-up? Especially for a very public figure like a member of the first family.

It's possible that I missed something along the line that ties this thing together... With a three year old and an eight month old at home, I don't always catch every second of every show.

Oh yea, if you're reading this thread titled "24 Season 7" and then end up surprised that people are talking about specifics of the seventh season of 24, please imagine this response hidden behind spoiler tags. Thanks.
Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11 at 8, 7 Central!!
Post by: Thrifty on January 13, 2009, 08:05:17 AM
Ok, the first four hours of this season aren't exactly stellar compared to the openers of the better seasons... The whole premise of Bill, Chloe and Tony running their own little counterconspiracy A-Team is sorta flimsy.. but it's early and I'm going to give it the benefit of the doubt.

I am confused about one aspect tho... what is the deal with President's son and the suicide? They explain (via his fiance) that he discovered some financial irregularities that connected a cabinet member to the african warlord guy. He was therefore murdered by the conspiracy folks to keep his discovery secret and it was setup to look like a suicide. Ok, I guess that isn't a problem by itself.

However, during the 24:Redemption 'movie', didn't they establish the strung-out, pill popping college friend of the president's son as the guy who discovers the financial arm of the conspiracy? He tells the president's son about it and says he has the evidence on a USB drive... but then is intercepted and tortured and killed before he gets anything concrete to the president's son. Did they just forget about this guy? The president's son had no evidence and was never going to get any evidence, right? It was all strung out college friend. If the president's son had nothing except the accusations from a drug addict, then why risk a huge murder cover-up? Especially for a very public figure like a member of the first family.

It's possible that I missed something along the line that ties this thing together... With a three year old and an eight month old at home, I don't always catch every second of every show.

Oh yea, if you're reading this thread titled "24 Season 7" and then end up surprised that people are talking about specifics of the seventh season of 24, please imagine this response hidden behind spoiler tags. Thanks.

I think, in the conversation between the First Gentleman and Samantha, they were explaining that the presiden't son found the evidence independent of his drug-addict friend.  My guess is that he would have been fine if he'd dropped it after his friend disappeared, but instead he just kept digging.
Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11 at 8, 7 Central!!
Post by: MrTorso on January 13, 2009, 10:37:09 AM
Oh yea, if you're reading this thread titled "24 Season 7" and then end up surprised that people are talking about specifics of the seventh season of 24, please imagine this response hidden behind spoiler tags. Thanks.

Do we all agree that this thread should be about the show as we watch each episode so we don't need spoiler tags?
Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11 at 8, 7 Central!!
Post by: Thrifty on January 13, 2009, 11:48:46 AM
Oh yea, if you're reading this thread titled "24 Season 7" and then end up surprised that people are talking about specifics of the seventh season of 24, please imagine this response hidden behind spoiler tags. Thanks.

Do we all agree that this thread should be about the show as we watch each episode so we don't need spoiler tags?

Indeed. 

In fact, I coulda sworn I edited the post title to say "SPOILERS" already.  Better try again.
Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11 (SPOILERS).
Post by: bratpop on January 13, 2009, 11:28:38 PM
How the eff did you even remember that subplot from redemption?
Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11 (SPOILERS).
Post by: Nunyerbiz on January 14, 2009, 08:58:55 AM
I assume that you are talking to me in regards to the subplot from Redemption. I remember it because we kept Redemption rotting on the DVR until a few days before the season started and then watched it.

That possible plot hole will probably not be a big deal in the big picture... but it struck me as odd. Getting rid of random drug friend is one thing, getting rid of president's son is another... but when both of them mysteriously dissapear / commit suicide and everything points back to the same financial firm, well I don't know if it would just fade away as easily as the writers presume. I think that they will just end up "merging" the two characters for all practical purposes and druggie friend will never be mentioned again.

Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11 (SPOILERS).
Post by: Thrifty on January 16, 2009, 02:43:52 PM
I assume that you are talking to me in regards to the subplot from Redemption. I remember it because we kept Redemption rotting on the DVR until a few days before the season started and then watched it.

That possible plot hole will probably not be a big deal in the big picture... but it struck me as odd. Getting rid of random drug friend is one thing, getting rid of president's son is another... but when both of them mysteriously dissapear / commit suicide and everything points back to the same financial firm, well I don't know if it would just fade away as easily as the writers presume. I think that they will just end up "merging" the two characters for all practical purposes and druggie friend will never be mentioned again.



This is all going to lead back to Jonas Hodges being at the top of this conspiracy, and being a member of the Cabinet.  I just know it.
Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11 (SPOILERS).
Post by: Thrifty on January 20, 2009, 10:20:48 AM
I'm starting to wonder if unilaterally deciding to go underground with enemies of the state, without any government sanction or informing them, is such a hot idea.

Also, poor Renee.
Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11 (SPOILERS).
Post by: BBQ Platypus on January 20, 2009, 08:20:49 PM
I'm starting to wonder if unilaterally deciding to go underground with enemies of the state, without any government sanction or informing them, is such a hot idea.

Also, poor Renee.

Did they do the Edgar-style silent clock at the end?  Because I could swear they did.
Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11 (SPOILERS).
Post by: MrTorso on January 20, 2009, 10:05:36 PM
I'm starting to wonder if unilaterally deciding to go underground with enemies of the state, without any government sanction or informing them, is such a hot idea.

Also, poor Renee.

Did they do the Edgar-style silent clock at the end?  Because I could swear they did.

Yeah the clock was silent.
Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11 (SPOILERS).
Post by: bratpop on January 21, 2009, 04:49:57 PM
That's cos it was supposed to be shockingly SKEEEEEERY.

I would have been like, "Yep, she's totally buried and her face is covered! Don't bother checking!"
Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11 (SPOILERS).
Post by: Thrifty on January 27, 2009, 09:26:09 AM
I'm trying to work out the math of yesterday's show.  One minute they're burying Agent Walker alive, but somehow Jack is able to get a signal to Chloe who can then get there just about 7 minutes later to dig her up and revive her.

My sister watched that episode with me.  At the end, where Dubaku is discussing his next target and ends with "proceed", she desperately said "IS IT A DOUBLE EPISODE?"  Much to her disappointment, I had to inform her that no, and she'd have to wait until next week to see the resolution of this cliffhanger.  And then do the same next week.  And the week after that.  And so on so forth for 4 more months.

Anyone else think that Allison Taylor is a horrid president?  Sure there's something admirable about wanting to stop a genocidal maniac, but she should put the lives of her own citizens in top priority.  She took an oath..  And the conflict is baloney.  She could withdraw the troops, shore up the firewall thus rendering Dubaku impotent, then resume the attack.

David Palmer struggled with the decisions of murdering a decorated federal employee and releasing the names of dozens of secret agents to avoid having a plague unleashed upon the country.  Allison Taylor has to worry about a few thousand deaths if she doesn't abort an invasion of a third world country.
Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11 (SPOILERS).
Post by: MrTorso on January 27, 2009, 10:12:19 AM
Yeah I don't get how Jack  was able to get Bill and Chloe to the scene either..... Probably sorcery.....
Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11 (SPOILERS).
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on January 28, 2009, 04:59:08 AM
Anyone else think that Allison Taylor is a horrid president?  Sure there's something admirable about wanting to stop a genocidal maniac, but she should put the lives of her own citizens in top priority.  She took an oath..  And the conflict is baloney.  She could withdraw the troops, shore up the firewall thus rendering Dubaku impotent, then resume the attack.


I'm sure there is an ulterior motive behind her decisions that we aren't aware of.  It can't be what it seems.  That's usually how they roll on "24".
Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11 (SPOILERS).
Post by: bratpop on January 30, 2009, 11:12:18 PM
Well, it's not just a case of protecting people. It's a case of giving into terrorism. The problem is they never bring up the option of simply covering it up. They would need a good coverup reason for pulling out of Sangala, but covering up the terrorist threat is as simple as not telling anybody. Perhaps the show really is right wing conservative after all.

On the whole, it's not an easy decision, but neither one is right or wrong. We can take care of ourselves in a tragedy. The Sangalans couldn't. No American would really give a crap, but the President is supposed to.

I'm slightly mystified by how quickly they got 1000+ planes out of the air, but they can't seem to get the rest down quickly enough. Also, since nobody really understands the magical McGuffin device, it's hard to gauge what they can do. Obviously an American pilot isn't going to fly into a building just because they're ordered to, so it's hardly a 9/11 situation. There must be some other way they can cause terra'. I don't necessarily even buy that they'd be able to get two planes to crash into each other in the sky. They'd even need some heavy math to be able to get the two planes to cross runways at the same time. That's a nightmare of a "story problem," and I didn't see anybody on Dubaku's end with a pad of paper.

Don't most of the things the device can do require manual operation? Can they shut down a power plant or do they just have codes that allow them to tell somebody to shut it down?
Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11 (SPOILERS).
Post by: BBQ Platypus on February 02, 2009, 07:02:18 PM
Exit Die Hard 4.  Enter kidnapping and extortion.
Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11 (SPOILERS).
Post by: bratpop on February 03, 2009, 01:44:00 AM
So are we going to see how two-faced the President is as she gives in to terrorist demands and abandons a war because her husband is being held hostage?
Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11 (SPOILERS).
Post by: Thrifty on February 03, 2009, 06:47:50 AM
So are we going to see how two-faced the President is as she gives in to terrorist demands and abandons a war because her husband is being held hostage?

Undoubtedly.  That'll just make for some interesting television, because now the cabinet / Joint Chiefs / White House staff know that the situation is reversed; American lives are not in danger, and NOW the President is going to (possibly) give in to the terrorist.
Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11 (SPOILERS).
Post by: Thrifty on February 10, 2009, 07:01:54 AM
Well they got past that whole presidential-husband kidnapping plotline pretty quickly.  I hope he makes it.  I fear we will not know for sure until the end of the season.

That scene with Renee with Vossler's wife and baby was intense.  I like the way this is going.  It feels like Jack and CTU are just sort of peripheral players, but they have such a strong influence on the plot and the other characters.  They're like a whirlpool and these straight laced Washington guys are swirling around them, afraid of falling into the vortex.

I was surprised that President Taylor still didn't withdraw the troops.
Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11 (SPOILERS).
Post by: bratpop on February 10, 2009, 07:13:06 AM
Haha, I thought the scene with Vossler's family was stupid. Man, how incredibly easy was that? All she had to do was pick up the baby. She didn't even have to think about doing anything. So why was she all womany afterwards? I wanna know what she was thinking. Was she going to eat the baby? Twist its head around? What? I mean I assume Jack sent her there because he only needed them to freak out and didn't expect her or need her to do anything. Yet, she was all weepy even though it was basically a scare tactic. That's like Eli Roth going, "Too scary!"

I was distracted by the magically disappearing pacifier. The baby had a pacifier. It was pacified. Then the mother has the audacity to say he's crying because he's scared. Like an infant knows the meaning of a gun. I kept thinking, put the damn pacifier back! That's what it's for! It pacifies! ARGH! And then Vossler inanely asks why the baby is crying. IT'S A BABY! What do babies normally do? Man, you know you work too much when you're confused by a baby crying. Good lord. I know they meant this to be dramatic, but it just seemed silly to me. I imagine these people are just jumpy all the time. "Why is the microwave beeping??? Why did the toaster ding??? The fridge is cold!!!"

Two bizarre things happened on TV tonight. One was Walker leaving Vossler's house with no word on how to keep the wife from calling the cops. The other was Sylar and his new gay sidekick leaving the kid's mother with a dead body, again no mention of preventing her from calling the cops. Or do I just assume Jack Bauer and Sylar are so badass that they don't care if somebody calls the cops because they'll be long gone by then?
Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11 (SPOILERS).
Post by: James of LinHood on February 10, 2009, 07:43:45 AM
"When are you gonna realize they aren't playing by your rules?!"

Pretty good episode.  I really like where this season seems to be headed. 
Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11 (SPOILERS).
Post by: bratpop on February 10, 2009, 07:58:44 AM
This episode was motherfucking FULL of catch phrases.

"Not today!"

"Tomorrow!"

"Why is the baby crying!"

"My government, my way!"

I'm making them up because I can't remember them, but there were a lot.
Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11 (SPOILERS).
Post by: Thrifty on February 10, 2009, 08:25:59 AM
Haha, I thought the scene with Vossler's family was stupid. Man, how incredibly easy was that? All she had to do was pick up the baby. She didn't even have to think about doing anything. So why was she all womany afterwards? I wanna know what she was thinking. Was she going to eat the baby? Twist its head around? What? I mean I assume Jack sent her there because he only needed them to freak out and didn't expect her or need her to do anything. Yet, she was all weepy even though it was basically a scare tactic. That's like Eli Roth going, "Too scary!"

The thing with the baby worked because this maniac with a gun had already broken into her house, made some very serious sounding threats, and had an unknown male accomplice on the phone threatening her husband.  She had every reason to believe Renee was going to hurt or kill the baby.Renee got weepy because, even though she didn't intend to follow through on her threat and harm any innocent people, it was still very taxing for an otherwise straight laced FBI agent and good person to have to even pretend to do something like that.  Even without hurting anyone physically, making those kinds of psychotic threats is not something a moral person feels good about.

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Two bizarre things happened on TV tonight. One was Walker leaving Vossler's house with no word on how to keep the wife from calling the cops. The other was Sylar and his new gay sidekick leaving the kid's mother with a dead body, again no mention of preventing her from calling the cops. Or do I just assume Jack Bauer and Sylar are so badass that they don't care if somebody calls the cops because they'll be long gone by then?

Woah woah woah.  *slaps bratpop*  Don't come apart on me now!  It's too early to get up in arms about loopholes and strange plot contrivances.  Kim hasn't even entered the scene yet.  Also, I mean, after Jack telepathically summoned Chloe and Bill to rescue Renee a few episodes ago, all bets were off.

Also, Larry made mention of handling Vossler's body quietly.

And who the Hell is Sylar?
Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11 (SPOILERS).
Post by: Thrifty on February 12, 2009, 11:11:04 AM
This episode was motherfucking FULL of catch phrases.

"Not today!"

"Tomorrow!"

"Why is the baby crying!"

"My government, my way!"

I'm making them up because I can't remember them, but there were a lot.

None of them question anyone's ability to handle the truth though.

Nor do they demand departure from my plane, or a demand to get my son back.
Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11 (SPOILERS).
Post by: The Lady Rommel on February 12, 2009, 03:41:46 PM
I'm enjoying it this season, and the movie was good.  Last season sucked and I was beginning to lose hope.  But Jack's back!

Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11 (SPOILERS).
Post by: Thrifty on February 17, 2009, 11:39:05 AM
So.....

....that was kind of an average episode.  I like what they're doing with Dubaku.  He genuinely cares for this woman whose name I forget and who will be irrelevant by the end of the month.
Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11 (SPOILERS).
Post by: Thrifty on February 18, 2009, 09:06:07 AM
Oh but also... Sprague Grayden joined the show.  <3 <3 <3

She plays the president's estranged daughter, and previously did a terrific job as Heather Lizinski in Jericho.
Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11 (SPOILERS).
Post by: MrTorso on February 18, 2009, 03:58:30 PM
I am just waiting for the inevitable scene of Chloe and Janice going head to head with their l33t haxor skillz....
Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11 (SPOILERS).
Post by: Thrifty on February 18, 2009, 05:27:32 PM
I am just waiting for the inevitable scene of Chloe and Janice going head to head with their l33t haxor skillz....

They sorta did that when Jack was breaking Tony out of CTU. 
Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11 (SPOILERS).
Post by: Doctor Who? on February 18, 2009, 05:31:29 PM
After season 4 I gave up on 24,is this season worth checking out when it hits DvD?
Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11 (SPOILERS).
Post by: Thrifty on February 18, 2009, 06:13:37 PM
After season 4 I gave up on 24,is this season worth checking out when it hits DvD?

Season 4 was a pretty over the top turkey of a season.  So was season 6.  Season 5 was great, and season 7 is pretty good too.  Of course, I'm a biased superfan and own all seasons on DVD.
Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11 (SPOILERS).
Post by: Doctor Who? on February 18, 2009, 06:21:25 PM
So the answer would be yes?
Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11 (SPOILERS).
Post by: Thrifty on February 18, 2009, 08:08:41 PM
So the answer would be yes?

The answer is "Jericho should have gotten a third season."
Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11 (SPOILERS).
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on February 19, 2009, 04:19:50 AM
So the answer would be yes?

The answer is "Jericho should have gotten a third season."

The answer is "24 jumped the shark after season 1."
Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11 (SPOILERS).
Post by: Thrifty on February 19, 2009, 09:12:50 AM
So the answer would be yes?

The answer is "Jericho should have gotten a third season."

The answer is "24 jumped the shark after season 1."

The answer, of course, is onions.
Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11 (SPOILERS).
Post by: The Lady Rommel on February 19, 2009, 04:41:13 PM
The unveiling of The Mole at the FBI was a bummer.  Too obvious!

I remember season one, I had no clue was good or bad.  I just know Tony was a bad guy from the start.  Wrong.

And I just knew Curtis was bad.  Wrong again.

And Chloe.  Wrong once again.

BTW when did Bill get hot?  Maybe it's the hair, but he's smokin' this season
Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11 (SPOILERS).
Post by: bratpop on February 19, 2009, 07:10:05 PM
So the answer would be yes?

The answer is "Jericho should have gotten a third season."

The answer is "24 jumped the shark halfway through season 1."
fixed it for you.
Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11 (SPOILERS).
Post by: Thrifty on February 20, 2009, 06:36:35 AM
So the answer would be yes?

The answer is "Jericho should have gotten a third season."

The answer is "24 jumped the shark halfway through season 1."
fixed it for you.

*flies into a fanboy rage and rips out bratpop and BTA's throats*
Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11 (SPOILERS).
Post by: Thrifty on February 20, 2009, 06:37:05 AM
So the answer would be yes?
Jokes aside, yes, the answer would be affirmative.
Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11 (SPOILERS).
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on February 20, 2009, 03:28:37 PM
So the answer would be yes?
Jokes aside, no, the answer would be negatory good buddy.

Fixed it for you.
Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11 (SPOILERS).
Post by: Thrifty on February 20, 2009, 05:10:50 PM
So the answer would be yes?
Jokes aside, no, the answer would be negatory good buddy.

Fixed it for you.

*burns your corpse and pisses on the ashes*
Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11 (SPOILERS).
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on February 20, 2009, 10:08:19 PM
So the answer would be yes?
Jokes aside, no, the answer would be negatory good buddy.

Fixed it for you.

*burns your corpse and pisses on the ashes*

Jack would not approve.
Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11 (SPOILERS).
Post by: BBQ Platypus on February 20, 2009, 10:42:46 PM
So the answer would be yes?

The answer is "Jericho should have gotten a third season."

The answer is "24 jumped the shark after season 1."

The answer, of course, is onions.

No, the answer is, and always has been, "Up Up Down Down Left Right Left Right B A Start."
Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11 (SPOILERS).
Post by: Thrifty on February 24, 2009, 08:17:11 AM
That was a terrific show last night.  Before Chloe recovered the data and the corrupt FBI agents (I can't remember their names) were talking about formatting the server to destroy the information, it very much felt like they were going to keep this storyline running for several more episodes.  Like, they'd have to wait until Dubaku recovered and then get the information out of him.  Or that guy at the FBI would have his cover blown, and they'd resort to extreme interrogation techniques to find out who else was involved. 

But then, it felt so much like the standard season finale after Chloe recovered the data.  I kept thinking "something will go awry and ruin the operation", similar to when the recording that implicated President Logan made its way back to CTU in season 5 and Miles destroyed it.

Of course, it wasn't the last episode.  It's only, like, th 8th or 9th or something.  So I was saying "That was too easy.  What happens next?"  And now we see.

Double episode next week!

On the down side, I don't like what they're doing with Jack.  I agree with Renee; he needs to show some humanity.  This "super-soldier terrorist killing machine" thing is getting tiresome.  That's why I am really super looking forward to Kim's return at the end of the season.
Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11 (SPOILERS).
Post by: bratpop on February 24, 2009, 08:50:20 AM
WHAT DO YOU WANT FROM ME!?
Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11 (SPOILERS).
Post by: Thrifty on February 24, 2009, 09:41:47 AM
WHAT DO YOU WANT FROM ME!?

I want you to GET OFF MY PLANE.
Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11 (SPOILERS).
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on February 24, 2009, 11:55:48 AM
WHAT DO YOU WANT FROM ME!?

I want you to GET OFF MY PLANE.

Chloe!  I need you to mount that motherboard on to the mainframe, and cross-channel the deviation chip into my positronic network!
Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11 (SPOILERS).
Post by: Thrifty on February 24, 2009, 12:32:19 PM
WHAT DO YOU WANT FROM ME!?

I want you to GET OFF MY PLANE.

Chloe!  I need you to mount that motherboard on to the mainframe, and cross-channel the deviation chip into my positronic network!

GIMME BACK MY SON!
Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11 (SPOILERS).
Post by: MrTorso on February 24, 2009, 02:48:06 PM
I really despised the "walk and talk" that Sean and Erica had about how they were working for Dubaku. Also the part with Chloe all of the sudden getting the  info "Don't ask me how I did it!" was a little lame too.  Other than that it was not bad. Next week I will get my Tony Todd fix.
Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11 (SPOILERS).
Post by: bratpop on February 24, 2009, 09:49:58 PM
I really hope they don't have another season. Cos I'm stupid and will watch it anyway.
Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11 (SPOILERS).
Post by: Thrifty on March 03, 2009, 07:28:04 AM
Finally, the return of Joseph Hodges.  I wonder what's in this shipment he was talking about.  It must be valuable if he's willing to have the president murdered over it.

Also, sufficient amounts of Sprague Grayden <3 <3 <3
Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11 (SPOILERS).
Post by: bratpop on March 03, 2009, 08:34:57 PM
Whoseph Whodges? Am I supposed to know who that is?
Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11 (SPOILERS).
Post by: Thrifty on March 03, 2009, 08:59:04 PM
Whoseph Whodges? Am I supposed to know who that is?

He was in Redemption, foreshadowed as sort of the big cheese behind everything.  He's financing the Juma regime.  This is his first appearance in season 7.
Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11 (SPOILERS).
Post by: MrTorso on March 03, 2009, 09:08:58 PM
Whoseph Whodges? Am I supposed to know who that is?

Yes.
Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11 (SPOILERS).
Post by: bratpop on March 03, 2009, 10:34:17 PM
Sorry, I can't remember cameos in TV movies of people that don't actually do anything. I remember the Jack Bauer parts of Redemption. The rest was so forgettable that I... forgot it.

Heck, I don't remember most of the third tier characters in 24. I mean, they have a really bad habit of giving characters similar names that don't help. Ryan Chappelle - Ryan Burnett... or whatever his name is. If there's a season 8, I wouldn't be surprised if they have a Ryan Dumont. There's tons of others that I can't remember because as I said, they're forgettable. I seem to recall there being two unrelated black female characters with the last name Green. They do this all time. The "suits" are just not memorable.

Besides, I hate it when the show's camera is allowed access to some secret place, but the show does not let us in on who the people are. There was no wrap-up of Redemption. No reason to recall the generic name of Jon Voight or who he's supposed to be when the current scene is so vague. I'm even unclear as to why the VP hasn't shown his face until this week.

And all white people look alike to me.
Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11 (SPOILERS).
Post by: SaucyRossy on March 03, 2009, 10:37:58 PM
bratpop you really type a lot of stuff that doesn't need to be said.

As for 24 (and not about the name Ryan or how white people look all alike) it has been very good this season so far in my opinion. It feels like the production value has jumped up this season. I think having the city scape of washington dc as a back drop really helps to sell the story.

So far I am happy with the season but there haven't been too many 'Jack' moments.
Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11 (SPOILERS).
Post by: James of LinHood on March 04, 2009, 03:11:02 AM
So far I am happy with the season but there haven't been too many 'Jack' moments.

There has to be at least one scene where Tony and Jack completely clean house.  Otherwise, this season will be disappointing.   :P
Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11 (SPOILERS).
Post by: Nunyerbiz on March 05, 2009, 01:08:52 PM
Things were a little confusing the last episodes with the "hey audience, what do you mean you don't remember this guy?" moments. It was fairly obvious from the get-go that Dikembe Motumbo or whatever the 2nd in command from Sengala was named wasn't going to be the primary bad guy... 24 has done this before, with a third of the season going towards a story arc that does nothing but waste time until the "real" conspiracy can be bothered to make an appearance. I'm not surprised really, but it can be a bit jarring... The joke with the wife during the first five or six shows was "when does Angelina's dad show up to start being the villain?"
Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11 (SPOILERS).
Post by: dangfish on March 05, 2009, 07:43:29 PM
Last monday had a classic ' no way in hell' moment that the show is famous for thanks to their 'real time' premise.  The bad guys are underwater at the end of the first hour. They start drilling at literally about one minute before 7PM.   Then the next episode starts and at 7:01 pm not only is the drilling completed but there is a hole the size of a baseball diamond.

Still, this one doesn't beat the classic episode from a few years ago. The one where Jack's partner loses his hand in a school and five minutes later not only is he already at the hospital but his operation has been completed!
Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11 (SPOILERS).
Post by: BBQ Platypus on March 05, 2009, 09:34:45 PM
Still, this one doesn't beat the classic episode from a few years ago. The one where Jack's partner loses his hand in a school and five minutes later not only is he already at the hospital but his operation has been completed!

I think there's a simple explanation for that.  Jack Bauer tortured the wound and berated it until it healed.
Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11 (SPOILERS).
Post by: Thrifty on March 09, 2009, 06:14:41 PM
:(

R.I.P Bill Buchanan
Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11 (SPOILERS).
Post by: bratpop on March 09, 2009, 10:29:44 PM
This should have been the two hours with the last episode. The conclusion to the hostage crisis was anticlimactic.
Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11 (SPOILERS).
Post by: Thrifty on March 10, 2009, 02:13:31 PM
This should have been the two hours with the last episode. The conclusion to the hostage crisis was anticlimactic.

Bill Buchanan blew himself up and Juma was shot in the middle of a massive firefight.  What more do you want?

What happened with that meeting President Taylor had with Vice President Dickless?  They set that up and never paid it off.
Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11 (SPOILERS).
Post by: Thrifty on March 10, 2009, 02:18:14 PM
Also, the White House Chief of Staff is totally in on it.  I know it.
Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11 (SPOILERS).
Post by: Thrifty on March 17, 2009, 07:43:30 AM
Looks like most of the cards are out on the table.  We know what Hodges is up to, and we can guess what his role is (probably an executive with that defense contractor whatever).

Good episode.  I liked the bulldozer.  It was an interesting new wrinkle.  I don't like the death of Senator Mayer.
Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11 (SPOILERS).
Post by: bratpop on March 17, 2009, 09:34:43 AM
I'm glad he's dead because his name was... Senator... Mayor... and spelling it different (offscreen) didn't make it any less stupid.

Attacking somebody with a bulldozer was pretty fucking awesome though.
Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11 (SPOILERS).
Post by: Thrifty on March 25, 2009, 02:01:39 PM
I'm glad he's dead because his name was... Senator... Mayor... and spelling it different (offscreen) didn't make it any less stupid.

Attacking somebody with a bulldozer was pretty fucking awesome though.

Damn you bratpop, I didn't notice that until you mentioned it.  Now it's going to stick out like a sore thumb the rest of the season.  They could have at least changed around the pronounciation, like "my-er" (rhyming with "dryer").

Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11 (SPOILERS).
Post by: Thrifty on March 25, 2009, 02:08:23 PM
Liked Monday's show.  When they introduced the officer redshirt at the shipping dock, I thought they were laying down the irony a little thick.  Deadmeat's death in Hot Shots was more subtle.  So because they were laying it on a little thick, it didn't really come as a surprise that Jack ended up saving the guy later.  It's like, because you expect this guy to die, and they seem to be trying too hard to make you expect it, the nature of the show to throw twists in there makes his survival a twist, but an expected twist.

Still, a strong episode all around.  Loved that shootout.  Jack and Tony are so badass together.
Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11 (SPOILERS).
Post by: MrTorso on March 25, 2009, 05:05:40 PM
Jack gave him his word that he would keep him safe. Jack is a man of his word.
Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11 (SPOILERS).
Post by: Thrifty on March 25, 2009, 05:26:36 PM
Jack gave him his word that he would keep him safe. Jack is a man of his word.

You're right.  And I'll bet he was thinking back to when he gave Dubaku's girlfriend the same promise but failed to deliver.
Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11 (SPOILERS).
Post by: bratpop on March 26, 2009, 02:50:01 AM
Would it have been so hard to move the thug's body so they don't set off the Splinter Cell alarm? Jesus. If you're going to be Splinter Cell, at least play the game right. 30 seconds was plenty of time for two guys to move a body. And then the 30 seconds is moot.
Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11 (SPOILERS).
Post by: Thrifty on March 26, 2009, 04:20:42 AM
Would it have been so hard to move the thug's body so they don't set off the Splinter Cell alarm? Jesus. If you're going to be Splinter Cell, at least play the game right. 30 seconds was plenty of time for two guys to move a body. And then the 30 seconds is moot.

What would that accomplish?  The badguys would still know their thug was missing and something was afoot, even if they didn't see the body.
Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11 (SPOILERS).
Post by: Nunyerbiz on March 26, 2009, 12:28:53 PM
I'm hoping Jack isn't sidelined too long with the whole bio-weapon detox subplot which appears to be approaching... Seems like once every season we get the "let's give Keifer a break" episode where he isn't around much... Usually not a problem, but with the White House side of this season being a little lackluster and everything else gaining steam.... altho I suppose this next episode will be the inevitable full foundation of the president's daughter as a First Lady Palmer-esque baddie....
Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11 (SPOILERS).
Post by: MrTorso on March 27, 2009, 04:31:34 PM
After the president's daughter went all "James Bond Villain diarrhea of the mouth" about her leaking the story to the reporter over the phone, I wanted Ethan to be standing there listening.
Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11 (SPOILERS).
Post by: bratpop on March 28, 2009, 02:13:32 AM
Like RIGHT there. "I uh... just came back for my cactus."
Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11 (SPOILERS).
Post by: MrTorso on March 28, 2009, 08:14:58 AM
Exactly. She even started to glance towards where he exited the room too.
Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11 (SPOILERS).
Post by: Thrifty on March 31, 2009, 11:50:40 AM
That was a clever wrinkle with Jack's infection.  When Dr. Mercer opened up the containment wall, I assumed (as I suppose the writers intended us to) that it meant Jack was healthy.  Didn't expect that the actual reason would be because he wasn't contagious.  Good call, breeding the bio-weapon to be non-infectious. 

Also, I didn't see that twist with the executive-guy pretending to be a turncoat but actually still being loyal to Hodges and setting up the FBI for an ambush.  I did sense something was up; it was all way too easy.

It was interesting to see Sonny Mercer again.  Only real hardcore 24 fanatics would have recognized her.

I like where this is going.  Usually, the hard part is finding the bad guys, and when they do, the bad guys are nimble enough to escape or so outnumbered and outgunned that they're a pushover.  This time, the government knows exactly where the bad guys are, and it's looking like this will be an even match.
Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11 (SPOILERS).
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on March 31, 2009, 04:42:34 PM
They totally stole this "infection" from Millennium.  Prions are awesome though.
http://millennium-thisiswhoweare.net/cmeacg/millennium_episode_article.php?article=18&mlm_code=223 (http://millennium-thisiswhoweare.net/cmeacg/millennium_episode_article.php?article=18&mlm_code=223)
Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11 (SPOILERS).
Post by: bratpop on March 31, 2009, 04:54:14 PM
The FBI are kinda pushovers huh.

"Freeze, FBI!"

"...No!"

"Aw come on. Please?"

I know there are lots of militias and crazies even in the states, but I have a hard time believing you could PAY somebody enough to point guns at the FBI, especially when your company's financial future is threatened. The CEO may be a loony, but the mercs are in it for the money by definition. What are they going to do tomorrow, go live on the MOON?
Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11 (SPOILERS).
Post by: MrTorso on April 06, 2009, 11:11:51 PM
No no no no no no no no no no no no no Kim please..... UGH.
Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11 (SPOILERS).
Post by: bratpop on April 07, 2009, 12:25:03 AM
This was the flubbiest damn episode I've ever seen. Hodges and Tony are hiding while electromagically unlocking a door, and a Humvee patrol drives by, and just before they leave, Hodges says, "We're not gonna make it!" and runs out to be caught by them, when they were in no danger of being caught. It's like he has to randomly spurt action movie clichés regardless of their relevance. I'm calling it Hodges disease. If ever a guy deserved to be crazy-thrown off a balcony...

Then at the end, the insane idiot's plan to thwart the government is given free reign by a president so retarded that she calls off an air strike that could have wiped out the whole compound long before they even pressed the button to launch an angry-old-man missile. WTF. They were monitoring with radar, so how were they supposed to tell the difference between being attacked or the air strike flying right over head after being called off, apart from not being blown up? What, were they going to retaliate AFTER they got blown up? Or were these missiles miles and miles away in a secret location?
Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11 (SPOILERS).
Post by: Thrifty on April 07, 2009, 03:53:14 AM
This was the flubbiest damn episode I've ever seen. Hodges and Tony are hiding while electromagically unlocking a door, and a Humvee patrol drives by, and just before they leave, Hodges says, "We're not gonna make it!" and runs out to be caught by them, when they were in no danger of being caught. It's like he has to randomly spurt action movie clichés regardless of their relevance. I'm calling it Hodges disease. If ever a guy deserved to be crazy-thrown off a balcony...

Hodges is the bad guy.  Doug Knowles, Chairman of Starkwood, was the guy stalking around with Tony. 

And Knowles didn't realize they were in no danger of being caught.  He probably panicked.  The guy's a business man, not a secret agent.

Quote
Then at the end, the insane idiot's plan to thwart the government is given free reign by a president so retarded that she calls off an air strike that could have wiped out the whole compound long before they even pressed the button to launch an angry-old-man missile. WTF. They were monitoring with radar, so how were they supposed to tell the difference between being attacked or the air strike flying right over head after being called off, apart from not being blown up? What, were they going to retaliate AFTER they got blown up? Or were these missiles miles and miles away in a secret location?

Presidents on 24 follow a firm rule of "we do not negotiate with terrorists... .unless it is expedient to the plot to do so".  In season 3, David Palmer wouldn't release Ramon Salazar to stop the release of a deadly plague, but later on he would murder a decorated federal agent. 

I figure that Hodges did have the capacity to launch those missiles even if the air strike was successful.  This was a surgical air strike on a small portion of the Starkwood compound; moving a few of the missiles to a separate area outside of the air strike's range is not impossible or difficult.

But yes, I agree it was stupid for her to fold that quickly.  Because now Hodges has bought some time to arm more missiles.  Proceeding with the air strike could have caused some civilian casualties when the missiles were deployed, but now Hodges has the capacity to cause even more and to blackmail the government.
Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11 (SPOILERS).
Post by: Thrifty on April 07, 2009, 03:56:01 AM
No no no no no no no no no no no no no Kim please..... UGH.

;_;  Nobody likes Kim.

I'd heard about her return before the season began (I think she's slated to be around for the last 4 episodes, so starting at 4:00).  I think it's nice to have someone who humanizes Jack a little better; someone he cares about more than anything, and that makes him more than a 1-dimensional Rambo-esque super-soldier.  Also she's pretty.
Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11 (SPOILERS).
Post by: MrTorso on April 07, 2009, 10:31:42 AM
No no no no no no no no no no no no no Kim please..... UGH.

;_;  Nobody likes Kim.

I'd heard about her return before the season began (I think she's slated to be around for the last 4 episodes, so starting at 4:00).  I think it's nice to have someone who humanizes Jack a little better; someone he cares about more than anything, and that makes him more than a 1-dimensional Rambo-esque super-soldier.  Also she's pretty.

Which would be fine and dandy if the character wasn't a spoiled brat. I really hate spoiled brat characters.
Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11 (SPOILERS).
Post by: Thrifty on April 07, 2009, 10:35:17 AM
No no no no no no no no no no no no no Kim please..... UGH.

;_;  Nobody likes Kim.

I'd heard about her return before the season began (I think she's slated to be around for the last 4 episodes, so starting at 4:00).  I think it's nice to have someone who humanizes Jack a little better; someone he cares about more than anything, and that makes him more than a 1-dimensional Rambo-esque super-soldier.  Also she's pretty.

Which would be fine and dandy if the character wasn't a spoiled brat. I really hate spoiled brat characters.

Hmm.  Can you cite examples? 

I can see how she can have a bit of an attitude; her brush off of Jack during her last appearance in season 5 was off-putting, but I never found that much worse than the dozen other obnoxious opportunistic jerks who have snippy turf wars in the middle of national crises.
Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11 (SPOILERS).
Post by: Raven on April 13, 2009, 06:58:49 PM
That was awesome.  I was hoping they would go there for the last 2 months.
Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11 (SPOILERS).
Post by: Bairman on April 13, 2009, 07:06:46 PM
I never saw it coming.  I love it when that happens.
Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11 (SPOILERS).
Post by: SaucyRossy on April 13, 2009, 08:59:40 PM
depending how this ends this might end up being the best season of 24 ever. Also this season is easily one of the best tv shows on the air, right up there with Lost. Amazing. The writers strike really saved the show. Tony pulls off one of the most heroic and badass acts of the shows history in the past two episodes then that happens....brilliant.
Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11 (SPOILERS).
Post by: MrTorso on April 13, 2009, 10:43:16 PM
I don't think they have ever done the switcheroo switcheroo like that before!! He's bad! He's good! He's bad!
Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11 (SPOILERS).
Post by: Thrifty on April 14, 2009, 02:01:47 AM
I'm still undecided on this "badguy who turns out to be a goodguy but oh wait he really is a badguy" triple cross.  From what we know so far (which isn't much), I can't understand how it would fit into the internal logic of the show that Tony would go to such lengths to stop the bio-weapon from being deployed, only to murder an FBI agent to smuggle some of it out again.

Most likely scenario, I guess, is that Tony and the black dude are working not for Starkwood, but for a competing entity.
Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11 (SPOILERS).
Post by: bratpop on April 14, 2009, 02:56:16 AM
Not really an effective way to kill somebody. "Nope... nope, I can still breathe a little. Move your middle finger a quarter inch to the left and curl it slightly."

"I think they have missiles!"
"Are you sure?"
"Yes, there's a fuel truck next to these missile silos, and I happen to know that fuel is only used for... ahey!"

I wish Rifftrax had riffed Redemption (shut up, I know there's an iRiff) cos that was their one chance to riff 24 without banking on anybody buying a boxed set.
Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11 (SPOILERS).
Post by: tgeorgic on April 14, 2009, 09:15:22 AM
didnt make much sense based on his actions in the last episode and most of this one but i actually figured they were going to have him evil way back in the start after they had taken the time to make him a good guy again.  there was the one scene where he found the destroyed computer interface device the bad guys were using prior to that.  they showed it in working condition at the start of that sequence when the bad guys were gettting ready to move out but then when tony showed it, it wasnt working.  nowhere in that sequence was there an insert shot of it being damaged so either that wasnt the same device they had and he pocketed the real one (or maybe just used it to buy time for someone else to escape with it and he didnt want them to go searching for it anymore) or he broke it himself because it would lead to who he was actually working for.
Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11 (SPOILERS).
Post by: MrTorso on April 14, 2009, 09:41:27 AM
Is Moss really dead? The clock wasn't silent.
Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11 (SPOILERS).
Post by: Thrifty on April 14, 2009, 09:44:31 AM
Is Moss really dead? The clock wasn't silent.

Sure.  They've avoided the silent clock at other major character deaths.  Michelle Dessler, David Palmer, Milo, Curtis Manning, Tony Almeida (oh wait).

This is so fucking lame.  How could Tony do something like that?  I hope they nail his ass.  Larry Moss was a great man and a great American patriot.
Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11 (SPOILERS).
Post by: Raven on April 14, 2009, 09:51:12 AM
I'm still waiting on a truly unhappy ending like the first season.  I hope Tony gets away with whatever it is he's planning and next season involves him again. 
Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11 (SPOILERS).
Post by: MrTorso on April 14, 2009, 09:53:16 AM
Is Moss really dead? The clock wasn't silent.

Sure.  They've avoided the silent clock at other major character deaths.  Michelle Dessler, David Palmer, Milo, Curtis Manning, Tony Almeida (oh wait).

This is so fucking lame.  How could Tony do something like that?  I hope they nail his ass.  Larry Moss was a great man and a great American patriot.

Awesome so according to 24 logic Curtis is still alive!!
Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11 (SPOILERS).
Post by: iv3rdawG on April 14, 2009, 11:57:21 AM
I thought it was nice seeing Kim come back...even if it was only for like 5 minutes. Like many of you I didn't expect Tony being bad :-\
Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11 (SPOILERS).
Post by: David on April 14, 2009, 12:23:27 PM
He's helping the FBI so much, including volunteering information and services so you can't just say it's playing along with the good guys, and then he just up and kills Larry? Such a B.S. shock value plot twist. I guess he has his own agenda, like he hates Starkwood AND the government? Whatever.
Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11 (SPOILERS).
Post by: Thrifty on April 14, 2009, 12:23:53 PM
I thought it was nice seeing Kim come back...even if it was only for like 5 minutes. Like many of you I didn't expect Tony being bad :-\

I agree on Kim.  I thought it was a very sweet moment.  I'm a little conflicted on her choice of the word "daddy".  The last time we saw her, she was telling Jack "I love you, but I can't be around you because you cause people to die."  That was five years ago (on the show's timeline) and three years ago (real life).  I think it's nice that she's expressing regret and that Jack is moving toward a reconciliation with Kim.  Ever since he got back from China, he seemed like such a husk of a man.  A killing machine instead of a human.  Kim can bring him back to Earth.

She's actually around for the rest of the season.
Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11 (SPOILERS).
Post by: Thrifty on April 14, 2009, 12:25:06 PM
He's helping the FBI so much, including volunteering information and services so you can't just say it's playing along with the good guys, and then he just up and kills Larry? Such a B.S. shock value plot twist. I guess he has his own agenda, like he hates Starkwood AND the government? Whatever.

I can't make sense of it either, but they'll explain.  I'm guessing he's with a third party competing against Starkwood.
Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11 (SPOILERS).
Post by: bratpop on April 14, 2009, 10:15:33 PM
I hate people who hate Kim.
Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11 (SPOILERS).
Post by: MrTorso on April 14, 2009, 11:25:30 PM
It is all Kim's fault her mom is dead anyway.
Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11 (SPOILERS).
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on April 15, 2009, 06:12:27 AM
It is all Kim's fault her mom is dead anyway.

Wait, if Kim's mom hadn't died then 24 would feature Kim since Jack and her would still be close, so actually you Kim haters should be happy Kim's mom is dead.
Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11 (SPOILERS).
Post by: MrTorso on April 15, 2009, 03:48:59 PM
(http://www.popcritics.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/kim_bauer_24_cougar.jpg)

Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11 (SPOILERS).
Post by: Raven on April 15, 2009, 09:01:46 PM
(http://www.popcritics.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/kim_bauer_24_cougar.jpg)



Oh god, I forgot the moutain lion.  Now I almost wanna rewatch season 2...  Almost. 
Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11 (SPOILERS).
Post by: Thrifty on April 21, 2009, 06:50:17 AM
Kind of a bland episode yesterday, but it usually is when they're starting up a new plotline.  Bland, but satisfactory.  Nice reveal on Jack's granddaughter.  Maybe Kim will notify Jack of it, and that will make Jack change his mind.  More likely though, is that now that Tony's cover has been blown, Jack is going to realize how important it is that HE be healthy.

Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11 (SPOILERS).
Post by: Thrifty on April 21, 2009, 06:51:10 AM
(http://www.popcritics.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/kim_bauer_24_cougar.jpg)

Wrong thread (http://forum.rifftrax.com/index.php/topic,189.0.html).
Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11 (SPOILERS).
Post by: MrTorso on April 21, 2009, 04:22:19 PM
Kind of a bland episode yesterday, but it usually is when they're starting up a new plotline.  Bland, but satisfactory.  Nice reveal on Jack's granddaughter.  Maybe Kim will notify Jack of it, and that will make Jack change his mind.  More likely though, is that now that Tony's cover has been blown, Jack is going to realize how important it is that HE be healthy.


Yeah I figure he will want to get better so he can take care of Tony. Too bad Tony had to go all James Bond villain and admit to wrong doing to Jack. If he kept his mouth shut they could have chalked it up to the bio-weapon as paranoia was one of the effects.
Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11 (SPOILERS).
Post by: Nunyerbiz on April 22, 2009, 08:37:12 AM
He's helping the FBI so much, including volunteering information and services so you can't just say it's playing along with the good guys, and then he just up and kills Larry? Such a B.S. shock value plot twist. I guess he has his own agenda, like he hates Starkwood AND the government? Whatever.

As soon as Jon Voight revealed to the President that, he too, was merely a cog in the greater conspiracy... I knew all bets were off. I certainly won't say that I saw the Tony bad guy angle coming, but I wasn't terribly shocked by it either. Something had to give once they played their hand... and it clearly wasn't with Voight being the big fish.
Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11 (SPOILERS).
Post by: Thrifty on May 05, 2009, 07:32:27 AM
Last night's episode, and the one before that were kinda blah.  The season is starting to feel like it's gone on too long.  Maybe I'm just weary from all the suspense.  Maybe it just seems like it's getting repetetive.  Like how many times has Jack gotten all shakey and had to take another injection?  How many times has Jack explained to someone that he's dying and there's no cure? (even though there is).  Both Jack and Tony have been outlaws for the course of two separate plot lines.  We've gone through a fair number of them too:

1) Tony has the CIP firewall device and is using it to wreak havoc.
2) Tony is actually a good guy undercover to stop Dubaku who is really the bad guy using the CIP device to blackmail the government.
3) Dubaku has the president's husband captive and is using him to blackmail the government.
4) Dubaku has the key to uncovering massive corruption in the government.
5) Juma invades The White House.
6) Hodges obtains a preon variant bioweapon and is using it to blackmail the government.
7) Tony turns out to be a bad guy after all, and is working with a secret consortium of defense contractors to stage an attack and blame terrorists.

It's getting on my nerves.
Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11 (SPOILERS).
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on May 05, 2009, 11:53:50 AM
Kiefer Sutherland HEADBUTTS Designer At Met After Party: Report
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/05/05/kiefer-sutherland-headbut_n_196881.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/05/05/kiefer-sutherland-headbut_n_196881.html)

Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11 (SPOILERS).
Post by: Thrifty on May 05, 2009, 12:40:07 PM
Kiefer Sutherland HEADBUTTS Designer At Met After Party: Report
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/05/05/kiefer-sutherland-headbut_n_196881.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/05/05/kiefer-sutherland-headbut_n_196881.html)

Brooke Shields looks like a mannequin.
Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11 (SPOILERS).
Post by: Thrifty on May 11, 2009, 07:05:22 PM
Oh hey.  Kim is in danger and bad guys are using that to manipulate Jack.  That's a new wrinkle.  They've never tried doing that before.
Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11 (SPOILERS).
Post by: James of LinHood on May 12, 2009, 08:39:30 AM
That angle doesn't bother me as much as it was obvious that the shady dude following Kate was a good guy while the nice people were obviously the bad people.  Saw that from a mile away.

All I hope for is that this Olivia witch gets what's coming to her.  Man, I hate her.  But I also HATE Garafalo's character.  Talk about annoying.

Other than that, I'm digging how 24's going this season.  Should be an interesting season finale.
Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11 (SPOILERS).
Post by: Thrifty on May 12, 2009, 09:32:35 AM
That angle doesn't bother me as much as it was obvious that the shady dude following Kate was a good guy while the nice people were obviously the bad people.  Saw that from a mile away.
Kate?  You mean Kim? 

I'm kinda dumb.  I didn't pick up on that until the shady fella called Jack.  Then I pieced together that the nice people were villians.

Quote
All I hope for is that this Olivia witch gets what's coming to her.  Man, I hate her.  But I also HATE Garafalo's character.  Talk about annoying.
You sound like my mother.  I like Olivia :(

I think it's just because, since Jericho, I have a soft spot for Sprague Grayden.
Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11 (SPOILERS).
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on May 12, 2009, 03:28:16 PM
I hope the terrorists win this time.  That would be a twist.
Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11 (SPOILERS).
Post by: Thrifty on May 18, 2009, 10:43:45 AM
Two hours season finale tonight in just about 6 hours.  I await it with bated breath.

But I will be so pissed off if they kill Kim.
Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11 (SPOILERS).
Post by: Thrifty on May 18, 2009, 10:44:32 AM
I hope the terrorists win this time.  That would be a twist.

Been there, done that.  They nuked Valencia and killed 13,000 people in season 6.

The badguys win a lot of small victories.
Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11 (SPOILERS).
Post by: Raven on May 18, 2009, 10:51:20 AM
I'd like this one to end with Tony escaping or something along those lines.  I doubt Kim's gonna die though.   Jack still needs to figure out a way to get to the next season.
Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11 (SPOILERS).
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on May 18, 2009, 11:40:37 AM
The last two episodes have leaked online.
Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11 (SPOILERS).
Post by: MrTorso on May 18, 2009, 11:43:48 AM
The last two episodes have leaked online.

Not surprising. The DVDs and BLU-Rays come out tomorrow.
Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11 (SPOILERS).
Post by: James of LinHood on May 18, 2009, 02:23:11 PM
It's actually kinda tempting to hunt those down and watch them.  Then I won't have to stay up late to watch 24.   :P

EDIT: Nevermind.  I just saw that it will start at 7:00 PM Central, not 8:00 PM Central.  Excellent.
Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11 (SPOILERS).
Post by: Thrifty on May 18, 2009, 05:41:25 PM
8:40 PM EST right now, commercial time.  I think I can see where this is going.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

We'll see if that pans out at the end of the show in 80 minutes..
Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11 (SPOILERS).
Post by: Thrifty on May 18, 2009, 06:12:08 PM
8:40 PM EST right now, commercial time.  I think I can see where this is going.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

We'll see if that pans out at the end of the show in 80 minutes..

Boo yah.  Totally called it.
Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11 (SPOILERS).
Post by: MrTorso on May 18, 2009, 09:16:55 PM
Yeah I saw that coming too. The ending?? Eh...
Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11 (SPOILERS).
Post by: James of LinHood on May 19, 2009, 06:03:22 AM
I love when two random thugs can win a shootout against eight cops.  I couldn't help but laugh as cop after cop was blown away like Imperial Stormtroopers by the hippie thug.

Also, I found it hilarious that after Kim's arm caught on fire she just stood there for 20 minutes before taking her flaming coat off.  I was like "Ummmm....stop, drop, and roll?" *Kim still stands there like an idiot* "STOP, DROP, AND ROLL!" *Kim finally takes her coat off*  Moron.

I agree that the ending left much to be desired.  Oh well, I'll still tune in next season.   :)

BTW, I did like this finale.  But I just had to point out some of the more ridiculous things about it.
Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11 (SPOILERS).
Post by: mattwnelson on May 19, 2009, 02:59:30 PM

Also, I found it hilarious that after Kim's arm caught on fire she just stood there for 20 minutes before taking her flaming coat off.  I was like "Ummmm....stop, drop, and roll?" *Kim still stands there like an idiot* "STOP, DROP, AND ROLL!" *Kim finally takes her coat off*  Moron.

Kim, despite the numerous times they've attempted to show how smart she is, is about as sharp as a sack of wet hamsters. Every time she comes on I start thinking of ways they should've already killed her.

M@
Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11 (SPOILERS).
Post by: MrTorso on May 19, 2009, 08:34:09 PM
and yeah she is going to try to save her dad but again she doesn't listen to him. Spoiled brat!
Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11 (SPOILERS).
Post by: Thrifty on May 25, 2009, 04:56:23 PM
Also, I found it hilarious that after Kim's arm caught on fire she just stood there for 20 minutes before taking her flaming coat off.  I was like "Ummmm....stop, drop, and roll?" *Kim still stands there like an idiot* "STOP, DROP, AND ROLL!" *Kim finally takes her coat off*  Moron.

I counted.  After she got free of the car, she only had her coat on for about 15 seconds which doesn't seem like a hugely long time.
Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11 (SPOILERS).
Post by: iv3rdawG on October 28, 2009, 09:21:15 PM
Trailer for the new season:

http://www.youtube.com/v/ad0TlINWdi8&hl=en&fs=1&

Oh hi Katee.
Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11 (SPOILERS).
Post by: MrTorso on October 28, 2009, 09:31:30 PM
Yeah Yeah! I was hoping they would do another bridge movie between seasons but I guess not.
Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11 (SPOILERS).
Post by: Thrifty on October 29, 2009, 04:16:59 AM
^___________^

Looks like this one is about 3 years after the last season, judging from the age of Kim's daughter.
Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11 (SPOILERS).
Post by: Rude on October 29, 2009, 11:00:49 AM
...

I realized the other day that i haven't really watched a regular series since LOST and 24 went off the air. Can't wait for the new season!

-Rude
Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11 (SPOILERS).
Post by: MrTorso on October 29, 2009, 11:08:23 AM
^___________^

Looks like this one is about 3 years after the last season, judging from the age of Kim's daughter.

Yeah. So apparently the super-experimental treatment for Jack worked.
Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11 (SPOILERS).
Post by: Thrifty on October 29, 2009, 11:12:49 AM
^___________^

Looks like this one is about 3 years after the last season, judging from the age of Kim's daughter.

Yeah. So apparently the super-experimental treatment for Jack worked.

Was there ever any doubt?

I think I heard the producers admit that they knew the audience would never believe, intellectually, that Jack would die, but they did their best to make us believe, emotionally, that he might.  I think it worked.
Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11 (SPOILERS).
Post by: MrTorso on October 29, 2009, 11:22:22 AM
I knew they wouldn't kill him off I just hate shows that have the big ol cliffhanger ending then when the show starts again it is 3 years later and everything is ok. They did it with President Palmer when he got the "stink palming" they showed him all twitching on the ground and the next time we seem him he has some scars on his hand and there was no real explanation of anything.  I know it is because of the limitations of the shows format (24 hours etc), so why even bother having any kind of open cliffhanger?

Title: Re: 24 season 7 starts 1/11 (SPOILERS).
Post by: Thrifty on October 29, 2009, 12:24:58 PM
I knew they wouldn't kill him off I just hate shows that have the big ol cliffhanger ending then when the show starts again it is 3 years later and everything is ok. They did it with President Palmer when he got the "stink palming" they showed him all twitching on the ground and the next time we seem him he has some scars on his hand and there was no real explanation of anything.  I know it is because of the limitations of the shows format (24 hours etc), so why even bother having any kind of open cliffhanger?

Know what I hate?  Shows that end the season on a cliffhanger, then the show gets cancelled.  Anyone else see the last episode of My Name is Earl?  That's going to remain unresolved FOREVER.

Anyway... back on topic.... Now that you mention Palmer's hand contamination thing.  That was dumb.  They did it to close the 2nd season, implying that it was some sort of "Plan B" after the plan Jigsaw (I mean Kingsley) put into place failed.  They made mentions of it early 3rd season, and showed some scarring on Palmer's hand, then kinda revisited it when Mandy (the woman who perpetrated it) was captured, but that's it.  They've never explored that or tied it in to any major plot lines.  Throwaway material like that works on most shows, but it seems wildly out of place for 24.

They should bring Mandy back... if only to get her arrested or killed so she can be accountable for what she's done.