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General Discussion => Legend Films Titles => Movie Talk => Forbidden Zone => Topic started by: samisweirdout on July 16, 2008, 03:45:36 PM

Title: Also in Black and White?
Post by: samisweirdout on July 16, 2008, 03:45:36 PM
Does the DVD include the b&w version as well?
Title: Re: Also in Black and White?
Post by: Petey Wheatstraw on July 16, 2008, 05:22:40 PM
Yes. Every Legend Films DVD has included the black and white versions of the films they colorize.
Title: Re: Also in Black and White?
Post by: doggans on July 16, 2008, 05:47:24 PM
...except for this one, apparently.

No B&W. I wondered about that as well, but in the intro Elfman does, he explains that he originally intended it to be in color...I can't say that is definitely the reason why the B&W isn't included, but it makes sense to me. I'm the same way with colorization most of the time, so I've always appreciated the remastered B&W we've done...but hey, if it's what the creator wants *shrugs*
Title: Re: Also in Black and White?
Post by: torgosPizza on July 16, 2008, 06:39:26 PM
I'm sure if Richard Elfman had wanted to include the B&W version (and it could've been put on the disc) it would've been.

Trust me though, the colorized version is awesome. It looks like it was shot in color.
Title: Re: Also in Black and White?
Post by: bedtimechamp on July 16, 2008, 10:31:25 PM
I love this movie so much, the colorization is perfect.
Title: Re: Also in Black and White?
Post by: Petey Wheatstraw on July 17, 2008, 05:48:04 AM
...except for this one, apparently.

No B&W. I wondered about that as well, but in the intro Elfman does, he explains that he originally intended it to be in color...I can't say that is definitely the reason why the B&W isn't included, but it makes sense to me. I'm the same way with colorization most of the time, so I've always appreciated the remastered B&W we've done...but hey, if it's what the creator wants *shrugs*

Oh well.

The Fantomas DVD has a lot of cool extras that aren't carried over to the Legend Films edition, like the audio commentary by Elfman and cowriter Matthew Bright, so it's probably a good idea to own both versions anyway, no matter what people may feel about colorization (since this one is director-approved, I'm all for it).
Title: Re: Also in Black and White?
Post by: RoninFox on July 17, 2008, 06:19:02 AM
I'm thinking I'll at least rent it in B&W if I can find it before snatching up the colorized version.  At least to see what the improvement level is.
Title: Re: Also in Black and White?
Post by: CHF01 on July 17, 2008, 08:24:26 AM
I'm on the fence with this one. I wouldn't hesitate to click the add to cart button if there was a solo commentary track from Mike, Kevin, Bill; or a combo of the three. I'll wait and see what others say about FZ and make my decision to buy based on user reviews.  :-\
Title: Re: Also in Black and White?
Post by: torgosPizza on July 17, 2008, 09:17:20 AM
I'm thinking I'll at least rent it in B&W if I can find it before snatching up the colorized version.  At least to see what the improvement level is.

You can see bits of it online, including sites like YouTube, but of course the quality suffers. Even I was surprised by the improvement. (I'm not just saying this because I work for Legend - the colorization work really is great.)
Title: Re: Also in Black and White?
Post by: bsandrew on July 17, 2008, 11:24:15 AM
I'm sure if Richard Elfman had wanted to include the B&W version (and it could've been put on the disc) it would've been.

Trust me though, the colorized version is awesome. It looks like it was shot in color.

This was totally Richard Elfman's show.  He intended to release Forbidden Zone in color from the start but didn't have the budge.  Consequently he always considered the black and white release a work in progress with the hopes of adding color one day.  Today he's releasing the film through Legend Films and Rifftrax in color, the way he and Mystic Nights of the Oingo Boingo always envisioned it.  After Legend Films colorized Forbidden Zone, Richard commented many times that he will never again be able to sit through the film in black and white.  Therefore, he feels that putting the black and white version on this release would be a step backward.
Title: Re: Also in Black and White?
Post by: esoobaC .T bocaJ on July 17, 2008, 01:48:37 PM
so the Black and white version has the rifftrax?
Title: Re: Also in Black and White?
Post by: Thrashalla on July 17, 2008, 01:52:07 PM
so the Black and white version has the rifftrax?

Only when played backwards at 2.4x speed.
Title: Re: Also in Black and White?
Post by: mhirtes on July 17, 2008, 02:32:21 PM
Colorizing this masterpiece is gay.

Gay Gay Gay!

Gay Guy Gikkie Go Goo Goo Goo!
Title: Re: Also in Black and White?
Post by: MrTorso on July 17, 2008, 06:48:45 PM
Here is quote from Elfman:

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Hey gang!

Right now, I’m working my brains out at Buzzine, but having fantastic FUN with with our team of family and friends. Buzzine now has editorial staff coast to coast, across the pond in London, and over the rainbow in Bollywood. And we’re planning some moon coverage as well - as soon as Virgin Atlantic begins regular flights.

On the film front, we were very fortunate to have Legend Films do their bloody-excellent colorization job on Forbidden Zone. Did I tell you that I had always intended Forbidden Zone as a color film? The plan was to shoot it black and white, ship it to China, have the frames hand-tinted, get that exact “arty” effect I was looking for, and…

Not the most practical plan. But who’s “practical” when enraptured on a crazed art mission? Anyway, Legend straightened everything out and I’m very proud of Forbidden Zone in Color (and digitally remastered with six-track stereo).

It was posted here (http://www.buzzine.com/2008/06/richard-elfman-news-and-events/)!
Title: Re: Also in Black and White?
Post by: Petey Wheatstraw on July 18, 2008, 07:20:23 PM
Although I am disappointed that some of the extras (particularly the audio commentary and documentary, which Fantoma likely owns, and the early production footage) didn't make it onto the new edition, Legend's DVD still serves as a good supplement, not a replacement for, the Fantoma edition. 8)
Title: Re: Also in Black and White?
Post by: Bob on July 19, 2008, 07:10:01 AM
I took the bold leap of ordering the DVD.

I am sure my poor little brain will struggle to comprehend what is happening on the screen.
Title: Re: Also in Black and White?
Post by: torgosPizza on July 19, 2008, 02:09:37 PM
Colorizing this masterpiece is gay.

Gay Gay Gay!

Gay Guy Gikkie Go Goo Goo Goo!

I love the Alphabet song.
Title: Re: Also in Black and White?
Post by: Alleged on July 24, 2008, 08:59:23 PM
Although I am disappointed that some of the extras (particularly the audio commentary and documentary, which Fantoma likely owns, and the early production footage) didn't make it onto the new edition, Legend's DVD still serves as a good supplement, not a replacement for, the Fantoma edition. 8)

That crystallizes my feelings about it.  I will say that the pop-up commentary is pretty cool.  One of the few flicks that I will willingly double-dip for (I certainly don't begrudge Richard Elfman making a living, and it is a cool film).

Saw this originally on The Movie Channel in 1983 or so.  Much better now that I am of drinking age.
Title: Re: Also in Black and White?
Post by: Alleged on July 24, 2008, 09:00:00 PM
Colorizing this masterpiece is gay.

Gay Gay Gay!

Gay Guy Gikkie Go Goo Goo Goo!

I love the Alphabet song.

I love the princess' outfit (or lack thereof).