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Title: Rock 'n' Roll Hall of Fame
Post by: starfighter on December 13, 2006, 07:58:17 PM
  I was inspired by the Guilty Pleasures thread to bring this up.  Just read online that the next group of 5 inductees to the Hall will be announced on Jan. 8, 2007 and come from this list of 9 nominees: Chic, Dave Clark 5, Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five, R.E.M., Patti Smith, The Stooges, Joe Tex and Van Halen.
   Other than some really questionable "rock and roll" credentials for some of these nominees, I'm surprised at how hard they try to have an extremely broad spectrum for their possible choices, but this thread should be about who you think the Hall have screwed over the most; or who you think belongs in the hall much more than any of these acts and you can't take the hall seriously because your favorite acts haven't been inducted??
     Personally,  I can't believe neither Genesis, Yes or Kate Bush are in the hall.
    Your choices??
Title: Re: Rock 'n' Roll Hall of Fame
Post by: mrbasehart on December 13, 2006, 08:04:07 PM
I'd have to see a list before I started complaining about who should be in the HOF.  Though the following should be in there already:

Black Sabbath
Metallica
The Sex Pistols
Deep Purple
Little Richard
Led Zeppelin
Queen
The Beatles
The Who

Title: Re: Rock 'n' Roll Hall of Fame
Post by: Sharktopus on December 13, 2006, 08:09:08 PM
I have a better question: Why the hell is the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame in Cleveland? ??? I guess it the decision-making process was similar to deciding where the US capital should be - instead of deciding which of a number of cities would be best they just picked on that had little else going for it.

I don't really care who gets inducted. This is just another of the dozens of awards the recording industry have invented to pat themselves on the back.

As for rock & roll credentials, I think it's virtually impossible to define "rock & roll." There's no reason blues, jazz, fok, funk, disco, reggae, or hip hop acts shouldn't be included, since they could all be considered as influential on rock music if not as rock. And since I don't see a legitimate hip hop hall of fame happening for a long long time, go Grandmaster Flash!

I'd have to see a list before I started complaining about who should be in the HOF.  Though the following should be in there already:

Black Sabbath
Metallica
The Sex Pistols
Deep Purple
Little Richard
Led Zeppelin
Queen
The Beatles
The Who

Wasn't the Sex Pistols' biggest influence on music giving kids the idea that you could still have a punk band even if you suck?
Title: Re: Rock 'n' Roll Hall of Fame
Post by: mrbasehart on December 13, 2006, 08:20:14 PM
Wasn't the Sex Pistols' biggest influence on music giving kids the idea that you could still have a punk band even if you suck?

I don't particularly like The Sex Pistols either, but I think their influence on music is undeniable.  Even if it was crap!  ;D
Title: Re: Rock 'n' Roll Hall of Fame
Post by: kodiakthejuggler on December 13, 2006, 08:27:53 PM
I have a better question: Why the hell is the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame in Cleveland? ??? I guess it the decision-making process was similar to deciding where the US capital should be - instead of deciding which of a number of cities would be best they just picked on that had little else going for it.

I don't really care who gets inducted. This is just another of the dozens of awards the recording industry have invented to pat themselves on the back.

As for rock & roll credentials, I think it's virtually impossible to define "rock & roll." There's no reason blues, jazz, fok, funk, disco, reggae, or hip hop acts shouldn't be included, since they could all be considered as influential on rock music if not as rock. And since I don't see a legitimate hip hop hall of fame happening for a long long time, go Grandmaster Flash!

I'd have to see a list before I started complaining about who should be in the HOF.  Though the following should be in there already:

Black Sabbath
Metallica
The Sex Pistols
Deep Purple
Little Richard
Led Zeppelin
Queen
The Beatles
The Who

Wasn't the Sex Pistols' biggest influence on music giving kids the idea that you could still have a punk band even if you suck?

I know I'm probably gonna offend all you punkers out there, but....


ALL PUNK BANDS SUCK!!!!!!
Seriously. They do. Big time. That is all.

*commence the flaming retorts   ;)
Title: Re: Rock 'n' Roll Hall of Fame
Post by: Sharktopus on December 13, 2006, 08:32:35 PM
Wasn't the Sex Pistols' biggest influence on music giving kids the idea that you could still have a punk band even if you suck?

I know I'm probably gonna offend all you punkers out there, but....


ALL PUNK BANDS SUCK!!!!!!
Seriously. They do. Big time. That is all.

*commence the flaming retorts   ;)

Not true. I'm far from being a punker, but neither The Clash, nor The Ramones sucked. Then The Sex Pistols came along and ruined punk. Later it got a little better, then bands like Green Day and Blink-182 ruined it again.
Title: Re: Rock 'n' Roll Hall of Fame
Post by: kodiakthejuggler on December 13, 2006, 08:36:07 PM
Wasn't the Sex Pistols' biggest influence on music giving kids the idea that you could still have a punk band even if you suck?

I know I'm probably gonna offend all you punkers out there, but....


ALL PUNK BANDS SUCK!!!!!!
Seriously. They do. Big time. That is all.

*commence the flaming retorts   ;)

Not true. I'm far from being a punker, but neither The Clash, nor The Ramones sucked. Then The Sex Pistols came along and ruined punk. Later it got a little better, then bands like Green Day and Blink-182 ruined it again.

I got a big kick out of some Punk "authority" who said that Green Day "Is NOT Punk!!!", acting all offended at the notion that someone would call them "Punk". They all suck equally.   ;D

And where do Blink 182 get off acting all pussy? What a buncha girlies.  *All the... small things....    ::)
Title: Re: Rock 'n' Roll Hall of Fame
Post by: pyro on December 14, 2006, 10:21:58 AM
  R.E.M.


Ha! that's great, Peter Buck hates the idea of the Rock N' Roll Hall Of Fame and says eventually everyone will be in it




also, to me, the Clash created pop-punk
Title: Re: Rock 'n' Roll Hall of Fame
Post by: starfighter on December 14, 2006, 04:32:50 PM
    I'm pretty sure all the bands in mrbasehart's list are already in the Hall.  It's a very lengthy list.
     The primary "rule" of membership is that your first recording was at least 25 years ago so a number of mentioned groups just haven't been around long enough.  But there are acts that have been overlooked and several of them have advocates looking for their induction, like Steven VanSandt (sp?) from Springsteen's band and The Sopranos has been pushing for the Dave Clark 5, a largely forgotten band from the first British Invasion that had a number of hit singles and even a movie "Havin' a Wild Weekend" (British title "Catch us if You Can") directed by John Boorman of "Deliverance", "Zardoz" and "Excalibur".

   Like, where are the Kiss fans?
Title: Re: Rock 'n' Roll Hall of Fame
Post by: Teaflax on December 16, 2006, 05:13:29 AM
Anyone who cares what bands are on the RnR HoF should stop pretending that music matters to them. It's an institution that has proven its irrelevance from day one and will never honor most of the true pioneers and groundbreakers of music, instead opting to induct primarily safe, bland and populist mainstream musicians. At this point, being voted into the RnR HoF should pretty much be considered an insult.
Title: Re: Rock 'n' Roll Hall of Fame
Post by: AmandaGal on December 16, 2006, 11:17:05 AM
On the old boards I used to haunt we'd have psychos (aka fans) whining and hollering and petitioning that the Monkees weren't in the HOF.  Every year we'd have some petition or the other that they were going to get 100 signatures on (like the HOF cares).  They've pretty much been blacklisted, as they should be.

I personally think the HOF is stupid but not because they won't let the Monkees in.  It's pretty much the same with the "Hollywood Walk of Fame" which I've also had some dealings with.  It's more about making the "award" more important and what you can bring to the "award" than it is an honor to be chosen.

And yes, I used to hang out on Monkees boards...heck, I run Monkees board :-)  They were pretty funny when I was a kid (in the 80s, I'm not that old) and I honestly think their TV show was groundbreaking.  Their music, however...
Title: Re: Rock 'n' Roll Hall of Fame
Post by: mrbasehart on December 16, 2006, 11:34:28 AM
And yes, I used to hang out on Monkees boards...heck, I run Monkees board :-)  They were pretty funny when I was a kid (in the 80s, I'm not that old) and I honestly think their TV show was groundbreaking.  Their music, however...

Their movie, Head, is pretty cool too.
Title: Re: Rock 'n' Roll Hall of Fame
Post by: pyro on December 16, 2006, 07:49:43 PM
this is the extent of what I know about the Monkees

http://www.youtube.com/v/RgNxuNaYHsk
Title: Re: Rock 'n' Roll Hall of Fame
Post by: Brak on December 20, 2006, 05:20:55 PM
I dont know what all y'all think but i say they put Wierd Al Yankovic in there.  His music has made me who i am today  ;D

Anyway for my list id have to put:

U2
Led Zepplin
John Denver
Billy Joel
Journey
The Eagles
Boston
Kansas
Coldplay
Death Cab for Cutie
Keane
Electric Light Orchestra

Wasn't the Sex Pistols' biggest influence on music giving kids the idea that you could still have a punk band even if you suck?

I know I'm probably gonna offend all you punkers out there, but....


ALL PUNK BANDS SUCK!!!!!!
Seriously. They do. Big time. That is all.

*commence the flaming retorts   ;)

Not true. I'm far from being a punker, but neither The Clash, nor The Ramones sucked. Then The Sex Pistols came along and ruined punk. Later it got a little better, then bands like Green Day and Blink-182 ruined it again.

I got a big kick out of some Punk "authority" who said that Green Day "Is NOT Punk!!!", acting all offended at the notion that someone would call them "Punk". They all suck equally.   ;D

And where do Blink 182 get off acting all pussy? What a buncha girlies.  *All the... small things....    ::)

Im glad im not the only one who hates Green Day, i was sorley dissapointed when U2 decided to do a song with them.  well there is my 2 cents, please continue.
Title: Re: Rock 'n' Roll Hall of Fame
Post by: Sharktopus on December 21, 2006, 02:48:44 AM
It'll be about 20 years before Coldplay, Death Cab, or Keane would be elligible. Coldplay are probably a shoo-in though.
Title: Re: Rock 'n' Roll Hall of Fame
Post by: Teaflax on December 21, 2006, 05:44:05 AM
Coldplay are probably a shoo-in though.

And Keane are much more likely to eventually make the cut than Doves or Elbow are. Which kind of proves my point above.
Title: Re: Rock 'n' Roll Hall of Fame
Post by: Brak on December 21, 2006, 12:27:13 PM
It'll be about 20 years before Coldplay, Death Cab, or Keane would be elligible. Coldplay are probably a shoo-in though.

true, i just would like to eventually see them in there. but whatever happens ill still like em. 
Title: Re: Rock 'n' Roll Hall of Fame
Post by: Sharktopus on December 22, 2006, 05:21:08 AM
Coldplay are probably a shoo-in though.

And Keane are much more likely to eventually make the cut than Doves or Elbow are. Which kind of proves my point above.

I dunno what their status is in Europe, but why should Doves ever make the hall of fame? Don't get me wrong, though - I like them a lot. (I assume you've heard their sweet cover of Zevon's Werewolves Of London, titled Hit The Ground Running?) I've heard of Elbow, but haven't really heard Elbow.
Title: Re: Rock 'n' Roll Hall of Fame
Post by: Teaflax on December 27, 2006, 04:46:24 PM
I dunno what their status is in Europe, but why should Doves ever make the hall of fame?

Well, since they do what Coldplay and Keane do, except with more versatility, skill and depth.

(I assume you've heard their sweet cover of Zevon's Werewolves Of London, titled Hit The Ground Running?)

No, but then again, my interest in Zevon is virtually zero. I respect the man, but his songs just drone on going nowhere.

I've heard of Elbow, but haven't really heard Elbow.

Their third album Leaders of the Free World was one of the best albums of 2005, and the title track one of the best singles of that year. Absolutely stunning in every aspect you care to name.
Title: Re: Rock 'n' Roll Hall of Fame
Post by: davo on December 27, 2006, 09:09:41 PM
I'd have to see a list before I started complaining about who should be in the HOF.  Though the following should be in there already:

Black Sabbath
Metallica
The Sex Pistols
Deep Purple
Little Richard
Led Zeppelin
Queen
The Beatles
The Who



I dont know what all y'all think but i say they put Wierd Al Yankovic in there.  His music has made me who i am today  ;D

Anyway for my list id have to put:

U2
Led Zepplin
John Denver
Billy Joel
Journey
The Eagles
Boston
Kansas
Coldplay
Death Cab for Cutie
Keane
Electric Light Orchestra

you mean all of the above aren't in the hall of fame?? that has to be wrong...what kind of a music hall of fame doesn't have the beatles in it??
Title: Re: Rock 'n' Roll Hall of Fame
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on December 27, 2006, 09:13:06 PM
is miles davis a potential nominee?
Title: Re: Rock 'n' Roll Hall of Fame
Post by: mrbasehart on December 27, 2006, 09:46:07 PM
you mean all of the above aren't in the hall of fame?? that has to be wrong...what kind of a music hall of fame doesn't have the beatles in it??

I have no idea.  I was just spitting out names of bands that should be in the HOF if they aren't already.  I agree about The Beatles, though.  :)
Title: Re: Rock 'n' Roll Hall of Fame
Post by: starfighter on December 27, 2006, 10:22:05 PM
  It's a long list. Check out their site sometime. The Beatles are in as a group and as individuals.
    Miles Davis is in the Hall, but it does leave me to wonder if there is a jazz hall o fame.

    VH1 recently ran a program of the latest inductions to the UK Music Hall of Fame which I pulled out the tape today to watch James Brown's segment.  Seems like they have the same criteria of at least 25 years of longevity although I find it hard to believe BonJovi has been around that long.  It isn't a matter of putting in these "15 minutes of fame" acts that have been mentioned.
Title: Re: Rock 'n' Roll Hall of Fame
Post by: SecretAgentSuperDragon on December 28, 2006, 12:18:11 AM
They should think about knocking Grandmaster Flash(??? ??????) off and putting the Foo Fighters in. They deserve it.

And all the Classic Rockers that I love of course are probably in already: Zeppelin, the Floyd, Jimi Hendrix, The Doors, The Stones, Skynyrd, Guess Who, Bob Dylan..... and the list goes on.
Title: Re: Rock 'n' Roll Hall of Fame
Post by: BathTub on December 28, 2006, 02:01:05 AM
As I recall Weird Al has only just become eligble.  But unfotunately I doubt he will get in.
Title: Re: Rock 'n' Roll Hall of Fame
Post by: Sharktopus on December 28, 2006, 02:04:19 AM
They should think about knocking Grandmaster Flash(??? ??????) off and putting the Foo Fighters in. They deserve it.

I like the Foo Fighters, but it's too early to tell how influential they are. Anyway, they won't be eligible until 2020, although Dave Grohl himself would technically be eligible in 2013 or so.
Title: Re: Rock 'n' Roll Hall of Fame
Post by: Teaflax on December 28, 2006, 02:04:32 AM
They should think about knocking Grandmaster Flash(??? ??????) off and putting the Foo Fighters in. They deserve it.

There's no way FF have been around long enough. And say what you will about Grandmaster Flash, but there's someone who was an integral part in changing the face of popular music. The Foo Fighters - much as I like a lot of their stuff, have really not had that much of an impact.

Grohl's more famous earlier band Nirvana aren't even eligible yet, are they? They should be a shoo-in.
Title: Re: Rock 'n' Roll Hall of Fame
Post by: Sharktopus on December 28, 2006, 02:21:26 AM
They should think about knocking Grandmaster Flash(??? ??????) off and putting the Foo Fighters in. They deserve it.

There's no way FF have been around long enough. And say what you will about Grandmaster Flash, but there's someone who was an integral part in changing the face of popular music.

Yeah, Grandmaster Flash was hugely influential. For better or worse is a matter of opinion.

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The Foo Fighters - much as I like a lot of their stuff, have really not had that much of an impact.

Grohl's more famous earlier band Nirvana aren't even eligible yet, are they? They should be a shoo-in.

Nir-what? Is that a Ben & Jerry's flavor?  ;)

In 6 or 7 years Nirvana will be in the Hall of Fame with the likes of Chuck Berry and the Beatles.  Man oh man, will that make me feel old. I remember kids crying at school the day Kurt died.
Title: Re: Rock 'n' Roll Hall of Fame
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on December 28, 2006, 10:20:48 AM
its weird to think that so many people listened to nirvana and so few ever "got" them.  it seemed to be an integral part of many of their lyrics. 

i always secretly wonder if his suicide wasnt caused by the fact he had fame and money and sex and all of everything he ever wanted but was understood by none of his fans. 
Title: Re: Rock 'n' Roll Hall of Fame
Post by: BathTub on December 28, 2006, 12:29:15 PM
I always just assumed he sobered up and saw that Courtney Love was his wife.
Title: Re: Rock 'n' Roll Hall of Fame
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on December 28, 2006, 01:08:48 PM
ZING  LOL
Title: Re: Rock 'n' Roll Hall of Fame
Post by: kodiakthejuggler on December 28, 2006, 09:26:52 PM
What the heck does Grandmaster Flash have to do with Rock and Roll??


Miles Davis was a superb musician and hugely influential, but what contribution to Rock and Roll would he be attributed to?


Foo Fighters, IMO, are far too young a band to be inducted. As in, they've not been around quite long enough, nor had as much influence as other bands who came before them.


I will say right now that I disagree with anything Rolling Stone magazine says. If they like a band, I don't. And vice versa(just so you know...)

 ;)
Title: Re: Rock 'n' Roll Hall of Fame
Post by: Teaflax on December 28, 2006, 09:38:08 PM
I will say right now that I disagree with anything Rolling Stone magazine says. If they like a band, I don't. And vice versa(just so you know...)

I'm with you there. I got a three-issue test subscription once and was amazed at how magnificently out of touch they are. Ten years behind every trend and mainstreamy to a fault, it's really just a sickening display of cluelessness.

As for messrs Flash and Davis they have had larget effects on Rock music, even if those effects came about tangentially (Rap leading to Rap Metal and Davis "inventing" JazzFusion), but if you're going to stick just actual RnR in the RnRHoF, you'd have to throw out at least half the bands already inducted.
Title: Re: Rock 'n' Roll Hall of Fame
Post by: SecretAgentSuperDragon on December 28, 2006, 10:17:18 PM
but if you're going to stick just actual RnR in the RnRHoF, you'd have to throw out at least half the bands already inducted.

Done and done.

Also, I do realize that the Foo Fighters are too young to be inducted, but I was trying to give an example of the type of band that needs to be inducted instead of someone like Grandmaster Flash or Flavor Flav or The Violent Femmes. ;)
Title: Re: Rock 'n' Roll Hall of Fame
Post by: Mayor Of Simpleton on December 30, 2006, 02:28:00 PM
Chicago up to 1978 (Terry Kath's death) put out some great music, sold a lot of vinyl, and were a great concert draw. Listen to at least the first 3 albums and you'll know it's simply jazz rock genius.
Title: Re: Rock 'n' Roll Hall of Fame
Post by: starfighter on January 08, 2007, 02:23:29 PM
  They released the list of this year's inductees: Grandmaster Flash, R.E.M., the Ronettes, Patti Smith and VanHalen.  Seems like they want somebody for everybody to disagree on.
    Personally, I have no idea as to Patti Smith's importance since the only song I'm aware of her performing was written by Springsteen, but somebody feels she belongs there.
Title: Re: Rock 'n' Roll Hall of Fame
Post by: SecretAgentSuperDragon on January 08, 2007, 03:39:12 PM
They're also inducting my broken swiffer mop. They're saying it helped to clean up the industry. ;D
Title: Re: Rock 'n' Roll Hall of Fame
Post by: Nunyerbiz on January 08, 2007, 08:04:30 PM
Whether you are a fan of their music or not, it's hard to argue against Van Halen or R.E.M.. If you're looking for a combination of sales success, influence on other bands and a decent chunk of longevity... I can't think of many acts that hit it big in the 80's that fit the bill better. Sure, it's been 15 years or so since either band has done anything that can be considered relevant... but you'd be getting ahead of yourself if you put in bands while they still had other things to do. 
Title: Re: Rock 'n' Roll Hall of Fame
Post by: Johnny Unusual on February 25, 2010, 04:29:09 PM
If you like music from the 80's (and you probably do) and you want to vote for the top 50 hits of the 80's, then go here and vote for that:

http://forum.rifftrax.com/index.php/topic,17258.0.html