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Title: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: anais.jude on August 01, 2008, 04:49:33 PM
Anybody know when Lost is coming back? Fall or Spring?


anybody?
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: Bob on August 01, 2008, 04:53:17 PM
January 2009!
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: Chaos on August 01, 2008, 07:43:26 PM
Yep, just in time for me have to forgotten every damn thing that was supposed to be important or cool from the last 4 years. :(  :angry:
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: dignan on August 02, 2008, 07:37:53 AM
Yep, just in time for me have to forgotten every damn thing that was supposed to be important or cool from the last 4 years. :(  :angry:

Oh, p'shaw.  That's why they hold off on releasing Season 4 on DVD until December!  Perfect time to get a recap if you don't have the episodes still stored up on your DVRs! 
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: Chaos on August 02, 2008, 08:19:56 AM
I've never been one to pay to see TV shows.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: anais.jude on August 02, 2008, 04:45:02 PM
Well, we can put on our Lost nerdcaps, and you can ask us!
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: Mads13 on August 02, 2008, 08:58:44 PM
Yes yes. Ask away.  ;)
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: k1 on August 03, 2008, 10:47:53 AM
Is the smoke monster a side effect of Hurley & Dharma brand burritos?

(I can't wait for this season to start up)
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: iv3rdawG on November 20, 2008, 12:31:06 PM
For those of you who haven't seen, here's a TV spot for Season 5:

http://spoilerslost.blogspot.com/2008/10/first-real-promo-for-season-5.html
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: kodiakthejuggler on November 20, 2008, 03:28:50 PM
January can't come fast enough. I need my Evangeline Lilly fix!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: anais.jude on November 20, 2008, 03:59:24 PM
January can't come fast enough. I need my Evangeline Lilly fix!!!!!!!!

You could put a wig on a stick
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: Bob on November 20, 2008, 04:01:20 PM
January can't come fast enough. I need my Evangeline Lilly fix!!!!!!!!

You could put a wig on a stick

(http://thumbs.dreamstime.com/thumb_17/1123110330kexae9.jpg)
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: kodiakthejuggler on November 20, 2008, 09:51:31 PM
January can't come fast enough. I need my Evangeline Lilly fix!!!!!!!!

You could put a wig on a stick

My imagination isn't that good. Besides, we're not talking about Kiera Knightly.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: iv3rdawG on November 20, 2008, 09:58:41 PM
(http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/4863/season5sz9.jpg)
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: Chaos on November 21, 2008, 04:53:19 AM
I can't even remember anything that happened anymore. This show takes WAY too long between seasons. Despite my love for this show early on, I have virtually no excitement left for anything, because the momentum has been completely lost (no pun intended).
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: anais.jude on November 21, 2008, 05:23:43 AM
January can't come fast enough. I need my Evangeline Lilly fix!!!!!!!!

You could put a wig on a stick

My imagination isn't that good. Besides, we're not talking about Kiera Knightly.

OOOOOOOOH SNAP
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: SmilinJackRoss on November 21, 2008, 08:30:16 AM
First I gotta blaze through season 4 when it drops on DVD in a couple weeks.  Then I'll be properly amped up for season 5.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: bratpop on November 21, 2008, 09:24:03 AM
Okay, that could be a better poster. See, the ones on the right are clearly on an island, cos you can see a little bit of grass and water.

Locke is a freakin ZOMBIE.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: anais.jude on November 21, 2008, 10:26:44 AM
If Locke was a Zombie, this show would be off the hiz-ook!
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: kodiakthejuggler on November 21, 2008, 10:33:46 AM
If Locke was a Zombie, this show would be off the hiz-ook!

Who's to say what Locke can become, what with all the fanciful things happening on the island, and the mysterious circumstances surrounding every character's involvement with it. Hell, he shouldn't even be walking!

I am patiently awaiting the startling conclusion to this masterful mystery. BRING ON THE LOST, ABC!!!
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: Chaos on November 21, 2008, 11:50:34 AM
Really, isn't he kind of already a zombie? He got gutshotted, the wound is open, but he isn't hurt.

I say you he DAED!
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: kodiakthejuggler on November 22, 2008, 06:04:37 AM
Watched a "trailer" posted on Ain't it Cool News.com...  http://www.aintitcool.com/node/39197

It's really just a recap teaser that gets you ready for the return. The song on this video by The Fray is good, but the singer sucks beyond all comprehension. Honestly, hearing his voice makes me want to gouge my ears out with barbed wire.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: Bob on November 22, 2008, 06:21:14 AM
After watching that trailer, I do not remember most of that happening.   It has been a LONG time between seasons and they need to put together at least one, one hour recap show to catch up everyone.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: Chaos on November 22, 2008, 08:47:05 AM
If I had a time machine, I would use it to gather up all the episodes of great shows so I could watch them all at once the first time through. And to kill hippies (naturally).
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: iv3rdawG on December 02, 2008, 05:55:01 PM
2 minutes from the premiere:

http://www.youtube.com/v/U2kjlOG1yRo&hl=en&fs=1
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on December 02, 2008, 06:14:12 PM
Wow!  That was boring and pointless.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: bratpop on December 02, 2008, 08:57:18 PM
I think I'll save my boredom for January.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: jewishcarpenter on December 16, 2008, 12:46:00 PM
http://www.youtube.com/v/BmYHHdPq6EQ&hl=en&fs=1
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: dignan on December 16, 2008, 12:48:51 PM
Can't wait!  Well actually I suppose I can, I just don't want to wait. 
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: k1 on December 16, 2008, 12:51:45 PM
Here's hoping that there isn't another strike next month.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: iv3rdawG on December 19, 2008, 04:38:06 PM
http://www.youtube.com/v/BmYHHdPq6EQ&color1=0xb1b1b1&color2=0xcfcfcf&feature=player_embedded&fs=1
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: MrTorso on December 19, 2008, 04:51:47 PM
After watching that trailer, I do not remember most of that happening.   It has been a LONG time between seasons and they need to put together at least one, one hour recap show to catch up everyone.

They did have a recap show before the Season 3 and Season 4 premieres. I am sure they will for this one too.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: iv3rdawG on December 30, 2008, 01:40:16 PM
Another promo:

http://www.youtube.com/v/bXAz78Rhguo&hl=en&fs=1
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: SmilinJackRoss on January 14, 2009, 02:28:35 PM
One more week:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: dangfish on January 14, 2009, 02:45:16 PM
One more week:


Can't wait!!  I have more than enough shows to keep me busy, but I don't look forward to any of them more than Lost. Most other programs I usually Tivo and then watch at a later date. With Lost, I can't wait. Have to watch it immediately!
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: ImOscardotcom on January 20, 2009, 04:16:02 PM
Starts tomorrow night! FINALLY!
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: TheUnabeefer on January 20, 2009, 04:32:33 PM
I already have Season 5 pre-ordered from Amazon!   WOOOO!!!!
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: iv3rdawG on January 20, 2009, 08:04:15 PM
TOMORROW :highfive:
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: k1 on January 21, 2009, 04:01:17 AM
TOMORROW :highfive:

Today!
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: bratpop on January 21, 2009, 05:06:38 PM
If the ending to this show is anything like the dream I had about the ending to this show... I expect it won't make any difference to anyone but me.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: iv3rdawG on January 21, 2009, 07:15:36 PM
LOST
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: MrTorso on January 21, 2009, 11:14:07 PM
Good gravy! That was a whole lot of LOST! You got time travel, you got special people, you got old ladies and swinging chalk pendulums! You got Cheech in a bad rug, you got a bunch of shirtless Sawyer... Yikes!

Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: bratpop on January 22, 2009, 03:13:48 AM
A little disappointed with the second "episode," it was a bit slow. Loved the cameos. Libby says hi. I see a new spinoff - Ghost Cop!
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: k1 on January 22, 2009, 04:20:59 AM
My uneducated guess:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: bratpop on January 22, 2009, 04:32:29 AM
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: MrTorso on January 22, 2009, 06:06:44 AM
Do we need spoiler tags in this thread? As long as its just your own theories and not actual spoilers (from spoiler sites etc) about upcoming episodes? It will get real tiring real quick to try to read this thread.

Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: Grillslinger on January 22, 2009, 06:10:35 AM
I think theories are fine.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: SmilinJackRoss on January 22, 2009, 07:04:00 AM
The first scene with the drill operator...did he have like a seizure or something?  Do you think this relates to Faraday's assumption that you can't change anything, "it" wont let you?  So, if they find (and presumably wreck) the "big lever room", that would mess with the space-time line, and so instead the drill melted and the operator was injured?  Or is that room actually physically protected with a barrier of some kind?

Oh, and this also means that the "big lever room" wasn't installed by the Dharma Initiative like all the other bunkers and things were.  So who put it there?  And when?
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: dignan on January 22, 2009, 09:21:39 AM
Fantastic.  Just, fantastic.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: SaucyRossy on January 22, 2009, 02:43:59 PM
Since theories are ok....here is mine.

This is my first time putting one of my theories out there so be gentle :).
Oceanic Six, the Island's constants
We all know of the need for a constant when a person becomes unstuck in time. A constant that is outside of the effects of the person who has become unstuck in time. In Desmonds case he was able to use Penny because his conciousness was slipping in time and Penny was some one that was a live and known to him in the time line he was traveling thru (1996-present).

Ben has made it clear to Jack that they ALL need to go back to save the ones they left. In my opinion it is because they are connected to the group that is unstuck in time, they can be their PHYSICAL constants. It is similar to what happened to Desmond in that they are time traveling but they are physically traveling through time as opposed to just their conciousness. This is the same for the Island, Faraday said that it could be the island that is unstuck or it could be them. By the end of the first episode it seems clear that it is them BUT in my opinion its BOTH. The Island is unstuck and is only able to go into its past. It is no longer part of the PRESENT because as everyone that was off of the island when Ben turned the wheel we saw that the island literally disappeared from the present and was ‘moved’. But as Faraday said about the camp site, it’s not gone, it’s just not their yet. So the Island is currently ‘moved’ or gone but it can be returned to the present with a constant.

So for the Island and the ones left behind to be able to come back into the present they need the oceanic six to come back (since they were on the Island in the past and are connected to the ones that are unstuck in time) and be their physical constants to bring them to the present time line.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: Chaos on January 22, 2009, 06:21:14 PM
Seems plausible to me.

I think it's pretty obvious that the old woman from the end of the second episode is either Faraday's mother or someone who was working with him - she was doing the same sort of calculations that Faraday was trying to get started on to figure out when / where jumps were going to occur (or maybe even when the whole matrix was going to collapse for good and leave no more opening to return).

Pretty good episodes... though it was a little hard to jump back in because I don't remember half of what's happened, they did a good job of jumping right into the action instead of spending a whole episode doing jack shit, which is what most shows usually do. The first episode in particular was really well written, I was surprised when the 45 minutes were up because I got so involved I had no idea the episode was about to end. :)
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: gbeenie on January 22, 2009, 10:45:41 PM
I'm not sure who she is in the larger sense, but that's the woman who sold Desmond the ring for Penny a long time ago.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: bratpop on January 22, 2009, 11:52:07 PM
That was the old time-travel-expert lady that Desmond met in his time-travelling flashbacks.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: Chaos on January 23, 2009, 07:50:24 AM
I'm not sure who she is in the larger sense, but that's the woman who sold Desmond the ring for Penny a long time ago.

Yes, Susan said so while we were watching too. She's much better at remembering faces than I am.

Seriously, we'll be watching some random show like House and she'll look at the guest star and go "I know that guy...", 5 seconds will pass, and then she'll say, "Oh yeah, he was in an episode of North of 60... the one where the crooks were robbing a bunch of shops in town." And she's NEVER WRONG. Most useless mutant power ever. ;)
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: iv3rdawG on January 23, 2009, 08:37:53 PM
Ah..it's good to have Lost back. Two fantastic episodes :clap:
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: pezdrake on January 27, 2009, 12:13:14 PM
I was very pleased.  Not at all the let-down I had feared.  I don't have any theories.  I prefer just to sit back and enjoy the ride, though I enjoy reading everyone else's theories.  My fiance is full of them. 
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: no_springs on January 27, 2009, 05:57:16 PM
I might be a little late for this, but they seem to be implying that John Locke is only mostly dead.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: k1 on January 28, 2009, 07:03:33 AM
I might be a little late for this, but they seem to be implying that John Locke is only mostly dead.

He's feeling quite better!  He'll be walking by morning!
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: SmilinJackRoss on January 28, 2009, 07:49:50 AM
Turns out I have a business dinner tonight, so I'll be missing Lost.  Anyone know if they re-air the episodes any other time in the next week?  I know I can watch it online, but I want to watch it on my big screen if at all possible.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: ImOscardotcom on January 28, 2009, 08:06:20 AM
I believe they re-air the previous episode right before the new one.  So you're safe.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: k1 on January 28, 2009, 08:08:23 AM
I believe they re-air the previous episode right before the new one.  So you're safe.

Sometimes they do over the weekend as well.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: k1 on January 28, 2009, 08:20:30 AM
This could make watching season 5 of Lost even more fun than it will be.  The Lost season 5 Fantasy League.  Read up on it here:

http://darkufo.blogspot.com/2008/06/announcing-season-5-darkufo-lost.html (http://darkufo.blogspot.com/2008/06/announcing-season-5-darkufo-lost.html)

I'm in the Spoilerfix league.  Sign up and we can compare our scores from week to week.  If enough people sign up maybe we can have our own little contest to see who gets the highest score on the board.  The prize could be a Rifftrax gift certificate.  Just a thought.  Anyway, sign up!



I'm in 684th place!
http://darkufo.blogspot.com/2009/01/lost-fantasy-league-week-1-update.html#comments
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: dangfish on January 28, 2009, 12:20:51 PM
That was the old time-travel-expert lady that Desmond met in his time-travelling flashbacks.

They weren't flashbacks. The producers said Desmond really went back in time, just like Sawyer and company are doing now. Time travel lady told Desmond that he couldn't propose to Penny becasue he was supposed to go to the island and press that button for three years or everyone was going to die. And now it seems she's basically saying everyone is  doomed if the oceanic six doesn't go back to the island. If someone doesn't follow their predetermined destiny than 'god help us all.'   Not only did time travel lady say 'god help us all' but dharma orientation film guy said the same thing at the beginning of the episode. He was referring to what would happen if we don't all follow the 'rules.'
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: iv3rdawG on January 28, 2009, 12:38:52 PM
Yeah I don't think ABC has anything that is playing on Weds. from 8-9 so there's a chance it could be on.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: pezdrake on January 28, 2009, 03:23:30 PM
ABC.com you can stream it in hi def and less commercials than live air to boot.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: dignan on January 28, 2009, 04:40:40 PM
This could make watching season 5 of Lost even more fun than it will be.  The Lost season 5 Fantasy League.  Read up on it here:

http://darkufo.blogspot.com/2008/06/announcing-season-5-darkufo-lost.html (http://darkufo.blogspot.com/2008/06/announcing-season-5-darkufo-lost.html)

I'm in the Spoilerfix league.  Sign up and we can compare our scores from week to week.  If enough people sign up maybe we can have our own little contest to see who gets the highest score on the board.  The prize could be a Rifftrax gift certificate.  Just a thought.  Anyway, sign up!



I'm in 684th place!
http://darkufo.blogspot.com/2009/01/lost-fantasy-league-week-1-update.html#comments


Holy crap!  I'm in 8th place! 
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: anais.jude on January 30, 2009, 07:04:59 AM
Damn that was a great episode. 45 min went by sooo quick!


and I am so happy Desmond and Penny are married with a baby...ph and they named it Charlie, that's sooo cute. I'll stop now
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: mrbasehart on January 30, 2009, 07:13:53 AM
I just caught up on the new series.  I'm loving it so far -- it feels like things are about to be explained, though it's probably just some sort of tease.  I think it's also done a good job of building up the newer characters that were introduced in the previous season, only if they decide to make us upset about killing them off straight away.

Oh, and this also means that the "big lever room" wasn't installed by the Dharma Initiative like all the other bunkers and things were.  So who put it there?  And when?

It looks like a big ship's wheel to me.  Perhaps from the Black Rock?
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: mrbasehart on January 30, 2009, 09:30:05 AM
On another, minor, note: Anybody think that Dharma Video Host Guy could be Asian Psychic Guy's father? They showed DVHG taking care of a baby, and you know Lost likes its secret relatives.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: iv3rdawG on January 30, 2009, 02:03:53 PM
I really liked this new episode. Faraday is becoming a better character with each episode and I found it really good even without the Oceanic 6 storyline. Hopefully the rest of the Island-only and Oceanic 6-only episodes work as well as this one.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: Chaos on January 30, 2009, 03:09:44 PM
On another, minor, note: Anybody think that Dharma Video Host Guy could be Asian Psychic Guy's father? They showed DVHG taking care of a baby, and you know Lost likes its secret relatives.

Oh my god, my wife and I were JUST talking about this in the car today. We thought the same thing! Especially with the revelation about Whitmore in Wednesday's episode. You know how much LOST loves having unexpected connections between the characters... I think it's certainly plausible (and might partially explain his powers, too).
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: bratpop on January 30, 2009, 10:55:50 PM
Who cares who's related to whom? Besides George Lucas and his right hand.

Why do they have to create more questions than they answer? It is mathematically impossible to ever solve the mysteries of Lost.

Oh that's right... they're going to "bury" the bomb so people forget about it and then blow up the island in the last episode.

Until the "Return To Lost Island" reunion special 10 years later.

I am really pissed that Locke made Widmore kill his buddy. That was my grandfather, and now I've never been born. Thanks a lot, Locke.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: The Lady Rommel on January 31, 2009, 10:21:32 AM
I remember when Lost first started, I was obsessed with figuring it out.  Even kept notes in a journal.

Gave that up at the end of season 2.  Don't look for the numbers in every episode now and worry about realations.  I just watch and enjoy the show.

It's a lot more relaxing
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: pezdrake on January 31, 2009, 04:30:31 PM
I remember when Lost first started, I was obsessed with figuring it out.  Even kept notes in a journal.

Gave that up at the end of season 2.  Don't look for the numbers in every episode now and worry about realations.  I just watch and enjoy the show.

It's a lot more relaxing
I agree.  Now, that being said...

My fiance has had a theory since Charlie died that he was the original "musician" that programmed the underwater computer somehow.  (Remember how he knew just when to start the notes in the song that was the computer password?) 

It would be interesting if OUR Charlie were Des and Penny's kid somehow but since we already know that Charlie grew up with a brother in the UK that doesn't seem likely. 

Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: Nick on February 04, 2009, 07:06:49 PM
New episode of Lost tonight.

Spoilers.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: k1 on February 04, 2009, 08:21:27 PM
New episode of Lost tonight.

Spoilers.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)



"What a twist!"  Who didn't see that one coming from a mile away?  Tonights wasn't as good as the others this season (in my opinion).  It was bound to happen eventually.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: TheUnabeefer on February 04, 2009, 11:20:42 PM
New episode of Lost tonight.

Spoilers.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)



"What a twist!"  Who didn't see that one coming from a mile away?  Tonights wasn't as good as the others this season (in my opinion).  It was bound to happen eventually.

Tonight's episode is what I call "filler"  not filler in the "useless" sense, but it gets us to where we need to be for the awesome episodes that usually come around episode 7-8 in the season.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: pezdrake on February 05, 2009, 05:26:09 AM
On another, minor, note: Anybody think that Dharma Video Host Guy could be Asian Psychic Guy's father? They showed DVHG taking care of a baby, and you know Lost likes its secret relatives.

This theory got a boost last night!
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: pezdrake on February 05, 2009, 05:32:12 AM
Tonight's episode is what I call "filler"  not filler in the "useless" sense, but it gets us to where we need to be for the awesome episodes that usually come around episode 7-8 in the season.

My fiance thought it was hte best one yet this season.  I was not as pleased.  In any case, yeah I figured Jin would show up, but I thought it would be later as a bigger surprise.  I am waiting for Claire to show back up (and not in the past like last night) too.  Mostly last night I was thinking - OKAY OKAY  would the six of you get together so we can get back to the island and away from this whole "three years later" timeline!?  All though I realized that the time travelling sure makes things easier for the writers.  THey can just conveniently have the Losties on the island time travel to three years in the future when the Ocanic Six return to the island and then we don't have to address the question of what is happening to all the Losties on the island in those three years. 

So who else thinks that the people on the other boat that were chasing Locke Sawyer and Juliet were the other Losties?  I figure Juliet shot someone - my guess is Kate - although it would be funny if her future self were on that boat and she shot herself. 
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: bratpop on February 05, 2009, 05:40:57 AM
Was I the only one who thought the correct response to, "But I've only been on the  island a little while and I've never been here before," was, "Yes, exactly"? I figured they were getting nosebleeds because of LACK of exposure to the island. Not because of exposure. Faraday is the only one who HAD been there before, and the regulars weren't getting nosebleeds. But instead of just going with this, they decided to be vague and mysterious about it. Shock.

WTF is the deal with Rousseau's baby? I thought Ben was her biological father, but if French Woman was already pregnant when she got to the island, then that's probably not true.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: pezdrake on February 05, 2009, 05:57:15 AM
Was I the only one who thought the correct response to, "But I've only been on the  island a little while and I've never been here before," was, "Yes, exactly"? I figured they were getting nosebleeds because of LACK of exposure to the island. Not because of exposure. Faraday is the only one who HAD been there before, and the regulars weren't getting nosebleeds. But instead of just going with this, they decided to be vague and mysterious about it. Shock.

WTF is the deal with Rousseau's baby? I thought Ben was her biological father, but if French Woman was already pregnant when she got to the island, then that's probably not true.

No Ben is not the biological father, that was part of him psyching out people like he always does. 
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: bratpop on February 05, 2009, 06:49:51 AM
Then why would Danielle go along with it? It wouldn't psyche her out.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: James of LinHood on February 05, 2009, 06:50:45 AM
This could make watching season 5 of Lost even more fun than it will be.  The Lost season 5 Fantasy League.  Read up on it here:

http://darkufo.blogspot.com/2008/06/announcing-season-5-darkufo-lost.html (http://darkufo.blogspot.com/2008/06/announcing-season-5-darkufo-lost.html)

I'm in the Spoilerfix league.  Sign up and we can compare our scores from week to week.  If enough people sign up maybe we can have our own little contest to see who gets the highest score on the board.  The prize could be a Rifftrax gift certificate.  Just a thought.  Anyway, sign up!



I'm in 684th place!
http://darkufo.blogspot.com/2009/01/lost-fantasy-league-week-1-update.html#comments


Holy crap!  I'm in 8th place! 

Haha.  Awesome team name, sir.

Now if only I can remember what mine was.... 

Edit:  Found mine.  My team name is the Castleton Snobs.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: dignan on February 05, 2009, 07:45:09 AM
Wait, when, exactly, was Faraday on the island before?

And, yeah, Ben wasn't Alex's biological father, as the Others stole the baby from Rousseau, according to her story back in season 1. 

Oh, and, I'm confused by the theory that the people in the second boat were other Losties.  If they were, then why would they be shooting at Sawyer et al?
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: MrTorso on February 05, 2009, 08:34:04 AM
So the people on the Zodiac were close enough to the island to be included in the time travel when Ben pushed the donkey wheel. Jin was apparently close enough to the island when the freighter went kablooey to be included in the islands time travel. Yet the helicopter that was flying towards the island was not??
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: James of LinHood on February 05, 2009, 08:55:30 AM
So the people on the Zodiac were close enough to the island to be included in the time travel when Ben pushed the donkey wheel. Jin was apparently close enough to the island when the freighter went kablooey to be included in the islands time travel. Yet the helicopter that was flying towards the island was not??

Because the island was all like "Talk to the hand!" to Jack and the helicopter peeps.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on February 05, 2009, 10:01:22 AM
So the people on the Zodiac were close enough to the island to be included in the time travel when Ben pushed the donkey wheel. Jin was apparently close enough to the island when the freighter went kablooey to be included in the islands time travel. Yet the helicopter that was flying towards the island was not??

Yea, the "sphere of influence" seems to have avoided the chopper for some reason.

Maybe they pulled a "crystal skull" on us, the explosion flung him a mile through the air and he landed in the water near the island...

Maybe physical contact with the island or water around the island is needed, yea, that's it, we know the island does make up it's own rules where physics is concerned.

Later,
 Marty
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: gbeenie on February 05, 2009, 10:13:48 AM
That's because the island is a dick.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: pezdrake on February 05, 2009, 10:58:12 AM
Wait, when, exactly, was Faraday on the island before?

Oh, and, I'm confused by the theory that the people in the second boat were other Losties.  If they were, then why would they be shooting at Sawyer et al?


We saw in the flashback a couple of episodes ago Faraday was in the mine when Dr Marvin Candle (or whoever his name is) found the "wheel" underground.  That was back in Dharma days. 

One thing someone else pointed out with the timeline.  When we left the episode last Jin was on the beach with the Frenchies.  If my figures are right, the Frenchies are there pre-DHARMA massacre so the little “Mayberry” village is populated by DHARMA people not Others on the island at that point.  I wonder if the Frenchies just ever had any run-ins with the DHARMA initiative or just the Others?

I think the people in the other boat maybe Losties – the Oceanic Six – Kate, Jack, etc.  I think that Sawyer and Juliet and Co. went to the time that they returned to the Island – remember they made note of the Indian airline water bottle?  I think that the Oceanic Six got to the island via the two boats and went inland, the Sawyer bunch took one of their boats and then the Six came back to the boats and saw that “someone” was stealing their boat and went after them to stop them and got shot up by Juliet.   Now here’s what I think it interesting.  Only Juliet was really looking behind them.  I wonder if she recognized them and kept shooting anyway…
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on February 05, 2009, 11:18:11 AM
One thing someone else pointed out with the timeline.  When we left the episode last Jin was on the beach with the Frenchies.  If my figures are right, the Frenchies are there pre-DHARMA massacre so the little “Mayberry” village is populated by DHARMA people not Others on the island at that point.  I wonder if the Frenchies just ever had any run-ins with the DHARMA initiative or just the Others?

The Frenchies landed 17 to 18 years before 815 crashed, that's how long the radio message was looping.   Having just said that and remembering what the equipment looked like at the tower, man that's some durable tape, read heads, motors, belts.  I guess the island does it's magic on curing mechanical things as well.  ;D

If Ben took the baby as his, wouldn't that mean he was already leader of the others when they landed on the island?  So that would be post massacre.

Later,
 Marty
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: TheUnabeefer on February 05, 2009, 12:24:20 PM
Wait, when, exactly, was Faraday on the island before?

Oh, and, I'm confused by the theory that the people in the second boat were other Losties.  If they were, then why would they be shooting at Sawyer et al?


We saw in the flashback a couple of episodes ago Faraday was in the mine when Dr Marvin Candle (or whoever his name is) found the "wheel" underground.  That was back in Dharma days. 

Time travel. He hadn't been on the island before, but he was bouncing around in time (as we are seeing)....  our view of him back with Dr. Candle was due to his jumping through time.

Also, when Sawyer got upset at all the beer being gone, I immediately concluded they will show him drinking all that beer in another jump.....

Why do I suddenly want to watch Sliders?!
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: pezdrake on February 06, 2009, 10:48:36 AM
Duh, of course.  I guess that makes more sense than Daniel having actually been there before.  I guess I didn't think about that because we didn't know about the time travel yet when we saw that scene. 

I do think it's insteresting though that for us (and the Losties) Richard Alpert never seems to age but to Richard Alpert who has seen Locke in many different times, he never seems to age either (well not for long because we know that he did as Locke suggests and goes to see him whenhe is born).  I am thinking that Richard does and follows him throughout his life.  I wonder if he has anything to do - or how much he has to do - with Locke's messed up life. 

Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on February 06, 2009, 11:31:22 AM
Duh, of course.  I guess that makes more sense than Daniel having actually been there before.  I guess I didn't think about that because we didn't know about the time travel yet when we saw that scene. 

I do think it's insteresting though that for us (and the Losties) Richard Alpert never seems to age but to Richard Alpert who has seen Locke in many different times, he never seems to age either (well not for long because we know that he did as Locke suggests and goes to see him whenhe is born).  I am thinking that Richard does and follows him throughout his life.  I wonder if he has anything to do - or how much he has to do - with Locke's messed up life. 

I vaguely remember in one episode with the others that someone was looking for Richard and someone said he was "away" or "off doing whatever Richard does", or something like that.

But if the island can cure cancer and paralisis and bring Lock back after having his chest filled with bullets, I think prolonging someones life would be easy. 
Remember it wouldn't let Michael die, even when he was in the USA, so it seems to be able to do stuff anywhere, so having it mess up peoples lives so they would end up doing certain things on the island is certainly possible.

Later,
 Marty
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: SmilinJackRoss on February 06, 2009, 12:02:59 PM
Well, I don't like to think that "The Island" itself has anything to do with it...this whole thing is going to come down to time travel paradoxes.  The reason Michael couldn't die is because he needed to do something in the future that would affect his past...I think.

If he died, then their timeline would be altered and they would go off on a tangent timeline.  Time travel paradox arguments often just end up talking themselves into corners and loops, so I'm a little aprehensive to get too deep into this.  It will just make my head hurt.

I don't inherently dislike time travel plots, but this seems like a lame direction to take the series.  I'm kinda disappointed. 
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: dignan on February 06, 2009, 12:46:42 PM
I'm just hoping for Zombie Eko to show up.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on February 06, 2009, 02:06:53 PM
If he died, then their timeline would be altered and they would go off on a tangent timeline.  Time travel paradox arguments often just end up talking themselves into corners and loops, so I'm a little aprehensive to get too deep into this.  It will just make my head hurt.

I don't inherently dislike time travel plots, but this seems like a lame direction to take the series.  I'm kinda disappointed. 

If that ends up being the reason I'll be very disappointed...  I think what you are saying is the show will come down to one big chicken or egg paradox, all the power of the island comes from time travel paradoxes, but there must have been some power on the island to cause the time travel in the first place.

Time travel is good for entertainment, but what all the theories seem to miss is that the past is not a physical thing, the past is not sitting there waiting to be traveled to, it's gone.  To go back in time means reversing all events in the universe perfectly so you end up back at the conditions that existed in the past.

Since this show does like to play with numbers, I just noticed now that Jin is back there will be 6 left on the island once Lock leaves (it seems like all the other survivors have been killed off), and the 6 that have to get back.   They never talk about desmond needing to go back, I wonder if that will come up and how Penny will react.   I'm sure at some point Ben and Penny will meet, if they kill off Penny I may stop watching.

Later,
 Marty
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: SmilinJackRoss on February 06, 2009, 02:26:04 PM
Since this show does like to play with numbers, I just noticed now that Jin is back there will be 6 left on the island once Lock leaves (it seems like all the other survivors have been killed off), and the 6 that have to get back.   They never talk about desmond needing to go back, I wonder if that will come up and how Penny will react.   I'm sure at some point Ben and Penny will meet, if they kill off Penny I may stop watching.

Yeah, I noticed that too.  The theory that I subscribe to right now is (spoilering just in case):

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

This might be obvious to some people, and there's no doubt more to it.  But it's what makes the most sense to me.  Not that the show makes sense....but anyway.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: TheUnabeefer on February 08, 2009, 11:42:20 PM
Since this show does like to play with numbers, I just noticed now that Jin is back there will be 6 left on the island once Lock leaves (it seems like all the other survivors have been killed off), and the 6 that have to get back.   They never talk about desmond needing to go back, I wonder if that will come up and how Penny will react.   I'm sure at some point Ben and Penny will meet, if they kill off Penny I may stop watching.

Bernard and Rose... they won't be killing Rose off.  I would follow that with "just yet" but I remember back in season 3(2? 3?), when Rose wasn't on the show much (due to the actress being involved in a stage show, I believe), the writers stated very openly that she was important to the end of the series, and two people we would see through to the end and never had to really worry about were Hurley and Rose.

That interview always stuck with me, because way back at the beginning, she seemed like such a relatively insignificant charcter, but you could almost tell there was something more to come planned for her.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: bratpop on February 09, 2009, 12:05:27 AM
She still seems at least 100% insignificant to me. At least, they never made me give a crap about her, so they better get crackin' at some point.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: MrTorso on February 09, 2009, 09:34:26 AM
Yeah I remember the Rose visiting the same psychic that Claire did. So with the current season.... if the flash happens they can apparently bring things with them like the boat they stole and the guns. How come they didn't bring the stuff they were sitting on when they were captured by the old others??
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: Bob on February 09, 2009, 09:49:04 AM
This show has more red herrings than an Ikea food court.

I have officially given up trying to guess what is going to happen and just let it happen.   Much less stress tha way.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: James of LinHood on February 09, 2009, 09:53:46 AM
She still seems at least 100% insignificant to me. At least, they never made me give a crap about her, so they better get crackin' at some point.

Yeah, Rose just pisses me off.  She's become the most annoying character since Nikki.  All of her scenes feel forced and are completely unneeded.

For example, in the season finale Miles is just sitting around eating some peanuts and Rose comes up and gives him shit about it.  Like she's all of a sudden been elected leader.  Every time I see that scene and can't help but wish that she'd shut up and go away.

So, if there is any justice Rose will be shot in the face before the series ends.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: pezdrake on February 09, 2009, 10:47:19 AM
Hey I like Rose.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on February 09, 2009, 11:11:54 AM
I liked Anna Lucia. 
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: James of LinHood on February 09, 2009, 11:35:48 AM
I liked Anna Lucia. 

Played by none other than Michelle "I play a tough bitch in everything I'm in" Rodriguez.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: SmilinJackRoss on February 09, 2009, 01:02:39 PM
I liked Anna Lucia. 

Played by none other than Michelle "I play a tough bitch in everything I'm in" Rodriguez.

Yeah, she doesn't have a whole lot of range.

But what she does, she does well.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: TheUnabeefer on February 09, 2009, 03:11:07 PM
The thing with Rose that I am still waiting to find out is how the sound of the smoke monster sounded farmiliar to her from the pilot....  aside from them using the sound of cab fare tickers and lunch whistles for the foley.

I subscribe to the theory of their past selves aquiring a form of suppressed collected memory from all this time-jumping.....  That would explain Daniel's crying in his first flashback, Locke knowing pretty much ANYTHING, Rose knowing her husband was still alive and the sound of the monster...

Mostly Rose just seems to be very much along the lines of Locke and Walt in their whole "being attuned to the island" thing.  The thing that annoyed me most of all about Rose though was when she was all "Oh, I'm not going anywhere with that man" about Locke because he was a "murderer".... RIGHT after Jack put a gun to Locke's head and pulled the trigger in front of dozens of people.  What if it HAD been loaded?!  Would JACK have been the "murderer" that she wouldn't "go anywhere" with then!?  Stupid Rose... get a clue!!!  EVERYONE on the island is a murderer in some form.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: MrTorso on February 09, 2009, 04:06:24 PM
I liked Anna Lucia. 

Played by none other than Michelle "I play a tough bitch in everything I'm in" Rodriguez.

Not just that, but the exact same tough bitch..
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on February 09, 2009, 04:11:59 PM
I liked Anna Lucia. 

Played by none other than Michelle "I play a tough bitch in everything I'm in" Rodriguez.

Not just that, but the exact same tough bitch..

I just meant that I like her body and I want to see more of her body.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: TheUnabeefer on February 09, 2009, 04:32:39 PM
I liked Anna Lucia. 

Played by none other than Michelle "I play a tough bitch in everything I'm in" Rodriguez.

Not just that, but the exact same tough bitch..

I just meant that I like her body and I want to see more of her body.

More as in "more often"?  or as in "less clothes" ???  or both....
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on February 09, 2009, 04:51:24 PM
I liked Anna Lucia. 

Played by none other than Michelle "I play a tough bitch in everything I'm in" Rodriguez.

Not just that, but the exact same tough bitch..

I just meant that I like her body and I want to see more of her body.

More as in "more often"?  or as in "less clothes" ???  or both....

Both.  Plus she's a drinker, and I like that.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: mrbasehart on February 09, 2009, 05:38:20 PM
I liked Anna Lucia. 

Played by none other than Michelle "I play a tough bitch in everything I'm in" Rodriguez.

Not just that, but the exact same tough bitch..

I just meant that I like her body and I want to see more of her body.

More as in "more often"?  or as in "less clothes" ???  or both....

Both.  Plus she's a drinker, and I like that.

She's also got the same taste in women as most men.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on February 09, 2009, 05:43:12 PM
I liked Anna Lucia. 

Played by none other than Michelle "I play a tough bitch in everything I'm in" Rodriguez.

Not just that, but the exact same tough bitch..

I just meant that I like her body and I want to see more of her body.

More as in "more often"?  or as in "less clothes" ???  or both....

Both.  Plus she's a drinker, and I like that.

She's also got the same taste in women as most men.

That's hot too.  I like to watch.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: pezdrake on February 10, 2009, 09:14:36 AM
Is anyone else saying to the "Oceanic Six" group, "Just get to the freakin' island already!"  If they aren't there by this week's episode I will be very bored. 
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: TheUnabeefer on February 10, 2009, 11:21:31 PM
Is anyone else saying to the "Oceanic Six" group, "Just get to the freakin' island already!"  If they aren't there by this week's episode I will be very bored. 

There is no spoon.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: bratpop on February 10, 2009, 11:28:09 PM
They can only stretch 70 hours so long.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: dangfish on February 11, 2009, 04:11:01 AM
They can only stretch 70 hours so long.

Sure they can.  Keifer Sutherland and company stretch out 24 hours into 24 episodes. Don't think they're taking it that far however. If you want to know how many episodes until they get back to the island, check out the latest Entertainment Weekly.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: k1 on February 11, 2009, 05:45:25 AM
They can only stretch 70 hours so long.

Sure they can.  Keifer Sutherland and company stretch out 24 hours into 24 episodes. Don't think they're taking it that far however. If you want to know how many episodes until they get back to the island, check out the latest Entertainment Weekly.

Especially if you keep messing with time!   ;D
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: pezdrake on February 11, 2009, 06:25:57 AM
They can only stretch 70 hours so long.

Sure they can.  Keifer Sutherland and company stretch out 24 hours into 24 episodes. Don't think they're taking it that far however. If you want to know how many episodes until they get back to the island, check out the latest Entertainment Weekly.

Especially if you keep messing with time!   ;D

Yes, in fact this season has spanned decades so far.   Still.... get to the damned island already.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: Maverick Joe Six-Pack on February 11, 2009, 06:56:19 AM
Is anyone else saying to the "Oceanic Six" group, "Just get to the freakin' island already!"  If they aren't there by this week's episode I will be very bored. 

STAAAAAAAAY!!
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: pezdrake on February 11, 2009, 07:05:32 PM
They can only stretch 70 hours so long.

Sure they can.  Keifer Sutherland and company stretch out 24 hours into 24 episodes. Don't think they're taking it that far however. If you want to know how many episodes until they get back to the island, check out the latest Entertainment Weekly.

Especially if you keep messing with time!   ;D

Yes, in fact this season has spanned decades so far.   Still.... get to the damned island already.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: kodiakthejuggler on February 11, 2009, 07:08:14 PM
The waiting... is the hardest part!
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: bratpop on February 12, 2009, 12:31:27 AM
Really? MOTHERFUCKING REALLY? The time travel was all because Ben's scrawny ass dislodged the magic time wheel? WTF. Shoddy Mayan/Atlantian workmanship. I remember when people used to care whether they built a good magic time wheel axis.

And you kids get off my temple lawn.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on February 12, 2009, 12:53:59 AM
Really? MOTHERFUCKING REALLY? The time travel was all because Ben's scrawny ass dislodged the magic time wheel? WTF. Shoddy Mayan/Atlantian workmanship. I remember when people used to care whether they built a good magic time wheel axis.

And you kids get off my temple lawn.

Knowing Ben he probably did it on purpose, that's why he turned the wheel instead of telling Lock how to do it.  He has always wanted most of the losties killed off. 

Another mostly filler episode, setting up next week.  I did like the part where Jacob asked Lock if listening to Ben ever worked out for him...   

So, how is getting the 6 back to the island going to fix the wheel?  Or has lock pushing it a little fixed it?  And why wasn't the wheel room frozen like it was when Ben used it?  These time jumping wheel plots never make sense.

Later,
 Marty
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: bratpop on February 12, 2009, 01:26:43 AM
It was frozen. Maybe not as much. Cos Ben is so hawt.

What a cock tease with the smoke monster hangout.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: pezdrake on February 12, 2009, 08:00:19 AM
So I had a theory last night watching hte show:
What if at the end of this series, the Oceanic Survivors end up going back in time hundreds of years back and are there with no way to the future and end up being the "island's original inhabitants" and the Others are their great great grandchildren or something?  Of course, that assumes that they find a way to conceive and bear children on the island.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: kodiakthejuggler on February 12, 2009, 10:36:01 AM
What a cock tease with the smoke monster hangout.

Yup. Now everyone wants to know what's down that crack as opposed to what's down that hatch.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: k1 on February 12, 2009, 10:54:56 AM
What a cock tease with the smoke monster hangout.

Yup. Now everyone wants to know what's down that crack as opposed to what's down that hatch.

must... stop... laughing... at... work...  cock tease.... what's down that crack... heh heh...

(It's a really slow day.)
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on February 12, 2009, 12:13:52 PM
What a cock tease with the smoke monster hangout.

Yup. Now everyone wants to know what's down that crack as opposed to what's down that hatch.

must... stop... laughing... at... work...  cock tease.... what's down that crack... heh heh...

(It's a really slow day.)

Hmmm, seems like everyone that went down that crack got turned around, playing for the "other" team.   
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: pezdrake on February 12, 2009, 01:22:55 PM
Once you go crack you never go back
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: mrbasehart on February 12, 2009, 02:32:33 PM
Yeah, it was mostly a set up for the next couple of episodes, I guess.  Liked the arm being ripped off, and a pity Charlotte's dead, she was kinda hot (as opposed to Juliet, who was hot, but seems to be getting more and more tired looking as the series goes on). 
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: TheUnabeefer on February 12, 2009, 06:00:44 PM
Yeah, it was mostly a set up for the next couple of episodes, I guess.  Liked the arm being ripped off, and a pity Charlotte's dead, she was kinda hot (as opposed to Juliet, who was hot, but seems to be getting more and more tired looking as the series goes on). 

It's because she's wearing clothes....  she'd be hotter if she was nude.  I think.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on February 12, 2009, 06:39:15 PM
I think it's mainly cuz she doesn't smile a lot.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: mrbasehart on February 12, 2009, 06:48:15 PM
I'd certainly find her more attractive if she were nude and smiling, yes. 
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: TheUnabeefer on February 12, 2009, 09:03:10 PM
I'd certainly find her more attractive if she were nude and smiling, yes. 

Yes that's IT!... Nude and smiling.  I'll post on the Lost forums, and Damon and Carlton will have her nude and smiling by the end of the season!
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: kodiakthejuggler on February 12, 2009, 09:28:30 PM
I'd certainly find her more attractive if she were nude and smiling, yes. 

Yes that's IT!... Nude and smiling.  I'll post on the Lost forums, and Damon and Carlton will have her nude and smiling by the end of the season!

That should be the title of the next LOST calendar featuring all the hot female characters: Nude and Smiling.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: TheUnabeefer on February 12, 2009, 10:56:56 PM
I'd certainly find her more attractive if she were nude and smiling, yes. 

Yes that's IT!... Nude and smiling.  I'll post on the Lost forums, and Damon and Carlton will have her nude and smiling by the end of the season!

That should be the title of the next LOST calendar featuring all the hot female characters: Nude and Smiling.

I like the way you think!!!  Rose, nude and smiling.  You're a genius!
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on February 13, 2009, 03:53:01 AM
I'd certainly find her more attractive if she were nude and smiling, yes. 

Yes that's IT!... Nude and smiling.  I'll post on the Lost forums, and Damon and Carlton will have her nude and smiling by the end of the season!

That should be the title of the next LOST calendar featuring all the hot female characters: Nude and Smiling.

I like the way you think!!!  Rose, nude and smiling.  You're a genius!

Hugo isn't a female is he?
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: bratpop on February 13, 2009, 04:08:09 AM
You guys are going to make me watch Lost with a barf bag from now on.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: TheUnabeefer on February 13, 2009, 11:23:47 PM
You guys are going to make me watch Lost with a barf bag from now on.

Previously on **BWLAAAUUUGGGH**
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: TheUnabeefer on February 18, 2009, 12:08:47 PM
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALT!!!  They TOOK my SON....  RIGHT out of my HANDS....  WAAAAAAAAAAAALT!!!
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: bratpop on February 19, 2009, 02:21:51 AM
Goddamn it, they ruined this episode with the fucking Star Trek device of showing the interesting part at the beginning and then flashing back so that the whole episode is just the pedantic details of how they got to the interesting part. I hate that. You know exactly how it's going to end. At least sometimes they start just before the ending so that when they show that part AGAIN, there's something after it, but this had roughly 30 seconds of dull surprise to add.

And now they're presumably going to waste six weeks intercutting flashbacks to what happened with Locke, Hurley, Sayid, Kate, Ben and Sun, depending on whether any of their stories were related.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: ImOscardotcom on February 19, 2009, 02:53:41 AM
Goddamn it, they ruined this episode with the fucking Star Trek device of showing the interesting part at the beginning and then flashing back so that the whole episode is just the pedantic details of how they got to the interesting part. I hate that.

Oh, is there anything that you don't hate?

Great episode. Suprised they got back to the island so soon, though-I figured they were saving that for later on in the season.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: bratpop on February 19, 2009, 02:56:52 AM
Yes, I don't hate it when they DON'T do that. Pay attention.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: Rattrap007 on February 19, 2009, 04:33:47 AM
Wonder what happened to Arron?
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on February 19, 2009, 04:34:36 AM
Wonder what happened to Arron?

Promise me you'll never ask that again!  Promise me!!
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: pezdrake on February 19, 2009, 05:28:26 AM
So did Ben kill Penny or Penny AND Charlie?  Man I hate him.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: Bob on February 19, 2009, 05:30:25 AM
So did Ben kill Penny or Penny AND Charlie?  Man I hate him.

Wait, Penny is dead?   I must have missed that.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: k1 on February 19, 2009, 05:58:36 AM
So did Ben kill Penny or Penny AND Charlie?  Man I hate him.

Wait, Penny is dead?   I must have missed that.

I think it was right before Walt came back riding on a polar bear and killed Sawyer.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: Bob on February 19, 2009, 06:00:01 AM
So did Ben kill Penny or Penny AND Charlie?  Man I hate him.

Wait, Penny is dead?   I must have missed that.

I think it was right before Walt came back riding on a polar bear and killed Sawyer.

And that was after Patrick McGoogan escaped from the Island?
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on February 19, 2009, 06:00:39 AM
So did Ben kill Penny or Penny AND Charlie?  Man I hate him.

Wait, Penny is dead?   I must have missed that.

We can assume from ben being all beat up and calling from what looked like a marina that he might have followed Desmond back to their boat and tried to kill Penny.  Guess they will leave that story and Aron for other episodes.  

So we now know the surviving losties are stuck in time during the Darma days, at least for a while, there were hints that it was going to happen.

Next week is Locks story.

Later,
 Marty
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: James of LinHood on February 19, 2009, 06:14:14 AM
So did Ben kill Penny or Penny AND Charlie?  Man I hate him.

Wait, Penny is dead?   I must have missed that.

We can assume from ben being all beat up and calling from what looked like a marina that he might have followed Desmond back to their boat and tried to kill Penny.

With Lost I wouldn't assume anything.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: SmilinJackRoss on February 19, 2009, 06:43:00 AM
With Lost I wouldn't assume anything.

Damn skippy.  This show is unique, in that I don't really think about it or try to figure it out, because...well, it's L O S T.  There's no real logic to the show, so when I watch I just let it wash over me like a hallucinogen. Trying to guess what will happen next or what makes sense is pretty futile. 
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on February 19, 2009, 06:50:19 AM
So did Ben kill Penny or Penny AND Charlie?  Man I hate him.

Wait, Penny is dead?   I must have missed that.

We can assume from ben being all beat up and calling from what looked like a marina that he might have followed Desmond back to their boat and tried to kill Penny.
With Lost I wouldn't assume anything.

Well, when he said he had to "take care of something" for an old friend, you have to think he was talking about Widmore.  And going back and looking at that scene there is a sailboat in the background when he is on the phone.

Or maybe ben being beat up had something to do with Aron.  The old friend may have been Jacob.

If Ben was taken back by the island as well, are there now 2 of them on the island?  Young and old?  But I think they may be back at the beginning of Darma, the previous flashback with Dan showed them doing construction.  So young Ben and his dad may not have arrived yet.

Another idea I had was that pressing the button kept the island from moving, so the Darma people could come and go.

On another lost website people are convinced that the guy reading the numbers on the radio transmission is Hurley.  I'll be really disapointed if it turns out that they follow the old sci-fi trick that you have to set things up in the past so future events happen they way they did.

Later,
 Marty
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: Rattrap007 on February 19, 2009, 07:34:10 AM
I just realized something. They were trying to recreate the circumstances of the first flight. They needed things to remind them of the first flight.

Sayid - He has replaced Kate as the prisoner in transit
Kate - She replaces Sun as running from someone they love (Aaron)
Sun - Seeking the lost love (Jin instead of Sayid seeking his love)
Jack - Recreates himself but hauling John's Corpse (who is wearing the father's shoes)
Hurley - Himself  and Charlie with the guitar case.


I think Kate either gave Aaron to Ben or to the grandmother. Ben I think either killed Penny and Charlie or tried to. This will send Desmond after Ben and get him back to the island and get his revenge on Whitmore.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: k1 on February 19, 2009, 07:42:18 AM
So did Ben kill Penny or Penny AND Charlie?  Man I hate him.

Wait, Penny is dead?   I must have missed that.

We can assume from ben being all beat up and calling from what looked like a marina that he might have followed Desmond back to their boat and tried to kill Penny.
With Lost I wouldn't assume anything.

Well, when he said he had to "take care of something" for an old friend, you have to think he was talking about Widmore.  And going back and looking at that scene there is a sailboat in the background when he is on the phone.

Or maybe ben being beat up had something to do with Aron.  The old friend may have been Jacob.

If Ben was taken back by the island as well, are there now 2 of them on the island?  Young and old?  But I think they may be back at the beginning of Darma, the previous flashback with Dan showed them doing construction.  So young Ben and his dad may not have arrived yet.

Another idea I had was that pressing the button kept the island from moving, so the Darma people could come and go.

On another lost website people are convinced that the guy reading the numbers on the radio transmission is Hurley.  I'll be really disapointed if it turns out that they follow the old sci-fi trick that you have to set things up in the past so future events happen they way they did.

Later,
 Marty

My wife said that it sounded like Hurley when they had that scene a few episodes ago.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: SmilinJackRoss on February 19, 2009, 08:01:06 AM
My first reaction was that it was Hurley as well.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: pezdrake on February 19, 2009, 08:59:14 AM
So did Ben kill Penny or Penny AND Charlie?  Man I hate him.

Wait, Penny is dead?   I must have missed that.

I assumed that the unfinished business of Ben's (the promise he made) was his oath that he would get revenge on Widmore (by killing Penny).  Knowing Ben, he made good on his threat unless it came to a point where he couldn't kill her and had to leave before he had a chance.  I think the only thing more important to Ben than getting revenge is getting back to teh island.  Was I the only one who thought that John's letter to Jack was going to say something like, "Don't trust Ben"?  In fact, I a not sure that Ben didn't somehow switch out the rel note with the one Jack opened.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: MrTorso on February 19, 2009, 09:16:53 AM
It looks like Ben got his ass beat so maybe Desmond stopped him.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on February 19, 2009, 09:26:07 AM
So did Ben kill Penny or Penny AND Charlie?  Man I hate him.

Wait, Penny is dead?   I must have missed that.

I assumed that the unfinished business of Ben's (the promise he made) was his oath that he would get revenge on Widmore (by killing Penny).  Knowing Ben, he made good on his threat unless it came to a point where he couldn't kill her and had to leave before he had a chance.  I think the only thing more important to Ben than getting revenge is getting back to teh island.  Was I the only one who thought that John's letter to Jack was going to say something like, "Don't trust Ben"?  In fact, I a not sure that Ben didn't somehow switch out the rel note with the one Jack opened.

I doubt Penny and Charlie could have inflicted the wounds on Ben, so I'm thinking Desmond stopped him, and he had to stop or miss the flight.  So I'm hoping Penny is still alive, for some reason I'd be way more pissed about her being killed than all the others that have been blown away.   Maybe they find the island again in the past, pull a Futurama on us and Charlie is really Charles Widmore and is his own grandfather.. ;D

As for Aron, it would be just like Ben to tip off the grandmother and have her go and take him away from Kate, and make Kate feel horrible while doing it just to push her into going back.  Ben is the master manipulator, he sucsessfully got everyone onto the plane.

As for the note, how did it get to Eloise?  I guess maybe we will find out next week in Lock's story.

Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: TheUnabeefer on February 19, 2009, 09:28:53 AM
My assumption, based on Ben's "Things didn't go quite exactly as planned" (which in Ben's language means "I failed miserably") is that he went to kill Penny and Desmond instead beat the ever loving crap out of him, so he gave up for the moment.....

And I can assume that Kate gave Aaron to Claire's mom, and explained to her more-or-less what happened and how she's related to Aaron in a "Don't ever tell anyone any of this, but here's your grandson."
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on February 19, 2009, 09:35:20 AM
My assumption, based on Ben's "Things didn't go quite exactly as planned" (which in Ben's language means "I failed miserably") is that he went to kill Penny and Desmond instead beat the ever loving crap out of him, so he gave up for the moment.....

Also remember Sun had surveillance pictures of Ben, we can assume that Charles Widmore had people tracking Ben and they could have helped save Penny. 
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: tgeorgic on February 19, 2009, 11:29:33 AM
My assumption, based on Ben's "Things didn't go quite exactly as planned" (which in Ben's language means "I failed miserably") is that he went to kill Penny and Desmond instead beat the ever loving crap out of him, so he gave up for the moment.....

Also remember Sun had surveillance pictures of Ben, we can assume that Charles Widmore had people tracking Ben and they could have helped save Penny. 

good point.  we know from desmond's meeting with widmore that he didnt know where penny was or even if she was ok at that point but he would be pretty certain that she would be with desmond and he knew exactly where desmond was heading.  i really hope that means penny is ok.  i wouldnt really like the plot twist of her being removed from the story at this point plus i dont think there would be any way for ben to die painfully enough to make up for all the evil things he has done plus that.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: pezdrake on February 19, 2009, 11:45:19 AM
If Ben did not kill Penny (or Charlie) then that means they will fell and hide from Widmore and Ben and never look for any contact with the LOST crew.  If Penny is dead (or Charlie) then Desmond will come after Ben.  Considering what we have heard about the island not being throughwith Desmond, I am betting the latter.  Then again, maybe Ben ended up killing Desmond and it's Penny who will come after Ben... or a grown up Charlie?
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: dignan on February 19, 2009, 11:54:21 AM
Maybe he tried to kill Penny but ended up killing Desmond instead.  UNPREDICTABILITY!
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on February 19, 2009, 12:02:57 PM
Maybe he tried to kill Penny but ended up killing Desmond instead.  UNPREDICTABILITY!

Eloise said the island wasn't finished with Desmond yet, so I doubt that is what happened.

We know Ben and Charles will not directly kill each other for some reason, so if Charles had some thugs tailing Ben they would stop him from killing Penny but leave him alive.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: bratpop on February 19, 2009, 07:14:52 PM
How about you wait for the Ben flashback episode and find out by watching it with your eyeballs?

Quote
Hurley - Himself  and Charlie with the guitar case.
Except it was full of Cheetos.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on February 19, 2009, 07:57:53 PM
How about you wait for the Ben flashback episode and find out by watching it with your eyeballs?

People that have imagination tend to think about things instead of just waiting to be spoon fed.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: mrbasehart on February 19, 2009, 08:32:06 PM
The question is: Why would Kate give up Aron? She would've gladly been a fugitive again under pressure from Ben's lawsuit, so that doesn't seem likely.  And why was it important that Desmond go on the flight? He wasn't on the original Oceanic flight that crashed, he got lost while sailing around the world. 

I wonder if the other 2 people in first class survived: the other arabic guy and the hot looking police woman.  I've seen them in loads of other things before, so it would seem likely.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: pezdrake on February 19, 2009, 08:55:21 PM
My fiance thinks that the other guy in First CLass is working for WIdmore and is there to follow Jack et. al. 

It's possible that Sun organized a plan to get everyone else - Kate and Hurley namely - on the plan to make it more likely that it would work so she could find Jin.  I think Sun may have tipped off CLaires mom about Aaron.  I think there may have been another threat to Hurley to get him on the plane.  We'll see.  I'm just glad they are finally back on the island. 
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: Bob on February 20, 2009, 05:35:20 AM
I've given up thinking about the show except for the hour it is on.

The whole time travel thing seems like a lazy writers' option to advance the plot along.

I still like it, but since they can change the rules week to week, I am not going to worry about it anymore.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: SmilinJackRoss on February 20, 2009, 12:29:10 PM
I've given up thinking about the show except for the hour it is on.

The whole time travel thing seems like a lazy writers' option to advance the plot along.

I still like it, but since they can change the rules week to week, I am not going to worry about it anymore.

I'm right there with you.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: jewishcarpenter on February 20, 2009, 02:00:37 PM
I haven't read all the prior posts but I loved the fact that the Oceanic 6 are all in first class and no one on the plane or in the airport notices at all. They're supposed to be huge celebrities right? I lol'd. I sure as shit wouldn't get on a plane with any of them and especially not all of them.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: SmilinJackRoss on February 20, 2009, 02:05:23 PM
I haven't read all the prior posts but I loved the fact that the Oceanic 6 are all in first class and no one on the plane or in the airport notices at all. They're supposed to be huge celebrities right? I lol'd. I sure as shit wouldn't get on a plane with any of them and especially not all of them.

Yeah, ya know, I didn't think of that...

...yeah!  WHAT THE HELL?
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: Maverick Joe Six-Pack on February 20, 2009, 02:09:36 PM
I haven't read all the prior posts but I loved the fact that the Oceanic 6 are all in first class and no one on the plane or in the airport notices at all. They're supposed to be huge celebrities right? I lol'd. I sure as shit wouldn't get on a plane with any of them and especially not all of them.

Yeah, ya know, I didn't think of that...

...yeah!  WHAT THE HELL?

It's three years later.  Their fifteen minutes of fame were up a long time ago.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: MrTorso on February 20, 2009, 02:15:17 PM
Frank noticed.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: Maverick Joe Six-Pack on February 20, 2009, 02:29:52 PM
Frank noticed.

That's cause Frank's the man.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: dignan on February 20, 2009, 02:32:39 PM
Frank's fantastic.  Plus he's also got, you know, more history with the Oceanic Six than most of your everyday citizens, so why wouldn't he notice.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: SmilinJackRoss on February 20, 2009, 02:38:32 PM
It's not like they were lost in a sea of faces in First Class...seems like one of those "conveniences" that the show will overlook.

Wait, what am I doing?  Am I trying to think about L O S T in a rational manner?  Sorry, I'll stop.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: jewishcarpenter on February 20, 2009, 03:22:12 PM
Favorite line delivered this episode: "Oh stop thinking how ridiculous it is!".
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: jewishcarpenter on February 20, 2009, 03:23:24 PM
We know Ben and Charles will not directly kill each other for some reason, so if Charles had some thugs tailing Ben they would stop him from killing Penny but leave him alive.
The island won't allow it like it wouldn't allow Michael to kill himself until it was done with him.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: mrbasehart on February 20, 2009, 05:54:25 PM
Favorite line delivered this episode: "Oh stop thinking how ridiculous it is!".

Seriously.  After this long, you'd think Jack would be a little more open. 
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: bratpop on February 20, 2009, 10:04:35 PM
How do they make the planes in shows like this? Are they completely CG, do they CG the logo on the plane, or do they actually paint a jet with a made up airline logo?
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on February 20, 2009, 10:07:05 PM
They pump your house full of plane-seeing hallucinogens actually.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: TheUnabeefer on February 21, 2009, 01:28:47 AM
How do they make the planes in shows like this? Are they completely CG, do they CG the logo on the plane, or do they actually paint a jet with a made up airline logo?

Well, they had tons of giant Oceanic Airlines billboards all over the place, so I really wouldn't put anything past these people.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: dangfish on February 21, 2009, 08:45:23 AM
The question is: Why would Kate give up Aron? She would've gladly been a fugitive again under pressure from Ben's lawsuit, so that doesn't seem likely.  And why was it important that Desmond go on the flight? He wasn't on the original Oceanic flight that crashed, he got lost while sailing around the world. 

I wonder if the other 2 people in first class survived: the other arabic guy and the hot looking police woman.  I've seen them in loads of other things before, so it would seem likely.

Last year Kate had a dream where Claire told her 'don't you dare bring him back,Kate!'    My guess is Kate had another visit from Claire and this time she was a little more specific about why Aaron can't go back to island. Whatever was said apparently convinced Kate.

As for Desmond,  Eliose said 'the island isn't done with you yet.'   I don't think that necessarily means  he was supposed to be on the flight, or that he has to go back to the island.  On this show, it could mean anything.

I believe the two other people on the flight survived.  My guess is they will be the two new regular cast members that the producers have been talking about since the summer.  Not sure though. Don't remember the names of the actors.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: dangfish on February 21, 2009, 08:53:19 AM
I've given up thinking about the show except for the hour it is on.

The whole time travel thing seems like a lazy writers' option to advance the plot along.

I still like it, but since they can change the rules week to week, I am not going to worry about it anymore.


Exactly what rules have they changed?

As for the time travel thing being a lazy way out,  they introduced this concept into the series two seasons ago (when Desmond blew the hatch and ended up back in time).  There have also been numerous clues throughout the series that time  was an important aspect of the island.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: Nick on February 25, 2009, 07:36:36 PM
New Episode!

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: TheUnabeefer on February 25, 2009, 10:17:56 PM
Damn.   :speechless:
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: pezdrake on February 26, 2009, 05:38:33 AM
As soon as John said that he wouldn't bring SUn back, Ben was ready to get rid of him.  My question is this: Ben will say that he brought John back to the island because he knew it would restore him (so really, Ben will say, it was like he didn't kill him at all).    Will this be the truth though?
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: tgeorgic on February 26, 2009, 07:20:19 AM
if ben says it it isnt the truth :)
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on February 26, 2009, 08:01:17 AM
As soon as John said that he wouldn't bring SUn back, Ben was ready to get rid of him.  My question is this: Ben will say that he brought John back to the island because he knew it would restore him (so really, Ben will say, it was like he didn't kill him at all).    Will this be the truth though?

He could also use what Eloise told them, about needing to recreate the conditions that first got them to the island, so they needed Lock in the coffin.  He'll find some way to smooth talk Lock. 

My question is, why did only Jack, Kate, and Hurley jump back in time?

The "war is coming" bit was an interesting clue, with all the "save the world" bits and other clues it looks like they are setting up for an "end of days" scenario, a war between good and evil.

They seem to be setting up Ben in the smooth talking, master manipulator on the side of evil, and Lock on the side of good, but who knows with this show...
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: bratpop on February 26, 2009, 08:24:45 AM
Remember, the island wouldn't let Michael kill himself. I don't see why it would let John kill himself. If Ben knew he had to die, he knew that was the wrong way, because it meant Locke losing hope. Also, Locke would have gone to purgatory, and the producers already said the island isn't purgatory, so they couldn't let that happen.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: TheUnabeefer on February 26, 2009, 08:44:10 AM
Remember, the island wouldn't let Michael kill himself. I don't see why it would let John kill himself. If Ben knew he had to die, he knew that was the wrong way, because it meant Locke losing hope. Also, Locke would have gone to purgatory, and the producers already said the island isn't purgatory, so they couldn't let that happen.

They DO tend to have lots of Catholic beliefs in the show, and as far as I know, suicide is one of the unforgivable sins...  if he killed himself, his body would have been able to go to the island, but he would never have been resurrected.  That's actually been my thought since they first stated that Locke killed himself way back when.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: mrbasehart on February 27, 2009, 07:08:31 PM
A great episode, and a great showcase for Terry Quinn.  I had a feeling that they'd do something screwy about John's deathm because the Island had miraculously cured him before.  Of course, now we know what happened to the other bunch of people on the plane -- but where are Sayid and Sun?
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: bratpop on February 27, 2009, 11:17:37 PM
I thought it was stupid that Locke apparently didn't realize he was about to die when he was killing himself, fulfilling the prophecy. He was in fact, just killing himself because he thought he was a failure. That's way out of character all of a sudden. A little fuzzy on how much time had passed, but still. Really retarded of him not to realize what he was doing.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: TheUnabeefer on February 27, 2009, 11:20:06 PM
A great episode, and a great showcase for Terry Quinn.  I had a feeling that they'd do something screwy about John's deathm because the Island had miraculously cured him before.  Of course, now we know what happened to the other bunch of people on the plane -- but where are Sayid and Sun?

Sun is most likely the lady who took one of the longboats with the pilot. (Lapidus)  Most likely to go look for the rest of the people that they know....  Sun and Frank took one of the boats to the main island.

Sayid, who knows... we'll find that out.  Maybe he's in Narnia.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: bratpop on February 27, 2009, 11:22:32 PM
What's the deal with the boats? Why were there even boats? Does the plane come with boats? Did they make the boats? What the heck are "boats"?
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: TheUnabeefer on February 27, 2009, 11:56:09 PM
What's the deal with the boats? Why were there even boats? Does the plane come with boats? Did they make the boats? What the heck are "boats"?

The Others used those to get to and from the Hydra island, along with a couple small fishing boats.....   Kate and Sawyer and Karl used one of the longboats to escape from the Hydra....  Karl also used one of the longboats to warn the Losties about the attack the Others bumped up a day (right before the trek to the radio tower)

The longboats have been around for a while.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: bratpop on February 27, 2009, 11:59:06 PM
So they just happened to crash right next to the boats that nobody found in two and a half seasons? What are the odds?
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: TheUnabeefer on February 28, 2009, 12:00:03 AM
So they just happened to crash right next to the boats that nobody found in two and a half seasons? What are the odds?

To quote Danielle  "Are you on the same island as I am?"
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: MrTorso on February 28, 2009, 12:04:39 AM
My first thought was that the guam flight crashed on the Others' other island. The one that the losties didn't know about.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: bratpop on February 28, 2009, 12:07:53 AM
On a scale of one to ten, how hardcore do you think Rose and Bernard have been gettin' it on after finding out they're completely alone on the island?
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: TheUnabeefer on February 28, 2009, 12:10:27 AM
On a scale of one to ten, how hardcore do you think Rose and Bernard have been gettin' it on after finding out they're completely alone on the island?

I'd say a good 32.  They probably sexed themselves to death, and Vincent dragged their bodies into a cave and stuck a couple stones in a little bag with their bodies.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: gbeenie on February 28, 2009, 05:18:53 PM
My first thought was that the guam flight crashed on the Others' other island. The one that the losties didn't know about.

That's what I'm thinking; I can't think of another explanation for the shelter the Guam flight people have.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: dangfish on March 21, 2009, 12:59:33 PM
I thought Lost fans here might get a kick out of this:

I was watching Fugitive Alien 2 the other night.  Our heroes are on a hostile planet and they come across a security gate with these big metal pillars that looks uncannily like the weird metal pillar security fence that the Dharma Intiative created to keep out the others. And if that wasn't enough, about five minutes later, the characters are crouching behind a bush and see enemy soldiers in the distance.  Then Joel says 'Is that us?  Are we unstuck in time?'

What's even more ironic to me is that I don't think I've watched this episode since LOST has been on the air, and they just started this season with the whole unstuck in time thing.  Coincidence?

                    Maybe I should watch FA 2 again and look for Sawyer or Locke in the background.

Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: MrTorso on March 21, 2009, 07:55:31 PM
My first thought was that the guam flight crashed on the Others' other island. The one that the losties didn't know about.

That's what I'm thinking; I can't think of another explanation for the shelter the Guam flight people have.

And that is exactly where they were.  Now where in time exactly are Sun/Ben/Frank. When they went to the barracks it looks like they were completely dilapidated like the Others never lived there after the DI purge.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: TheUnabeefer on March 21, 2009, 08:37:11 PM
My first thought was that the guam flight crashed on the Others' other island. The one that the losties didn't know about.

That's what I'm thinking; I can't think of another explanation for the shelter the Guam flight people have.

And that is exactly where they were.  Now where in time exactly are Sun/Ben/Frank. When they went to the barracks it looks like they were completely dilapidated like the Others never lived there after the DI purge.


Well, the time stamp stated "Thirty Years Later" ... and afaik, 30 years from 1977 is 2007 (3 years after the Oceanic 6 left the island)   ...and yeah, it did look like no one had lived there after the Dharma, but it could just be chalked up to either having been abandoned for 3 years, left to the wiles of the smoke monster OR it's just a figment of the Island, a la Jacob's cabin... which looked old as hell, and then randomly disappeared and reappeared in various places.

So perhaps it was just like a "shadows of things to be" sorta look.  I figure we'll find out soon enough.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: dangfish on March 21, 2009, 08:42:31 PM
My first thought was that the guam flight crashed on the Others' other island. The one that the losties didn't know about.

That's what I'm thinking; I can't think of another explanation for the shelter the Guam flight people have.

And that is exactly where they were.  Now where in time exactly are Sun/Ben/Frank. When they went to the barracks it looks like they were completely dilapidated like the Others never lived there after the DI purge.

They said '30 years later' in the last episode, so I believe that Sun and company are in the present.  There has been much speculation about the whole dilapidated barracks thing.  The most likely explanation is that they were not at the barracks, but the welcome center. Sawyer said there's a welcome center that new arrivals go to before they come to the barracks. When Sun and Frank are there, there is a sign that says 'Processing,' which would help support this theory. Perhaps the others had no use for this area and simply left it as is.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: MrTorso on March 21, 2009, 08:48:00 PM

They said '30 years later' in the last episode, so I believe that Sun and company are in the present.  There has been much speculation about the whole dilapidated barracks thing.  The most likely explanation is that they were not at the barracks, but the welcome center. Sawyer said there's a welcome center that new arrivals go to before they come to the barracks. When Sun and Frank are there, there is a sign that says 'Processing,' which would help support this theory. Perhaps the others had no use for this area and simply left it as is.

I forgot about the 30 year tag.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: dangfish on March 21, 2009, 08:51:43 PM
My first thought was that the guam flight crashed on the Others' other island. The one that the losties didn't know about.

That's what I'm thinking; I can't think of another explanation for the shelter the Guam flight people have.

And that is exactly where they were.  Now where in time exactly are Sun/Ben/Frank. When they went to the barracks it looks like they were completely dilapidated like the Others never lived there after the DI purge.


Well, the time stamp stated "Thirty Years Later" ... and afaik, 30 years from 1977 is 2007 (3 years after the Oceanic 6 left the island)   ...and yeah, it did look like no one had lived there after the Dharma, but it could just be chalked up to either having been abandoned for 3 years, left to the wiles of the smoke monster OR it's just a figment of the Island, a la Jacob's cabin... which looked old as hell, and then randomly disappeared and reappeared in various places.

So perhaps it was just like a "shadows of things to be" sorta look.  I figure we'll find out soon enough.

Yeah, I've heard that theory too.  My guess is that it is the welcome center area and not the barracks though.  So far the only building we know that comes and goes is Jacob's cabin.  I'm hoping that every building and hatch on the island doesn't start doing this. Although Christian was in Jacob's moving cabin and now he's in othersville, so maybe the ghost town thing is what's going on.  One thing that you can be sure of with LOST is that you can never be sure.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: TheUnabeefer on March 21, 2009, 09:36:04 PM
My first thought was that the guam flight crashed on the Others' other island. The one that the losties didn't know about.

That's what I'm thinking; I can't think of another explanation for the shelter the Guam flight people have.

And that is exactly where they were.  Now where in time exactly are Sun/Ben/Frank. When they went to the barracks it looks like they were completely dilapidated like the Others never lived there after the DI purge.


Well, the time stamp stated "Thirty Years Later" ... and afaik, 30 years from 1977 is 2007 (3 years after the Oceanic 6 left the island)   ...and yeah, it did look like no one had lived there after the Dharma, but it could just be chalked up to either having been abandoned for 3 years, left to the wiles of the smoke monster OR it's just a figment of the Island, a la Jacob's cabin... which looked old as hell, and then randomly disappeared and reappeared in various places.

So perhaps it was just like a "shadows of things to be" sorta look.  I figure we'll find out soon enough.

Yeah, I've heard that theory too.  My guess is that it is the welcome center area and not the barracks though.  So far the only building we know that comes and goes is Jacob's cabin.  I'm hoping that every building and hatch on the island doesn't start doing this. Although Christian was in Jacob's moving cabin and now he's in othersville, so maybe the ghost town thing is what's going on.  One thing that you can be sure of with LOST is that you can never be sure.

The Welcome Center thing makes more than perfect sense to me, and it was always a ways away from the general barracks.  I'm going with this one.,
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on March 21, 2009, 11:21:38 PM
My first thought was that the guam flight crashed on the Others' other island. The one that the losties didn't know about.

That's what I'm thinking; I can't think of another explanation for the shelter the Guam flight people have.

And that is exactly where they were.  Now where in time exactly are Sun/Ben/Frank. When they went to the barracks it looks like they were completely dilapidated like the Others never lived there after the DI purge.


Well, the time stamp stated "Thirty Years Later" ... and afaik, 30 years from 1977 is 2007 (3 years after the Oceanic 6 left the island)   ...and yeah, it did look like no one had lived there after the Dharma, but it could just be chalked up to either having been abandoned for 3 years, left to the wiles of the smoke monster OR it's just a figment of the Island, a la Jacob's cabin... which looked old as hell, and then randomly disappeared and reappeared in various places.

So perhaps it was just like a "shadows of things to be" sorta look.  I figure we'll find out soon enough.

Yeah, I've heard that theory too.  My guess is that it is the welcome center area and not the barracks though.  So far the only building we know that comes and goes is Jacob's cabin.  I'm hoping that every building and hatch on the island doesn't start doing this. Although Christian was in Jacob's moving cabin and now he's in othersville, so maybe the ghost town thing is what's going on.  One thing that you can be sure of with LOST is that you can never be sure.

The Welcome Center thing makes more than perfect sense to me, and it was always a ways away from the general barracks.  I'm going with this one.,

I'm trying to remember but I don't think they ever showed the buildings near the dock back when Lock blew up the sub.  The others used the dock but probably had no use for the buildings near it.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: TheUnabeefer on March 21, 2009, 11:28:05 PM
I'm trying to remember but I don't think they ever showed the buildings near the dock back when Lock blew up the sub.  The others used the dock but probably had no use for the buildings near it.

I've always had some weeeeird feeling that it was a non-working sub, and locke found that out before he blew it up.  Something odd about how they knock people out before they come to the island, and then wake up on a sub that's docked already......  I've had that feeling ever since I first saw Locke drenched for no apparent reason as the sub blew up.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: bratpop on March 21, 2009, 11:43:55 PM
I suppose, but how much more convoluted does it need to be? Can't there just be a sub? They're able to take a helicopter from the island. They're able to drop food from the plane.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: MrTorso on March 22, 2009, 12:04:04 AM
I suppose, but how much more convoluted does it need to be? Can't there just be a sub? They're able to take a helicopter from the island. They're able to drop food from the plane.

Speaking of the food drops. I bet that since they are with the Dharma Initiative now they set something up to help themselves out.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on March 22, 2009, 12:08:21 AM
I suppose, but how much more convoluted does it need to be? Can't there just be a sub? They're able to take a helicopter from the island. They're able to drop food from the plane.

Speaking of the food drops. I bet that since they are with the Dharma Initiative now they set something up to help themselves out.

Same goes for the "landing strip" cut into the jungle for the plane to land/crash on, has to be more than a coincidence that it was there in just the right place.

There's probably going to be a lot of "setting things up" for their future selves....
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: mrbasehart on March 22, 2009, 07:20:47 AM
Well, now we've seen "young Ben" it explains a bit about old Ben.  Like how he knows who they are, who everyone is, and why he can get away with that sort of stuff he's been doing over the past few years.  He knew he wouldn't die.  At least not until they'd met him when he was a youngster.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: dangfish on March 22, 2009, 07:48:47 AM
I suppose, but how much more convoluted does it need to be? Can't there just be a sub? They're able to take a helicopter from the island. They're able to drop food from the plane.

Speaking of the food drops. I bet that since they are with the Dharma Initiative now they set something up to help themselves out.

Same goes for the "landing strip" cut into the jungle for the plane to land/crash on, has to be more than a coincidence that it was there in just the right place.

There's probably going to be a lot of "setting things up" for their future selves....

I love the idea about them setting up the food drop for themselves.  The landing strip, however, doesn' t quite work out for me.  Didn't the others build the landing strip? Our Losties had nothing to do with that.  I imagine someone knew the landing strip was going to be needed but at this point I have no idea who it might be. The most logical guess is that Ben somehow knew.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: TheUnabeefer on March 22, 2009, 11:07:45 AM
I suppose, but how much more convoluted does it need to be? Can't there just be a sub? They're able to take a helicopter from the island. They're able to drop food from the plane.

Speaking of the food drops. I bet that since they are with the Dharma Initiative now they set something up to help themselves out.

Same goes for the "landing strip" cut into the jungle for the plane to land/crash on, has to be more than a coincidence that it was there in just the right place.

There's probably going to be a lot of "setting things up" for their future selves....

I love the idea about them setting up the food drop for themselves.  The landing strip, however, doesn' t quite work out for me.  Didn't the others build the landing strip? Our Losties had nothing to do with that.  I imagine someone knew the landing strip was going to be needed but at this point I have no idea who it might be. The most logical guess is that Ben somehow knew.

Sawyer and Kate helped build it, but it was at gunpoint.... and they didn't know why they were doing it.

Where the hell are Rose and Bernard!? and Vincent....
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on March 22, 2009, 03:54:41 PM
I suppose, but how much more convoluted does it need to be? Can't there just be a sub? They're able to take a helicopter from the island. They're able to drop food from the plane.

Speaking of the food drops. I bet that since they are with the Dharma Initiative now they set something up to help themselves out.

Same goes for the "landing strip" cut into the jungle for the plane to land/crash on, has to be more than a coincidence that it was there in just the right place.

There's probably going to be a lot of "setting things up" for their future selves....

I love the idea about them setting up the food drop for themselves.  The landing strip, however, doesn' t quite work out for me.  Didn't the others build the landing strip? Our Losties had nothing to do with that.  I imagine someone knew the landing strip was going to be needed but at this point I have no idea who it might be. The most logical guess is that Ben somehow knew.

Sawyer and Kate helped build it, but it was at gunpoint.... and they didn't know why they were doing it.

Where the hell are Rose and Bernard!? and Vincent....

I totally forgot about what was being built when Kate, Sawyer, and Jack were being held.  So it probably was Ben somehow finding out that he would be aboard the plane and need a place to land safely.  Had to be built no more than a few years before the crash or else the jungle would grow back.

As to who's left, it seems like everyone else that was jumping through time is gone....
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: mrbasehart on March 22, 2009, 06:19:56 PM
Or we might see them with the current time Others.  It'd certainly be interesting to see what's up with that group now. 

Oh, I thought I'd mention how much I loved the conversation between Jack and Sawyer at the end of the recent episode.  Jack, you aren't the hero.  Sawyer is now awesome.  :)
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: gbeenie on March 22, 2009, 06:47:40 PM
I liked the unspoken resentment Sawyer's clearly been harboring all this time; I also liked Jack's relief at not being the one who has to make decisions anymore.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: mrbasehart on March 22, 2009, 06:49:53 PM
Was that relief? I actually thought his smile was kinda condescending.  And I really hope Sawyer doesn't get involved with Kate -- she's a downer.  :)
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: gbeenie on March 22, 2009, 06:57:48 PM
Yeah, I hope that whole love trapezoid gets sorted out quickly.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: gbeenie on March 22, 2009, 07:04:57 PM
Was that relief? I actually thought his smile was kinda condescending. 

Do you mean, "Well, let's see how you like making all the decisions"? If so, I'm not sure those two feelings are mutually exclusive.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: mrbasehart on March 22, 2009, 07:48:49 PM
Was that relief? I actually thought his smile was kinda condescending. 

Do you mean, "Well, let's see how you like making all the decisions"? If so, I'm not sure those two feelings are mutually exclusive.

Yeah, you're right.  I still can't see Jack being a janitor for very long though.  :)
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: TheUnabeefer on March 22, 2009, 11:12:58 PM
Was that relief? I actually thought his smile was kinda condescending.  And I really hope Sawyer doesn't get involved with Kate -- she's a downer.  :)

Yeah, and Sawyer being with Juliet was the first romance on this show that didn't feel forced down my throat.... it was quite nice and natural.  Kate's just a whiney biatch.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: dangfish on March 23, 2009, 04:06:41 AM
Was that relief? I actually thought his smile was kinda condescending.  And I really hope Sawyer doesn't get involved with Kate -- she's a downer.  :)

I watched the episode again.  Sure looked like relief to me.  I think that Jack has changed in the three years he's been off the island.  He's learned that he must be willing to follow others in order to accomplish whatever it is the island ultimately expects from him. He now believes in faith and destiny, just as Locke was trying to get him to do.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: James of LinHood on March 23, 2009, 04:34:26 AM
What's even more ironic to me is that I don't think I've watched this episode since LOST has been on the air, and they just started this season with the whole unstuck in time thing.  Coincidence?

Yes.

The term "unstuck in time" is the Lost writer's shout out to the novel Slaughterhouse Five.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slaughterhouse-Five (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slaughterhouse-Five).  I'm fairly certain that's what Joel was referencing in his riff too.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: Rude on March 23, 2009, 11:31:20 AM
...

Spoilers:

Marathon session... just watched every episode from this season on Saturday. Counting the recap show, that's nearly ten hours of LOST. I'm surprised i didn't meld to the couch.

Anyway, i was excited to see that they haven't swept a few of the older mysteries under the rug quite yet. Seeing both the smoke monster and the statue again was awesome. And that temple was certainly intriguing.

I have to say though, time travel seemed to make much more sense to me when it was the island moving through time... as opposed to the characters. Ya' know, considering it was the mechanism used to move the island that had been malfuntioning. And when that was finally corrected all time travel completely ceased. Of course there are two groups of LOSTies who traveled to the island together, but now exist in different periods of time... so that idea is out the door.

To me that signals a big shift away from the psuedo-science of the LOST world, and a trend more towards some kind of supernatural intervention. Which is fine, the show has always had those elements. But in this case it really seemed to fly in the face of what had already been established this season.

-Rude
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: dangfish on March 23, 2009, 01:57:00 PM
What's even more ironic to me is that I don't think I've watched this episode since LOST has been on the air, and they just started this season with the whole unstuck in time thing.  Coincidence?

Yes.

The term "unstuck in time" is the Lost writer's shout out to the novel Slaughterhouse Five.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slaughterhouse-Five (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slaughterhouse-Five).  I'm fairly certain that's what Joel was referencing in his riff too.

Yeah, It was a rhetorical question.  I know they got it from Slaughterhouse Five. It would be a pretty wacky world if network TV producers are stealing stuff from 30 year old japanese television shows.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: gbeenie on March 23, 2009, 02:00:20 PM
If, by "wacky," you mean "awesome," then YES.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: Maverick Joe Six-Pack on March 26, 2009, 06:32:17 AM
I really wish there were more episodes about Sayid.  His episodes are always awesome. 

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Also... is it safe to assume that the bones they found way back when were Bernard and Rose? 
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: bratpop on March 26, 2009, 06:36:45 AM
The book Ben from Lost Babies gave to Sayid said "Alternate Realities," so my guess is that they cannot change the future, only create new ones. In that case, Rose & Bernard wouldn't have been in the cave. Also, that's a shitty way for two characters to die. Just sit and rot in a cave when everybody else gets rescued? What's the point of that? Presumably they'd have to run into SOMEONE in all those years, unless they were killed. And you'd think they would build another shelter or something. Besides, everyone thinks that. And if it seems safe to assume, then it's safe to assume it's something else entirely.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: pezdrake on March 26, 2009, 06:48:53 AM
Well, since Bernard and Rose don’t particularly wan to leave the island, I don’t know that it would necessarily suck but I don’t think that is who they were.  Also I think that it’s pretty safe to assume that…

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Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: James of LinHood on March 26, 2009, 07:01:03 AM
WARNING: I'm not going to use spoiler tags because the episode already aired.  If you don't want to know spoilers then ignore the rest of my post!



First of all, after Ben was shot they showed him laying on the ground for quite a few seconds afterwards.  I saw him breathing just fine.  If he was dead you'd think the director would have told the actor to hold his breath for 30 seconds while they shot that scene (No pun intended).

Also, I saw this on another board I post on:

"Some are speculating that Ben doesn't remember Sayid killing him...but I think he DOES remember. What is the last thing Sayid tells Ben before he shoots him? "I am a killer." What does Ben say to Sayid to convince him to liberate Hurley? "You're a killer." I think Ben has remembered him all along!"

I really like that theory and I hope it's true.

And screw what happened to Rose and Bernard; where the hell is Faraday?!   :)
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: Maverick Joe Six-Pack on March 26, 2009, 08:38:17 AM
The book Ben from Lost Babies gave to Sayid said "Alternate Realities,"

They're as subtle as a mack truck sometimes
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: SmilinJackRoss on March 26, 2009, 08:48:36 AM
And screw what happened to Rose and Bernard; where the hell is Faraday?!   :)

I've been wondering about this as well....where was he the last time we saw him?  I honestly can't remember.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: James of LinHood on March 26, 2009, 08:56:14 AM
And screw what happened to Rose and Bernard; where the hell is Faraday?!   :)

I've been wondering about this as well....where was he the last time we saw him?  I honestly can't remember.

The last time I remember seeing him is when he saw Charlotte as a child.  Right after that the Dharma alarm goes off we see him walk off screen.  We have not seen him since.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on March 26, 2009, 09:56:36 AM
And screw what happened to Rose and Bernard; where the hell is Faraday?!   :)

I've been wondering about this as well....where was he the last time we saw him?  I honestly can't remember.

The last time I remember seeing him is when he saw Charlotte as a child.  Right after that the Dharma alarm goes off we see him walk off screen.  We have not seen him since.

I can't remember what James said to Jack about Faraday.  Something about him being "gone"?  Maybe he couldn't help himself, told Charlotte not to come back to the island, and then had a mental breakdown realising..

As for young Ben.
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Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: pezdrake on March 26, 2009, 10:35:49 AM
My guess is that Faraday is out there somewhere crazy as a loon.  Also, remind me - they sid they were in the planning stages of the Swan?  Is that right? 
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: dignan on March 26, 2009, 11:21:35 AM
Yeah, Ben ain't dead yet!  Still, I was surprised that Sayid's shot was, you know, that accurate.  Heh.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: MrTorso on March 26, 2009, 11:22:26 AM
I think we already established that when discussing the already aired episodes there is no need for spoiler tags. We should only use tags if you are posting actual spoilers from leak sites or what not about future un-aired episodes. 


Also the first rule of shooting someone dead is aim for the head. I doubt young Ben is dead.


Also, I saw this on another board I post on:

Quote
"Some are speculating that Ben doesn't remember Sayid killing him...but I think he DOES remember. What is the last thing Sayid tells Ben before he shoots him? "I am a killer." What does Ben say to Sayid to convince him to liberate Hurley? "You're a killer." I think Ben has remembered him all along!"


Which is why I really hat time travel crap. At that point Sayid hasn't gone back in time to say it. 
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: Maverick Joe Six-Pack on March 26, 2009, 11:29:43 AM
When the season started they showed him in the 70s working in the cave with the wheel that's connected to the time travel energy... so he probably when back in time or some such...
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: pezdrake on March 26, 2009, 11:46:25 AM
Okay so just so I have everything straight – Sawyer Juliet, Jin, Faraday… they are there in 1974 or so when the time flashes stop, they hang around for three years then the second plane from 2008 or so “crashes” and Jack, Sawyer, Hurley, Sayid and Kate are hurled back to 1977 to find the seventies crew working at Dharma and Sun, Locke, Lapidus et al are – when? It seems they are in 2008 to me but I can’t tell for sure. I don’t know how in the world Sun plans on getting back to join Jin, though it seems like a better idea for Jin to go forward in time to meet Sun considering that Dharma’s going to get wiped out.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: Maverick Joe Six-Pack on March 26, 2009, 11:52:04 AM
Okay so just so I have everything straight – Sawyer Juliet, Jin, Faraday… they are there in 1974 or so when the time flashes stop, they hang around for three years then the second plane from 2008 or so “crashes” and Jack, Sawyer, Hurley, Sayid and Kate are hurled back to 1977 to find the seventies crew working at Dharma and Sun, Locke, Lapidus et al are – when? It seems they are in 2008 to me but I can’t tell for sure. I don’t know how in the world Sun plans on getting back to join Jin, though it seems like a better idea for Jin to go forward in time to meet Sun considering that Dharma’s going to get wiped out.

There's a nagging fear in the back of my mind that Lost is gonna become The Lake House
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: dignan on March 26, 2009, 12:10:49 PM
Okay so just so I have everything straight – Sawyer Juliet, Jin, Faraday… they are there in 1974 or so when the time flashes stop, they hang around for three years then the second plane from 2008 or so “crashes” and Jack, Sawyer, Hurley, Sayid and Kate are hurled back to 1977 to find the seventies crew working at Dharma and Sun, Locke, Lapidus et al are – when? It seems they are in 2008 to me but I can’t tell for sure. I don’t know how in the world Sun plans on getting back to join Jin, though it seems like a better idea for Jin to go forward in time to meet Sun considering that Dharma’s going to get wiped out.

Well, two episodes ago, when it cut from Lapidus, Ben, and Sun on the plane back to Sawyer et al, it said "30 Years Earlier," so that'd make it 2007/2008.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on March 26, 2009, 01:17:20 PM
My guess is that Faraday is out there somewhere crazy as a loon.  Also, remind me - they sid they were in the planning stages of the Swan?  Is that right? 

Yes, so there are at least a few more years to go before Darma gets wiped out.

Lock was shot in the chest multiple times and came back, then was dead for weeks and came back, Jacks dad was dead and seems to be back, pretty obvious Ben is coming back.

Also the first rule of shooting someone dead is aim for the head. I doubt young Ben is dead.

Yea, when you want your characters to come back from the dead, don't blow their heads open...
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: James of LinHood on March 26, 2009, 02:07:53 PM
Okay, this isn't related to season five itself.  But I'm a huge Lost fan so you'll have to excuse me while I geek out.

Last summer I saw that this new site called liveautographs.com would let you get autographs from celebs.  The twist is that you can submit questions to them and the celebs will record a video segment answering your questions. 

Since Matthew Fox is notorious for not signing autographs, I decided to get his through this site.  Jack is my favorite character after all.   :)

Well, after months of delays I got an e-mail today that told me that due to scheduling conflicts the Lost cast can't do the video portion of the signing.

But, to make up for it they're giving me a poster that will be signed by the cast of season five!  (Matthew Fox, Evangeline Lilly, Josh Holloway, Henry Ian Cusick, Jorge Garcia, Daniel Dae Kim, Yunjin Kim, Michael Emerson, Elizabeth Mitchell, Terry O'Quinn, Ken Leung).

I usually don't get that crazy about autographs but I loooooooove this show.  So, I'm actually kinda freaking out right now.  Wooooo!
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: dangfish on March 26, 2009, 02:09:27 PM
My guess is that Faraday is out there somewhere crazy as a loon.  Also, remind me - they sid they were in the planning stages of the Swan?  Is that right? 

Here's my theory on what Faraday might be up to:

My guess is that Faraday is on his own private quest to try and prevent the redhead from getting killed. Even though he's the one that is always spouting the time travel rules, he's going to try to break them to save the woman he loves. He has said that the 'rules don't apply to Desmond.'  I believe this is because Desmond imploded the hatch and somehow the radiation effected him in a certain way. Faraday will either try to enlist Desmond's help or try to repeat Desmond's actions so the rules won't apply to him. Remember, we saw him skulking around the Orchid in a hard hat.  This might explain why his mother seemed so non-commital when Desmond delivered her son's message. Perhaps she is upset with him for messing with the natural time travel order of things. It might also explain why he is crying in his flashback when he sees the news story about the Oceanic plane crash. He realizes that all his efforts were for nothing since history is repeating itself.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: dangfish on March 26, 2009, 02:19:41 PM
WARNING: I'm not going to use spoiler tags because the episode already aired.  If you don't want to know spoilers then ignore the rest of my post!



First of all, after Ben was shot they showed him laying on the ground for quite a few seconds afterwards.  I saw him breathing just fine.  If he was dead you'd think the director would have told the actor to hold his breath for 30 seconds while they shot that scene (No pun intended).

Also, I saw this on another board I post on:

"Some are speculating that Ben doesn't remember Sayid killing him...but I think he DOES remember. What is the last thing Sayid tells Ben before he shoots him? "I am a killer." What does Ben say to Sayid to convince him to liberate Hurley? "You're a killer." I think Ben has remembered him all along!"

I really like that theory and I hope it's true.

And screw what happened to Rose and Bernard; where the hell is Faraday?!   :)

I agree that Ben Remembers.  I think he killed Sayid's wife out of revenge for Sayid shooting him.  When he convinces Sayid that Widmore killed his wife, he is walking away with this evil grin on his face. At least, that's what I believe at the moment. With this show, theories are changed weekly.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: dangfish on March 26, 2009, 02:28:33 PM
The book Ben from Lost Babies gave to Sayid said "Alternate Realities," so my guess is that they cannot change the future, only create new ones. In that case, Rose & Bernard wouldn't have been in the cave. Also, that's a shitty way for two characters to die. Just sit and rot in a cave when everybody else gets rescued? What's the point of that? Presumably they'd have to run into SOMEONE in all those years, unless they were killed. And you'd think they would build another shelter or something. Besides, everyone thinks that. And if it seems safe to assume, then it's safe to assume it's something else entirely.

The book was entitled  'A Separate Reality' by Carlos Castaneda.  I've never read it, but it's about the effects of taking peyote.  Apparently, however, the importance of the book is not the drug taking, but  that most of us are not seeing the true reality.  The idea is that the normal 9 to 5 way we live our lives is preventing us from seeing reality as it really is.

I don't think Rose and Bernard will be the skeletons. The producers have said many times that at the end of the series they will be able to point back to the skeletons and say  'see!  We told you we weren't making it up as we went along!'   I think the skeletons are going to be a really big deal and Rose and Bernard are just not in that category.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: TheUnabeefer on March 26, 2009, 05:32:01 PM
WARNING: I'm not going to use spoiler tags because the episode already aired.  If you don't want to know spoilers then ignore the rest of my post!



First of all, after Ben was shot they showed him laying on the ground for quite a few seconds afterwards.  I saw him breathing just fine.  If he was dead you'd think the director would have told the actor to hold his breath for 30 seconds while they shot that scene (No pun intended).

Also, I saw this on another board I post on:

"Some are speculating that Ben doesn't remember Sayid killing him...but I think he DOES remember. What is the last thing Sayid tells Ben before he shoots him? "I am a killer." What does Ben say to Sayid to convince him to liberate Hurley? "You're a killer." I think Ben has remembered him all along!"

I really like that theory and I hope it's true.

And screw what happened to Rose and Bernard; where the hell is Faraday?!   :)

I agree that Ben Remembers.  I think he killed Sayid's wife out of revenge for Sayid shooting him.  When he convinces Sayid that Widmore killed his wife, he is walking away with this evil grin on his face. At least, that's what I believe at the moment. With this show, theories are changed weekly.

As I remember from Ana Lucia's episode....  "You never forget the face of the man who shot you"
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: bratpop on March 26, 2009, 07:00:11 PM
If Jack starts stomping on butterflies and each one causes the death of somebody from season one, I fucking quit this show. I hate that dumbass time travel logic. Time only moves forward, whether you go to the past or not. You don't exist in the past before you get a time machine, only after. You can't change everybody else's reality, only your own. If nothing they do matters, then the show doesn't matter. If you can't change things, it's pointless. If you CAN change things, it creates a paradox and you get stupid shit like Donnie Darko. My worst fear is that this show will become Donnie Darko. Donnie Darko was written by a guy who makes M. Night look like Shakespeare. This is absolutely the worst possible way to do retro continuity. Just have all the idiots from Oceanic cause all the crap that doesn't make any sense. Walt's dog will end up creating the smoke monster. Ben's bug eyes will pop out and become possessed by a demon from the ruins and go back in time and transport polar bears to the island. Jack and Kate will have a baby named Claire, and Jin will become his own grandfather.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: Rude on March 26, 2009, 07:42:40 PM
Quote from: bratpop
If you can't change things, it's pointless. If you CAN change things, it creates a paradox and you get stupid shit...

Might as well fucking quit the show, because those are the only two options and you don't seemed pleased with either one! But i love how you're getting all worked up because they're not doing time-travel... what? The correct way, or something?  :D

Anyway, i would have preferred that the island itself was glitching out through time. But really the only idea that makes sense to me about time-travel is summed up by Faraday when he says "Whatever happened, happened." Nothing would make me happier than if the entire series became some sort of Möbius strip, or like Hofstadter's concept of a "strange loop."

I think it'd be brilliant if the final episode segued directly back into the first.

I mean, that's the only way to explain time-travel without getting into alternate realities. Unfortunately it looks like Desmond is going to screw with that theory, which means... alternate realities. Bummer. But who knows?

-Rude
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on March 26, 2009, 08:35:16 PM
Anyway, i would have preferred that the island itself was glitching out through time. But really the only idea that makes sense to me about time-travel is summed up by Faraday when he says "Whatever happened, happened." Nothing would make me happier than if the entire series became some sort of Möbius strip, or like Hofstadte's concept of a "strange loop."

Next weeks episode is titled "What Ever Happned, Happened", so we can assume nothing is changed.

It does seem kind of pointless to do all this time travel if they can't change anything.  But there is the "war" Widmore talked about, my guess is the time travel sets up stuff for the future.  We have to think they'll end up in their proper time at some point. and who knows what stuff they learn the past will help them.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: bratpop on March 26, 2009, 08:41:10 PM
The problem is, there is no drama on the part of the characters. They aren't trying to "figure out" the show like we are. The Six went back to  ambiguously save the other Losties, who were all fine. So now they're just drooling in their cereal. They haven't even brought it up, really. They're just like, "Hmm, okay. Whatever! Pass the sandwiches." So what's the point? What's the plot? What's going on? When they were stuck on an island, okay. Nothing to do. Stuff happens. Now they're stuck on the island again for no real reason, AND stuck in the past, and just waiting around for stuff to happen. It's so passive. Only Sayid had a "purpose" and it was a stupid one.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: Rude on March 26, 2009, 09:24:08 PM
Quote from: bratpop
Now they're stuck on the island again for no real reason, AND stuck in the past, and just waiting around for stuff to happen. It's so passive.

Now that's a legit complaint. I never understood why any of them would really want to go back to the island, other than Sun who's looking for her husband. Jack's whole "poor me, i'm lost in life and have no direction" alcoholism plot always seemed lame to me.

Even Locke couldn't convince them to return. Yet, there they were... all on the plane, together. So i assume they all have reasons for going back. Perhaps more than a few of them were there against their will, or to accomplish some secret mission. So while it might all seem very passive for now, i'm sure that will change very soon. Each one of them must have an agenda of some sort.

So the drama is coming... have some patience there, kiddo.

-Rude
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: bratpop on March 26, 2009, 10:42:59 PM
But we already know Sayid was there for no reason, and he just decided he might as well try to kill Ben. Why should it be different for the rest of them? They're all there as plot devices. "Okay, Hurley... you have to order wigs and disguises for the Others so that they will have wigs and disguises in the future. Kate, you have to fix all the other plot holes. Go!"
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: dangfish on March 27, 2009, 04:16:08 AM
But we already know Sayid was there for no reason, and he just decided he might as well try to kill Ben. Why should it be different for the rest of them? They're all there as plot devices. "Okay, Hurley... you have to order wigs and disguises for the Others so that they will have wigs and disguises in the future. Kate, you have to fix all the other plot holes. Go!"

Bratpop, you obviously sound as though you are not enjoying the show at all. If you find LOST that upsetting, why in the world do you continue to watch?
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: James of LinHood on March 27, 2009, 08:51:03 AM
I just remembered that I should check on the Season 5 Dark UFO Lost Fantasy League.  As of Namaste (The March 18th episode) I'm in 775th place!  Much better than were I started out from.  I'm heading in the right direction!  W00t!
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: anais.jude on March 27, 2009, 10:12:52 AM
and Jin will become his own grandfather.

Well he did do the nasty in the pasty
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: k1 on March 27, 2009, 10:40:00 AM
I just remembered that I should check on the Season 5 Dark UFO Lost Fantasy League.  As of Namaste (The March 18th episode) I'm in 775th place!  Much better than were I started out from.  I'm heading in the right direction!  W00t!

I'm better at fantasy baseball.

2204th place.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: TheUnabeefer on March 27, 2009, 12:22:12 PM
If Jack starts stomping on butterflies and each one causes the death of somebody from season one, I fucking quit this show. I hate that dumbass time travel logic. Time only moves forward, whether you go to the past or not. You don't exist in the past before you get a time machine, only after. You can't change everybody else's reality, only your own. If nothing they do matters, then the show doesn't matter. If you can't change things, it's pointless. If you CAN change things, it creates a paradox and you get stupid shit like Donnie Darko. My worst fear is that this show will become Donnie Darko. Donnie Darko was written by a guy who makes M. Night look like Shakespeare. This is absolutely the worst possible way to do retro continuity. Just have all the idiots from Oceanic cause all the crap that doesn't make any sense. Walt's dog will end up creating the smoke monster. Ben's bug eyes will pop out and become possessed by a demon from the ruins and go back in time and transport polar bears to the island. Jack and Kate will have a baby named Claire, and Jin will become his own grandfather.

Simply because of your comment about Donnie Darko, you are now my hero, bratpop.   :clap:

Anyone who thinks of time travel possibility in the terms of Donnie Darko needs to rethink quantum theory.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: bratpop on March 28, 2009, 02:16:08 AM
Well, Quantum Leap also had Sam changing things, which I still think is impossible. But they made up for it by saying that when he tried to save JFK, Jackie O died "the first time around." The rest of it is still nonsense, but it wasn't as serious a show as this.

Mind you, I don't know what the hell is going on in Lost. I just know what I don't want to see happen.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on March 28, 2009, 11:18:05 AM
They seem to be using the premise that what ever happened in the past happened, if you go back in time what ever you do just becomes part of history.  It's the same idea used in the Time Machine remake, you can't go back and change the event that caused you to build your time machine in the first place.  Also using that idea if you do something in the past, you can't avoid going back and doing it....

For example Sayid shooting Ben is probably what sets up the future mass murder of Darma.

But then they throw in the wild-card Desmond, who seem to have a flexible timeline.  So they have a way of making changes if they want.

Once they went down the physical time travel route it made the show pure fantasy, to physically go back in time you'd have to reverse every chemical and nuclear reaction in the universe perfectly.  Even if you could do that you'd also have to reverse every random event that happened along the way.

  Even with it as fantasy it's still fun to watch, aside from the mid season doldrums we are in now...
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: bratpop on March 29, 2009, 12:07:09 AM
The Time Machine remake sucked as much as Donnie Darko. Do you really want to compare Lost to that?
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on March 29, 2009, 10:59:23 AM
The Time Machine remake sucked as much as Donnie Darko. Do you really want to compare Lost to that?

No, just using it as an example.  For a good example, hmmmm............

OK, how about the Star Trek Next Generation episode where they find Data's head, since they found the head there's no way they could avoid traveling into the past to make those events happen, since they already happened.  ;D
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: TheUnabeefer on March 30, 2009, 04:28:20 PM
I like to think of Lost as a television show that is made solely to entertain me (and other people), and occasionally engage our minds and intrigue us.

Ahhh.... television.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: James of LinHood on April 01, 2009, 09:22:46 AM
I just remembered that I should check on the Season 5 Dark UFO Lost Fantasy League.  As of Namaste (The March 18th episode) I'm in 775th place!  Much better than were I started out from.  I'm heading in the right direction!  W00t!

....and as of He's Our You I'm up to 651st place overall!  Among the Spoilerfix league I'm tied for 22nd place.   :)
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on April 01, 2009, 08:53:40 PM
OK, another filler episode, now we know how Ben became "Ben".



What a huge cop out that Ben will not remember what happened, for a while I was thinking back to the episode when he was asking for lists of names of the crash survivors as the plane was crashing, so he could set things up for himself, maybe he does remember after all?

So, Jack helping save him would have changed the past, so of course he couldn't....

I hope they are done with the losties in Darmaville soon, really getting tired of it.  Preview for next week looks like all Lock and Ben, that should be good.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: bratpop on April 02, 2009, 02:02:02 AM
Oh noes, he will "lose his innocence!" How melodramatic and stupid. As if innocence is a thing that can be measured, sold, bought, lost, and shipped in little packages. Okay, you're all devil worshippers and you're going to have Satan bring him back to life, so maybe he won't be able to get into Heaven, but does he cease to be "innocent" when you do something TO him beyond his power of choice? If you're going to say something like "lose his innocence" like it's a fact, then don't you have to go by the actual definition? If you mean, "He's going to be a dickbag the rest of his life because his soul will be owned by Satan," then just say that.

I can deal with people saying stuff like, "It's my purpose," because they get looked at like they're crazy, but you can't say, "he will lose his innocence," to someone and not get a reaction. Like oh okay, he'll lose his innocence. Hmm. Well, I've never needed mine, so that's probably okay. I mean, forget the fact that the sole reason we're saving a child is because he's INNOCENT. Will he get to keep his aura? His soul? His savoir-faire? His je ne sais quoi? His panache? Please tell me his joie de vivre will remain in tact!
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: pezdrake on April 02, 2009, 06:22:00 AM
WHat my fiance asked last night at the end of the episode was, "That was what happened to Aaron?  Why did she make such a big deal and tell Jack not to ask her about it?"  Which was a good question to which I had two answers: It was probably too painful to talk about and second, it built suspense for us all to wonder what happened to him.   ::)

Anyhoo, it gave a decent explanation for shy Kate went there - out of love for Aaron and wanting to find his real mom for him.  And Jack's explanation? I don't feel completely happy with that one.  I am looking forward to the Hurley episode to see what motivated him to go back. 

Yeah the "lose his innocence" thing was a bit hokey. The kids already getting the $#%! beat out of him by his drunken dad and told he killed his mother so it's not like he's Opie Taylor. 
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: k1 on April 02, 2009, 08:11:14 AM
Oh noes, he will "lose his innocence!" How melodramatic and stupid. As if innocence is a thing that can be measured, sold, bought, lost, and shipped in little packages.

*knock knock* "Hi neighbor! Can I borrow a cup of innocence?"   :D
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: bratpop on April 02, 2009, 08:17:14 AM
I want the show to turn into Puff the Magic Dragon now and just be about Ben and the smoke monster.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: TheUnabeefer on April 02, 2009, 02:03:30 PM
I think there should be a saturday morning cartoon series spin-off... "Lost Babies" where they are all together as babies, in a nursery.... the nanny has 4 toes.

Little Boone can be "a sacrifice the nursery demanded" or something like that....  Little Kate can go from trying to beat up little Jack to beating up little Sawyer, cuz she likes them of course.

This is gold!!!
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: dangfish on April 02, 2009, 02:09:29 PM
Speaking of Ben and the smoke monster, did Richard take young Ben to the smoke monster? He was taking him into the temple. The only other time we saw the temple the smoke monster had a cave underneath it and was doing something weird to all of the french folks that came with Rosseau. Rosseau said that they 'weren't themselves' anymore and that they were sick. Perhaps whatever the smoke monster does to you can keep you alive but also takes away your innocence (did Richard really say that? I don't think so) and turns you into an other? We saw Ben summon the smoke monster last season, so perhaps he does get the smoke monster treatment.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: MrTorso on April 02, 2009, 04:22:41 PM
... but also takes away your innocence (did Richard really say that? I don't think so) ...

Unfortunately he did.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: James of LinHood on April 07, 2009, 08:33:40 AM
FINALLY:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00139YA4O?ie=UTF8&tag=lostbooks-20&link_code=as3&camp=211189&creative=373489&creativeASIN=B00139YA4O (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00139YA4O?ie=UTF8&tag=lostbooks-20&link_code=as3&camp=211189&creative=373489&creativeASIN=B00139YA4O)

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001AQMBKA?ie=UTF8&tag=lostbooks-20&link_code=as3&camp=211189&creative=373489&creativeASIN=B001AQMBKA (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001AQMBKA?ie=UTF8&tag=lostbooks-20&link_code=as3&camp=211189&creative=373489&creativeASIN=B001AQMBKA)

I've been waiting for the first two seasons to hit Blu-Ray for awhile now.  Nice to see that they've finally gotten around to it.

Also, they've already announced that the release date for the Lost Season 5 DVD/Blu-Ray will be December 8th.

Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: dignan on April 08, 2009, 11:56:59 AM
I just remembered that I should check on the Season 5 Dark UFO Lost Fantasy League.  As of Namaste (The March 18th episode) I'm in 775th place!  Much better than were I started out from.  I'm heading in the right direction!  W00t!

....and as of He's Our You I'm up to 651st place overall!  Among the Spoilerfix league I'm tied for 22nd place.   :)

Where's the link for the overall placements?  I wonder how far I've dropped since week 1 when I was in 8th place overall. :)
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: James of LinHood on April 08, 2009, 01:32:39 PM
I just remembered that I should check on the Season 5 Dark UFO Lost Fantasy League.  As of Namaste (The March 18th episode) I'm in 775th place!  Much better than were I started out from.  I'm heading in the right direction!  W00t!

....and as of He's Our You I'm up to 651st place overall!  Among the Spoilerfix league I'm tied for 22nd place.   :)

Where's the link for the overall placements?  I wonder how far I've dropped since week 1 when I was in 8th place overall. :)

Here's a link directly to the spreadsheet:  http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pXy_MMpweXkBLnihAd9mnIQ (http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pXy_MMpweXkBLnihAd9mnIQ)

If that doesn't work you can get to it from here under the "Statistics and Tables" section:  http://darkufo.blogspot.com/2009/04/lost-fantasy-league-week-10-update.html (http://darkufo.blogspot.com/2009/04/lost-fantasy-league-week-10-update.html)
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on April 08, 2009, 07:54:07 PM

 Man they are dragging things out, was expecting more from smokey vs. Ben.

 Do we now know everything that happened back on the mainland?  I guess we still don't know why Hurley decided to get on the plane...

 They really are keeping us guessing as to who the real villain is...
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: MrTorso on April 08, 2009, 11:51:35 PM
When is Smokey going to make all those mechanical sounds again? Like it did in Season 1? I assume that Jack/Sawyer/Kate/Hurly/Miles/Jin all leave the Dharma Initiative before Young Ben gets back from the Others.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: pezdrake on April 09, 2009, 05:16:19 AM

 Man they are dragging things out, was expecting more from smokey vs. Ben.

 Do we now know everything that happened back on the mainland?  I guess we still don't know why Hurley decided to get on the plane...

 They really are keeping us guessing as to who the real villain is...

Well you just wanted them to wrap it all up in this episode didn't you?  I felt pretty staisfied with this episode, but I think my hopes were too high going in.  I liked Locke's confidence.  I guess when you die and come back there's not much you worry about.  Ben's up to his old tricks with trying to turn people against one another I see.  I think that there is more that happened back on the mainland with Ben and DEsmond and of course we hvan't seen the Hurley episode yet to see his story.  I am looking forward to Ghost Talker dude's story.  Ben got called on his sh!t by the Island too.  THat was satisfying.  I am looking forward to seeing what happened with Ben and Charles. 
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: Rattrap007 on April 09, 2009, 05:59:43 AM
Well I expected when I heard there will be two deaths (they were called Major and Major-ish) I expected them to be Des and Penny. But both survived and Ben just got his ass handed to him. Then when the smoke monster appeared I thought Ben would die.

Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: kodiakthejuggler on April 09, 2009, 06:51:56 AM
That was such a damn good episode, it was over before I knew it! Was nice to finally get a few answers and have some loose story threads tied up.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: pezdrake on April 09, 2009, 07:36:01 AM
Just talking about it with my coworker.  It’s looking like smokey is going to be along the mystical supernatural line which I guess is fine by me.  I’m fine with them just leaving it a mystery and saying as much.  I hope we get to see more though about the Otehrs and how they are connected to it and also what was it that happened to heal Ben?  Did smokey heal him or wasit something else down in the temple?  And the wall is to PROTECT the temple?  And did Ben say his people built it?  Man I have to watch this one again to get my questions straight. 
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on April 09, 2009, 08:19:52 AM
Just talking about it with my coworker.  It’s looking like smokey is going to be along the mystical supernatural line which I guess is fine by me.  I’m fine with them just leaving it a mystery and saying as much.  I hope we get to see more though about the Otehrs and how they are connected to it and also what was it that happened to heal Ben?  Did smokey heal him or wasit something else down in the temple?  And the wall is to PROTECT the temple?  And did Ben say his people built it?  Man I have to watch this one again to get my questions straight. 

He did say "we" built it, but he had to be talking about the others in general, the wall was there when Richard took young ben into the temple.  And he said it was to prevent outsiders from seeing the temple, not "protect" it, so there's another mystery for us "what does the temple look like?".

The toilet bowl sound was kind of cheesy when Ben called smokey.

I wonder if all the dead people walking around are created by smokey? I'm thinking back to Eco's brother, and now Alex.  This episode did bring up a whole lot of new questions, so we're back on track in that department.. 

Looks like we are getting out of the mid season slowness and ramping up for the end.




Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: pezdrake on April 09, 2009, 10:32:49 AM
Yeah, I assume that all the dead people we see are really the Island taking their forms, not actual ghosts.  Maybe we'll learn better in the ghost talker ep next week. 

Yes, I assumed Ben meant the others when he said "we" (or did he say "my people"? Either way...)

And what was the deal with the giant sphincter toilet flush?  That was pretty weird.  If you have to flush to let the monster out then why have we seen it mucking about the island all over the place.

Ben said that when Danielle hears whispers to run in order to save her daughter.  How would that save her daughter?



Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: gbeenie on April 09, 2009, 11:21:18 AM


Ben said that when Danielle hears whispers to run in order to save her daughter.  How would that save her daughter?


I assumed he was threatening the daughter.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: gbeenie on April 09, 2009, 11:25:13 AM
When I saw Ben show up all injured as they were preparing to leave for the island several episodes ago, I kind of figured it was related to an attempt on Penny's life. So, go me (especially since I haven't successfully guessed another goddamned thing that's gone on this season).
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: pezdrake on April 09, 2009, 11:42:51 AM
When I saw Ben show up all injured as they were preparing to leave for the island several episodes ago, I kind of figured it was related to an attempt on Penny's life. So, go me (especially since I haven't successfully guessed another goddamned thing that's gone on this season).

I don't think we've yet seen everything that happened between Penny, Desmond and Ben.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on April 09, 2009, 12:00:09 PM
When I saw Ben show up all injured as they were preparing to leave for the island several episodes ago, I kind of figured it was related to an attempt on Penny's life. So, go me (especially since I haven't successfully guessed another goddamned thing that's gone on this season).

I don't think we've yet seen everything that happened between Penny, Desmond and Ben.

I didn't catch who Ben told Sun to find if he didn't come back, and say he was sorry to, was it Desmond?
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: gbeenie on April 09, 2009, 12:03:09 PM
Yes.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on April 09, 2009, 12:11:31 PM
Ok, so there might be more to that story, maybe he got onto the boat (that would be an old cliche, throw the bad guy in the water and then have him climb back onto the boat as you leave).  Or maybe he was sorry for shooting him?
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: bratpop on April 09, 2009, 09:54:59 PM
Quote
They really are keeping us guessing as to who the real villain is...
Why does there have to be a "real villain"? I don't see any villainry going on. Just some people on a weird island.

This episode was a letdown. The only new thing we got was an Egyptian heiroglyph of a dude talking to the smoke monster, which means nothing.

The stupidest thing to me was that they don't have a word for the smoke monster. BULLSHIT! People have words for EVERYTHING, especially something that important. Couldn't the writers just make up a word? Look, it's easy: "We call it the Black Lodge." Utterly meaningless, but it makes it seem more important, not less.

"Hey, let's go be judged by the thing."
"What thing?"
"I dunno, the thing you call and it judges you."
"Man, are we out of Cheetos?"
"Haha, you're implying that we're all potheads."
"Yes. Yes I am."

I am officially dubbing it the Pot Smoke Monster. It surrounds you and you get paranoid and emotional and then sometimes you run into a tree and die.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: anais.jude on April 09, 2009, 09:57:44 PM
i think Charles and Ben are both villains
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: bratpop on April 09, 2009, 10:01:21 PM
I think Ben's eyeballs are the villains and if they ever escape his head, they will take over the world.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on April 10, 2009, 04:16:20 AM
I think Ben's eyeballs are the villains and if they ever escape his head, they will take over the world.

Tee Hee
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on April 10, 2009, 09:19:32 AM
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They really are keeping us guessing as to who the real villain is...
Why does there have to be a "real villain"? I don't see any villainry going on. Just some people on a weird island.
Really?  So killing lots of people doesn't make one a villain?
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This episode was a letdown. The only new thing we got was an Egyptian heiroglyph of a dude talking to the smoke monster, which means nothing.

The stupidest thing to me was that they don't have a word for the smoke monster. BULLSHIT! People have words for EVERYTHING, especially something that important. Couldn't the writers just make up a word? Look, it's easy: "We call it the Black Lodge." Utterly meaningless, but it makes it seem more important, not less.

The Egyptian stuff does tell us that smokey has been around a long time, it wasn't something the Darma people cooked up.

I'm sure they have a name for it, Ben tends to lie about stuff...
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on April 10, 2009, 09:33:38 AM
The stupidest thing to me was that they don't have a word for the smoke monster. BULLSHIT! People have words for EVERYTHING, especially something that important. Couldn't the writers just make up a word? Look, it's easy: "We call it the Black Lodge." Utterly meaningless, but it makes it seem more important, not less.

Maybe they didn't dare because they were afraid if they named it it might think it was being called....like The Candyman...?

Some people are that superstitious.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: TheUnabeefer on April 10, 2009, 11:25:03 AM
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They really are keeping us guessing as to who the real villain is...
Why does there have to be a "real villain"? I don't see any villainry going on. Just some people on a weird island.
Really?  So killing lots of people doesn't make one a villain?

I think that would make almost everyone on the show a villain.  Hurley and Walt are two of the only characters that haven't killed someone somehow....
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: dangfish on April 10, 2009, 01:03:21 PM
Yeah, I assume that all the dead people we see are really the Island taking their forms, not actual ghosts.  Maybe we'll learn better in the ghost talker ep next week. 





Yeah, we've seen a few dead people walking around the island since the first season. Which is one of the many things that makes me wonder if Locke is really 'alive alive'  or just  'island alive,' if you know what I mean.  How did he know to go to the temple to find Smokey?  How would he even know where it is?  He's never been there, as far as we know. And as someone said, he seems awfully calm and confident now. Is it only the confidence that comes from being resurrected from the dead or is Locke not really Locke anymore?
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on April 10, 2009, 02:38:32 PM
Yeah, I assume that all the dead people we see are really the Island taking their forms, not actual ghosts.  Maybe we'll learn better in the ghost talker ep next week.

Yeah, we've seen a few dead people walking around the island since the first season. Which is one of the many things that makes me wonder if Locke is really 'alive alive'  or just  'island alive,' if you know what I mean.  How did he know to go to the temple to find Smokey?  How would he even know where it is?  He's never been there, as far as we know. And as someone said, he seems awfully calm and confident now. Is it only the confidence that comes from being resurrected from the dead or is Locke not really Locke anymore?

We'll if he's "island alive" how was he walking around alive while not on the island?  Or are they trying to say that the island has that much power?

And - speaking of Locke - I'm still trying to figure out why from the outset that the others have been constantly amazed at everything weird they've seen there.  Since almost the minute they got there a parapeligic like Locke was able to walk again.  After that "miracle" why would anything else surprise them so much?

Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: MrTorso on April 10, 2009, 04:14:45 PM
We'll if he's "island alive" how was he walking around alive while not on the island?  Or are they trying to say that the island has that much power?

He was alive when he turned the donkey wheel and Ben killed him off the island when he was trying to get them to come back.  He hasn't been off the island since being "resurrected".
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: dangfish on April 11, 2009, 08:56:42 AM
We'll if he's "island alive" how was he walking around alive while not on the island?  Or are they trying to say that the island has that much power?

He was alive when he turned the donkey wheel and Ben killed him off the island when he was trying to get them to come back.  He hasn't been off the island since being "resurrected".

Yeah, we've only seen him alive on the island  (well, the big island and the small island where the plane crashed if you want to get technical) since he died. It was bugging me that Locke knew about the temple but then I re-watched the episode.  I forgot about the part where Ben asks Sun where Locke went and Sun said 'He had to do something.'  Then he comes walking out  of the woods.  My guess is he got instructions about the temple from Christian or someone.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on April 11, 2009, 10:16:50 AM
We'll if he's "island alive" how was he walking around alive while not on the island?  Or are they trying to say that the island has that much power?

He was alive when he turned the donkey wheel and Ben killed him off the island when he was trying to get them to come back.  He hasn't been off the island since being "resurrected".

Yeah, we've only seen him alive on the island  (well, the big island and the small island where the plane crashed if you want to get technical) since he died. It was bugging me that Locke knew about the temple but then I re-watched the episode.  I forgot about the part where Ben asks Sun where Locke went and Sun said 'He had to do something.'  Then he comes walking out  of the woods.  My guess is he got instructions about the temple from Christian or someone.

Yea, he probably went to the cabin to talk to Christian or Jacob, wonder if he can talk directly to Jacob now?

You have to wonder if he was dead after Ben shot him several times in the chest?  We never saw him stop breathing so I guess we have to assume the island kept him alive and healed him, but this could be his second resurrection.  Makes you wonder why Alex would make a big deal about Ben planning to kill Lock, he has failed twice now, I guess it was just to get Ben a little more cooperative?
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: dangfish on April 11, 2009, 11:19:29 AM
We'll if he's "island alive" how was he walking around alive while not on the island?  Or are they trying to say that the island has that much power?

He was alive when he turned the donkey wheel and Ben killed him off the island when he was trying to get them to come back.  He hasn't been off the island since being "resurrected".

Yeah, we've only seen him alive on the island  (well, the big island and the small island where the plane crashed if you want to get technical) since he died. It was bugging me that Locke knew about the temple but then I re-watched the episode.  I forgot about the part where Ben asks Sun where Locke went and Sun said 'He had to do something.'  Then he comes walking out  of the woods.  My guess is he got instructions about the temple from Christian or someone.

Yea, he probably went to the cabin to talk to Christian or Jacob, wonder if he can talk directly to Jacob now?

You have to wonder if he was dead after Ben shot him several times in the chest?  We never saw him stop breathing so I guess we have to assume the island kept him alive and healed him, but this could be his second resurrection.  Makes you wonder why Alex would make a big deal about Ben planning to kill Lock, he has failed twice now, I guess it was just to get Ben a little more cooperative?

I believe Ben only shot him once and then he fell into the Dharma dead people pit.  Still, for all we know, he could've been dead from the gun shot and that might have been resurrection number one.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: bratpop on April 12, 2009, 08:55:38 AM
Locke got pulled into smokey's lair in the first season, remember? I don't think we saw the not-temple wall, but Locke knew where the monsta lives. I dunno why he's all like, "I just know things" all of a sudden. BS. Liar.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on April 12, 2009, 10:14:24 AM
Locke got pulled into smokey's lair in the first season, remember? I don't think we saw the not-temple wall, but Locke knew where the monsta lives. I dunno why he's all like, "I just know things" all of a sudden. BS. Liar.

Trying to remember... Wasn't that just a hole in the ground in the middle of the jungle?  And didn't Jack (and someone else?) stop him from getting pulled all the way in?

Smokey did get a taste of him, does seem like if you make contact with smokey and survive you get linked with the island.

Yea, pretty funny that Lock is playing the bit from Monty Python's Holy Grail, "you got to know these things when you're a king ya know".  ;D
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: dangfish on April 12, 2009, 11:33:58 AM
Locke got pulled into smokey's lair in the first season, remember? I don't think we saw the not-temple wall, but Locke knew where the monsta lives. I dunno why he's all like, "I just know things" all of a sudden. BS. Liar.

Trying to remember... Wasn't that just a hole in the ground in the middle of the jungle?  And didn't Jack (and someone else?) stop him from getting pulled all the way in?

Smokey did get a taste of him, does seem like if you make contact with smokey and survive you get linked with the island.

Yea, pretty funny that Lock is playing the bit from Monty Python's Holy Grail, "you got to know these things when you're a king ya know".  ;D

Yeah, it was a different hole than the one by the temple wall. It was just a hole in the ground with no sign of the wall. Smokie tried to pull Locke down  into it. They threw a stick of dynamite into the hole. It blew up and then smokie let go and they pulled Locke out.   For some reason I also have a vague memory of the hole sealing up after that?  I could be wrong about that however. It's been awhile since I've seen it.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: MrTorso on April 15, 2009, 10:45:34 PM
Figured that Miles was related to Marvin Candle.  The guy in the van was also on the plane to Guam. Daniel is back.  Not a bad episode.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on April 15, 2009, 11:29:28 PM
Figured that Miles was related to Marvin Candle.  The guy in the van was also on the plane to Guam. Daniel is back.  Not a bad episode.

Yea, we finally got his connection to the island.

It was an interesting episode, cool to see the hatch being built.

It's getting a little more confusing who the people are that keep asking the statue question, they are not on Widmores' side, but didn't seem to know
Ben, a third faction?
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: pezdrake on April 16, 2009, 09:43:14 AM
It's getting a little more confusing who the people are that keep asking the statue question, they are not on Widmores' side, but didn't seem to know
Ben, a third faction?

Remember Rousseau's crewmates that went down into Smokey's hole and came out acting al weird?  I think the people asking about the shadow of the statue are all "infected" like them although I don't knwow exactly how or what that means.  Maybe the others have some way of safely harnessing the power of the island but if you get exposed the wrong way or don't do it right it messes with you and you get "infected". (?)
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: bratpop on April 16, 2009, 10:02:55 AM
I think the answer is "shadow poop."
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: iv3rdawG on April 18, 2009, 07:23:23 PM
I really loved that episode.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on April 20, 2009, 12:17:58 PM
We'll if he's "island alive" how was he walking around alive while not on the island?  Or are they trying to say that the island has that much power?

He was alive when he turned the donkey wheel and Ben killed him off the island when he was trying to get them to come back.  He hasn't been off the island since being "resurrected".

So, he was lying in that coffin at the end of the season for shits and giggles? He was dead on that mainland.  And what about while he was being chauffered around?  I only heard that part but I don't remember hearing any farting around with a wheelchair as he went to each one asking them to go back.

I'm confused then.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: dignan on April 20, 2009, 12:28:04 PM
We'll if he's "island alive" how was he walking around alive while not on the island?  Or are they trying to say that the island has that much power?

He was alive when he turned the donkey wheel and Ben killed him off the island when he was trying to get them to come back.  He hasn't been off the island since being "resurrected".

So, he was lying in that coffin at the end of the season for shits and giggles? He was dead on that mainland.  And what about while he was being chauffered around?  I only heard that part but I don't remember hearing any farting around with a wheelchair as he went to each one asking them to go back.

I'm confused then.

1. Locke turned the wheel.
2. Locke showed up in Tunisia.
3. Widmore sent Locke off to find his friends.
4. Locke found his friends, tried to get them to come back, they all declined.
5. Locke tried to commit suicide, Ben showed up, talked him out of it, got some information out of him, then killed Locke.
6. Jack took Locke's body on the plane with him.
7. Flash of light.
8. Locke is now alive again.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: Rude on April 20, 2009, 01:34:50 PM
Quote from: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck
I only heard that part but I don't remember hearing any farting around with a wheelchair as he went to each one asking them to go back.

Just to confuse you a little further... John was actually in a wheelchair again during that time. But it was from falling down the well before he turned the wheel. He broke his leg pretty bad and it had to be reset a couple of times.

-Rude
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: MrTorso on April 20, 2009, 08:53:05 PM

So, he was lying in that coffin at the end of the season for shits and giggles? He was dead on that mainland.  And what about while he was being chauffeured around?  I only heard that part but I don't remember hearing any farting around with a wheelchair as he went to each one asking them to go back.

I'm confused then.

Those were flash forwards. When Jack has the beard in Season 3 and is going to the funeral home and when in Season 4 you see Locke in the coffin. All the scenes with Locke being chauffeured around asking everyone to go back leads up to him being in the coffin.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on April 22, 2009, 09:41:14 AM
4. Locke found his friends, tried to get them to come back, they all declined.

Funny. Never got the feeling that Locke had any friends on the island. Not really.

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6. Jack took Locke's body on the plane with him.
7. Flash of light.
8. Locke is now alive again.

Like Jack's father?  Or is that still a mystery?
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: pezdrake on April 23, 2009, 10:34:06 AM
Was I the only one who was under the impression we were getting a new show last night.  I had a good (loud and profane) swearing spree about five minutes in when I realized we were getting a recap show then shut off the TV.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: Grillslinger on April 23, 2009, 10:47:58 AM
The guy in the van was also on the plane to Guam. 

He was? I missed that. Was he on the island after the crash?
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: MrTorso on April 23, 2009, 10:57:25 AM
The guy in the van was also on the plane to Guam. 

He was? I missed that. Was he on the island after the crash?

Yeah you can see him when they are messing around with that big metal crate.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: gbeenie on April 23, 2009, 11:30:40 AM
Fucking clip shows.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: k1 on April 23, 2009, 01:07:28 PM
Fucking clip shows.

Normally I'd agree, but our cable freaked out on the network channels last night and everything that the DVR recorded last night is a scrambled mess.  So I'm glad it wasn't a new one.  (Feels weird to say that.)
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: kodiakthejuggler on April 23, 2009, 01:12:48 PM
Fucking clip shows.

Now all the people who bitch that they don't know what the hell's going on with the show can shut up. It's all there, right in front of you. The narrator explained it. SHUT UP ALREADY!! hehe
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on April 23, 2009, 01:35:45 PM
Fucking clip shows.

Now all the people who bitch that they don't know what the hell's going on with the show can shut up. It's all there, right in front of you. The narrator explained it. SHUT UP ALREADY!! hehe

Yeah....and all those people who consider "Gravity's Rainbow" obscure...it's all written out in black and white isn't it?   ;)
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: dangfish on April 23, 2009, 02:18:53 PM
Was I the only one who was under the impression we were getting a new show last night.  I had a good (loud and profane) swearing spree about five minutes in when I realized we were getting a recap show then shut off the TV.

That's exactly the false impression the network wanted you to have. They advertised it as 'A startling new perspective on the Oceanic Six' knowing that many would think we were getting something new.  After six or seven recap shows, however, I've learned an important lesson. If they don't say 'A brand new lost'  then you won't be getting anything new, no matter what the hell else they say.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: kodiakthejuggler on April 23, 2009, 02:46:14 PM
Was I the only one who was under the impression we were getting a new show last night.  I had a good (loud and profane) swearing spree about five minutes in when I realized we were getting a recap show then shut off the TV.

That's exactly the false impression the network wanted you to have. They advertised it as 'A startling new perspective on the Oceanic Six' knowing that many would think we were getting something new.  After six or seven recap shows, however, I've learned an important lesson. If they don't say 'A brand new lost'  then you won't be getting anything new, no matter what the hell else they say.

Gotta love Marketers.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on April 23, 2009, 04:49:09 PM
Was I the only one who was under the impression we were getting a new show last night.  I had a good (loud and profane) swearing spree about five minutes in when I realized we were getting a recap show then shut off the TV.

That's exactly the false impression the network wanted you to have. They advertised it as 'A startling new perspective on the Oceanic Six' knowing that many would think we were getting something new.  After six or seven recap shows, however, I've learned an important lesson. If they don't say 'A brand new lost'  then you won't be getting anything new, no matter what the hell else they say.

Gotta love Marketers.

Sucker!
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: mrbasehart on April 25, 2009, 05:46:54 AM
Tut, tut Desmond:

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Desmond may be Daniel Faraday's constant for time travel, but a Lost crew member claims he was just a constant pain in the butt.

A former ABC Entertainment employee filed a harassment and sexual battery claim against Henry Ian Cusick Friday, claiming the Scottish actor groped her and made inappropriate sounds and gestures around her in October 2007 on the Lost set.

Plaintiff Chelsea Stone alleges that, on or about Oct. 16, Cusick "placed his hand on her buttocks" and then caressed her back "while making moaning sounds." He then put his face in her cleavage and wagged his head back and forth, according to the lawsuit filed in Los Angeles Superior Court. He then touched her breasts with his hands and kissed her on the mouth, Stone says.

Stone says that ABC and production company Grass Skirt Entertainment, which are also named as defendants, did nothing to keep her away from Cusick after she complained and, over the next several days, the actor and fellow employees became "very hostile" toward her.

On Oct. 28, 2007, Stone was informed that she had been fired, the lawsuit states.

Per the suit, "plaintiff suffered humiliation and severe mental and emotional distress, and suffered injury when by means of her stress Plaintiff miscarried," causing Stone to incur various medical expenses and suffer 'physical injuries, physical sickness, substantial losses in earnings" and other indignities.

A rep for Cusick would not comment on the lawsuit.

Stone is asking for unspecified damages to cover hostile work environment harassment, failure to remedy and prevent harassment, retaliation, wrongful termination in violation of public policy, intentional infliction of emotional distress and sexual battery.

[Source E! Online]
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: kodiakthejuggler on April 25, 2009, 05:51:19 AM
Wow. He did the motorboat. Good man.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: MrTorso on April 29, 2009, 10:04:40 PM
Really? Really? What ever happened, happened! Except for the "variables"!!  So now they are going to try to keep their plane from crashing and making the trip to L.A.? Is this where multiple realities start? 
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: TheUnabeefer on April 29, 2009, 10:54:57 PM
Really? Really? What ever happened, happened! Except for the "variables"!!  So now they are going to try to keep their plane from crashing and making the trip to L.A.? Is this where multiple realities start? 

It's my guess that whatever they want to do to "prevent" the incident from happening... will be what ultimately causes it.

In other words, by trying to change the future, they actually make the future what it's always been.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on April 29, 2009, 11:01:18 PM
Really? Really? What ever happened, happened! Except for the "variables"!!  So now they are going to try to keep their plane from crashing and making the trip to L.A.? Is this where multiple realities start? 

Yea, if they stop their plane from crashing then they wouldn't have gone back to stop it...  Lock will probably show up and stop them...  In the preview for next week it's hard to tell who Jack is talking to, and how did he get Faraday's notebook.

I like how they didn't show us exactly what he said to Charlotte, if he wanted to prove things could change did he say something different?  He should have just walked away and not said anything to here, that would have changed what happened...

I wonder if the writers did any research on H-bombs, the tritium used has a half life of 12 years, so after 30 years there's not much left.  So what's left is mostly just the trigger, a low yield A-bomb that might not detonate if the high explosives are no longer symmetrical...  But 99% of people don't know that so most will think the bomb could still wipe out the island.

Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on April 30, 2009, 07:34:36 AM
Really? Really? What ever happened, happened! Except for the "variables"!!  So now they are going to try to keep their plane from crashing and making the trip to L.A.? Is this where multiple realities start? 

It's my guess that whatever they want to do to "prevent" the incident from happening... will be what ultimately causes it.

In other words, by trying to change the future, they actually make the future what it's always been.
How much you want to bet they try to stop it and whatever they do to try to stop it is what distracted the guy (like one of them time warping to where he is and startling him) and kept him from hitting that button and therefore the plane crashes.....

Wish Abrams had thought of that before he made this new Trek movie.  Oh, sorry....   ;)
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: dignan on April 30, 2009, 08:14:46 AM
Really? Really? What ever happened, happened! Except for the "variables"!!  So now they are going to try to keep their plane from crashing and making the trip to L.A.? Is this where multiple realities start? 

It's my guess that whatever they want to do to "prevent" the incident from happening... will be what ultimately causes it.

In other words, by trying to change the future, they actually make the future what it's always been.

Yeah, that's what I'm thinking too...kind of like 12 Monkeys.  I should go watch 12 Monkeys again.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: gbeenie on April 30, 2009, 09:04:01 AM
Really? Really? What ever happened, happened! Except for the "variables"!!  So now they are going to try to keep their plane from crashing and making the trip to L.A.? Is this where multiple realities start? 

It's my guess that whatever they want to do to "prevent" the incident from happening... will be what ultimately causes it.

In other words, by trying to change the future, they actually make the future what it's always been.

Which is a point they already made with the shooting of young Ben. >sigh<
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: MrTorso on April 30, 2009, 10:24:54 AM
I figured that Widmore would be Daniel's dad. Also it seems that this clip that was supposed to be canon might not be now if it is Daniel behind the camera (unless Daniel is still alive):

http://www.youtube.com/v/XCVCzplSa6A

Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: Maverick Joe Six-Pack on April 30, 2009, 12:44:43 PM
So I guess it's a pretty safe assumption now that Jughead is hidden in the shadow of the statue. 

Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: dangfish on April 30, 2009, 02:49:04 PM


It's my guess that whatever they want to do to "prevent" the incident from happening... will be what ultimately causes it.

In other words, by trying to change the future, they actually make the future what it's always been.


I agree.  In fact, I think perhaps Fairaday knows this, but wants Jack to attempt to stop the incident anyway because he knows that Jack is 'supposed' to try and stop the plane crash future in order to create it.   I believe he did a similar thing with Professor Chang.  Miles asked Fairaday 'why did you tell him all that?' and Fairaday said  'so he does what he's supposed to do.'
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: MrTorso on April 30, 2009, 07:58:12 PM
So I guess it's a pretty safe assumption now that Jughead is hidden in the shadow of the statue. 

The only people asking that are in the future and if the 77'ers detonate it (4-toed statue anyone?) then it is gone and wouldn't be in the shadow of the statue anymore...

Also how does/did Widmore know/find out about Flight 815 being on the island anyway?
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on April 30, 2009, 08:07:40 PM


It's my guess that whatever they want to do to "prevent" the incident from happening... will be what ultimately causes it.

In other words, by trying to change the future, they actually make the future what it's always been.


I agree.  In fact, I think perhaps Fairaday knows this, but wants Jack to attempt to stop the incident anyway because he knows that Jack is 'supposed' to try and stop the plane crash future in order to create it.   I believe he did a similar thing with Professor Chang.  Miles asked Fairaday 'why did you tell him all that?' and Fairaday said  'so he does what he's supposed to do.'

After thinking about it you may be right.  I wonder if he knew he would be shot, I thought it was really strange when he pointed the gun at Richard and started counting.


Also how does/did Widmore know/find out about Flight 815 being on the island anyway?

I've also wondered about that, spies in with the others?
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: gbeenie on May 01, 2009, 10:13:29 AM
It seems to me that Faraday's mum sent him back in time (to die, although I believe that was just a tangential consequence she had to live with), so that all the events that happened afterward WOULD happen.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on May 01, 2009, 10:20:01 AM
Which poses the question: WHY would anyone ever want this crap to happen?  Outside of you're bored and it's something to do, that is.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: gbeenie on May 01, 2009, 10:21:07 AM
Many and mysterious are the ways of Fionulla Flanagan.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: MrTorso on May 01, 2009, 10:42:42 AM
When it is all said and done there are going to be so many loose threads.  They are so worried about the energy in the Swan station that they build the button (after the Incident??) but they also have that emergency switch. They didn't push the button and Desmond flipped that switch and the world didn't end? Right? The Oceanic 6 went back home and the world was fine and dandy. What's the big deal?
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on May 01, 2009, 10:57:19 AM
Which poses the question: WHY would anyone ever want this crap to happen?  Outside of you're bored and it's something to do, that is.

Hmmmm, why would people be sitting in front of a screen watching crap happen, and then again go reading and typing about it?  TV exists because of boredom...

I wonder if the switch Desmond turned was the H-bomb?  The losties had to go back in time to make sure it got put in place.  The preview for next week seems to have them arguing over if the bomb will work or just kill everyone, so they probably just put it in place as a last resort, and that sets up the future events.



Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on May 01, 2009, 11:49:20 AM
Which poses the question: WHY would anyone ever want this crap to happen?  Outside of you're bored and it's something to do, that is.

Hmmmm, why would people be sitting in front of a screen watching crap happen, and then again go reading and typing about it?  TV exists because of boredom...

Sooooo.....everyone watching "Lost" is basically watching people watching TV, metaphorically?

At least, the people we watched watching movies put on skits.  ;)
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on May 01, 2009, 01:16:00 PM
Which poses the question: WHY would anyone ever want this crap to happen?  Outside of you're bored and it's something to do, that is.

Hmmmm, why would people be sitting in front of a screen watching crap happen, and then again go reading and typing about it?  TV exists because of boredom...

Sooooo.....everyone watching "Lost" is basically watching people watching TV, metaphorically?

At least, the people we watched watching movies put on skits.  ;)

LOL...

You did say "anyone" in your original question, leaving the door open for observers.  It's that kind of sloppy talk that causes a lot of these sci-fi paradoxes. ;D
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: dignan on May 07, 2009, 08:11:25 AM
I would really like for next Wednesday to get here now thx, awesome.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: MrTorso on May 07, 2009, 10:03:02 AM
So.... Pre-Donkey wheel pushing Locke flashed to the future for the sole purpose of having his future post-dead self tell Richard Alpert to tell his pre-dead pre-donkey wheel pushing self that he has to get everyone back to the island and that he has to die?
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: TheUnabeefer on May 07, 2009, 10:28:49 AM
So.... Pre-Donkey wheel pushing Locke flashed to the future for the sole purpose of having his future post-dead self tell Richard Alpert to tell his pre-dead pre-donkey wheel pushing self that he has to get everyone back to the island and that he has to die?

From a literary standpoint, I guess so...  but in the universe of the show itself, I don't think the flashes through time were for any specific reason except the donkey wheel was off its axis.  Richard telling him the info was just something he encountered through his time flashing.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: SaucyRossy on May 07, 2009, 10:58:24 AM

The only people asking that are in the future and if the 77'ers detonate it (4-toed statue anyone?) then it is gone and wouldn't be in the shadow of the statue anymore...

Also how does/did Widmore know/find out about Flight 815 being on the island anyway?

Cus he met Jack, Kate, etc in the past and remembered it, same with future eloise.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: k1 on May 07, 2009, 10:59:03 AM
So.... Pre-Donkey wheel pushing Locke flashed to the future for the sole purpose of having his future post-dead self tell Richard Alpert to tell his pre-dead pre-donkey wheel pushing self that he has to get everyone back to the island and that he has to die?

From a literary standpoint, I guess so...  but in the universe of the show itself, I don't think the flashes through time were for any specific reason except the donkey wheel was off its axis.  Richard telling him the info was just something he encountered through his time flashing.

Lost is turning into the tv version of the Land O Lakes butter packaging!
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on May 08, 2009, 09:48:47 AM

The only people asking that are in the future and if the 77'ers detonate it (4-toed statue anyone?) then it is gone and wouldn't be in the shadow of the statue anymore...

Also how does/did Widmore know/find out about Flight 815 being on the island anyway?

Cus he met Jack, Kate, etc in the past and remembered it, same with future eloise.

Yes, that's why in the hospital she said she didn't know what was going to happen from now on, up until she sent them back she knew the stuff she learned from them in the past.

What is up with Jack, is he now a total fraking idiot??  Some kind of schizophrenia?  He has a totally different personality now...
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: TheUnabeefer on May 08, 2009, 12:12:12 PM

The only people asking that are in the future and if the 77'ers detonate it (4-toed statue anyone?) then it is gone and wouldn't be in the shadow of the statue anymore...

Also how does/did Widmore know/find out about Flight 815 being on the island anyway?

Cus he met Jack, Kate, etc in the past and remembered it, same with future eloise.

Yes, that's why in the hospital she said she didn't know what was going to happen from now on, up until she sent them back she knew the stuff she learned from them in the past.

What is up with Jack, is he now a total fraking idiot??  Some kind of schizophrenia?  He has a totally different personality now...


He's still in shock from his one time jump.....  wimp.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: Rude on May 12, 2009, 09:26:36 AM
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I think this season finale will be the first time in a long time that i'll actually watch the show live on TV.

Usually we save up a buncha' episodes on our DVR and pull a marathon session. But this time we did that, and it turns out there's only one show left... the season finale. And unfortunately my other half is out of town for two weeks. I'll be damned if i have to wait that long, though. The problem is that you can tell if someone has watched a recording... so my evil plan is to watch it live, and pretend i've never seen it.

I feel like a dirty, lying junkie. Damn you LOST.

-Rude
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: TheUnabeefer on May 12, 2009, 11:29:51 AM
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I think this season finale will be the first time in a long time that i'll actually watch the show live on TV.

Usually we save up a buncha' episodes on our DVR and pull a marathon session. But this time we did that, and it turns out there's only one show left... the season finale. And unfortunately my other half is out of town for two weeks. I'll be damned if i have to wait that long, though. The problem is that you can tell if someone has watched a recording... so my evil plan is to watch it live, and pretend i've never seen it.

I feel like a dirty, lying junkie. Damn you LOST.

-Rude


Sneaky... and so... rude.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on May 13, 2009, 08:45:11 PM
Well, that was one hell of a season cliffhanger!   :clap: :clap: :clap:

One more season to go....
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: SaucyRossy on May 13, 2009, 09:03:43 PM
wow, wow, wow. So many amazing moments.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: MrTorso on May 13, 2009, 10:06:32 PM
UGH. 2010 is a looooonnnnngggg way away.

Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: Rude on May 13, 2009, 11:14:36 PM
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LOST is going to be one of those "God and Satan playing chess" stories, isn't it?

-Rude
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: Bob on May 14, 2009, 04:43:36 AM
That was the best way to leave a cliff hanger.   I thought that is what they would do (although I had no idea just HOW it would happen of course).

Almost as good as Star Trek when Ryker said "Fire" at the borg ship with Picard as Lucitus.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: Action Batch on May 14, 2009, 04:59:34 AM
Maybe "Esssss"
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: James of LinHood on May 14, 2009, 06:18:56 AM
Wow, great finale.

So, the angry guy who wanted to kill Jacob at the beginning of the episode is apparently masquerading as Locke.  How that even works is anyone's guess.  But it will have to be answered next season.  Which is only.....8 months away.  *Sobs*

The only thing that bugs me about this finale is that it's never explained WHY Jacob gives Hurley the guitar.  I mean, we've seen Hurley carry that damn thing around for most of this season.  It would have been nice to explain why Jacob thought it was important for Hurley to bring it to the island.  Oh well.

It was kinda cool to see the Black Rock (That HAD to be the ship out there) coming to the island.  That still doesn't explain how the ship ended up in the middle of the island.  But it seems to be a hint that we'll get more of an explanation regarding that in the future.  I'd bet that Richard was originally a member of the crew of that ship.

I have to believe that Jack succeeded in changing the future.  The question is, did he change it enough?  It would be a letdown if nothing changed (Just because the trippy ending seems to hint that something is changed).  At the same time, it would be weird if they now never went to the island in the first place.  Ah, season 6, why do you have to be so far away?!

Last of all, I'm pretty sure that the statue is Sobek:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sobek (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sobek)
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: k1 on May 14, 2009, 07:13:05 AM
I'm guessing that the fake Locke is obviously either Jacob's nemesis, or the smoke monster (or both) and that the next season is going to have ALOT of flashbacks showing people being portrayed by whoever/whatever fake Locke is.

In the end it's a Skrull invasion!  ONOES!
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on May 14, 2009, 07:58:00 AM
I have to believe that Jack succeeded in changing the future.  The question is, did he change it enough?  It would be a letdown if nothing changed (Just because the trippy ending seems to hint that something is changed).  At the same time, it would be weird if they now never went to the island in the first place.  Ah, season 6, why do you have to be so far away?!

I'm thinking like that one guy, "What if what Jack is about to do is what caused the problem in the first place?"

A la the observation in the hour rehash where someone points out that Sayid shooting the young Ben is what made him the paranoid creep they've always known?
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: Grillslinger on May 14, 2009, 08:49:09 AM
The only thing that bugs me about this finale is that it's never explained WHY Jacob gives Hurley the guitar.  I mean, we've seen Hurley carry that damn thing around for most of this season.  It would have been nice to explain why Jacob thought it was important for Hurley to bring it to the island.  Oh well.


Who says there's a guitar in there?
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: James of LinHood on May 14, 2009, 08:51:22 AM
The only thing that bugs me about this finale is that it's never explained WHY Jacob gives Hurley the guitar.  I mean, we've seen Hurley carry that damn thing around for most of this season.  It would have been nice to explain why Jacob thought it was important for Hurley to bring it to the island.  Oh well.


Who says there's a guitar in there?

I meant guitar case.  Sorry.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: SmilinJackRoss on May 14, 2009, 09:01:56 AM
I thought this was obvious, but my wife didn't notice it until I pointed it out:

Jacob was obviously "recruiting" the original Flight 815 passengers (and others) by intentionally touching them.  When he goes to visit that woman in the hospital, he's wearing gloves, so as not to inadvertently recruit anyone else he might accidentally touch. 

Of course the big question is "Why?" and "Why those specific people?"  I have no idea, but again, I try not to think too hard about the show. 

LOST is going to be one of those "God and Satan playing chess" stories, isn't it?

I think you're right.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: dignan on May 14, 2009, 09:04:50 AM
As Locke said in the second half of the pilot:  "Two sides.  One light.  One dark."  So yeah, pretty sure it's a game.

The thing about Jacob recruiting though...why then would he visit Hurley and Sayid AFTER they were already rescued?  Hmm.  When Jacob apologized to Locke, was he apologizing for him having just fallen out a window, or was he apologizing for having to bring him back to life with his touch?
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on May 14, 2009, 09:18:45 AM
The thing about Jacob recruiting though...why then would he visit Hurley and Sayid AFTER they were already rescued?

Maybe they were just "collateral damage" the first time. The ones he came to and touched before the crash were the ones he wanted. Hurley and Sayid just happened to be on the plane, survived in spite of everything and now that he's seen them he wants them back.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: Rude on May 14, 2009, 09:23:41 AM
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Did "Jacob" actually touch Jack? I thought he simply handed him an Apollo bar.

-Rude
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: James of LinHood on May 14, 2009, 09:29:03 AM
Did "Jacob" actually touch Jack? I thought he simply handed him an Apollo bar.

Going a bit off topic here, but am I the only one who thinks of Apollo Creed every time an Apollo bar appears on Lost?   :P
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on May 14, 2009, 09:41:38 AM
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Did "Jacob" actually touch Jack? I thought he simply handed him an Apollo bar.

-Rude

I guess it's enough just to make some form of contact, doesn't have to be touching skin...

As for Richard being on the ship, I doubt it, I think he's older than that.   There are enough clues now that he might be from Roman times.

I might be betting my characters mixed up but did Ben's dad get killed?  That would be a big change from what we know happened before so I'm probably wrong. 
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: Rude on May 14, 2009, 09:57:44 AM
Quote from: MartyS (Gromit)
I guess it's enough just to make some form of contact, doesn't have to be touching skin...

Sorry, i was just kinda' joking there by being nitpicky. I should have put a winky after that or something.

-Rude
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: SmilinJackRoss on May 14, 2009, 10:38:03 AM
Quote from: MartyS (Gromit)
I guess it's enough just to make some form of contact, doesn't have to be touching skin...

Sorry, i was just kinda' joking there by being nitpicky. I should have put a winky after that or something.

-Rude

No, he actually does touch him, same with when he hands Sawyer the pen, he touches his hand as he hands it to him.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: Maverick Joe Six-Pack on May 14, 2009, 11:28:04 AM
So does anyone know what Richard's answer to "What lies in the Shadow of the Statue?" was?
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on May 14, 2009, 11:48:30 AM
Quote from: MartyS (Gromit)
I guess it's enough just to make some form of contact, doesn't have to be touching skin...

Sorry, i was just kinda' joking there by being nitpicky. I should have put a winky after that or something.

-Rude

No, he actually does touch him, same with when he hands Sawyer the pen, he touches his hand as he hands it to him.

For Jin, Sun, and Lock he touches their choths, not their hands, so I don't think skin contact is nessessary.  Also when he hands the candy bar to Jack their hands are on opposite ends of the bar.

And Hurley?  Does he ever touch him?  I guess they had contact through the guitar case.

So does anyone know what Richard's answer to "What lies in the Shadow of the Statue?" was?

Something like "He who will save us all"
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: Rude on May 14, 2009, 12:15:35 PM
Quote from: SmilinJackRoss
Quote from: Rude
LOST is going to be one of those "God and Satan playing chess" stories, isn't it?

I think you're right.

LOST rarely makes things obvious, though. So perhaps now the question might be "Who is God, and who is the Devil?"

-Rude
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: SmilinJackRoss on May 14, 2009, 12:19:09 PM
And Hurley?  Does he ever touch him?  I guess they had contact through the guitar case.

He reached over and touched him on the shoulder right before he got out of the car.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: dignan on May 14, 2009, 12:38:17 PM
Up at docarzt.com there's screenshots from the ep and it has shots of Jacob touching everyone.

That sounds so awful.  "Show us on the doll where the mythical island dweller touched you, Sawyer."
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: TheUnabeefer on May 14, 2009, 12:54:02 PM
Well, the writers DID say this episode would be very "touching"
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: SmilinJackRoss on May 14, 2009, 01:08:39 PM
Up at docarzt.com there's screenshots from the ep and it has shots of Jacob touching everyone.


http://www.docarzt.com/lost/lost-news/lost-screencaps-fade-to-white-here-are-the-caps/
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: SmilinJackRoss on May 14, 2009, 01:14:11 PM
Hey Rude, by the way, did you recognize the actor who played Jacob?

"Your wife owes money to Jackie Teehorn, that means you owe money to Jackie Treehorn."
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: James of LinHood on May 14, 2009, 01:20:37 PM
So does anyone know what Richard's answer to "What lies in the Shadow of the Statue?" was?

Something like "He who will save us all"

Yep.  According to Nikki Stafford's Lost blog (She has written some GREAT Lost books.  I encourage you to read her blog too.  Good stuff there:  http://nikkistafford.blogspot.com/ (http://nikkistafford.blogspot.com/)), her interpretation is: 

“He who will protect (or save) us all.”

Pretty much the same translation as yours.   :)
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: Rude on May 14, 2009, 02:03:11 PM
Quote from: SmilinJackRoss
Hey Rude, by the way, did you recognize the actor who played Jacob?

Of course! I mean, you're not dealing with a moron here.  ;)
He was actually at the Lebowski Fest last weekend too, just not at the bowling party.

Oh man, i get it now... the fact that they got one of Treehorn's thugs to play Jacob? Yeah, my thinking about the show had become uptight, man. He's obviously the bad guy!

-Rude
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: MrTorso on May 14, 2009, 04:13:12 PM
Hey Rude, by the way, did you recognize the actor who played Jacob?

"Your wife owes money to Jackie Teehorn, that means you owe money to Jackie Treehorn."

He was on the first season of Dexter too.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: mrbasehart on May 14, 2009, 05:12:11 PM
Finally caught up with Lost.  I thought it was pretty good, though I wasn't liking where the Sawyer/Juliet relationship was going.  Seriously.  What the hell do people see in Kate? She's almost as annoying as Jack.

Could the guitar case been representative of Charlie? *shrug*
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: dangfish on May 14, 2009, 07:42:39 PM



As for Richard being on the ship, I doubt it, I think he's older than that.   There are enough clues now that he might be from Roman times.

I might be betting my characters mixed up but did Ben's dad get killed?  That would be a big change from what we know happened before so I'm probably wrong. 

No, Ben's dad wasn't killed. He ran away and it did not look as if he was shot. 

As for Richard, I'm torn.  On the one hand, it has been stated that he has 'always been there' so he may indeed be older than the Black Rock.  Plus the roman sounding name he had when the shadow statue woman asked for him.  On the other hand, I thought Richard playing with a ship in a bottle that looked like the Black Rock (two episodes ago) was a big clue as to his origins. Then, in the very next episode, we see the actual Black Rock ship. Also, the way Jacob and his nemesis (smoke monster?) were talking  I got the feeling that there were no other people currently on the island and that smoke monster guy was very cheesed off that this circumstance was about to change. And the Black Rock ship is pretty old, so perhaps this is where Richard came from.

And if there were no people on the island at the time when the Black Rock showed up (except for Jacob) then the others would be the descendents of the black rock ship. Jacob picked  Richard to be his middle man and gave him this ageless ability thing so he could guide the others over the years and see that Jacob's plans were carried out.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: ShadowDog on May 14, 2009, 08:12:47 PM
Seriously.  What the hell do people see in Kate? She's almost as annoying as Jack.

For me it's the fact that she's hawter than the fucking sun.  Good God is that woman smoking hawt. >:-P~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on May 14, 2009, 09:11:36 PM



As for Richard being on the ship, I doubt it, I think he's older than that.   There are enough clues now that he might be from Roman times.

I might be betting my characters mixed up but did Ben's dad get killed?  That would be a big change from what we know happened before so I'm probably wrong. 

No, Ben's dad wasn't killed. He ran away and it did not look as if he was shot. 

As for Richard, I'm torn.  On the one hand, it has been stated that he has 'always been there' so he may indeed be older than the Black Rock.  Plus the roman sounding name he had when the shadow statue woman asked for him.  On the other hand, I thought Richard playing with a ship in a bottle that looked like the Black Rock (two episodes ago) was a big clue as to his origins. Then, in the very next episode, we see the actual Black Rock ship. Also, the way Jacob and his nemesis (smoke monster?) were talking  I got the feeling that there were no other people currently on the island and that smoke monster guy was very cheesed off that this circumstance was about to change. And the Black Rock ship is pretty old, so perhaps this is where Richard came from.

And if there were no people on the island at the time when the Black Rock showed up (except for Jacob) then the others would be the descendents of the black rock ship. Jacob picked  Richard to be his middle man and gave him this ageless ability thing so he could guide the others over the years and see that Jacob's plans were carried out.

Good points, the other idea I had is that Richard was connected with the church in some way, that's why latin was so important, and his name in latin just makes him sound Roman.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: pezdrake on May 15, 2009, 07:07:13 AM
And hey! There's where Bernard and Rose and Vincent are!  They are happily living in the jungle.  Awesome.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: MrTorso on May 15, 2009, 07:48:18 AM
What about Walt!? Wasn't he important at one time? Also was Jacob made of gasoline? He went up in heartbeat when Fake-Locke kicked him into the fire.

Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on May 15, 2009, 09:01:36 AM
What about Walt!? Wasn't he important at one time? Also was Jacob made of gasoline? He went up in heartbeat when Fake-Locke kicked him into the fire.

I noticed that also, guess that thread he made his cloths out of was extra flammable...

I guess we'll see if Walt has anything more to do on the show, I kind of doubt it.  Walt showing up when Lock was shot in the pit was obviously Jacob's enemy.

Lots of people seem to think the enemy guy and the smoke monster are the same, that's way to easy an answer for Lost, I can see them being connected in some way but not the same being.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: pezdrake on May 15, 2009, 09:14:42 AM
What was the symbolism of the loom? (If you say it was the "Loom of Fate" I'll smack ya)
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: tgeorgic on May 15, 2009, 09:18:41 AM
What was the symbolism of the loom? (If you say it was the "Loom of Fate" I'll smack ya)

maybe jacob's mother was a swan...or is that too obscure?
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: Rude on May 15, 2009, 09:28:18 AM
Quote from: pezdrake
What was the symbolism of the loom?

It illustrated the idea that Jacob had been weaving the lives of the characters together for a long time, and for a specific purpose. And if you want to take it further, he also mentioned that he made the thread himself. So if the threads are supposed to represent the characters... Hmmm.  ;)

-Rude

EDIT - I should say that's just my interpretation. Maybe Jacob was just chilly, and thought that weaving a blanket for the next hundred years or so was a good idea.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on May 15, 2009, 10:10:01 AM
Quote from: pezdrake
What was the symbolism of the loom?

It illustrated the idea that Jacob had been weaving the lives of the characters together for a long time, and for a specific purpose. And if you want to take it further, he also mentioned that he made the thread himself. So if the threads are supposed to represent the characters... Hmmm.  ;)

My take is the threads are the connections between the characters.  We've seen how just about every character is tied to many others.

So, starting all the way back to when the Black Rock came to the island, he started weaving peoples lives together to create the final tapestry.

Seems it would have been easy for Jacob to turn Ben onto a different path, so pushing him to use the knife must have been part of his plan, letting his enemy think he was exploiting a loop hole so the master plan could come together after his death?
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: jewishcarpenter on May 21, 2009, 04:32:47 PM
I'm interested to see how Christian and Claire play into this next season. Anyone wondering why there were 16-17 year olds doing on in the island in the 50's? I'm still wondering if Bernard & Rose are Adam & Eve with the stones they find in the 1st season. Every time I saw Phil (Sawyer's assistant of security) I thought of the scene at Winkie's Diner from Mulholland Dr. and got creeped the hell out.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: jana on May 21, 2009, 05:07:39 PM
I'm interested to see how Christian and Claire play into this next season. Anyone wondering why there were 16-17 year olds doing on in the island in the 50's? I'm still wondering if Bernard & Rose are Adam & Eve with the stones they find in the 1st season. Every time I saw Phil (Sawyer's assistant of security) I thought of the scene at Winkie's Diner from Mulholland Dr. and got creeped the hell out.

Weren't Claire and Christian (post death) just the "Esau" character using their 'likeness' (as he has with Locke) for manipulation purposes?
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on May 21, 2009, 07:32:55 PM
I'm interested to see how Christian and Claire play into this next season. Anyone wondering why there were 16-17 year olds doing on in the island in the 50's? I'm still wondering if Bernard & Rose are Adam & Eve with the stones they find in the 1st season. Every time I saw Phil (Sawyer's assistant of security) I thought of the scene at Winkie's Diner from Mulholland Dr. and got creeped the hell out.

Weren't Claire and Christian (post death) just the "Esau" character using their 'likeness' (as he has with Locke) for manipulation purposes?

But there was that scene with Christian and Claire sitting in the shack together, with Claire acting kind of strange.  We still don't know what the hell happened to Claire, so can't say for sure that she is dead.  Maybe the "likeEsau" guy was playing Christian and old smokey was playing Claire? 
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: Rude on May 22, 2009, 09:17:27 AM
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I still don't think that the Smoke Monster takes the form of anyone, but i could be wrong.

-Rude
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: dignan on May 22, 2009, 11:00:45 AM
I think I've read that Carlton/Damon have confirmed in interviews that Smokey has taken the form of some people, such as Eko's brother in The Cost of Living.  I have no source at present to confirm that confirmation however.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: pezdrake on May 22, 2009, 11:18:52 AM
I think I've read that Carlton/Damon have confirmed in interviews that Smokey has taken the form of some people, such as Eko's brother in The Cost of Living.  I have no source at present to confirm that confirmation however.

I thought that it did for Ekos brother as well as Alex (to Ben in the Temple of Doom)
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: Rude on May 22, 2009, 11:19:32 AM
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I'm subscribed to the official podcast and i can't remember Darlton ever specifically saying anything like that. Although they did mention that the Island is capable of creating such "apparitions." And that was during a discussion of the Smoke Monster on one of the recap shows.

I don't know, the popular theory is that it can take human form. That's even part of the main entry over at Lostpedia, but it just seems wrong to me... especially since it looks like Jacob's Nemesis has been the one taking the form of those on the island (Alex and Locke for example.) Of course, that's assuming Jacob's Nemesis isn't actually the Smoke Monster himself.

-Rude
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: J-Proof on May 23, 2009, 01:18:32 PM
I don't think Jacob's Nemesis is Smokezilla. We can hypothesize that the Nemesis was stuck in the cabin during most of the Losties' tenure on the island. And Smokey was running amok on that island even when the Nemesis was trapped in the cabin. Though "summoning" Smokey" may be the one way to temporarily take the Nemesis out of the cabin.

Anyway -- the sesaon finale was flippin' awesome! This season was so fun... I can't wait for the ultimate Lost bad-ass, Desmond, to come back next year guns ablazin'!
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: dignan on May 23, 2009, 10:55:32 PM
yeah dude, Desmond needs to come back in a BIG way.  he was in less episodes this season than Richard.  he was in less episodes than Phil!
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: dangfish on May 24, 2009, 11:28:50 AM
Regarding the whole Jacob's nemesis/smoke monster debate: 

In 'Dead is Dead' something always struck me.  When Ben falls through the floor Locke (or fake Locke, as we now know) says he's going to go find something to get Ben out and then disappears. Almost the second he disappears the smoke monster appears and then Ben's daughter appears. Then, the second Ben is alone again fake Locke shows up again. I found this suspicious even before we knew that Locke really wasn't Locke. This scene leans me toward the idea that the smoke monster is Jacob's nemesis, or if not the smoke monster itself, he took the form of Ben's daughter in order to scare Ben into following Locke's orders (which would really be his own orders).  In the form of Jacob's daughter he tells Ben to 'do everything Locke says.'  Ultimately his plan was to use Ben to kill Jacob.

Another thing that leads me to believe that Jacob's nemesis is the smoke monster or least has some connection with it:  In the finale, Jacob finds it surprising that his nemesis comes out onto the beach. He concludes that he has come because of the Black Rock Ship. His nemesis is angry to see people coming to the island. In the pilot episode, the smoke monster makes an appearance shortly after the oceanic 815 folks arrive on the island. It also kills the pilot shortly after the crash. Also, it kills all those french people almost immediately after they arrive on the island. It seems as though whenever a new group of people show up we either get an appearance of the smoke monster or Jacob's nemesis, and both seem rather upset.   This is more evidence to me that they may be one in the same.  Then again, Nothing is ever that simple on Lost.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on May 24, 2009, 09:14:22 PM
Regarding the whole Jacob's nemesis/smoke monster debate: 

In 'Dead is Dead' something always struck me.  When Ben falls through the floor Locke (or fake Locke, as we now know) says he's going to go find something to get Ben out and then disappears. Almost the second he disappears the smoke monster appears and then Ben's daughter appears. Then, the second Ben is alone again fake Locke shows up again. I found this suspicious even before we knew that Locke really wasn't Locke. This scene leans me toward the idea that the smoke monster is Jacob's nemesis, or if not the smoke monster itself, he took the form of Ben's daughter in order to scare Ben into following Locke's orders (which would really be his own orders).  In the form of Jacob's daughter he tells Ben to 'do everything Locke says.'  Ultimately his plan was to use Ben to kill Jacob.

Another thing that leads me to believe that Jacob's nemesis is the smoke monster or least has some connection with it:  In the finale, Jacob finds it surprising that his nemesis comes out onto the beach. He concludes that he has come because of the Black Rock Ship. His nemesis is angry to see people coming to the island. In the pilot episode, the smoke monster makes an appearance shortly after the oceanic 815 folks arrive on the island. It also kills the pilot shortly after the crash. Also, it kills all those french people almost immediately after they arrive on the island. It seems as though whenever a new group of people show up we either get an appearance of the smoke monster or Jacob's nemesis, and both seem rather upset.   This is more evidence to me that they may be one in the same.  Then again, Nothing is ever that simple on Lost.

I also think fake Lock became Ben's daughter.  Was probably watching the show smokey put on the entire time.  Smokey let Ben go and there was the perfect opportunity to push Ben's buttons some more.

Remember the wall above where smoky came out, looked a lot like the top of the tapestry.   Makes me think smokey is different from either Jacob or his nemesis.

Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: dangfish on May 25, 2009, 02:34:19 PM
Regarding the whole Jacob's nemesis/smoke monster debate: 

In 'Dead is Dead' something always struck me.  When Ben falls through the floor Locke (or fake Locke, as we now know) says he's going to go find something to get Ben out and then disappears. Almost the second he disappears the smoke monster appears and then Ben's daughter appears. Then, the second Ben is alone again fake Locke shows up again. I found this suspicious even before we knew that Locke really wasn't Locke. This scene leans me toward the idea that the smoke monster is Jacob's nemesis, or if not the smoke monster itself, he took the form of Ben's daughter in order to scare Ben into following Locke's orders (which would really be his own orders).  In the form of Jacob's daughter he tells Ben to 'do everything Locke says.'  Ultimately his plan was to use Ben to kill Jacob.

Another thing that leads me to believe that Jacob's nemesis is the smoke monster or least has some connection with it:  In the finale, Jacob finds it surprising that his nemesis comes out onto the beach. He concludes that he has come because of the Black Rock Ship. His nemesis is angry to see people coming to the island. In the pilot episode, the smoke monster makes an appearance shortly after the oceanic 815 folks arrive on the island. It also kills the pilot shortly after the crash. Also, it kills all those french people almost immediately after they arrive on the island. It seems as though whenever a new group of people show up we either get an appearance of the smoke monster or Jacob's nemesis, and both seem rather upset.   This is more evidence to me that they may be one in the same.  Then again, Nothing is ever that simple on Lost.

I also think fake Lock became Ben's daughter.  Was probably watching the show smokey put on the entire time.  Smokey let Ben go and there was the perfect opportunity to push Ben's buttons some more.

Remember the wall above where smoky came out, looked a lot like the top of the tapestry.   Makes me think smokey is different from either Jacob or his nemesis.



You mean the tapestry in Jacob's house, right?  I didn't catch that.  I'll have to review both those scenes and check it out.  The more I think about it, the more I think that nemesis guy being the smoke monster is too easy of a solution for this show.  I do believe there is some connection between the two, however. 
Now we only have to wait nine months for the final season!  I've got plenty of other shows to keep me busy, but nothing quite as intriguing as LOST.  It is truly one of a kind.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on May 25, 2009, 04:22:31 PM
Regarding the whole Jacob's nemesis/smoke monster debate: 

In 'Dead is Dead' something always struck me.  When Ben falls through the floor Locke (or fake Locke, as we now know) says he's going to go find something to get Ben out and then disappears. Almost the second he disappears the smoke monster appears and then Ben's daughter appears. Then, the second Ben is alone again fake Locke shows up again. I found this suspicious even before we knew that Locke really wasn't Locke. This scene leans me toward the idea that the smoke monster is Jacob's nemesis, or if not the smoke monster itself, he took the form of Ben's daughter in order to scare Ben into following Locke's orders (which would really be his own orders).  In the form of Jacob's daughter he tells Ben to 'do everything Locke says.'  Ultimately his plan was to use Ben to kill Jacob.

Another thing that leads me to believe that Jacob's nemesis is the smoke monster or least has some connection with it:  In the finale, Jacob finds it surprising that his nemesis comes out onto the beach. He concludes that he has come because of the Black Rock Ship. His nemesis is angry to see people coming to the island. In the pilot episode, the smoke monster makes an appearance shortly after the oceanic 815 folks arrive on the island. It also kills the pilot shortly after the crash. Also, it kills all those french people almost immediately after they arrive on the island. It seems as though whenever a new group of people show up we either get an appearance of the smoke monster or Jacob's nemesis, and both seem rather upset.   This is more evidence to me that they may be one in the same.  Then again, Nothing is ever that simple on Lost.

I also think fake Lock became Ben's daughter.  Was probably watching the show smokey put on the entire time.  Smokey let Ben go and there was the perfect opportunity to push Ben's buttons some more.

Remember the wall above where smoky came out, looked a lot like the top of the tapestry.   Makes me think smokey is different from either Jacob or his nemesis.



You mean the tapestry in Jacob's house, right?  I didn't catch that.  I'll have to review both those scenes and check it out.  The more I think about it, the more I think that nemesis guy being the smoke monster is too easy of a solution for this show.  I do believe there is some connection between the two, however. 

I didn't record the shows, and all the screen caps I can find online of the carving above where smokey comes out focus on the lower half...  I think it was the top of that carving that had similar images as the top of Jacob's tapestry.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: James of LinHood on June 03, 2009, 09:15:38 AM
For those who entered into it, DarkUFO posted the final scores for the Lost Season 5 Fantasy League:

http://darkufo.blogspot.com/2009/05/lost-fantasy-league-season-5-finale.html (http://darkufo.blogspot.com/2009/05/lost-fantasy-league-season-5-finale.html)

I ended up in 187th place!  Very awesome considering the number of people playing and the fact that I was in 1,245th place just the week before.   :)
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: k1 on June 03, 2009, 11:29:00 AM
For those who entered into it, DarkUFO posted the final scores for the Lost Season 5 Fantasy League:

http://darkufo.blogspot.com/2009/05/lost-fantasy-league-season-5-finale.html (http://darkufo.blogspot.com/2009/05/lost-fantasy-league-season-5-finale.html)

I ended up in 187th place!  Very awesome considering the number of people playing and the fact that I was in 1,245th place just the week before.   :)

I got 1,878th.  I chose... poorly.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: dignan on June 03, 2009, 11:50:48 AM
825 for me...damnation!  I think Daniel's absence for about 10 of the episodes really boned me. 
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: James of LinHood on June 26, 2009, 10:43:54 AM
FYI:  They've opened up the sign ups for the Season 6 Fantasy League:

http://darkufo.blogspot.com/2009/06/sign-up-for-season-6-lost-fantasy.html (http://darkufo.blogspot.com/2009/06/sign-up-for-season-6-lost-fantasy.html)

Sign up, won't you?
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: dignan on June 26, 2009, 10:56:15 AM
FYI:  They've opened up the sign ups for the Season 6 Fantasy League:

http://darkufo.blogspot.com/2009/06/sign-up-for-season-6-lost-fantasy.html (http://darkufo.blogspot.com/2009/06/sign-up-for-season-6-lost-fantasy.html)

Sign up, won't you?

Done!
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: James of LinHood on June 26, 2009, 01:20:04 PM
FYI:  They've opened up the sign ups for the Season 6 Fantasy League:

http://darkufo.blogspot.com/2009/06/sign-up-for-season-6-lost-fantasy.html (http://darkufo.blogspot.com/2009/06/sign-up-for-season-6-lost-fantasy.html)

Sign up, won't you?

Done!

Woo!

FYI: My team name is ROWSDOWER! if you feel like keeping tabs on me.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: dignan on June 28, 2009, 07:02:22 AM
FYI:  They've opened up the sign ups for the Season 6 Fantasy League:

http://darkufo.blogspot.com/2009/06/sign-up-for-season-6-lost-fantasy.html (http://darkufo.blogspot.com/2009/06/sign-up-for-season-6-lost-fantasy.html)

Sign up, won't you?

Done!

Woo!

FYI: My team name is ROWSDOWER! if you feel like keeping tabs on me.

Cool, mine is It's Rodney's Fault.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: iv3rdawG on July 02, 2009, 01:37:02 PM
(http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/3303/losts5dvddharmakit.jpg)

(http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/4451/losts5dvddharmakitclose.jpg)

http://tvshowsondvd.com/news/Lost-Season-5-Dharma-Initiation-Kit/12234
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: James of LinHood on July 03, 2009, 08:33:23 AM
Whoa.  The Lost nerd in me totally wants that.  The only thing I don't care for is that the discs come in those sleeves.  I'd rather have them all held together in a plastic case.  I'll have to think about it....
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: James of LinHood on July 08, 2009, 01:40:30 PM
Would any of you guys want to buy seasons 1 and/or 2 of Lost from me?  I'm looking to get rid of my DVD copies and replace them with the Blu-Ray versions.  I take excellent care of my DVDs and I'd describe these as near mint copies.  If you'd like pictures I'll gladly provide them.  For you guys I'll ask $10.00 plus shipping per season.  I'd quote you a shipping cost but I'll have to figure that out once I know where I'm shipping these to.  If you're interested please PM me.   8)
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: Rude on August 07, 2009, 09:36:10 AM
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Weird. I just got a random LOST podcast. I guess it's probably something like a Comic-Con edition. Although it's not Darlton, and from what i've listened to so far, they hardly discuss those Comic-Con "alternate reality" videos at all. Maybe some of the other writers just wanted to get in on the action during the hiatus?

Anyway... James, good luck getting rid of those DVDs. I've been biting through my lip trying to keep myself from buying any of the seasons on Blu-Ray. That's because i'm under the completely made-up assumption that there's going to be some super, mega-awesome complete series boxset after Season 6.

Well, that and the fact that the finale of BSG pissed me off so bad that i couldn't image ever wanting to sit through the entire series again... knowing what steaming pile of crap awaited me at the end. So here's hoping that LOST ends on a high note!

-Rude
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: MrTorso on August 07, 2009, 09:45:11 AM
That is my only fear. That the ending will suck and I won't want to watch them again. I have 1-4 on BD and I hope I want to keep them after the last season.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: James of LinHood on August 07, 2009, 10:37:12 AM
I actually just got rid of seasons 1 and 2 on DVD.  A couple of my friends had some holes in their Lost DVD collections so it all worked out.   :)
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: dangfish on August 07, 2009, 03:10:00 PM
That is my only fear. That the ending will suck and I won't want to watch them again. I have 1-4 on BD and I hope I want to keep them after the last season.


I have faith that Darlton  will pull off a satisfactory, if perhaps not all that happy, ending.  I've been intrigued by what I've heard so far about what they are planning for the final season. 
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: iv3rdawG on November 19, 2009, 02:30:28 PM
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ABC announced today that the sixth and final season of "Lost" will kick-off with a special all-night event on Tuesday, February 2. A recap special will kick off the night from 8:00-9:00 p.m., ET, followed by the much anticipated two-hour premiere from 9:00-11:00 p.m.

The series will then air in its regular time period Tuesday nights from 9:00-10:00 p.m., ET beginning the following week, on February 9.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: TheUnabeefer on November 19, 2009, 03:46:46 PM
Ah Tuesdays this year....  I have a feeling they won't last more than a season in that slot.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: Rude on November 19, 2009, 03:58:38 PM
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 :rimshot:

-Rude
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: MrTorso on November 19, 2009, 06:50:59 PM
All right!  I have date that I have to finish re-watching season 1-5 by.
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: Bob on November 19, 2009, 06:59:24 PM
The recap better be 5 hours long as I barely even recall the show.

Why do I have a feeling the bomb at the end of last season will be more like:

(http://www.simpsoncrazy.com/content/episodes/screenshots/3f08.jpg)

Than:

(http://www.livephysics.com/forums/misc/pics/bravo.jpg)
Title: Re: Lost Season 5: The Official Thread
Post by: dignan on November 20, 2009, 08:40:11 PM
Very clever of them to start off season 6 on Groundhog's Day.