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Title: Legend of the Seeker
Post by: bratpop on November 02, 2008, 09:51:17 AM
Did anyone watch this? I know, it's probably like the Clone Wars and nobody even knew it was on. Well, it's syndicated so it's on Saturday on CW and WGN and who knows what. Check your local listings (local listings will become digital on February 29th, 2009).

Erm, so spoilers I guess.

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Title: Re: Legend of the Seeker
Post by: mrbasehart on November 09, 2008, 06:26:52 PM
I've seen the pilot and the most recent episode.  I'll certainly agree with you that the "origin" story is very derivative, but I still thought it was kinda decent.  The one after is a little better, mostly because it doesn't get lumbered with a whole bunch of exposition.  I'll be sticking with it for the near future. 
Title: Re: Legend of the Seeker
Post by: anais.jude on November 09, 2008, 06:47:16 PM
i want to watch this just because I read all of the Sword of Truth books (which Terry Goodkind shat upon with the last one), so I might watch this....
Title: Re: Legend of the Seeker
Post by: BBQ Platypus on November 09, 2008, 10:07:31 PM
Hmm...

http://www.youtube.com/v/CR-ZAnil_Mw&hl=en&fs=1
Title: Re: Legend of the Seeker
Post by: anais.jude on November 10, 2008, 02:48:46 PM
Hmm...

http://www.youtube.com/v/CR-ZAnil_Mw&hl=en&fs=1


I love you, Roger Daltry
Title: Re: Legend of the Seeker
Post by: mrbasehart on November 30, 2008, 05:28:15 PM
Anyone else still watching this? I caught up on a couple of episodes today, and I find myself liking it more and more. My only complaint is that thought they've got the episodic thing down pretty well, the overall arc hasn't been established as well as I'd like.  Everything that was set up in the pilot is still there, and really hasn't been developed at all. 
Title: Re: Legend of the Seeker
Post by: bratpop on November 30, 2008, 05:39:23 PM
It's good. It's probably nothing like the books, unless the books have them going on a new wacky adventure every 12 pages. Who's this Darth Maul guy they keep talking about?
Title: Re: Legend of the Seeker
Post by: mrbasehart on November 30, 2008, 05:41:14 PM
He appeared in the pilot, but I think that's it.  He's basically the "big bad".
Title: Re: Legend of the Seeker
Post by: anais.jude on November 30, 2008, 06:07:06 PM
That he is (Darken Rahl is his name actually) and he doesn't actually appear untill a thrid of the way into the book.

Also, there is a part in the book where
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I am curious to see how they would film that
Title: Re: Legend of the Seeker
Post by: bratpop on November 30, 2008, 07:29:36 PM
Sith??? AAAAAGH!
Title: Re: Legend of the Seeker
Post by: anais.jude on November 30, 2008, 07:41:34 PM
Sith??? AAAAAGH!

That's the part  you chose to focus on?
Title: Re: Legend of the Seeker
Post by: OmegaR! on November 30, 2008, 11:21:47 PM
Well, you know the Wizard's First Rule

:D
Title: Re: Legend of the Seeker
Post by: anais.jude on December 01, 2008, 05:29:36 AM
Well, you know the Wizard's First Rule

:D

 :clap:
Title: Re: Legend of the Seeker
Post by: Chaos on December 01, 2008, 07:47:18 PM
We just watched the pilot this evening, and I literally lost count in the first 10 minutes of how many ways they diverged from (and fucked up) the story from the books. I just could not believe what a terrible job they did adapting it. I wish I could have seen the size of the truck they drove up to Goodkind's house to get him to sign off on this... it must have been heavily laden with cash. :P

Extremely disappointing.
Title: Re: Legend of the Seeker
Post by: anais.jude on December 01, 2008, 07:51:41 PM
the last book of the series is very disappointing to. So we have come full circle
Title: Re: Legend of the Seeker
Post by: mrbasehart on December 01, 2008, 08:01:37 PM
We just watched the pilot this evening, and I literally lost count in the first 10 minutes of how many ways they diverged from (and fucked up) the story from the books. I just could not believe what a terrible job they did adapting it. I wish I could have seen the size of the truck they drove up to Goodkind's house to get him to sign off on this... it must have been heavily laden with cash. :P

Extremely disappointing.

As I've said, the pilot is the weakest "episode" of the series so far.  It really does develop quite nicely. 
Title: Re: Legend of the Seeker
Post by: Chaos on December 01, 2008, 09:25:20 PM
I honestly don't see how they can recover from how far off track they got. We're going to watch a few more episodes, but my enthusiasm for this is really shot.

And anais, we came full circle a lot sooner than that. Everything past the second book was absolute crap (except, of course, for Faith of the Fallen, which I would even say is slightly better than the first book).

It just doesn't make sense to diverge so far from the original story. The original story (ESPECIALLY the first book) was fantastic. It was all put together beautifully. Why change that? And so BADLY? It's very disappointing.
Title: Re: Legend of the Seeker
Post by: anais.jude on December 01, 2008, 09:35:39 PM
Chaos, I thought everything from Faith of the Fallen up until the second half of the last book was awesome and def worth the read. (the looooooooooong read that is was)
Title: Re: Legend of the Seeker
Post by: Chaos on December 01, 2008, 09:42:40 PM
I just don't know how to respond to that. I fail to share your opinion on the quality of the later books. :)
Title: Re: Legend of the Seeker
Post by: anais.jude on December 01, 2008, 10:18:37 PM
I was expecting you to scream about how wrong I am!  :P
Title: Re: Legend of the Seeker
Post by: Chaos on December 02, 2008, 06:16:41 AM
Hey, I'm not Isaac. :P

I respect your opinion, I just completely do not share it. ;)
Title: Re: Legend of the Seeker
Post by: mrbasehart on December 02, 2008, 06:18:18 AM
I've been watching the pilot episode in 10-minute increments while I eat lunch. About halfway through now.

I find the tone somewhat...difficult to handle. They want it to be very very serious, but it's full of extreme cheese-factor moments like the fire-circle sword-getting-struck-by-lightning bit.  And the guy playing the chainmailed villain is AWFUL.  He looks like a 90's baseball player with his little goatee, and he has the acting talent of a small waterfowl.

I hope he's not a recurring character?

I thought he was pretty bad too.  No, he's not a recurring character.
Title: Re: Legend of the Seeker
Post by: Chaos on December 02, 2008, 06:28:18 AM
I think it diminishes the power of the story to have George Cypher killed by random-soldier-who-was-supposed-to-be-dead-already, instead of who killed him in the books. And why is Darken Rahl a nancy-boy ponce? And where are his SCARS? It was nice that they showed him smoothing his lip like he did in the books, but without the scars there is no reason for him to be doing that, so it's a little out of place. Just another example of random things that were changed for no apparent reason (and with a negative impact on the value of the story).
Title: Re: Legend of the Seeker
Post by: anais.jude on December 03, 2008, 03:25:32 PM
I am watching episode 1 one right now. They clearly picked the actor to play Richard based on his pecs. For once, it's not working with me
Title: Re: Legend of the Seeker
Post by: bratpop on December 03, 2008, 04:05:49 PM
His brother hasn't been seen since. In fact, the villain has barely been seen.
Title: Re: Legend of the Seeker
Post by: anais.jude on December 03, 2008, 07:14:54 PM
the wannabe 300 style fighting was pretty annoying
Title: Re: Legend of the Seeker
Post by: saltwrench on December 03, 2008, 07:26:25 PM
Personally I really liked the first four books, and kept reading just to find out what happens...but have been disappointed (Faith of the Fallen being an exception).

However, I alway knew that this story was destined to be relegated to sub-par TV series.
Title: Re: Legend of the Seeker
Post by: anais.jude on December 03, 2008, 07:29:35 PM
you didn't like any of the ones after Faith of the Fallen? (First four, so you liked, what is it, whatever number 4 is. That was my least fave)
Title: Re: Legend of the Seeker
Post by: saltwrench on December 03, 2008, 07:34:52 PM
Dissappointed, didn't dislike...there's a whole lot of potential, but becoming the reincarnation of Ayn Rand doesn't always tell a story to its fullest extent.
Title: Re: Legend of the Seeker
Post by: Chaos on December 03, 2008, 07:40:04 PM
anais, #4 was Temple of the Winds. Parts of that one were good, but a lot of it was very very bad. The one after that (Soul of the Fire) was just absolute shit from start to finish, and other than Faith of the Fallen (which was an unexpected masterpiece), the series never recovered.

Faith of the Fallen was probably the best book (that I've read) that's been written in the last 10 years, though the two Sarantium books by Guy Gavriel Kay are not far behind.
Title: Re: Legend of the Seeker
Post by: bratpop on December 03, 2008, 11:57:25 PM
I will say this series definately doesn't make me want to read the books. The Dresden Files did, but I couldn't find them.
Title: Re: Legend of the Seeker
Post by: Chaos on December 04, 2008, 05:08:24 AM
I know the series really is doing a bad job of telling the story, but I would suggest you at least read the first one (get it from the library if you don't want to invest the cash in buying it). It really is a fantastic story. Basically, every single thing about the series that sucks, seems to be something they changed from how the book had it, and the change made it MORE formulaic and predictable.

The first couple of books really are worth reading.
Title: Re: Legend of the Seeker
Post by: anais.jude on December 04, 2008, 05:26:23 AM
The first book is a good stand alone book and I would reccomend it.


and Soul of the Fire is def the worst of the series. I liked the Pillars of Creation though. The author wrote the entire novel from the POVs of several different characters. It pissed me off at first, but he actually pulled it off.


I am not saying Goodkind is brilliant (i can totally see the connection to Ann Rynd though. Goodkind is a preachy bastard) but the books were entertaining fluff
Title: Re: Legend of the Seeker
Post by: Tripe on December 04, 2008, 06:05:33 AM
"Fuck y'all, I'm amazing"
Title: Re: Legend of the Seeker
Post by: anais.jude on December 04, 2008, 06:08:18 AM
I would say it's more like

"I have a philosophy on life that takes cajiggers of pages to get the point of, ergo I is smart"
Title: Re: Legend of the Seeker
Post by: Tripe on December 04, 2008, 06:09:19 AM
Really? And people continue to read her?

Well yes because they see themselves as being amazing too.

Rand really appeals to people who are still intellectually 12 years old.
I would say it's more like

"I have a philosophy on life that takes cajiggers of pages to get the point of, ergo I is smart"
But that philosophy boils down to

"Fuck y'all, I'm amazing"

Title: Re: Legend of the Seeker
Post by: saltwrench on December 04, 2008, 08:44:23 AM
I would say it's more like

"I have a philosophy on life that takes cajiggers of pages to get the point of, ergo I is smart"

I wouldn't say that it just takes cajiggers of pages, but cajiggers of pages at least a dozen times over restating the point...hence why I had such difficulty reading Atlas Shrugged...I counted it up and in the last 500 pages, a full 180 pages of it is just the same thing said over....and over...and over again.

It was possibly the most insulted I'd ever felt as a reader, as if I had forgotten it since ten pages ago!  I felt like Dr. Suess has more respect for his readers.
Title: Re: Legend of the Seeker
Post by: bratpop on December 04, 2008, 09:47:47 PM
Her name is Ayn. Do you really need to know anything else? Her name is fucking Ayn.
Title: Re: Legend of the Seeker
Post by: bratpop on December 04, 2008, 10:20:57 PM
It's pronounced, "Wait, why do you want to say her name in the first place?"
Title: Re: Legend of the Seeker
Post by: Chaos on December 05, 2008, 05:53:54 AM
It's pronounced like "pine" without the P.

"ine"

... well, we've watched through episode 4 now, and it still fucking sucks. Why couldn't they just adapt the books as they were to TV? Why did they have to chop it up, butcher all the good parts, and give us Sword of Truth Hotdogs instead of the Sword of Truth? Idiots...