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Title: This movie was bad
Post by: Goshzilla on December 12, 2006, 09:36:22 PM
Seriously I have to agree with Mike Nelson on this. It contributes nothing important to the Star Wars mythology, and in many places it even hurts it. Why is the pod race so crucial to the star wars universe? Do we see it again, or is this just Lucas revisting chase scenes from Return of the Jedi?

For some reason Lucas had to go out of his way to explain how Jedis are one with the force cause of midichlorians. Thank you Lucas, at one point most people were perfectly fine with a spiritual connection, like how in martial art films the good guy has the edge cause their soul is pure, etc. but apparently that dream is dead.

Lucas also had to go out of his way to explain the origins of both C3P0 and R2D2. With C3PO's origins more ludicrous. Exactly how small of a galaxy is this? Note to Lucas... change the opening text to In a small galaxy far far away.

Did anyone know that Queen Amadala was elected, and she is 14 years old? Naboo is a pretty stupid planet then.

Good things pointed out by Kevin and Mike is that the force was meerly used as a conveneince to the story. Kevin singing part of the famous Madam Butterfly aria. The absurdity in giving R2D2 a medal for bravery, and the ridiculous constant costume changes Queen Amadama.

The music, I'm sorry but John Williams emphsizes stuff where music wasn't even needed. There is nothing grand, or operatic about fixing a jet engine, or Anakin showing his friends his room. Are those scenes where someone can think back and say "Oh John is using the Anakin can fix things motif"?

And as good as the special effects were, they were only good back in 1999, for some reason digital effects just look awful faster than the previous effects. So we can't even say that the implementation of special effects were monumental.
Title: Re: This movie was bad
Post by: PsypherPunk on December 13, 2006, 03:14:57 AM
The whole midiclorian thing gets more stupid every time I think about it. So they have symbiotic lifeforms living in their cells which allow them to communicate with the force. How do the midiclorians channel the force? Do they have smaller midiclorianites in their own cells, which in turn have nanomidiclorians in their cells, which then have...where does it end!?

Argh! It's like a Russian Doll of dumbass!
Title: Re: This movie was bad
Post by: MSTJedi on December 13, 2006, 06:38:12 AM
I was thinking the midichlorians were supposed to be like the mitochondria in our cells. It's been said that the mitochondria are almost separate organisms, so I guess Lucas decided to run with that. Even so, I still think that coming up with the whole idea was making the Force way too complicated. The Force is supposed to be mysterious - trying to come up with scientific explanations just cheapens it.
Title: Re: This movie was bad
Post by: Nunyerbiz on December 13, 2006, 07:43:43 AM
I think Kevin nailed my original feelings perfectly. Seeing this in the theater, I kept waiting for it to get better. The opening lightsaber/escape sequence was good enough for an opener, but then each scene really did start to eat more than previous scene once Jar Jar showed up. By the time Anakin was introduced as the builder of C3PO, I had completely given up hope. When he was all excited to run away with the hairy stranger without so much as saying goodbye to his mother... it was all downhill. Then they trotted out a midget with a full sized Greedo mask to represent "Kid Greedo"... and it started gathering some more speed. Then the two headed play-by-play Pod Race guys show up with the 'designed by Friz Freeling' pod race alien drivers... and it went off the rails and completely over the cliff.
Title: Re: This movie was bad
Post by: Minnesota on December 13, 2006, 08:41:47 AM

Lucas also had to go out of his way to explain the origins of both C3P0 and R2D2. With C3PO's origins more ludicrous. Exactly how small of a galaxy is this? Note to Lucas... change the opening text to In a small galaxy far far away.

funny, i thought the same thing when lucas decided that leah and luke are siblings :/
Title: Re: This movie was bad
Post by: Pak-Man on December 13, 2006, 08:50:03 AM
I dunno if Midichlorians "Cause" the force. I think that force-adepts tend to have more of them. They're an indicator more than a cause.
Title: Re: This movie was bad
Post by: MSTJedi on December 13, 2006, 10:04:07 AM
I dunno if Midichlorians "Cause" the force. I think that force-adepts tend to have more of them. They're an indicator more than a cause.

Doh! You beat me to it!
Title: Re: This movie was bad
Post by: PsypherPunk on December 13, 2006, 11:11:52 AM
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QUI-GON : Midi-chlorians are a microcopic lifeform that reside within all living cells and communicates with the Force.
ANAKIN : They live inside of me?
QUI-GON : In your cells. We are symbionts with the midi-chlorians.
ANAKIN : Symbionts?
QUI-GON : Life forms living together for mutual advantage. Without the midi-chlorians, life could not exist, and we would have no knowledge of the Force. They continually speak to you, telling you the will of the Force.

I interpreted that as them being man's medium with the Force.
Title: Re: This movie was bad
Post by: daltysmilth on December 13, 2006, 12:18:39 PM
I like this movie more than I used to.  I think if you ignore Jar Jar and some of Anakin's goofier moments, it's actually a decent film.  Or maybe it's just that the hurt I felt when I first watched it has worn off.  Maybe I've gone through all the stages of grief.

Stage 1: Denial: "Oh no!  George Lucas did not make a Star Wars movie this bad!

Stage 2: Anger:  "Damn you, George Lucas!  Why did you makes such a crappy Star Wars movie?!"

Stage 3: Bargaining: "Okay, George Lucas.  I'll give you anything you want if you make a better Star Wars movie.

Stage 4: Depression: "Star Wars is ruined for me forever!"

and finally

Stage 5: Acceptance:  "Aw, screw it.  I just won't let my expectations get so high for the next one."
Title: Re: This movie was bad
Post by: J-Proof on December 13, 2006, 01:07:56 PM
But prequels included, Star Wars still beats Star Trek for awesomeness ;)
Title: Re: This movie was bad
Post by: Aaron Haynes on January 27, 2007, 03:11:01 AM
I didn't realize this movie was bad until I watched it with the Rifftrax on. Seriously, I sort of enjoyed it, or at least my memories of it weren't too horrible. Watching it with Mike/Kevin's audio brought out everything that was embarrassing, inexplicable, or excruciatingly boring.

I always hated Jar-Jar, obviously.
Title: Re: This movie was bad
Post by: Goshzilla on January 31, 2007, 11:26:43 PM
A life long star wars fan and friend of mine was nuts about Phantom Menace, at least I thought he was. Then when Attack of the Clones came out, he finally admitted, "Phantom Menace wasn't that good, and Attack of the Clones is just as bad."
Title: Re: This movie was bad
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on February 01, 2007, 10:29:47 AM
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But prequels included, Star Wars still beats Star Trek for awesomeness

BLASPHEMER!!!!!!!  how dare you sully my captain sisko.
Title: Re: This movie was bad
Post by: Nunyerbiz on February 02, 2007, 07:22:57 AM
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But prequels included, Star Wars still beats Star Trek for awesomeness

BLASPHEMER!!!!!!!  how dare you sully my captain sisko.

The only REAL Starfleet captains wear wigs.
Title: Re: This movie was bad
Post by: chaseredbat on February 04, 2007, 03:49:59 PM

Seriously I have to agree with Mike Nelson on this. It contributes nothing important to the Star Wars mythology, and in many places it even hurts it. Why is the pod race so crucial to the star wars universe? Do we see it again, or is this just Lucas revisting chase scenes from Return of the Jedi?
Um... it was an action scene. It was eye candy. Why exactly does everything have to contribute to Star Wars Mythology? It is an action movie after all. I dont know about you, but I usually expect an action scene or two in an action movie.

For some reason Lucas had to go out of his way to explain how Jedis are one with the force cause of midichlorians. Thank you Lucas, at one point most people were perfectly fine with a spiritual connection, like how in martial art films the good guy has the edge cause their soul is pure, etc. but apparently that dream is dead. Lucas also had to go out of his way to explain the origins of both C3P0 and R2D2. With C3PO's origins more ludicrous. Exactly how small of a galaxy is this? Note to Lucas... change the opening text to In a small galaxy far far away.
Yes, you are absolutely right about C3P0. Because coincidences never ever happen in real life, and of course besides that Star Wars was a completely realistic film. The movie would have been much better if there had been no connections to the original trilogy!

Did anyone know that Queen Amadala was elected, and she is 14 years old? Naboo is a pretty stupid planet then.
Because every 14 year old is a moron, of course. BTW I'm sure any 14 year old would do much better running America than what we have right now. I'd say Naboo is pretty smart compared to us.

Good things pointed out by Kevin and Mike is that the force was meerly used as a conveneince to the story. Kevin singing part of the famous Madam Butterfly aria. The absurdity in giving R2D2 a medal for bravery, and the ridiculous constant costume changes Queen Amadama.
Whatever. It's a movie get over it. BTW were you expecting the force to not be in the movie or something? That would have been a pretty crappy Star Wars movie.

The music, I'm sorry but John Williams emphsizes stuff where music wasn't even needed. There is nothing grand, or operatic about fixing a jet engine, or Anakin showing his friends his room. Are those scenes where someone can think back and say "Oh John is using the Anakin can fix things motif"?
The point was that Qui Gon Jinn was realizing what a prodigy Anakin was that he could fix an engine by himself. Although I do have to agree on this one the music did swell up a bit too much a few times.

And as good as the special effects were, they were only good back in 1999, for some reason digital effects just look awful faster than the previous effects. So we can't even say that the implementation of special effects were monumental.
That criticism makes no sense at all. The special effects suddenly weren't good when this came out because they are dated now? Do you expect films that were made a while ago to just randomly get better special effects over time? So every movie made more than five years ago that has any special effects is suddenly a bad movie?

Besides Jar Jar who was really annoying, I like this movie. I never understand why it gets so much crap from people. And BTW, because I hear this all the time, saying this movie ruins the franchise is an incredibly stupid statement. So Empire Strikes Back is now a bad movie because you didn't like Phantom Menace? If it's bad it only ruins itself.
Title: Re: This movie was bad
Post by: Pak-Man on February 05, 2007, 12:06:08 AM

Seriously I have to agree with Mike Nelson on this. It contributes nothing important to the Star Wars mythology, and in many places it even hurts it. Why is the pod race so crucial to the star wars universe? Do we see it again, or is this just Lucas revisting chase scenes from Return of the Jedi?
Um... it was an action scene. It was eye candy. Why exactly does everything have to contribute to Star Wars Mythology? It is an action movie after all. I dont know about you, but I usually expect an action scene or two in an action movie.

For some reason Lucas had to go out of his way to explain how Jedis are one with the force cause of midichlorians. Thank you Lucas, at one point most people were perfectly fine with a spiritual connection, like how in martial art films the good guy has the edge cause their soul is pure, etc. but apparently that dream is dead. Lucas also had to go out of his way to explain the origins of both C3P0 and R2D2. With C3PO's origins more ludicrous. Exactly how small of a galaxy is this? Note to Lucas... change the opening text to In a small galaxy far far away.
Yes, you are absolutely right about C3P0. Because coincidences never ever happen in real life, and of course besides that Star Wars was a completely realistic film. The movie would have been much better if there had been no connections to the original trilogy!

Did anyone know that Queen Amadala was elected, and she is 14 years old? Naboo is a pretty stupid planet then.
Because every 14 year old is a moron, of course. BTW I'm sure any 14 year old would do much better running America than what we have right now. I'd say Naboo is pretty smart compared to us.

Good things pointed out by Kevin and Mike is that the force was meerly used as a conveneince to the story. Kevin singing part of the famous Madam Butterfly aria. The absurdity in giving R2D2 a medal for bravery, and the ridiculous constant costume changes Queen Amadama.
Whatever. It's a movie get over it. BTW were you expecting the force to not be in the movie or something? That would have been a pretty crappy Star Wars movie.

The music, I'm sorry but John Williams emphsizes stuff where music wasn't even needed. There is nothing grand, or operatic about fixing a jet engine, or Anakin showing his friends his room. Are those scenes where someone can think back and say "Oh John is using the Anakin can fix things motif"?
The point was that Qui Gon Jinn was realizing what a prodigy Anakin was that he could fix an engine by himself. Although I do have to agree on this one the music did swell up a bit too much a few times.

And as good as the special effects were, they were only good back in 1999, for some reason digital effects just look awful faster than the previous effects. So we can't even say that the implementation of special effects were monumental.
That criticism makes no sense at all. The special effects suddenly weren't good when this came out because they are dated now? Do you expect films that were made a while ago to just randomly get better special effects over time? So every movie made more than five years ago that has any special effects is suddenly a bad movie?

Besides Jar Jar who was really annoying, I like this movie. I never understand why it gets so much crap from people. And BTW, because I hear this all the time, saying this movie ruins the franchise is an incredibly stupid statement. So Empire Strikes Back is now a bad movie because you didn't like Phantom Menace? If it's bad it only ruins itself.
Wow. Your first post used to defend Episode 1. Bold man. You are not alone. I too enjoy Episode 1 (Or at least I don't think it's the worst thing ever commited to film). And I think WE are alone around here. :^) Welcome aboard!
Title: Re: This movie was bad
Post by: Minnesota on February 05, 2007, 11:10:52 AM
how right you are pak, not the "worst" ;)
worst things ever committed to film:
1. Crossroads
2. Episode 1
3. Red Dawn
Title: Re: This movie was bad
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on February 05, 2007, 12:11:52 PM
oh yeah its FAR from the worst, but it is easily the most disapointing.
Title: Re: This movie was bad
Post by: daltysmilth on February 05, 2007, 01:12:40 PM
Episode I is hardly my favorite movie ever, but I do enjoy watching it. 
Title: Re: This movie was bad
Post by: Goshzilla on February 07, 2007, 12:05:37 AM
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That criticism makes no sense at all. The special effects suddenly weren't good when this came out because they are dated now? Do you expect films that were made a while ago to just randomly get better special effects over time? So every movie made more than five years ago that has any special effects is suddenly a bad movie?

I expect a slow exponential decay of its asthetic qualities, I also expect that films made similarity afterwards would use it as a model.

Star Wars (1977) did just that because there were some physicalities in some of the effects, especially the very simple use of moving a camera through a model. It was state of the art for 1977 standards, and I dare say it was very good up until the early 90's when movies like Jurassic Park came out. A 20 year track record is very good.

Just as I would say the same thing about King Kong 1939 up until Star Wars. Everything used King Kong as a model, and it was King Kong(Harryhausen fans I am sorry to say that) that was the best at it for a very long time.

But Phantom Menace looks horrible, to say that the effects get old with time is an understatement, this has the same decay as an atom of californium. There isn't much to say about Phantom Menace in this department, because where Star Wars was indeed a new model for special effects, Phantom Menace was not for the cgi generation.
Title: Re: This movie was bad
Post by: Hobbit on February 09, 2007, 11:50:17 PM

Seriously I have to agree with Mike Nelson on this. It contributes nothing important to the Star Wars mythology, and in many places it even hurts it. Why is the pod race so crucial to the star wars universe? Do we see it again, or is this just Lucas revisting chase scenes from Return of the Jedi?
Um... it was an action scene. It was eye candy. Why exactly does everything have to contribute to Star Wars Mythology? It is an action movie after all. I dont know about you, but I usually expect an action scene or two in an action movie.

For some reason Lucas had to go out of his way to explain how Jedis are one with the force cause of midichlorians. Thank you Lucas, at one point most people were perfectly fine with a spiritual connection, like how in martial art films the good guy has the edge cause their soul is pure, etc. but apparently that dream is dead. Lucas also had to go out of his way to explain the origins of both C3P0 and R2D2. With C3PO's origins more ludicrous. Exactly how small of a galaxy is this? Note to Lucas... change the opening text to In a small galaxy far far away.
Yes, you are absolutely right about C3P0. Because coincidences never ever happen in real life, and of course besides that Star Wars was a completely realistic film. The movie would have been much better if there had been no connections to the original trilogy!

Did anyone know that Queen Amadala was elected, and she is 14 years old? Naboo is a pretty stupid planet then.
Because every 14 year old is a moron, of course. BTW I'm sure any 14 year old would do much better running America than what we have right now. I'd say Naboo is pretty smart compared to us.

Good things pointed out by Kevin and Mike is that the force was meerly used as a conveneince to the story. Kevin singing part of the famous Madam Butterfly aria. The absurdity in giving R2D2 a medal for bravery, and the ridiculous constant costume changes Queen Amadama.
Whatever. It's a movie get over it. BTW were you expecting the force to not be in the movie or something? That would have been a pretty crappy Star Wars movie.

The music, I'm sorry but John Williams emphsizes stuff where music wasn't even needed. There is nothing grand, or operatic about fixing a jet engine, or Anakin showing his friends his room. Are those scenes where someone can think back and say "Oh John is using the Anakin can fix things motif"?
The point was that Qui Gon Jinn was realizing what a prodigy Anakin was that he could fix an engine by himself. Although I do have to agree on this one the music did swell up a bit too much a few times.

And as good as the special effects were, they were only good back in 1999, for some reason digital effects just look awful faster than the previous effects. So we can't even say that the implementation of special effects were monumental.
That criticism makes no sense at all. The special effects suddenly weren't good when this came out because they are dated now? Do you expect films that were made a while ago to just randomly get better special effects over time? So every movie made more than five years ago that has any special effects is suddenly a bad movie?

Besides Jar Jar who was really annoying, I like this movie. I never understand why it gets so much crap from people. And BTW, because I hear this all the time, saying this movie ruins the franchise is an incredibly stupid statement. So Empire Strikes Back is now a bad movie because you didn't like Phantom Menace? If it's bad it only ruins itself.

^Is a 14-year-old dumass who, like me, will not realize how stupid he was at 14 until he hits about 21.  Also needs to ask God for a sense of humor as sort of a package deal with puberty.

As far as the rest of the thread, yeah, Episode 1 was one of the biggest dissappointments of all time.  While the original Star Wars trilogy was gritty and epic, the new one is cartoony, with detestable characters and HUGE leaps in logic.  The defining characteristic of the differences, though, is plain and simple.

(http://www.swg1.net/encyclo/images/han31.jpg)
^In the original Star Wars trilogy, a smoothe-talking, wise-cracking, cynical, BA guy practically steals the show and definitely gets the girl.

(http://lancemannion.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/sith_anakin_vader.jpg)
^In the prequal trilogy, a whiney wannabe with no self-control hogs the screen from Ewan McGregor, yet still gets to bang Natalie Portman.

As for Luke and Leia being siblings, that was decided before they even started filming "A New Hope."  Criticize if you want, but Star Wars was originally one script, and most of the plot twists were decided long before filming started.  One of his biggest mistakes, however, (IMO, anyway) was replacing the Wookie population of Endor with Ewoks.
Title: Re: This movie was bad
Post by: Aaron Haynes on February 16, 2007, 06:12:39 AM
Mostly agreed, but I think Han Solo becomes almost caricature of himself in Jedi, whereas Anakin is almost bearable through a sizable chunk of Sith (provided Natalie Portman is not in the same room and either of them are speaking to each other).
Title: Re: This movie was bad
Post by: pyro on February 16, 2007, 06:51:29 AM
Because every 14 year old is a moron, of course. BTW I'm sure any 14 year old would do much better running America than what we have right now. I'd say Naboo is pretty smart compared to us.

Life Exprience?  Puberty?  I'm assuming the people from Naboo do have puberty considering Anakin can't grow a beard


Also I may not like Bush, but looking back at my politics when I was 14 I wouldn't want myself at that age running the country either.
Title: Re: This movie was bad
Post by: BEERxTaco on February 16, 2007, 07:09:06 AM
You Star Wars people really take this stuff seriously!  8)

"Repeat to yourself, it's just a show, I should really just relax"
Title: Re: This movie was bad
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on February 16, 2007, 08:56:01 AM
I would LOVE to be in charge when i was 14, now that i am 25 i would be set for life.  lol
Title: Re: This movie was bad
Post by: BEERxTaco on February 16, 2007, 09:02:42 AM
I say this without any mean-spiritedness intended whatsoever, I swear...

Think about how much smarter you feel now at 25 that you did when you were 14. That feeling will intensify by a factor of 4* by the time you turn 40 and think back to when you were 25.

Mark my words  8)


*random statistic thrown out to make me sound believable
Title: Re: This movie was bad
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on February 16, 2007, 09:07:47 AM
oh im not denying i was an idiot in my youth, i still think im an idiot NOW, but once youve been president your hooked up for life.  It may not be living as a millionare but the gov. isnt going to let a president starve to death lol.  Im not even saying i would do a good job as president ;)
Title: Re: This movie was bad
Post by: Fuzzy Necromancer on February 16, 2007, 06:02:57 PM
I could take C3P0 and R2D2's origins in stride, where it not for the fact that in Ep 3, they end saying that "the droids are going to have their memories erased" which seems an irritating retcon. I mean, why bother introducing them if you're just going to nullify the events of the story?

I'd like to point out the phallacy of the opening fight scene. If he knew the jedi were dead, why send in droids? If he didn't, then why not check to see? Either way, the film didn't explain how the heroes survived.

The core is another plothole. What core? They didn't go through the core, they just went through a large tunnel with aquatic things.


When I first saw this movie, I didn't see why people were so upset, nor did I find Jar Jar annoying, although I also didn't find him terribly amusing. He was just there, like a light bulb or grass.
Now, however, I am older, wiser, and have lost some of my bad movie tolerance that came with youthful indifference. I understand the logical phallacies that hurt this movie, and the general elements that make it awful.
Title: Re: This movie was bad
Post by: daltysmilth on February 19, 2007, 12:16:18 PM
I could take C3P0 and R2D2's origins in stride, where it not for the fact that in Ep 3, they end saying that "the droids are going to have their memories erased" which seems an irritating retcon. I mean, why bother introducing them if you're just going to nullify the events of the story?

I'd like to point out the phallacy of the opening fight scene. If he knew the jedi were dead, why send in droids? If he didn't, then why not check to see? Either way, the film didn't explain how the heroes survived.

The core is another plothole. What core? They didn't go through the core, they just went through a large tunnel with aquatic things.


When I first saw this movie, I didn't see why people were so upset, nor did I find Jar Jar annoying, although I also didn't find him terribly amusing. He was just there, like a light bulb or grass.
Now, however, I am older, wiser, and have lost some of my bad movie tolerance that came with youthful indifference. I understand the logical phallacies that hurt this movie, and the general elements that make it awful.

First off, when you think about it, Threepio is probably the only one who needed to get his memory erased.  Artoo probably wouldn't have trouble keeping his role in galactic history a secret.

Sending in the armed droids at the beginning of the first movie is probably actually one of the smarter moves the Trade Federation guys made in the movie.  I've seen enough movies to know that you never assume that your enemy is defeated until you see his cold, lifeless, decapitated corpse.  And even then, you should probably fire a couple of rounds into his body, and have it thrown into an incinerator just in case.

Also, maybe the core of Naboo is filled with water.  Ever think of that?  Okay, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense, but it's George Lucas's universe, and if he wants a planet with a core that's made of water, then he can have it.  Alternatively, it could be that "the Core" is just the gungans' name for the system of underwater tunnels that connect the different parts of the planet with each other.  And they didn't bother to explain it because it wasn't really relevant to the rest of the movie. 

And also, for your information, it's spelled fallacy.  Phallacy sounds like a word for faulty logic regarding male genitalia or something.
Title: Re: This movie was bad
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on February 19, 2007, 12:43:52 PM
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And also, for your information, it's spelled fallacy.  Phallacy sounds like a word for faulty logic regarding male genitalia or something.

oh no i definately beleive there is some phallacy involved with men running around with long light swords that can thrust their way through any material they want ;)
Title: Re: This movie was bad
Post by: Goshzilla on February 20, 2007, 11:27:39 PM
oh no i definately beleive there is some phallacy involved with men running around with long light swords that can thrust their way through any material they want ;)

Yes and considering that the only black jedi also was the only one with a purple light saber(with ribs no less on the design) clearly has nothing to do with phallic symbols.
Title: Re: This movie was bad
Post by: Nunyerbiz on February 21, 2007, 06:32:05 AM
oh no i definately beleive there is some phallacy involved with men running around with long light swords that can thrust their way through any material they want ;)

Yes and considering that the only black jedi also was the only one with a purple light saber(with ribs no less on the design) clearly has nothing to do with phallic symbols.

To summarize: Star Wars makes you guys think of cock.
Title: Re: This movie was bad
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on February 21, 2007, 06:54:35 PM
well yeah, you cant say we are the only ones, you just dont want to admit it. 
Title: Re: This movie was bad
Post by: Nunyerbiz on February 21, 2007, 07:18:49 PM
I was just yanking your chain. I know it was a little bit below the belt, but I wasn't trying to be a prick. It was just some good natured ribbing for your pleasure.

Who doesn't occasionally drift off into blissful ruminations about Sam Jackson's majestic purple shaft? Guilty as charged!

Title: Re: This movie was bad
Post by: Goshzilla on February 21, 2007, 11:55:54 PM
Other than saying "Party's over," an often overlooked line Mace Windu likes to spout out at gatherings is "Have you seen my massive purple light saber?"
Title: Re: This movie was bad
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on February 22, 2007, 09:07:14 AM
did any one else get the feeling that mr jackson REALLY wanted to add mother f@cker after most of his lines in these movies?
Title: Re: This movie was bad
Post by: Hobbit on February 23, 2007, 08:11:01 PM
did any one else get the feeling that mr jackson REALLY wanted to add mother f@cker after most of his lines in these movies?

This scene had to be cut from "Attack of the Clones" to keep the PG rating:

Mace:  Hey kid, hand me my lightsaber.
Anakin:  Which one is it?
Mace:  It's the one that says "Bad Motherf***er" on it
Title: Re: This movie was bad
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on February 24, 2007, 07:49:57 AM
the scene didnt run quite like that it went this way



Mace:  Hey kid, hand me my lightsaber.
Anakin:  Which one is it?
Mace:  It's the one that says "Bad Muth-"
Yoda: Mouth you shut.
Title: Re: This movie was bad
Post by: DeadlyCinema on March 02, 2007, 04:06:08 PM
"Mace:  Hey kid, hand me my lightsaber.
Anakin:  Which one is it?
Mace:  It's the one that says "Bad Muth-"
Yoda: Mouth you shut."


I'm just talkin' about Mace! Can you dig it?

Matthew
myspace.com/deadlycinema
Title: Re: This movie was bad
Post by: Goshzilla on March 19, 2007, 08:54:40 PM
Mace Windu in Revenge of the Sith
*Mace questioning Anakin
Mace:"You work for darth sidius right? What does he look like. Say what one more time mother f@cker I dare you."

Of course the classic scene in Revenge of the Sith had to be cut out

Anakin: Oh come on Jar Jar, do you think a god came down from heaven an- *BAM*
Mace: Ooooo what the f@ck was that?
Anakin: aw man I shot Jar Jar in the face.
Mace: Why the f@ck did you do that?
Title: Re: This movie was bad
Post by: Nunyerbiz on March 19, 2007, 09:24:00 PM
Ok... Jar Jar is annoying and all... but I draw the line at sticking him in other movies just to kill him.
Title: Re: This movie was bad
Post by: MSTJedi on March 24, 2007, 01:30:04 PM
Works for me . . . anything to erase the memory of his antics from my mind.
Title: Re: This movie was bad
Post by: RobtheBarbarian on March 25, 2007, 05:27:42 AM
As I watch the very first Star Wars on HBO, it occurs to me that the only thing keeping Lucas from being as stupid and childish as he was in this movie in the first three was his lack of budget. Looking back, you can tell that he so wants to have pod races and armies of comedic droids.
Title: Re: This movie was bad
Post by: MSTJedi on March 25, 2007, 05:57:45 AM
I can see where you're going with that. WYou can see it already starting to happen in return of the Jedi with the Ewoks (woulda been so much cooler with the Wookiees). I mean, come on . . . little teddy bear creatures taking out a group of (supposedly) highly-trained troops with sticks and stones? I understand the point behind it, but disbelief can be suspended only so far.

A similar thing happened to Hitchcock (in my opinion, anyway). He was great when he was forced to play things with subtlety and intrigue, but when the "rules" were relaxed in the 70s, he came out with Frenzy in which he tossed subtlety out the window and threw the caziness and perversion right out there in your face. I'll take Rebecca or North by Northwest over that schlock any day.
Title: Re: This movie was bad
Post by: Nunyerbiz on March 27, 2007, 03:08:33 PM
As I watch the very first Star Wars on HBO, it occurs to me that the only thing keeping Lucas from being as stupid and childish as he was in this movie in the first three was his lack of budget. Looking back, you can tell that he so wants to have pod races and armies of comedic droids.

Ohh... I dunno. I think Lucas just waited too long, lost his touch. He became a super-gazllionaire with little to no restraint and nothing but time to convince himself that all his wacky ideas were golden. Once he became obsessed with digital filmaking and CGI and whatnot... he indulged in all the superfluous areas. The prequels, while maybe a bit overwrought, had visually stunning environments and effects but suffered from stilted scripts. The script wasn't really what he seemed to care about.

Granted, this could mean that the original trilogy succeeded in spite of Lucas and not because of him... but I don't think that's the case. The guy just got obsessed with the wrong aspect of the process. It seems like in all his "prequel" interviews he blathers on and on about the digital film and the technology and this and that. I think he was much more interested in the story the first time around. Even if things come off the rails a bit in Jedi, I think the originals hold up rather well. I never sensed him reaching for lame comic relief or large stretches of movie where even the lone FX sequence is dull (unlike say, Episode 1).


Title: Re: This movie was bad
Post by: Hobbit on March 29, 2007, 07:15:07 AM
I can see where you're going with that. WYou can see it already starting to happen in return of the Jedi with the Ewoks (woulda been so much cooler with the Wookiees). I mean, come on . . . little teddy bear creatures taking out a group of (supposedly) highly-trained troops with sticks and stones? I understand the point behind it, but disbelief can be suspended only so far.

A similar thing happened to Hitchcock (in my opinion, anyway). He was great when he was forced to play things with subtlety and intrigue, but when the "rules" were relaxed in the 70s, he came out with Frenzy in which he tossed subtlety out the window and threw the caziness and perversion right out there in your face. I'll take Rebecca or North by Northwest over that schlock any day.

Yeah, I remember seeing the interviews with Leanord Maltin in the last release of the original trilogy on VHS, he said Endor was originally supposed to be wookies, and I thought "Dude, that would have been SO much better!"  The reason he didn't is because he didn't think wookies would hold up very well as an isolated, primitive tribe when Chewbacca could fly spaceships.
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Post by: MSTJedi on March 29, 2007, 06:40:16 PM
They did pretty good with it in the books and games that have come out since the 90s. Basically, they're a mostly primitive people who live in giant trees, but are good with their hands, so they tend to like technology as much as tradition. Kinda like they were in Revenge of the Sith. Bleh.
Title: Re: This movie was bad
Post by: chaseredbat on July 03, 2007, 05:03:07 PM

^Is a 14-year-old dumass who, like me, will not realize how stupid he was at 14 until he hits about 21.  Also needs to ask God for a sense of humor as sort of a package deal with puberty.

first of all im 17 and just because i disagree with your opinion doesnt mean i dont have a sense of humor. i agree that episode 1 was dissapointing but it was still an enjoyable movie in my opinion. theres no need to call me a dumass (i think you meant dumbass) because i have a different opinion.
Title: Re: This movie was bad
Post by: Raven on July 30, 2007, 08:49:35 PM
On a personal note.  I myself did not realize how bad this movie was until I tried to put together my DVD cover for it.  It took me 5 tries to force myself to look for screencaps.  And I was just fast forwarding the movie, not watching it. 

Title: Re: This movie was bad
Post by: Sharktopus on July 31, 2007, 01:02:41 AM
Over 8 months later and the title of this thread still makes me laugh. "This movie was bad."  :D
Title: Re: This movie was bad
Post by: Hebs on July 31, 2007, 08:13:58 AM
Over 8 months later and the title of this thread still makes me laugh. "This movie was bad."  :D

Haha, I know, I thought the same thing - but you have to admire someone who gets to the point :)
Title: Re: This movie was bad
Post by: Raven on July 31, 2007, 03:11:11 PM
It does seem to ring true more for this movie than any ot the other ones so far.
 
Title: Re: This movie was bad
Post by: MSTJedi on August 01, 2007, 07:41:58 PM
I can see where you're going with that. WYou can see it already starting to happen in return of the Jedi with the Ewoks (woulda been so much cooler with the Wookiees). I mean, come on . . . little teddy bear creatures taking out a group of (supposedly) highly-trained troops with sticks and stones? I understand the point behind it, but disbelief can be suspended only so far.

A similar thing happened to Hitchcock (in my opinion, anyway). He was great when he was forced to play things with subtlety and intrigue, but when the "rules" were relaxed in the 70s, he came out with Frenzy in which he tossed subtlety out the window and threw the caziness and perversion right out there in your face. I'll take Rebecca or North by Northwest over that schlock any day.

Yeah, I remember seeing the interviews with Leanord Maltin in the last release of the original trilogy on VHS, he said Endor was originally supposed to be wookies, and I thought "Dude, that would have been SO much better!"  The reason he didn't is because he didn't think wookies would hold up very well as an isolated, primitive tribe when Chewbacca could fly spaceships.

Another thing that he went back on in the prequels aside from the Wookiees was the style of lightsaber fighting. In one show I saw, Mark Hamill said that during the original trilogy, he tried to work some more flair into the lightsaber duels, but Lucas said that the lightsabers were supposed to be too heavy for that. Then TPM rolls around and Ewan and Liam are twirling their lightsabers all over the place.
Title: Re: This movie was bad
Post by: chaseredbat on September 26, 2007, 08:24:24 PM
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That criticism makes no sense at all. The special effects suddenly weren't good when this came out because they are dated now? Do you expect films that were made a while ago to just randomly get better special effects over time? So every movie made more than five years ago that has any special effects is suddenly a bad movie?

I expect a slow exponential decay of its asthetic qualities, I also expect that films made similarity afterwards would use it as a model.

Star Wars (1977) did just that because there were some physicalities in some of the effects, especially the very simple use of moving a camera through a model. It was state of the art for 1977 standards, and I dare say it was very good up until the early 90's when movies like Jurassic Park came out. A 20 year track record is very good.

Just as I would say the same thing about King Kong 1939 up until Star Wars. Everything used King Kong as a model, and it was King Kong(Harryhausen fans I am sorry to say that) that was the best at it for a very long time.

But Phantom Menace looks horrible, to say that the effects get old with time is an understatement, this has the same decay as an atom of californium. There isn't much to say about Phantom Menace in this department, because where Star Wars was indeed a new model for special effects, Phantom Menace was not for the cgi generation.


so your pretty much saying that any action movie that doesn't revolutionize special effects is a bad movie. so are king kong star wars a new hope and jurassic park the only action movies you have every liked? how depressing.
Title: Re: This movie was bad
Post by: LadyKenobi on September 26, 2007, 11:06:18 PM

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first of all im 17 and just because i disagree with your opinion doesnt mean i dont have a sense of humor. i agree that episode 1 was dissapointing but it was still an enjoyable movie in my opinion. theres no need to call me a dumass (i think you meant dumbass) because i have a different opinion.

Nothing personal, and I'm not saying I never make mechanical or grammatical errors, but you're kind of undercutting yourself when you post something written like this and then pronounce yourself a non-dumbass who is one year away from college age.  Shift key, and punctuation, and all.  You're just giving those who disagree with you ammo.

As to the MC's, they never really bothered me until I read the script of that scene between Qui-Gon and Annie The Boy.  Somebody needs to send Lucas to dictionary.com and tell him to look up "symbiotic."  I'm no biology major, but If life couldn't exist without the MC's, well-- then they really don't need our cells, then do they? 

DO NOT WANT.
Title: Re: This movie was bad
Post by: RoninFox on September 27, 2007, 05:30:38 AM
I can see where you're going with that. WYou can see it already starting to happen in return of the Jedi with the Ewoks (woulda been so much cooler with the Wookiees). I mean, come on . . . little teddy bear creatures taking out a group of (supposedly) highly-trained troops with sticks and stones? I understand the point behind it, but disbelief can be suspended only so far.

A similar thing happened to Hitchcock (in my opinion, anyway). He was great when he was forced to play things with subtlety and intrigue, but when the "rules" were relaxed in the 70s, he came out with Frenzy in which he tossed subtlety out the window and threw the caziness and perversion right out there in your face. I'll take Rebecca or North by Northwest over that schlock any day.

Yeah, I remember seeing the interviews with Leanord Maltin in the last release of the original trilogy on VHS, he said Endor was originally supposed to be wookies, and I thought "Dude, that would have been SO much better!"  The reason he didn't is because he didn't think wookies would hold up very well as an isolated, primitive tribe when Chewbacca could fly spaceships.

If he'd just devoted a little screen time to the backstory of the Wookies being enslaved and Chewbacca being rescued by Han it could have worked.  Show the Wookies as having a simple background, but proving amazingly adaptable.
Title: Re: This movie was bad
Post by: prestonp on January 18, 2008, 07:03:30 PM
It was a horrible idea to have Anakin build C3P0. For one, where does a boy slave get the and expertise necessary to do this. Secondly, what are the odds that said droid will keep crossing paths with said creator but the creator does not even seem to acknowledge this?

It causes suspense of disbelief and continuity issues; not to mention it was completely unnecessary.
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Post by: RoninFox on January 18, 2008, 11:14:28 PM
It was a horrible idea to have Anakin build C3P0. For one, where does a boy slave get the and expertise necessary to do this. Secondly, what are the odds that said droid will keep crossing paths with said creator but the creator does not even seem to acknowledge this?

It causes suspense of disbelief and continuity issues; not to mention it was completely unnecessary.

The crossing of paths is something that's bothered me more and more since, especially after seeing Empire Strikes Back again for 3PO being right there in front of Darth when they're freezing Han.  I guess it's possible to just say one protocol droid is so much like any other he didn't notice, or that he simply didn't care anymore. 

It also makes me roll my eyes every time I hear 3PO say "Thank the maker" in New Hope, knowing now that he's thanking the villain. 

The whole part with Anakin knowing how to put together a droid didn't bother me, since he was owned by a dealer in mechanical junk and stuff.  For the Star Wars Universe I guess it'd be on par with a young kid learning how to work on cars (though the age of the kid still seems odd) the part that I find unreasonable is that a slave would have access to all those parts.  Did Watto give them to him?  Did he steal them and the damn pig-elephant-fly didn't notice?
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Post by: daltysmilth on January 20, 2008, 07:39:08 PM
The thing that I think is hardest to explain is how an eight-year-old, with no apparent computer programming ability has somehow programmed an A.I. with as much sophistication as a protocol droid who is fluent in over six million forms of communication would have to have.  Of course, it is possible, I suppose, that he found a pre-programmed droid "brain", perhaps one that was discarded from a factory because it was malfunctioning, and got a friend who knows about computer programming to help him fix whatever malfunction there was.  Or maybe he found the brain of a protocol droid that Jabba the Hutt got angry with and had "disintegrated".
Title: Re: This movie was bad
Post by: RoninFox on January 21, 2008, 03:39:47 PM
Well, 3PO only claimed knowledge of 6 million forms etc etc in the original trilogy.  Perhaps that kind of thing was programed in later after his memory wipe.

That doesn't explain how his head instantly could control a battle droid while retaining his personality, but still attacking...I mean that'd work as a Futurama gag, but in Star Wars it just came off dumb.
Title: Re: This movie was bad
Post by: Fortis on April 30, 2008, 05:34:58 PM
I re-edited this movie and episode II and put it up on youtube and tons of people liked it. I'm not touting my editing capabilities but the movies were really infinitely better with a little tweaking. I wish I could post it here but youtube removed all of it and won't let me reload them anymore. Hmm...maybe google video. If enough people want to see them, I will take the time to post these on google video and embed them here.

Make your choice!
Title: Re: This movie was bad
Post by: Fortis on April 30, 2008, 06:33:42 PM
I re-edited this movie and episode II and put it up on youtube and tons of people liked it. I'm not touting my editing capabilities but the movies were really infinitely better with a little tweaking. I wish I could post it here but youtube removed all of it and won't let me reload them anymore. Hmm...maybe google video. If enough people want to see them, I will take the time to post these on google video and embed them here.

Make your choice!

You're the Phantom Editor!?

No, I'm his apprentice...doh!
Title: Re: This movie was bad
Post by: Invisible NanoGhost on November 27, 2010, 03:43:07 PM
I watched this along with the rifftrax as part of a thanksgiving tradition (of sorts), and noticed another stupid thing in the script.

When Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan go to leave the ruler of the underground city, Jar-Jar says something stupid (which isn't surprising).  Qui-Gon turns to Obi-Wan and says "We need a navigator to get us through the planet's core.  This gungan may be of help!"

Later, when they're in the submarine and moving through the ocean, Obi-Wan is piloting the ship.  Jar-Jar is babbling on saying more stupid things (which is the whole point of his existence), and at one point Jar-Jar says "Where's we a-going?".  Qui-Gon answers "Don't worry, the force will guide us."

This combination is so deranged that it's hard to even make a good joke about it.  Is Qui-Gon simply lying to Obi-Wan, and later on Obi-Wan is too stupid to notice that he himself is the one driving the submarine?
Title: Re: This movie was bad
Post by: daltysmilth on November 27, 2010, 09:16:19 PM
I think Obi-Wan realizes Qui-Gon is full of shite, but he also knows his master well enough to know that once his mind is made up, there's no point arguing with him.  Plus even though it's not stated in the film, the original script and the novelization make it clear that Jar-Jar is going to be put to death if Qui-Gon doesn't intervene.