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Title: Time, howling, withering! - Dark Shadows
Post by: Tripe on August 04, 2008, 12:07:37 PM
(http://www.instantsmileys.com/smileys/vampire-smiley-30.gif)So since it's supposeidly comming to a movie theatre near you relatively soon and it still has a bunch of fans I thought it might be worth starting a thread devoted to all things Dark and Shadow  (http://www.instantsmileys.com/smileys/vampire-smiley-30.gif)

So who likes Dark Shadows out there?


Couldn't find a good vampire emoticon  ::)
Title: Re: Time, howling, withering! - Dark Shadows
Post by: Keroppi20 on August 04, 2008, 12:18:43 PM
I can't wait to see what Burton does with Collinwood!  Do you think he would cast Helena Bonham Carter too... as Elizabeth Collins perhaps?


("Loathesome I am, and evil.  You can mock me for that.  But leave my pain alone!"  -Barnabas Collins)
Title: Re: Time, howling, withering! - Dark Shadows
Post by: Tripe on August 04, 2008, 12:32:36 PM
I think he could do a pretty interesting job, but i wonder if Helena's a little too young for Elizabeth, but then she's a little to old and dark for Vicki.

Seeing as it's Burton thought I'm sure she'll be in it.

(I set a curse upon you, Barnabas Collins! You wanted your Josette so much, well, you shall have her, but not in the way that you would have chosen. You will never rest, Barnabas! And you will never be able to love anyone-for whoever loves you will die. That is my curse, and you will live with it through all eternity! - Angelique Bouchard Collins)
Title: Re: Time, howling, withering! - Dark Shadows
Post by: Bob on August 04, 2008, 01:31:02 PM
Oh my goodness, I used to love the old "Dark Shadows" tv show and the movies that they made.  

When I was a little kid, I would walk home from school, my mom would turn on the TV, turn out the lights and we would watch Dark Shadows.

I was wondering when they would get around to making a remake.

I think Depp could pull it of nicely.
Title: Re: Time, howling, withering! - Dark Shadows
Post by: esoobaC .T bocaJ on August 04, 2008, 01:42:18 PM
what's Dark Shadows?
Title: Re: Time, howling, withering! - Dark Shadows
Post by: Bob on August 04, 2008, 01:50:16 PM
what's Dark Shadows?

A vampire soap opera basically.

From wikipedia.

Dark Shadows

Format Soap Opera
Created by Dan Curtis
Starring Joan Bennett
Jonathan Frid
Grayson Hall
Louis Edmonds
Nancy Barrett
Lara Parker
David Selby
Kate Jackson
Kathryn Leigh Scott
David Henesy
Denise Nickerson
Thayer David
and Alexandra Moltke
 
Country of origin  United States
No. of episodes 1225
Production
Running time 0:30
Broadcast
Original channel ABC
Original run June 27, 1966 April 2, 1971
External links
IMDb profile
Dark Shadows is a Gothic soap opera that originally aired weekdays on the ABC television network, from June 27, 1966 to April 2, 1971. The show was created by Dan Curtis, who tells of a dream he had in which a girl takes a long train ride to visit a large mansion. The story "bible," which was written by Art Wallace, does not mention any supernatural elements. It was considered daring (and unprecedented in daytime television) when ghosts were introduced about six months after it began. The series became hugely popular when, a year into its run, vampire Barnabas Collins, played by Jonathan Frid, appeared. In addition to vampires, Dark Shadows featured werewolves, ghosts, zombies, man-made monsters, witches, warlocks, time travel, both into the past and into the future, and a parallel universe. A small company of actors each played many roles and, as actors came and went, some characters were played by several actors. Major writers in addition to Art Wallace included Sam Hall, Gordon Russell, and Violet Welles.

Dark Shadows was distinguished by its vividly melodramatic performances, atmospheric interiors, memorable story lines and an unusually adventurous music score. Now regarded as somewhat of a camp classic, it continues to enjoy intense cult status among its followers. Director Tim Burton and pop icon Madonna have both gone on record as fans of the series. As a child Johnny Depp was so obsessed with Barnabas Collins that he wanted to be him[1].
Title: Re: Time, howling, withering! - Dark Shadows
Post by: anais.jude on August 07, 2008, 08:53:52 AM
Wait, what?
Title: Re: Time, howling, withering! - Dark Shadows
Post by: esoobaC .T bocaJ on August 07, 2008, 08:59:52 AM
so it's kinda like Dante's Cove, only it features vampires and is good?
Title: Re: Time, howling, withering! - Dark Shadows
Post by: Tripe on August 07, 2008, 09:04:05 AM
What's Dante's Cove?

Also "good" is such a tricky thing to quantify. ;)
Title: Re: Time, howling, withering! - Dark Shadows
Post by: esoobaC .T bocaJ on August 07, 2008, 09:09:16 AM
What's Dante's Cove?

A soap opera sort of

from Wikipedia

Dante's Cove

Format   Horror
LGBT
Created by   Michael Costanza
Starring   William Gregory Lee
Tracy Scoggins
Charlie David
Gregory Michael
Nadine Heimann
Michelle Wolff
Opening theme   Dying to be with You (Theme from Dante's Cove)
Country of origin   USA
Language(s)   English
No. of episodes   12
Production
Running time   47-52 minutes per episode
Broadcast
Original channel   here!
Original run   October 7, 2005 present
External links
Official website
IMDb profile
Dante's Cove is an American LGBT-oriented horror television show. The series airs on here!, a premium gay-oriented network.
Created by Michael Costanza and directed by Sam Irvin, Dante's Cove combines elements of the horror and soap opera genres in telling the story of Kevin (Gregory Michael) and Toby (Charlie David), a young couple seeking to be together and overcome the dark mystical forces that conspire to separate them. The show debuted in 2005 to a mixed critical reception. The third season ended on December 21, 2007. Materials handed out at gay pride celebrations in June 2008 indicate that a fourth season has been ordered for airing in 2009.


 ;D
Title: Re: Time, howling, withering! - Dark Shadows
Post by: Tripe on August 07, 2008, 09:10:51 AM
Er yes sort of I suppose.
Title: Re: Time, howling, withering! - Dark Shadows
Post by: Keroppi20 on August 07, 2008, 10:58:28 AM
Dark Shadows is kind of what Passions would look like if it tried to take itself seriously...
Title: Re: Time, howling, withering! - Dark Shadows
Post by: Tripe on August 07, 2008, 11:01:45 AM
Yeah from what little I've seen of Passions that sounds a good description*, though it was telenovella format essentially so it's also quite like Port Charles (again I'm going by very little experience of that General Hospital spin off).

*Didn't Dr Bombay from Bewitched turn up in Passions from time to time, not the actor, the character?
Title: Re: Time, howling, withering! - Dark Shadows
Post by: Keroppi20 on August 07, 2008, 11:04:37 AM
Yes, he was mentioned a lot but I don't think he was ever actually portrayed by an actor.   There were a lot of references made to world of Bewitched throughout the course of the show.  (And I will admit I watched the show for about three years   :) )
Title: Re: Time, howling, withering! - Dark Shadows
Post by: Reductio_ad_absurdum on August 07, 2008, 12:38:51 PM
You know maybe if this show was on when I was a kid, I might not have this seething hatred for Soap Operas now. Either that or it might have gave me an even more bitter hatred for the format.

School sometimes was more entertaining for me then the crap that was on during the day.
Title: Re: Time, howling, withering! - Dark Shadows
Post by: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on August 10, 2008, 01:17:07 PM
Okay....trying to look at this Burton movie dispassionately....and don't think I can do it.  I still have his version of Planet of the Apes stuck in my craw....

The original series - started out as a governess in a creepy mansion of a family with nasty secrets and was bombing.  They added a tragic vampire figure (Mid-1800: Barnabas Collins is in love with Josette Dupree but is loved by a witch named Angelique whom he spurns.  Angelique sends a bat to turn him into a vampire. Josette finds out and throws herself off a cliff.  Barnabas' father finds out what he is but can't bring himself to kill him so he chains him in the family crypt.  In 1966, groundskeeper for the Collins is looking for lost jewels and opens the coffin) and a cult is born.

They make a movie that keeps part of that and then plays to the masses.  Works okay.  You can see the whole thing on YouTube in 12 parts (can't be embedded).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lGtZWdet-E (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lGtZWdet-E)

But the whole thing about the orginal was that it took it's attitude toward most of it's monsterous characters from the old Universal monster movies.  They were sympathetic for the most part.  Frankenstein was basically an abandoned child. Larry Talbot didn't want to be a wolf and kill people. Imhotep's true love died and he ended up buried alive to try to bring her back to life and now wants to get her back again.   Even Lugosi's Dracula says with a touch of envy that to be truly dead must be glorious.

Barnabas' whole thing was that he didn't want to be a vampire.  And then, when Josette's look-a-like/reincarnation shows up in the new governess, Maggie Evens, he tries to be cured so she could love him.  Quentin didn't want to be a werewolf, Adam (who was the show's version of Frankenstein) just wanted to be a normal person, not the superman his creator wanted.  And there was that demon that the couple in the antique store had to raise that was supposed to take Caroline Collins as a bride and then destroy mankind...only he fell in love with Caroline and refused to do it so they had to go on the run from the cult that served the "father" of the demon.....

(this was some fun shit when you were seven or eight and watching on school and summer holidays....  ;))

The remake with Ben Cross however was starting more towards what we have now in vampire and werewolf pictures like Underworld - where there might be some throwaway line like "It's awful to live like this" but the whole picture's attitude is one of "Hey, isn't this cool!!!!"

I'm afraid that Burton's film is going to go that direction and therefore be labeled just another Underworld/Blade/whatever....

And that's a shame because - I was looking at the msg boards on imdb about this and people were talking about casting...and one was discussing who would play Quentin Collins if he were included.

Quentin was the family's version of Billy Pilgrim - he got unstuck in time a lot.  He got thrown forward into 1969, was all upset that his wife and children were dead and buried and he couldn' t go back so he started messing up, pissed somebody off and ended up being cursed a werewolf. And there was a lot of other stuff...he was a tragic figure in the show because he lost people he loved more than most.

Thing is if they do the orignal Quentin I know exactly who I'd want to play him (don't give me any grief, Tripe/Nixon  :-*) - Craig Bierko:

(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b4/robotrix/Craig%20Bierko/13thfloor13.jpg)

He's not a David Selby look-a-like:

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Quentin_Collins.jpg/210px-Quentin_Collins.jpg)

But I think he's got the right look for the part and he's a damn good actor.  If they're going the original tragic character version.  Plus he's well over six foot - he'd make a great werewolf.

But if they're going to go the "ain't it cool" route with this - not that Bierko couldn't do that - but I don't see that movie succeeding and why sign on to a sinking ship?

Just me rambling.....
Title: Re: Time, howling, withering! - Dark Shadows
Post by: Tripe on August 10, 2008, 01:24:30 PM
Thing is if they do the orignal Quentin I know exactly who I'd want to play him (don't give me any grief, Tripe/Nixon  :-*) - Craig Bierko:

(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b4/robotrix/Craig%20Bierko/13thfloor13.jpg)

Hey, I just know him as Lister US, for all I know he might be perfectly adequate  ;)

Anyway time to go to the gym I'll ruminate on the rest of your post and give some thoughts later :)
Title: Re: Time, howling, withering! - Dark Shadows
Post by: Bob on August 10, 2008, 01:32:30 PM
Okay....trying to look at this Burton movie dispassionately....and don't think I can do it.  I still have his version of Planet of the Apes stuck in my craw....

The original series - started out as a governess in a creepy mansion of a family with nasty secrets and was bombing.  They added a tragic vampire figure (Mid-1800: Barnabas Collins is in love with Josette Dupree but is loved by a witch named Angelique whom he spurns.  Angelique sends a bat to turn him into a vampire. Josette finds out and throws herself off a cliff.  Barnabas' father finds out what he is but can't bring himself to kill him so he chains him in the family crypt.  In 1966, groundskeeper for the Collins is looking for lost jewels and opens the coffin) and a cult is born.





They make a movie that keeps part of that and then plays to the masses.  Works okay.  You can see the whole thing on YouTube in 12 parts (can't be embedded).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lGtZWdet-E (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lGtZWdet-E)

But the whole thing about the orginal was that it took it's attitude toward most of it's monsterous characters from the old Universal monster movies.  They were sympathetic for the most part.  Frankenstein was basically an abandoned child. Larry Talbot didn't want to be a wolf and kill people. Imhotep's true love died and he ended up buried alive to try to bring her back to life and now wants to get her back again.   Even Lugosi's Dracula says with a touch of envy that to be truly dead must be glorious.

Barnabas' whole thing was that he didn't want to be a vampire.  And then, when Josette's look-a-like/reincarnation shows up in the new governess, Maggie Evens, he tries to be cured so she could love him.  Quentin didn't want to be a werewolf, Adam (who was the show's version of Frankenstein) just wanted to be a normal person, not the superman his creator wanted.  And there was that demon that the couple in the antique store had to raise that was supposed to take Caroline Collins as a bride and then destroy mankind...only he fell in love with Caroline and refused to do it so they had to go on the run from the cult that served the "father" of the demon.....

(this was some fun shit when you were seven or eight and watching on school and summer holidays....  ;))

The remake with Ben Cross however was starting more towards what we have now in vampire and werewolf pictures like Underworld - where there might be some throwaway line like "It's awful to live like this" but the whole picture's attitude is one of "Hey, isn't this cool!!!!"

I'm afraid that Burton's film is going to go that direction and therefore be labeled just another Underworld/Blade/whatever....

And that's a shame because - I was looking at the msg boards on imdb about this and people were talking about casting...and one was discussing who would play Quentin Collins if he were included.

Quentin was the family's version of Billy Pilgrim - he got unstuck in time a lot.  He got thrown forward into 1969, was all upset that his wife and children were dead and buried and he couldn' t go back so he started messing up, pissed somebody off and ended up being cursed a werewolf. And there was a lot of other stuff...he was a tragic figure in the show because he lost people he loved more than most.

Thing is if they do the orignal Quentin I know exactly who I'd want to play him (don't give me any grief, Tripe/Nixon  :-*) - Craig Bierko:

(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b4/robotrix/Craig%20Bierko/13thfloor13.jpg)

He's not a David Selby look-a-like:

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Quentin_Collins.jpg/210px-Quentin_Collins.jpg)

But I think he's got the right look for the part and he's a damn good actor.  If they're going the original tragic character version.  Plus he's well over six foot - he'd make a great werewolf.

But if they're going to go the "ain't it cool" route with this - not that Bierko couldn't do that - but I don't see that movie succeeding and why sign on to a sinking ship?

Just me rambling.....


Wow, post of the year!
Title: Re: Time, howling, withering! - Dark Shadows
Post by: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on August 11, 2008, 08:45:52 AM
Wow, post of the year!

Really?  Thought I'd get a lot of  ::)

 :D
Title: Re: Time, howling, withering! - Dark Shadows
Post by: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on July 31, 2009, 09:08:10 AM
Should we resurrect this thread now that the Johnny Depp movie is confirmed?
Title: Dark Shadows (the old one)
Post by: Henry88 on September 01, 2010, 10:06:58 PM
back in the day when vampires and werewolf's where cool and ghost zombies witches  and traveling through time was fun to watch.

any one remember this show.
Title: Re: Dark Shadows (the old one)
Post by: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on September 01, 2010, 11:57:20 PM
Absolutely....

There's an old thread about it here somewhere.

(PS - Did you see the interview with Jerry Lacy in this month's - I think - Fangoria?  The one with the feature about Piranha 3-D)
Title: Re: Dark Shadows (the old one)
Post by: Tripe on September 02, 2010, 04:42:33 AM
any one remember this show.
Why yes. ;)
Title: Re: Time, howling, withering! - Dark Shadows
Post by: Henry88 on April 19, 2012, 09:24:49 PM
*brings tread back from the abyss*