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Title: The Apple Ads - Love 'em or Hate 'em?
Post by: kodiakthejuggler on November 30, 2006, 08:16:37 AM
(http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h310/kodiakthejuggler/MacAds.jpg)


I know there's been lots of bad blood between the Mac/PC peoples regarding Apple's advertisements, so here's your chance to vent!

Do you love the ads, or hate them?


Tell us what you think! Do they accurately convey the message? Are they all hype? Or is Apple just throwing fuel on the fire?


Vote Now!!!
Title: Re: The Apple Ads - Love 'em or Hate 'em?
Post by: Pak-Man on November 30, 2006, 08:42:53 AM
Don't remember the debate being a really hot item since back in  these days:
http://www.mst3kinfo.com/ward_e/Bit304a.html

So let's bring it back. ;^)

Yeah Macs never crash and they're not as prone to catch viruses, but to me, a computer should be judged on what it can do, not how stable it is. I look at the PC section at my local EB, then I look at the Mac section, and my selection is made. :^)
Also, can anyone really put some credence on the claim that Macs are better for art? It doesn't seem like they can do anything art-wise that a well-built PC can't do.
Title: Re: The Apple Ads - Love 'em or Hate 'em?
Post by: Teaflax on November 30, 2006, 08:46:12 AM
The problem is that John Hodgman is awesome. His performance in the ads is good, but he's really taking off in his own right, and that undermines the message of squareness.

FWIW, I've had both Macs and PCs throghout the years and I do prefer Macs, even though I don't own one right now (I'm waiting for the Apple line of ultraportables which must be just around the corner). And even though OS X was a terrible downgrade in user-friendliness at first, it's kind of starting to catch up to the concistency and ease of workflow that made 9.5 wonderful.

XP does have some advantages, but they seem to be more happy accidents than thought-out interface ideas.
Title: Re: The Apple Ads - Love 'em or Hate 'em?
Post by: kodiakthejuggler on November 30, 2006, 08:48:39 AM
To me, the biggest advantage of Macs are ease of use.

I have worked with both Macs and PCs in my work environment(creative multimedia) and have been the most pleased with my Mac with OSX than I could ever be with Windows in any form. There are so many cool things OSX can do that only Vista can compete with, and we all know how long it'll be before that comes about!

I get great pleasure working with my Mac, and have learned to use all the keyboard shortcuts available. It's just so easy to do, and yet with Windows, it's not as easy, though you can do most of the same things. It's just better laid out on the keyboard. Plus, the interface is much nicer to me.

This is all very subjective. The point is not to say one is better than the other. The point is to say what works for you.

More to the point of the Mac ads, are they effective?


So far, Justin Long is not an asset to these ads. John Hodgman, however, is an essential part of the success of the ads. He's hilarious!!!
Title: Re: The Apple Ads - Love 'em or Hate 'em?
Post by: Teaflax on November 30, 2006, 08:55:39 AM
Also, can anyone really put some credence on the claim that Macs are better for art? It doesn't seem like they can do anything art-wise that a well-built PC can't do.

Macs are better if you spend a lot of your time using the desktop and bopping between different programs and want them to play well with each other. PCs may have more software and if you spend most of your time in one program at a time and/or don't handle masses of files, you won't be feeling much of what it is that drags XP down compared to OSX (like defaulting to the execrable list view in open/save dialogues).

I've been using Macs since 1985, and PCs since about 1995, so I've had plenty of time to compare both experiences, and to me, the Mac is just more customizable and adaptable to your style of doing things, especially now that OS X is beginning to make more sense than it did in the first two iterations.

I'm still severely peeved that OS X doesn't divorce physical location and naming of files in the computer's internal hierarchy from that of the files on the desktops. This was one of the most beautiful things about pre-X Macs; you could arrange your files in any way you saw fit, and an app wouldn't stop working just because you put it on the desktop or changed its name, for instance. The less of a techie you have to be to run your computer, the better, and Macs took a big step backward in that department when they went for Linux and decided not to make it invisible to the user experience. It's still better than XP in most of those departments, but still way too rigid.
Title: Re: The Apple Ads - Love 'em or Hate 'em?
Post by: SmilinJackRoss on November 30, 2006, 08:57:40 AM
I'm a mac guy, and I really like the ads.

I was forced to use a mac in college when I took a class where we had to design a webpage, and the professor would only use macs, because he had so many problems with PCs.  None of us in the class had really used macs before, and we were really resistant to using the new machine, but he insisted.  I ended up loving the mac I was using, and now it's what I use at home.  I still have to use a PC at work now, which is OK, cuz I am kinda "bi-lingual" now, computer-wise.
Title: Re: The Apple Ads - Love 'em or Hate 'em?
Post by: PsypherPunk on November 30, 2006, 09:10:42 AM
Given that I use Linux (which runs on standard PCs, Mac's old PPC-based systems and no doubt on the modern Intel-based models) the differences are really only in the hardware. The only question is whether I like Apple-branded hardware or not. Given its price and the facts its performance is at best comparable, I'll stick with my traditional PC.

Having said that, I don't really care about the ads. Never seen 'em.

When I was over in New York a couple of months ago I noticed that everyone using a laptop in Starbucks used a Mac. Take from that what you will.
Title: Re: The Apple Ads - Love 'em or Hate 'em?
Post by: AmandaGal on November 30, 2006, 09:14:05 AM
I think the ads make you feel sorry for the poor PC.  Maybe it is because I was always the "PC" in school to the cool kids "Mac."  After watching the commercials, I would never buy a mean, show off Mac.  He's like the cool kid in school who tries so hard to make everyone think he's superior than they are when he really knows deep down he has nothing to offer past his looks.  AT least PC is secure in what he is.

The latest one with the Christmas gifts, I just want to hug PC and give him his GUI C++ programming guide and tell him he's the greatest.  Mac is all "I'm the best" while giving photos of himself.  That so reminds me of the high school cheerleader.  That swearmy mac is always trying to show him up and he's trying his best, man! 

I've always loved the commercials though...and I run Linux and XP :-)  I've used Macs before and I have no problem with them.  I hate the whole "I'm better than you because I use a Mac" attitude that some macphiles have (way before the Mac commercials ever came out) so I've always taken up for PCs.  But, I really don't think one is that much superior.  Don't tell the people I've made fun of for mac-loving that though!
Title: Re: The Apple Ads - Love 'em or Hate 'em?
Post by: PsypherPunk on November 30, 2006, 09:17:40 AM
The latest one with the Christmas gifts, I just want to hug PC and give him his GUI C++ programming guide and tell him he's the greatest.  Mac is all "I'm the best" while giving photos of himself.  That so reminds me of the high school cheerleader.  That swearmy mac is always trying to show him up and he's trying his best, man! 

As I say, I haven't actually seen them but they sound increasingly like they're OSX vs. XP rather than Mac vs. PC...?
Title: Re: The Apple Ads - Love 'em or Hate 'em?
Post by: Petey Wheatstraw on November 30, 2006, 09:20:04 AM
I don't really care about them one way or another.
Title: Re: The Apple Ads - Love 'em or Hate 'em?
Post by: AmandaGal on November 30, 2006, 09:22:30 AM
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When I was over in New York a couple of months ago I noticed that everyone using a laptop in Starbucks used a Mac. Take from that what you will.

For some reason, consumers see Macs as "sexier" than PCs and more upscale/high class.  This girl at school pulled out a Powerbook and everyone was all "Whoa."  I guess it's a styling issue. My little Dell is plain silver, doesn't light up (weighs about half as much) so it's just not as groovy as the Mac.

It's also a price issue.  My Dell was probably half the price of her Powerbook.  If you can afford a Powerbook or an iPod, it's like a status symbol.  Like kids who get generic shoes instead of Nikes, nobody wants a generic mp3. 

My neice last year threw a fit because I got her a mp3 player that wasn't an iPod.  "I only want an iPod." Why?  The one I got her was a lot better.  It's just the brand recognition. Apple knows people, that's for sure.
Title: Re: The Apple Ads - Love 'em or Hate 'em?
Post by: AmandaGal on November 30, 2006, 09:24:50 AM
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As I say, I haven't actually seen them but they sound increasingly like they're OSX vs. XP rather than Mac vs. PC...?

I think really they are just to promote iLife (which I admit I don't know much about).  They basically say Macs are for fun, movies, photos, etc. and PCs are boring and can only do spreadsheets.

There was one about viruses too but the main concentration seems to be iLife.
Title: Re: The Apple Ads - Love 'em or Hate 'em?
Post by: kodiakthejuggler on November 30, 2006, 09:26:24 AM
For some reason, consumers see Macs as "sexier" than PCs and more upscale/high class.  This girl at school pulled out a Powerbook and everyone was all "Whoa."  I guess it's a styling issue. My little Dell is plain silver, doesn't light up (weighs about half as much, lol) so it's just not as groovy as the Mac.

It's also a price issue.  My Dell was probably half the price of her Powerbook.  If you can afford a Powerbook or an iPod, it's like a status symbol.  Like kids who get generic shoes instead of Nikes, lol. 

My neice last year threw a fit because I got her a mp3 player that wasn't an iPod.  "I only want an iPod." Why?  The one I got her was a lot better.  It's just the brand recognition. Apple knows people, that's for sure.


Add to that the fact that most TV shows/Movies like to sport Macs. Much of it has to do with style. They're just cool. When the public sees their favorite TV/Movie Star using a product, they gots to get their hands on one! Myself very much included.

As far as price goes, I like to use this little comparison: Mac vs. PC = Mercedes Benz vs. Honda    ;)
Title: Re: The Apple Ads - Love 'em or Hate 'em?
Post by: gammer on November 30, 2006, 09:26:49 AM
Yeah they aight!!
Title: Re: The Apple Ads - Love 'em or Hate 'em?
Post by: PsypherPunk on November 30, 2006, 09:31:35 AM
In a vaguely related note, does anyone know the name of the Mac program that's basically a MST3K rip-off? Allows you to animate silhouetted characters, link over VOIP and watch films'n'stuff. Anyone?
Title: Re: The Apple Ads - Love 'em or Hate 'em?
Post by: Minnesota on November 30, 2006, 09:56:39 AM
Macs are more expensive, but they last longer in my experience. My 6-year old G4 cube gets better performance than my 2-year old pc. Things run both smoother and faster on the mac (word, photoshop, in design, firefox). On the other hand my pc burns dvds (and has decent dvd burning software available) and plays games.
Title: Re: The Apple Ads - Love 'em or Hate 'em?
Post by: daltysmilth on November 30, 2006, 11:14:17 AM
Maybe PC's have more software, but is that the Mac's fault?  The reason PC's have more software is that the developers don't have the balls to release stuff for Mac.  It's the same reason you don't see a lot of stuff for Linux.
Title: Re: The Apple Ads - Love 'em or Hate 'em?
Post by: Pak-Man on November 30, 2006, 11:18:30 AM
I agree. They COULD release more software for the Mac, but they don't. Until they do, the PC is where it's at if you're ANY kind of PC gamer. :^)
Title: Re: The Apple Ads - Love 'em or Hate 'em?
Post by: 6079SmithW on November 30, 2006, 03:02:07 PM
The ads send the message that Mac users are snotty, self satisfied jerks. I won't comment on its accuracy.

Personally, I prefer PCs, but that's largely because I've been using them for so long that all the keyboard and linking shortcuts have become second nature to me. I can't really judge fairly.
Title: Re: The Apple Ads - Love 'em or Hate 'em?
Post by: Shinigami on November 30, 2006, 09:08:38 PM
The ads send the message that Mac users are snotty, self satisfied jerks. I won't comment on its accuracy.

Personally, I prefer PCs, but that's largely because I've been using them for so long that all the keyboard and linking shortcuts have become second nature to me. I can't really judge fairly.

Yeah, they hang out with other Mac people, talk about Macs, and then go home watch Road House on their iPod Video and touch themselves.


BTW, Ron White is the man.
Title: Re: The Apple Ads - Love 'em or Hate 'em?
Post by: Minnesota on November 30, 2006, 10:40:39 PM
jealous much?  ;D Actually I'm using a mac (with my pc on in the back round) 8) Dont own a ipod though. Never understood why people dont have both, if not for the although macs are really expensive, no other reason not to get one though?
Title: Re: The Apple Ads - Love 'em or Hate 'em?
Post by: 6079SmithW on November 30, 2006, 10:58:20 PM
jealous much?  ;D Actually I'm using a mac (with my pc on in the back round) 8) Dont own a ipod though. Never understood why people dont have both, if not for the although macs are really expensive, no other reason not to get one though?
I can see absolutely no reason to buy a Mac, as it would introduce new problems and fail to solve any. Also, iTunes pisses me off.
Title: Re: The Apple Ads - Love 'em or Hate 'em?
Post by: kodiakthejuggler on December 01, 2006, 07:42:17 AM
jealous much?  ;D Actually I'm using a mac (with my pc on in the back round) 8) Dont own a ipod though. Never understood why people dont have both, if not for the although macs are really expensive, no other reason not to get one though?
I can see absolutely no reason to buy a Mac, as it would introduce new problems and fail to solve any. Also, iTunes pisses me off.


[Ash]

You have my sympathies.   :)

[/Ash]
Title: Re: The Apple Ads - Love 'em or Hate 'em?
Post by: Teaflax on December 01, 2006, 08:31:19 AM
Also, iTunes pisses me off.

ITunes really is crap, it sorts badly, doesn't read tags well and ha sa slew of other interface problems. The main redeeming feature was the album shuffle (the second one was Party Mode) and now that the gorgeous and incredibly clever AlbumPlayer (http://www.albumplayer.com/) has that, I'm not ever moving my music collection from the PC.
Title: Re: The Apple Ads - Love 'em or Hate 'em?
Post by: PMAvers on December 01, 2006, 08:46:04 AM
In a vaguely related note, does anyone know the name of the Mac program that's basically a MST3K rip-off? Allows you to animate silhouetted characters, link over VOIP and watch films'n'stuff. Anyone?

Peanut Gallery (http://peanutgallery.kaisakura.com/) is what you're looking for.
Title: Re: The Apple Ads - Love 'em or Hate 'em?
Post by: SmilinJackRoss on December 01, 2006, 09:16:57 AM
I can see absolutely no reason to buy a Mac, as it would introduce new problems and fail to solve any. Also, iTunes pisses me off.

Um, how about the fact that there are no virus' for macs.  Pretty big plus in my book.
Title: Re: The Apple Ads - Love 'em or Hate 'em?
Post by: kodiakthejuggler on December 01, 2006, 09:18:04 AM
I can see absolutely no reason to buy a Mac, as it would introduce new problems and fail to solve any. Also, iTunes pisses me off.

Um, how about the fact that there are no virus' for macs.  Pretty big plus in my book.

To be honest, there are viruses, just a very small amount, and it's not anywhere near as critical for the Mac community as it is for the Windows community. Agreed, though, it's a big selling point not to have to constantly worry about viruses.
Title: Re: The Apple Ads - Love 'em or Hate 'em?
Post by: AmandaGal on December 01, 2006, 09:26:22 AM
I've always used PCs and never had a virus.  You just have to have an ounce of common sense to avoid them.  There are some good free virus programs.  I've fixed many a badly infected computer .  Those people are either don't have antivirus software or have it and ignore it.  It's really not that much of a hassle to think before you open a file and to keep your software updated.  Most software updates automatically.

The more popular macs get the more viruses they'll have.
Title: Re: The Apple Ads - Love 'em or Hate 'em?
Post by: J-Proof on December 01, 2006, 09:34:10 AM
rifftrax = pc users =)

And to be honest - PCs have been able to handle the work we do with more efficiency than MACs (we've tried both) otherwise we'd be using macs. Of course, different people use em for different reasons.
Title: Re: The Apple Ads - Love 'em or Hate 'em?
Post by: 6079SmithW on December 01, 2006, 04:47:29 PM
I've always used PCs and never had a virus.  You just have to have an ounce of common sense to avoid them.  There are some good free virus programs.  I've fixed many a badly infected computer .  Those people are either don't have antivirus software or have it and ignore it.  It's really not that much of a hassle to think before you open a file and to keep your software updated.  Most software updates automatically.

The more popular macs get the more viruses they'll have.
Yeah, the no virus thing goes hand in hand with the poor software availability as a function of being less popular- personally, I can handle viruses, but I can't reprogram games between platforms.
Title: Re: The Apple Ads - Love 'em or Hate 'em?
Post by: moviemirth on December 02, 2006, 11:25:23 AM
Those ads are annoying as heck, but the more people buy Macs, the more viruses and spyware will start shifting in their direction and away from us PC users:)

Also if you Mac breaks, you can't do much about it unless you are an expert at removing the hard drive from inside your monitor.
Title: Re: The Apple Ads - Love 'em or Hate 'em?
Post by: Teaflax on December 02, 2006, 12:25:14 PM
Those ads are annoying as heck, but the more people buy Macs, the more viruses and spyware will start shifting in their direction and away from us PC users:)

Actually, the reason Macs have been relatively virus-free is not just a smaller user base, they are intrinsically safer, and always have been.
Title: Re: The Apple Ads - Love 'em or Hate 'em?
Post by: BBQ Platypus on December 08, 2006, 03:29:38 PM
Stupid, Incomprehensible Script Making Fun of Incomprehensibly Stupid Ad

Stupid Unfunny Guy: "I'm a Mac..."
Me: "No, you're not!  You're just annoying!"
SUG: "Okay, I'm not a Mac.  I just play one on TV."
Me: Yeah, but I'm willing to bet you're just as annoying in real life.  Judging from how full of shit you are, you're clearly talking out of your ass.  You probably don't even know what UNIX really is, do you?  Tell me, MAC, if you're a Mac, does that mean that you look like the effeminate, pearly-white creation of homosexual interior decorators with no knowledge of how to make durable hardware?  Does it mean that you don't think market share matters worth a shit unless you're talking about the iPod?  Does it mean that you're immune to viruses, yet absurdly vulnerable to hacking because you're based on UNIX? 
SUG: "Um...uh...you can't, uh...do graphics...with a PC...
Me: Of course you don't.   You know what money is, though.  You're getting lots of it for these turdvertisements.  And I know what shitty advertising is.  I also know what an annoying, smarmy, overpaid douchebag spouting total bullshit looks like.  And guess what?  It looks a lot like these ads!

(SUG gets hacked because he's too lazy to do basic computer maintenance)

SUG: (sings) Daisy, daisy...

Me: You see, kids, we can all learn some important lessons from these ads you can't change personal preference.  In the end, it's not much different than Pepsi and Coke - there are tradeoffs and benefits on both ends.  The second lesson we can learn is that these ads SUCK BIG TIME.
Kids: Now we know!
Me: And knowing is half the battle!

(http://www.thedrunkenclam.com/wallpapers/GI-Joe1600x1200.gif)
Title: Re: The Apple Ads - Love 'em or Hate 'em?
Post by: Trufire on December 08, 2006, 11:03:24 PM
I unfortunitly own a crapintosh. In fact, I am writing this post on my powerbook as it is right now. Mind you it really isn't by choice though since my major calls for me to have an apple. I really don't like them (except I do like itunes...) but I digress. While I don't like apples in particular, I do like the commercials simply because they are orginal and have a spark of humor in them.
Title: Re: The Apple Ads - Love 'em or Hate 'em?
Post by: kodiakthejuggler on December 09, 2006, 05:37:30 AM
Stupid, Incomprehensible Script Making Fun of Incomprehensibly Stupid Ad

Stupid Unfunny Guy: "I'm a Mac..."
Me: "No, you're not!  You're just annoying!"
SUG: "Okay, I'm not a Mac.  I just play one on TV."
Me: Yeah, but I'm willing to bet you're just as annoying in real life.  Judging from how full of shit you are, you're clearly talking out of your ass.  You probably don't even know what UNIX really is, do you?  Tell me, MAC, if you're a Mac, does that mean that you look like the effeminate, pearly-white creation of homosexual interior decorators with no knowledge of how to make durable hardware?  Does it mean that you don't think market share matters worth a shit unless you're talking about the iPod?  Does it mean that you're immune to viruses, yet absurdly vulnerable to hacking because you're based on UNIX? 
SUG: "Um...uh...you can't, uh...do graphics...with a PC...
Me: Of course you don't.   You know what money is, though.  You're getting lots of it for these turdvertisements.  And I know what shitty advertising is.  I also know what an annoying, smarmy, overpaid douchebag spouting total bullshit looks like.  And guess what?  It looks a lot like these ads!

(SUG gets hacked because he's too lazy to do basic computer maintenance)

SUG: (sings) Daisy, daisy...

Me: You see, kids, we can all learn some important lessons from these ads you can't change personal preference.  In the end, it's not much different than Pepsi and Coke - there are tradeoffs and benefits on both ends.  The second lesson we can learn is that these ads SUCK BIG TIME.
Kids: Now we know!
Me: And knowing is half the battle!



I bet you typed that using Microsoft Word.

Tool.


 ;)
Title: Re: The Apple Ads - Love 'em or Hate 'em?
Post by: Teaflax on December 11, 2006, 01:17:36 PM
You knwo when anyone tries to underline a point made with a McFarlane image, it really undermines their credibility to the Nth degree.

So the ads must be awesome, on a purely empirical level.
Title: Re: The Apple Ads - Love 'em or Hate 'em?
Post by: BBQ Platypus on December 11, 2006, 01:45:38 PM
You knwo when anyone tries to underline a point made with a McFarlane image, it really undermines their credibility to the Nth degree.

So the ads must be awesome, on a purely empirical level.

I completely disagree with everything in this post.  When I was on the debate team in high school, I cited Seth McFarlane in every single round.  I won every single round I was in.  Ever.  (What - you don't believe me?  Prove I didn't.  Yeah, that's what I thought, beeyatch).

Second, those ads are at least as irritating as Pauly Shore, who is not even remotely awesome.

Furthermore, I never criticized Macs.  Only their ads, as well as the condescenscion shown by some of their users toward people who own a PC.
Title: Re: The Apple Ads - Love 'em or Hate 'em?
Post by: kodiakthejuggler on December 11, 2006, 01:46:22 PM
Here's a thought:

I'd love to see some of these ads made using Rainn Wilson as PC and John Krasinski as Mac.

What do you think, sirs?

 :D



When I was on the debate team in high school, I cited Seth McFarlane in every single round.  I won every single round I was in.  Ever. 

I think Comedian Ron White said it best:

"I was kicked off the debate team for saying 'Yeah, well F**K YOU!!!'"

 ;D
Title: Re: The Apple Ads - Love 'em or Hate 'em?
Post by: Teaflax on December 11, 2006, 02:38:15 PM

Second, those ads are at least as irritating as Pauly Shore, who is not even remotely awesome.

Furthermore, I never criticized Macs.  Only their ads, as well as the condescenscion shown by some of their users toward people who own a PC.

While I salute you for your even-handed stance, I would like remind you that MacFarlane's irritation coefficient is still higher by a factor of ten compared to that of the massively undertalented Pauly Shore simply because no one actually praises, quotes or defends said Shore.

That said, condescension is not absent from the PC side of the fence (and, as noted, I straddle said fence, uncomfortable though that may be).
Title: Re: The Apple Ads - Love 'em or Hate 'em?
Post by: BBQ Platypus on December 11, 2006, 07:51:41 PM
While I salute you for your even-handed stance, I would like remind you that MacFarlane's irritation coefficient is still higher by a factor of ten compared to that of the massively undertalented Pauly Shore simply because no one actually praises, quotes or defends said Shore.

Clearly, you have never seen Biodome.

Well, I think that random cutaways are a better signature joke than the word "weasel."  Weasel?  What in the holiest of holy craps is funny about the word "weasel?"

Thus, while I find South Park funnier (as its humor has more intrinsic wit behind it), I find Pauly Shore to be infinitely more irritating than any other comedian, real or alleged.  Yes, even Tony Danza.
Title: Re: The Apple Ads - Love 'em or Hate 'em?
Post by: Joey the Lemur on December 11, 2006, 09:47:05 PM
I'm not usually a fan of this comic, but I think they summed up this issue perfectly.

http://ctrlaltdel-online.com/comics/20060513.jpg

The reason Macs have less viruses?  More people use PCs and a malicious hacker out to cause damage just for the sake of damage is going to do what will reach the most people.
Title: Re: The Apple Ads - Love 'em or Hate 'em?
Post by: Teaflax on December 12, 2006, 12:31:45 AM
The reason Macs have less viruses?  More people use PCs and a malicious hacker out to cause damage just for the sake of damage is going to do what will reach the most people.

Not true. I'm sure it's a factor, although a minor one (although lack of market share is probably more an issue when it comes to programmer familiarity rather than choosing a target). The security of the system architecture and forced compliance for third-party software makers are likely to be much bigger factors. No Outlook, no ActiveX and no ports and services wide-open by default. This, coupled with a very quick response time when it comes to security updates really makes it difficult to exploit any general weaknesses.

And if you think about it, the fact that no major viruses have shown up for OS X since release five years ago would make it a huge achievement for whoever did come through with one, so the motivation for that should cancel out many of the other mitigating factors.

And that cartoon was just childish partisan sniping.
Title: Re: The Apple Ads - Love 'em or Hate 'em?
Post by: Teaflax on December 12, 2006, 12:33:33 AM
What in the holiest of holy craps is funny about the word "weasel?"

Obviously you've never seen Eddie Izzard talking about his clarinet teacher.
Title: Re: The Apple Ads - Love 'em or Hate 'em?
Post by: kodiakthejuggler on December 12, 2006, 07:21:05 AM
I'm not usually a fan of this comic, but I think they summed up this issue perfectly.

http://ctrlaltdel-online.com/comics/20060513.jpg


Y'know, I have a sense of humor, and am not at all above laughing at something even if it sets out to paint a negative picture of something I like, such as Apple computers. However, this comic fails to be funny. It started off right, and then just became mean. The "thinly-coated subliminal imagery" line was funny, but the final panel nails the coffin shut.
Title: Re: The Apple Ads - Love 'em or Hate 'em?
Post by: PJD on December 12, 2006, 05:52:21 PM

Yeah Macs never crash and they're not as prone to catch viruses, but to me, a computer should be judged on what it can do, not how stable it is.
Also, can anyone really put some credence on the claim that Macs are better for art? It doesn't seem like they can do anything art-wise that a well-built PC can't do.
I have crashed a few Mac's. I don't know why they have this reputation as never crashing, I know plenty of people who have had them crash and destroy files in the proccess. I can't speak for artists but I work in a recording studio. The standard has been DigiDesign Protools hardware which for a long time was Mac only. I've used it and hated it. There were a ton of companys coming out with killer hardware and software for PC and whatta ya know, Digi Design buys out M-Audio, one of the leading makers of PC recording hardware and comes out with ProTools for PC. They had versions before but they worked like shit. They got smart, musicians were tired of paying more and getting less.
   Also, I can't wrap my head around the lack of a right click on a Mac. Sure they have it now but I haven't used an audio program on a Mac where it had right click functions.
  As far as the art thing  My girlfriend is the typical artist/Mac user. I asked her why she was paying twice as much for hardware/software she could get on a PC and her exact answer was "The Mac looks better, it's beautiful"  ::) I have a theory on why Macs were so strong in the artist/musician area. Artists and musicians are for the most part flakey morons. They need it to be super easy otherwise they couldn't funtion. Who cares that you can't add a hard drive when you can barely handle email? I've never found anything to be difficult to do on a PC, so I don't understand what people mean when they say Mac's are easier. Apple gives/sells-at-a-steep-discount computers to colleges everywhere to indoctrinate future generations of users. They know if you learn on it and your comftorble with it, you'll buy it. Thats especially true if your a flakey musician or artist.
  I've also never had a problem with virus's. As a matter of fact the only people I know that talk about virus' (sp?) are Mac people talking about how they never get them. Shit, I've never had crabs but i don't walk around talking about it.
 
I think the ads make you feel sorry for the poor PC.  Maybe it is because I was always the "PC" in school to the cool kids "Mac."  After watching the commercials, I would never buy a mean, show off Mac.  He's like the cool kid in school who tries so hard to make everyone think he's superior than they are when he really knows deep down he has nothing to offer past his looks.  AT least PC is secure in what he is.
  I hate the whole "I'm better than you because I use a Mac" attitude that some macphiles have (way before the Mac commercials ever came out) so I've always taken up for PCs.
I think the ad is designed not to convert PC users directly but to make Mac users even more smug and obnoxious and then make PC users feel the social pressure to confrom to the group of 'cool' kids.

Add to that the fact that most TV shows/Movies like to sport Macs. Much of it has to do with style. They're just cool. When the public sees their favorite TV/Movie Star using a product, they gots to get their hands on one! Myself very much included.

As far as price goes, I like to use this little comparison: Mac vs. PC = Mercedes Benz vs. Honda    ;)
Apple is spending big bucks for that product placement, don't get suckered in!
As far as Mercedes vs Honda? I use a PC and drive a Toyota and am proud of both.
Title: Re: The Apple Ads - Love 'em or Hate 'em?
Post by: Compound on December 12, 2006, 06:48:53 PM
As far as Mercedes vs Honda? I use a PC and drive a Toyota and am proud of both.

I drive a Ford, which I suppose makes me the Amiga user, standing outside the computer store mumbling, "Oh, we'll be back! Our market share increased 2000% last year! Just you wait! We'll be back!"
Title: Re: The Apple Ads - Love 'em or Hate 'em?
Post by: AmandaGal on December 12, 2006, 08:01:37 PM
I drive a beetle.  I guess that makes me an iMac.  All flash and no substance :-)
Title: Re: The Apple Ads - Love 'em or Hate 'em?
Post by: Shinigami on December 12, 2006, 10:38:31 PM
I drive a 16 year old station wagon.  So i guess I have a olde time IBM pc with the phosphorus green monitor and a copy of Oregon Trail.
Title: Re: The Apple Ads - Love 'em or Hate 'em?
Post by: J-Proof on December 13, 2006, 10:04:10 AM
We crashed tons of macs over here, which is why we stuck with pcs. Our 8Gig RAM professional quality macs couldn't do the same job that our 3Gig RAM PCs are able to do - which is a fact or else we'd still be using macs.

Even at school our macs would crash all the time - top of the line g4 and 5s and whatnot.

But I have noticed macs are good with dealing with smaller projects of the none-video sort (Not that pcs aren't)
Title: Re: The Apple Ads - Love 'em or Hate 'em?
Post by: kodiakthejuggler on December 13, 2006, 10:42:48 AM
We crashed tons of macs over here, which is why we stuck with pcs. Our 8Gig RAM professional quality macs couldn't do the same job that our 3Gig RAM PCs are able to do - which is a fact or else we'd still be using macs.

Even at school our macs would crash all the time - top of the line g4 and 5s and whatnot.

But I have noticed macs are good with dealing with smaller projects of the none-video sort (Not that pcs aren't)


There's got to be a reason why they kept crashing. It's not like the hardware is not strong enough. Dual 3 Gig Intel Xeon processors and 8 gigs of RAM should have no problem handling high res video(it's a given that these decked-out machines would be using a high quality video card as well). There are plenty of production houses out there that use Macs, and it's not just high-brow stuck-ups who use them.



And I disagree with this whole notion that Macs are "easy to use" because they cater to morons. Give me a break. Don't be so naive. The interface in OSX Tiger is simple to use, because it's very well thought out. Once you learn the shortcuts, and I heartily recommend that EVERYONE use shortcuts, you can cut production time in half, and it's quite easy and intuitive to navigate through your programs and files.
Title: Re: The Apple Ads - Love 'em or Hate 'em?
Post by: PJD on December 13, 2006, 12:51:46 PM
And I disagree with this whole notion that Macs are "easy to use" because they cater to morons. Give me a break. Don't be so naive. The interface in OSX Tiger is simple to use, because it's very well thought out. Once you learn the shortcuts, and I heartily recommend that EVERYONE use shortcuts, you can cut production time in half, and it's quite easy and intuitive to navigate through your programs and files.
I was reffering to specifically to artists and musicians as being morons and flakes, not all Mac users, but what I really don't understand is what makes a PC so difficult? I don't need any keyboard shortcuts, they are all on the pull down menu when I right click something. I've never had a problem navigating through programs and files, can you explain the easy thing? ???
Title: Re: The Apple Ads - Love 'em or Hate 'em?
Post by: J-Proof on December 13, 2006, 01:19:36 PM
either way for shortcuts - PCs have tons as well.... and most useful shrotcuts are used while working with software on a particular project - which is up to the software manufacturers, not the platform of computer.

Now - what we did at this office was let one of our decked out PCs render out thousands of HD quality tif files from a video source to its harddrive. We synched this up with an 8GigRAM mac and had it do the same exact operation. Come morning time, the PC was flashing its "rendering complete" sign, with all files in tact, and the mac was white-screen-o-deathed/frozen with only half the frames available coem restart.

After doing other tests, which all put PC on top for performance and price, we stuck with PCs or else we would have switched to macs.

What most companies like about macs isn't ease of operation. In fact, most execs I've spoken to don't like the mac interface. What they like is that macs are cheaper to upgrade and license for gignatic labs of computers. Really, for bigger businesses, it comes down to dollar signs. Since we don't have gigantic labs of computers, and the price isn't jacked up for us to have pcs, and we have tested pcs and had much better outcomes for the pc, we stuck with pcs (plus Mike lieks playing CS with us during lunch breaks).

Now I don't know what's up with the hardware of the macs we tested, but what I do know is that the macs didn't work. If we were a bigger company, we'd probably have gone with macs anyway with a small pc lab for us in the rifftrax area.

-- Personally, I've used both systems, and don't care as long as the project gets finished. I suppose I am slightly biased toward PCs as a 3D animator and gamer, but specifically for what we do in our office, PCs actually /have/ proven better. Personally, though - I prefer PCs.
Title: Re: The Apple Ads - Love 'em or Hate 'em?
Post by: Nunyerbiz on December 14, 2006, 03:18:59 PM

I really don't have much of an opinion either way as far as the Mac vs PC debate. I'm not a regular Mac user by any means, but I have some experience with them via working for an IT dept. Speaking from my own background, I do think the "Macs don't crash" stuff is pretty much a fallacy. I would say they crash less, but the Macs we have aren't immune to the occasional ghost in the machine.

As far as the ads... I guess I hate them. Not because I find them elitist or whatnever, just because at the end of every single one.... I like the PC guy better... and it irks me that somebody from Apple thought that making their product unlikable was a solid marketing approach.
Title: Re: The Apple Ads - Love 'em or Hate 'em?
Post by: Shinigami on December 14, 2006, 03:34:56 PM

I really don't have much of an opinion either way as far as the Mac vs PC debate. I'm not a regular Mac user by any means, but I have some experience with them via working for an IT dept. Speaking from my own background, I do think the "Macs don't crash" stuff is pretty much a fallacy. I would say they crash less, but the Macs we have aren't immune to the occasional ghost in the machine.

As far as the ads... I guess I hate them. Not because I find them elitist or whatnever, just because at the end of every single one.... I like the PC guy better... and it irks me that somebody from Apple thought that making their product unlikable was a solid marketing approach.

Besides, the Mac guy couldn't even bone Britney Spears.
Title: Re: The Apple Ads - Love 'em or Hate 'em?
Post by: Teaflax on December 16, 2006, 04:35:36 PM
I was reffering to specifically to artists and musicians as being morons and flakes,

Which kind of disqualified you from being taken seriously.
Title: Re: The Apple Ads - Love 'em or Hate 'em?
Post by: Sharktopus on December 17, 2006, 01:18:15 AM
As long as Mac mice have only one button, I'll never be able to use one. I don't adapt well to change.
Title: Re: The Apple Ads - Love 'em or Hate 'em?
Post by: Teaflax on December 17, 2006, 09:07:27 AM
As long as Mac mice have only one button, I'll never be able to use one. I don't adapt well to change.

I've been using two-button mice on my Macs since about 1998 or so. An extra purchase, but well worth it.
Title: Re: The Apple Ads - Love 'em or Hate 'em?
Post by: kodiakthejuggler on December 17, 2006, 10:26:24 AM
Any new Mac comes with the two button mouse these days. I don't know why they went without a two button mouse for so long, but I always added one anyway.
Title: Re: The Apple Ads - Love 'em or Hate 'em?
Post by: Sharktopus on December 17, 2006, 10:55:58 AM
Shows you how much attention I pay to Macs.
Title: Re: The Apple Ads - Love 'em or Hate 'em?
Post by: Teaflax on December 17, 2006, 12:30:25 PM
I don't know why they went without a two button mouse for so long

Evidently, the bugbear was "simplicity". Less interface clutter was supposed to make things more accessible, and while that is often true, it is also bad interface design to let one item do too many different things. It's one area where Apple should have wised up more than a decade ago. Glad to hear it's now standard.
Title: Re: The Apple Ads - Love 'em or Hate 'em?
Post by: PJD on December 17, 2006, 03:34:26 PM
I was reffering to specifically to artists and musicians as being morons and flakes,

Which kind of disqualified you from being taken seriously.
No it doesn't, anybody whos ever spend any real amount of time with either group knows it's true.
Title: Re: The Apple Ads - Love 'em or Hate 'em?
Post by: Teaflax on December 17, 2006, 03:50:56 PM
I was reffering to specifically to artists and musicians as being morons and flakes,

Which kind of disqualified you from being taken seriously.
No it doesn't, anybody whos ever spend any real amount of time with either group knows it's true.

Got yer tenses a little mixed up there, bucko. You're already on the bench. Feel free to try again next time and thanks for playing.
Title: Re: The Apple Ads - Love 'em or Hate 'em?
Post by: PJD on December 17, 2006, 05:49:25 PM
I was reffering to specifically to artists and musicians as being morons and flakes,

Which kind of disqualified you from being taken seriously.
No it doesn't, anybody whos ever spend any real amount of time with either group knows it's true.


Got yer tenses a little mixed up there, bucko. You're already on the bench. Feel free to try again next time and thanks for playing.
Can't argue with the logic so go after the grammar, nice approach.
Title: Re: The Apple Ads - Love 'em or Hate 'em?
Post by: Teaflax on December 18, 2006, 03:03:45 AM

Can't argue with the logic so go after the grammar, nice approach.

Please. You're waking the children.
Title: Re: The Apple Ads - Love 'em or Hate 'em?
Post by: kodiakthejuggler on December 21, 2006, 03:38:19 PM
On the subject of Mac vs. PC...


If a program freezes in OSX, you can simply tell it to "Force Quit", thus quitting the program immediately and losing any unsaved files in the process. On the PC side, in Windows XP Home, if a program freezes, or is not responding, you can "End Task". Yet, it doesn't quit. It still hangs. It freezes, and doesn't quit. WHY IS THIS?? Are you telling me I have to wait until Windows is good and ready to quit? There is nothing more annoying to me than when something doesn't work. I am also one of the most impatient persons you're likely to meet. If a program freezes, and I get tired of waiting for it to unfreeze, I expect to be able to quit the program immediately, and start over. Windows XP Home won't let me do that. It just continues to say "Program Not Responding", and when you hit Ctrl/Alt/Del, and the Windows Task Manager pops up, and you tell it to "End Task", and another dialog box pops up asking you if you want to "End Task", and you click the button to end task, it doesn't end task. It stays frozen, thus sending me into a frenzy of profanity-laced screaming and flailing about.

Why can't it just quit when I tell it to quit? Why must my PC's hardware take a beating because the software is pissing me off??

Honestly, WHY???????????????????

Title: Re: The Apple Ads - Love 'em or Hate 'em?
Post by: J-Proof on December 21, 2006, 04:45:45 PM
Here's the end argument....

Sure, so maybe PC is dorkier than Mac - but Mac was Britney Spears' boyfriend in "Crossroads" so I think he deserves /much/ less respect than PC.

END
Title: Re: The Apple Ads - Love 'em or Hate 'em?
Post by: AmandaGal on December 21, 2006, 05:46:22 PM
Oh my, you're right.  I knew I recognized him from somewhere in Crossroads but I couldn't figure out where.

That makes Mac so much worse now.  He actually wanted to do Britney Spears. ICK!  PC would never want that!  What's worse is, Britney actually turned him down.  How awful do you have to be for K-fed to rank higher you? [/pretending movies and TV are actually real life...heck, Twitney's real life isn't even real life]
Title: Re: The Apple Ads - Love 'em or Hate 'em?
Post by: J-Proof on December 22, 2006, 09:50:57 AM
I wonder what PC has been in in his previous acting life...I'll ask DisembAudio and see if he knows
Title: Re: The Apple Ads - Love 'em or Hate 'em?
Post by: torgosPizza on December 22, 2006, 11:06:20 AM
I drive a 16 year old station wagon.  So i guess I have a olde time IBM pc with the phosphorus green monitor and a copy of Oregon Trail.

And died from Tuberculosis???  :(
Title: Re: The Apple Ads - Love 'em or Hate 'em?
Post by: SmilinJackRoss on December 22, 2006, 11:59:07 AM
*Wanders innocently into thread*

Wow, there's some animosity towards Mac users that I didn't really know existed.  I'm a Mac user, but I don't think that I'm smug about it...I like PCs just fine (hell, I use one at work every day).

But I love my Mac. I use it primarily for my media, like movies, music, etc.  I love making DVDs of my family and friends, and all this software came right with my Mac, no third party/after-market software needed.  And it's very intuitive.  After pricing out Macs and PCs (+ software), I thought that the Mac was a better fit for me.  And I don't regret it for a second.  My Mac works...and in the end, that all I really want it to do.  I don't give two shits about any image it gives me, positive or negative.
Title: Re: The Apple Ads - Love 'em or Hate 'em?
Post by: Nunyerbiz on December 22, 2006, 12:25:33 PM
On the subject of Mac vs. PC...


If a program freezes in OSX, you can simply tell it to "Force Quit", thus quitting the program immediately and losing any unsaved files in the process. On the PC side, in Windows XP Home, if a program freezes, or is not responding, you can "End Task". Yet, it doesn't quit. It still hangs. It freezes, and doesn't quit. WHY IS THIS?? Are you telling me I have to wait until Windows is good and ready to quit? There is nothing more annoying to me than when something doesn't work. I am also one of the most impatient persons you're likely to meet. If a program freezes, and I get tired of waiting for it to unfreeze, I expect to be able to quit the program immediately, and start over. Windows XP Home won't let me do that. It just continues to say "Program Not Responding", and when you hit Ctrl/Alt/Del, and the Windows Task Manager pops up, and you tell it to "End Task", and another dialog box pops up asking you if you want to "End Task", and you click the button to end task, it doesn't end task. It stays frozen, thus sending me into a frenzy of profanity-laced screaming and flailing about.

Why can't it just quit when I tell it to quit? Why must my PC's hardware take a beating because the software is pissing me off??

Honestly, WHY???????????????????



While defintely an issue with older versions of Windows, I really haven't had many issues with killing frozen programs under Windows XP. Sure, once in a blue moon I'll get something that just totally gums up the works and forces me to just shut the thing down... but it's very rare. I think it's only happened a handful of times on my home PC and the last time I rebuilt it was over 3 years ago. After being a longtime Microsoft critic as far as OS stability, I don't have any major gripes with the XP platform.
Title: Re: The Apple Ads - Love 'em or Hate 'em?
Post by: PJD on December 22, 2006, 12:32:03 PM
On the subject of Mac vs. PC...


If a program freezes in OSX, you can simply tell it to "Force Quit", thus quitting the program immediately and losing any unsaved files in the process. On the PC side, in Windows XP Home, if a program freezes, or is not responding, you can "End Task". Yet, it doesn't quit. It still hangs. It freezes, and doesn't quit. WHY IS THIS?? Are you telling me I have to wait until Windows is good and ready to quit? There is nothing more annoying to me than when something doesn't work. I am also one of the most impatient persons you're likely to meet. If a program freezes, and I get tired of waiting for it to unfreeze, I expect to be able to quit the program immediately, and start over. Windows XP Home won't let me do that. It just continues to say "Program Not Responding", and when you hit Ctrl/Alt/Del, and the Windows Task Manager pops up, and you tell it to "End Task", and another dialog box pops up asking you if you want to "End Task", and you click the button to end task, it doesn't end task. It stays frozen, thus sending me into a frenzy of profanity-laced screaming and flailing about.

Why can't it just quit when I tell it to quit? Why must my PC's hardware take a beating because the software is pissing me off??

Honestly, WHY???????????????????



While defintely an issue with older versions of Windows, I really haven't had many issues with killing frozen programs under Windows XP. Sure, once in a blue moon I'll get something that just totally gums up the works and forces me to just shut the thing down... but it's very rare. I think it's only happened a handful of times on my home PC and the last time I rebuilt it was over 3 years ago. After being a longtime Microsoft critic as far as OS stability, I don't have any major gripes with the XP platform.
I think most of those issues happen when you don't have enough RAM. Seems that way from my experience.That only happens to me if I use a few programs that are real resource hogs at the same time or right after one another without rebooting. Like multitrack audio programs or DVD ripping programs.
Title: Re: The Apple Ads - Love 'em or Hate 'em?
Post by: kodiakthejuggler on December 22, 2006, 12:39:09 PM
On the subject of Mac vs. PC...


If a program freezes in OSX, you can simply tell it to "Force Quit", thus quitting the program immediately and losing any unsaved files in the process. On the PC side, in Windows XP Home, if a program freezes, or is not responding, you can "End Task". Yet, it doesn't quit. It still hangs. It freezes, and doesn't quit. WHY IS THIS?? Are you telling me I have to wait until Windows is good and ready to quit? There is nothing more annoying to me than when something doesn't work. I am also one of the most impatient persons you're likely to meet. If a program freezes, and I get tired of waiting for it to unfreeze, I expect to be able to quit the program immediately, and start over. Windows XP Home won't let me do that. It just continues to say "Program Not Responding", and when you hit Ctrl/Alt/Del, and the Windows Task Manager pops up, and you tell it to "End Task", and another dialog box pops up asking you if you want to "End Task", and you click the button to end task, it doesn't end task. It stays frozen, thus sending me into a frenzy of profanity-laced screaming and flailing about.

Why can't it just quit when I tell it to quit? Why must my PC's hardware take a beating because the software is pissing me off??

Honestly, WHY???????????????????



While defintely an issue with older versions of Windows, I really haven't had many issues with killing frozen programs under Windows XP. Sure, once in a blue moon I'll get something that just totally gums up the works and forces me to just shut the thing down... but it's very rare. I think it's only happened a handful of times on my home PC and the last time I rebuilt it was over 3 years ago. After being a longtime Microsoft critic as far as OS stability, I don't have any major gripes with the XP platform.
I think most of those issues happen when you don't have enough RAM. Seems that way from my experience.That only happens to me if I use a few programs that are real resource hogs at the same time or right after one another without rebooting. Like multitrack audio programs or DVD ripping programs.

Thing is, I've got a Gig of RAM, and in the Task Manager, the RAM usage is never past half. My PC is almost 2 years old, but it's no slouch.

I built it myself, using an AMD Athlon 2100+ processor, Soyo Dragon Lite Motherboard, 1GIG of ram (2 x 512 sticks), ATi Radeon 9800 Pro 128MB video card, 350Watt Power supply, and 60 & 80 Gig ATA hard drives.
Title: Re: The Apple Ads - Love 'em or Hate 'em?
Post by: PJD on December 30, 2006, 07:37:50 AM
On the subject of Mac vs. PC...


If a program freezes in OSX, you can simply tell it to "Force Quit", thus quitting the program immediately and losing any unsaved files in the process. On the PC side, in Windows XP Home, if a program freezes, or is not responding, you can "End Task". Yet, it doesn't quit. It still hangs. It freezes, and doesn't quit. WHY IS THIS?? Are you telling me I have to wait until Windows is good and ready to quit? There is nothing more annoying to me than when something doesn't work. I am also one of the most impatient persons you're likely to meet. If a program freezes, and I get tired of waiting for it to unfreeze, I expect to be able to quit the program immediately, and start over. Windows XP Home won't let me do that. It just continues to say "Program Not Responding", and when you hit Ctrl/Alt/Del, and the Windows Task Manager pops up, and you tell it to "End Task", and another dialog box pops up asking you if you want to "End Task", and you click the button to end task, it doesn't end task. It stays frozen, thus sending me into a frenzy of profanity-laced screaming and flailing about.

Why can't it just quit when I tell it to quit? Why must my PC's hardware take a beating because the software is pissing me off??

Honestly, WHY???????????????????



While defintely an issue with older versions of Windows, I really haven't had many issues with killing frozen programs under Windows XP. Sure, once in a blue moon I'll get something that just totally gums up the works and forces me to just shut the thing down... but it's very rare. I think it's only happened a handful of times on my home PC and the last time I rebuilt it was over 3 years ago. After being a longtime Microsoft critic as far as OS stability, I don't have any major gripes with the XP platform.
I think most of those issues happen when you don't have enough RAM. Seems that way from my experience.That only happens to me if I use a few programs that are real resource hogs at the same time or right after one another without rebooting. Like multitrack audio programs or DVD ripping programs.

Thing is, I've got a Gig of RAM, and in the Task Manager, the RAM usage is never past half. My PC is almost 2 years old, but it's no slouch.

I built it myself, using an AMD Athlon 2100+ processor, Soyo Dragon Lite Motherboard, 1GIG of ram (2 x 512 sticks), ATi Radeon 9800 Pro 128MB video card, 350Watt Power supply, and 60 & 80 Gig ATA hard drives.
Yeah dude, thats fucked up. I got no ideas what causes that!
Title: Re: The Apple Ads - Love 'em or Hate 'em?
Post by: gbeenie on January 28, 2007, 09:16:07 AM
My main problem with the ads is that they perpetuate the stereotype of the smug, self-satisfied Mac user. Don't get me wrong, there ARE people like that, but the people I know who use Macs come from a pretty wide variety of backgrounds, and not just the cooler-than-thou Generation-Y hipster portrayed in the ads. In fact, the biggest Mac booster I know is a middle-aged woman.

As for me, I built my last couple of PCs from scratch, primarily with used components. I don't see that as a HUGE option in a Mac environment.
Title: Re: The Apple Ads - Love 'em or Hate 'em?
Post by: gbeenie on January 28, 2007, 09:22:28 AM
Maybe PC's have more software, but is that the Mac's fault?  The reason PC's have more software is that the developers don't have the balls to release stuff for Mac.  It's the same reason you don't see a lot of stuff for Linux.

I love this kind of nonsense. All quality and merit issues aside, the consumer base for Macs is simply not large enough to justify the expense for most software companies. Developers "don't have the balls" to want to NOT MAKE MONEY? Yeah, those guys suck.

p.s. The reason there's not more software for Linux is that it's an OS exclusively for hackers and pirates, and the "everything should be free of charge" attitude of its adherents pretty much guarantees that no company in its right mind will attempt to make money off it.
Title: Re: The Apple Ads - Love 'em or Hate 'em?
Post by: gbeenie on January 28, 2007, 09:25:24 AM
jealous much?  ;D Actually I'm using a mac (with my pc on in the back round) 8) Dont own a ipod though. Never understood why people dont have both, if not for the although macs are really expensive, no other reason not to get one though?
I can see absolutely no reason to buy a Mac, as it would introduce new problems and fail to solve any. Also, iTunes pisses me off.

iTunes USED to piss me off. Then I got an iPod, and the software suddenly MADE SENSE. But, if you don't have an iPod, there is NO reason whatsoever to have iTunes. If you've got an actual Sound Blaster, you can download media software from Creative's site that works GREAT.
Title: Re: The Apple Ads - Love 'em or Hate 'em?
Post by: gbeenie on January 28, 2007, 09:27:40 AM
rifftrax = pc users =)

And to be honest - PCs have been able to handle the work we do with more efficiency than MACs (we've tried both) otherwise we'd be using macs. Of course, different people use em for different reasons.

Exactly. I don't hate Macs at all; I just don't have a particular use for one.
Title: Re: The Apple Ads - Love 'em or Hate 'em?
Post by: gbeenie on January 28, 2007, 09:30:59 AM
Those ads are annoying as heck, but the more people buy Macs, the more viruses and spyware will start shifting in their direction and away from us PC users:)

Actually, the reason Macs have been relatively virus-free is not just a smaller user base, they are intrinsically safer, and always have been.

You realize, of course, that you've just thrown down the gauntlet in front of virus writers everywhere. :)

(but seriously, does anyone here actually know any virus writers? I'd love to have the experience of chopping off the hands of at least ONE of those assholes before I die)
Title: Re: The Apple Ads - Love 'em or Hate 'em?
Post by: gbeenie on January 28, 2007, 09:41:56 AM
On the subject of Mac vs. PC...


If a program freezes in OSX, you can simply tell it to "Force Quit", thus quitting the program immediately and losing any unsaved files in the process. On the PC side, in Windows XP Home, if a program freezes, or is not responding, you can "End Task". Yet, it doesn't quit. It still hangs. It freezes, and doesn't quit. WHY IS THIS?? Are you telling me I have to wait until Windows is good and ready to quit? There is nothing more annoying to me than when something doesn't work. I am also one of the most impatient persons you're likely to meet. If a program freezes, and I get tired of waiting for it to unfreeze, I expect to be able to quit the program immediately, and start over. Windows XP Home won't let me do that. It just continues to say "Program Not Responding", and when you hit Ctrl/Alt/Del, and the Windows Task Manager pops up, and you tell it to "End Task", and another dialog box pops up asking you if you want to "End Task", and you click the button to end task, it doesn't end task. It stays frozen, thus sending me into a frenzy of profanity-laced screaming and flailing about.

Why can't it just quit when I tell it to quit? Why must my PC's hardware take a beating because the software is pissing me off??

Honestly, WHY???????????????????



While defintely an issue with older versions of Windows, I really haven't had many issues with killing frozen programs under Windows XP. Sure, once in a blue moon I'll get something that just totally gums up the works and forces me to just shut the thing down... but it's very rare. I think it's only happened a handful of times on my home PC and the last time I rebuilt it was over 3 years ago. After being a longtime Microsoft critic as far as OS stability, I don't have any major gripes with the XP platform.

Yeah, I had a lot of stability problems with 98, but in the couple of years I've been using XP Pro, I've had virtually no issues with that at all. Not a single dreaded Blue Screen of Death, not one time.
Title: Re: The Apple Ads - Love 'em or Hate 'em?
Post by: gbeenie on January 28, 2007, 09:43:41 AM
On the subject of Mac vs. PC...


If a program freezes in OSX, you can simply tell it to "Force Quit", thus quitting the program immediately and losing any unsaved files in the process. On the PC side, in Windows XP Home, if a program freezes, or is not responding, you can "End Task". Yet, it doesn't quit. It still hangs. It freezes, and doesn't quit. WHY IS THIS?? Are you telling me I have to wait until Windows is good and ready to quit? There is nothing more annoying to me than when something doesn't work. I am also one of the most impatient persons you're likely to meet. If a program freezes, and I get tired of waiting for it to unfreeze, I expect to be able to quit the program immediately, and start over. Windows XP Home won't let me do that. It just continues to say "Program Not Responding", and when you hit Ctrl/Alt/Del, and the Windows Task Manager pops up, and you tell it to "End Task", and another dialog box pops up asking you if you want to "End Task", and you click the button to end task, it doesn't end task. It stays frozen, thus sending me into a frenzy of profanity-laced screaming and flailing about.

Why can't it just quit when I tell it to quit? Why must my PC's hardware take a beating because the software is pissing me off??

Honestly, WHY???????????????????



While defintely an issue with older versions of Windows, I really haven't had many issues with killing frozen programs under Windows XP. Sure, once in a blue moon I'll get something that just totally gums up the works and forces me to just shut the thing down... but it's very rare. I think it's only happened a handful of times on my home PC and the last time I rebuilt it was over 3 years ago. After being a longtime Microsoft critic as far as OS stability, I don't have any major gripes with the XP platform.
I think most of those issues happen when you don't have enough RAM. Seems that way from my experience.That only happens to me if I use a few programs that are real resource hogs at the same time or right after one another without rebooting. Like multitrack audio programs or DVD ripping programs.

Or iTunes. :)

Sorry; I had to say it.

I love it for my iPod, but it's a resource hog.
Title: Re: The Apple Ads - Love 'em or Hate 'em?
Post by: AmandaGal on January 28, 2007, 12:03:40 PM
You realize, of course, that you've just thrown down the gauntlet in front of virus writers everywhere. :)

(but seriously, does anyone here actually know any virus writers? I'd love to have the experience of chopping off the hands of at least ONE of those assholes before I die)

I've never written a virus but I do admit that I used to be a script kiddie and I have used them to play with many a folks (hmm, is the feds I hear knocking? JK, they don't care about the likes of me).  I always thought it was dumb to reinvent the wheel when there were so many fun viruses floating about that could easily be modded to your likes but I knew some guys who wanted the fame that came with inventing a virus.  I wonder where they are? Probably their mom's basement.  I was more into hostile takeovers than virus stuff.   I feel bad calling myself a script kiddie now with the current batch of hosers around.  Back in my day, even script kiddies had an IQ bigger than shoe size and I only messed with people who pissed me off.  :D

Before you judge, you guys probably went out drinking and having sex to rebel.  We all gotta have our fun and let our teen angst out.  I could easily get hundreds machines with a virus these days but where's the fun in that?  Every computer I've ever fixed for a friend has at least one so it's really no challenge.  I honestly don't think I could hit a website, chatroom or BBS anymore.  I haven't kept up my mad skillz and things are way more secure these days.
Title: Re: The Apple Ads - Love 'em or Hate 'em?
Post by: gbeenie on January 28, 2007, 05:08:31 PM
You realize, of course, that you've just thrown down the gauntlet in front of virus writers everywhere. :)

(but seriously, does anyone here actually know any virus writers? I'd love to have the experience of chopping off the hands of at least ONE of those assholes before I die)

I've never written a virus but I do admit that I used to be a script kiddie and I have used them to play with many a folks (hmm, is the feds I hear knocking? JK, they don't care about the likes of me).  I always thought it was dumb to reinvent the wheel when there were so many fun viruses floating about that could easily be modded to your likes but I knew some guys who wanted the fame that came with inventing a virus.  I wonder where they are? Probably their mom's basement.  I was more into hostile takeovers than virus stuff.   I feel bad calling myself a script kiddie now with the current batch of hosers around.  Back in my day, even script kiddies had an IQ bigger than shoe size and I only messed with people who pissed me off.  :D

Before you judge, you guys probably went out drinking and having sex to rebel.  We all gotta have our fun and let our teen angst out.  I could easily get hundreds machines with a virus these days but where's the fun in that?  Every computer I've ever fixed for a friend has at least one so it's really no challenge.  I honestly don't think I could hit a website, chatroom or BBS anymore.  I haven't kept up my mad skillz and things are way more secure these days.

Fear not; I shan't judge you for your misspent youth.  :)

Besides, I think people who learned a lot of that stuff in the early days of modern computing at least have the excuse of being on the front edge of the learning curve for something new and novel.
Title: Re: The Apple Ads - Love 'em or Hate 'em?
Post by: Thom_Serveaux on January 28, 2007, 10:42:40 PM
I'd just like to remind everyone of this... http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3035812460445736948&q=mst3k (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3035812460445736948&q=mst3k)
Title: Re: The Apple Ads - Love 'em or Hate 'em?
Post by: gbeenie on January 29, 2007, 06:44:34 PM
I'd just like to remind everyone of this... http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3035812460445736948&q=mst3k (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3035812460445736948&q=mst3k)

GREAT bit.  :)
Title: Re: The Apple Ads - Love 'em or Hate 'em?
Post by: Thom_Serveaux on January 29, 2007, 06:47:18 PM
Yeah, I hadn't seen this in a while myself, but this thread brought it all back... ...good times...
Title: Re: The Apple Ads - Love 'em or Hate 'em?
Post by: Road_Element on January 31, 2007, 10:27:50 PM
http://www.youtube.com/v/JrfFluTQj2E
Title: Re: The Apple Ads - Love 'em or Hate 'em?
Post by: kodiakthejuggler on February 01, 2007, 09:27:04 AM
http://www.youtube.com/v/JrfFluTQj2E

FUNNY!!

That guy on the right is great! The blooper reel was awesome.
Title: Re: The Apple Ads - Love 'em or Hate 'em?
Post by: BathTub on February 01, 2007, 11:15:01 AM
same guy isn't it?
Title: Re: The Apple Ads - Love 'em or Hate 'em?
Post by: Road_Element on February 01, 2007, 12:45:43 PM
Yeah its the same guy. His name on Youtube is DCLugi (aka Dave Coyne) and hes one hell of an impressionist/comedian. He dose one hell of a Christopher Walken. Anyways heres some more of his stuff.

http://www.youtube.com/v/9w0wyhNL18U
Title: Re: The Apple Ads - Love 'em or Hate 'em?
Post by: BathTub on February 01, 2007, 01:18:16 PM
hahaha not bad.
Title: Re: The Apple Ads - Love 'em or Hate 'em?
Post by: kodiakthejuggler on February 02, 2007, 03:09:45 PM
Bill Gates has something to say about the ads in this interview:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16934083/site/newsweek/

Go to page 2 for the skinny...


In one part of the interview, he states the argument that is being bandied about that Vista is just mimicing features already found in Mac's OSX is not valid, when you consider that Windows came up with the idea of the "file, edit, view, help" menu features in an operating system. In other words, they are the true innovators.

In my opinion, the very fact that Windows took so long to implement many of the visual features in Vista just to catch up to what OSX has already had for a while is unacceptable. Microsoft holds an almost immeasurable majority of the PC market share, and is one of the biggest companies anywhere. They have absolutely no excuse not to be the leader in EVERY ASPECT of Personal Computing innovation. They certainly have the customer base and resources to accomplish whatever they want.
Title: Re: The Apple Ads - Love 'em or Hate 'em?
Post by: kodiakthejuggler on February 08, 2007, 12:56:09 PM
There have been several new commercials released just recently, here's the latest:

http://images.apple.com/movies/us/apple/getamac/apple-getamac-security_480x376.mov


"Mac has issued a salutation. Cancel or Allow?"


*brilliant!!   ;D ;D