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« on: November 04, 2009, 05:14:33 AM » |
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I feel this might be an underestimated market for a lot of iRiffers who only have NTSC tracks up. The PAL to NTSC change seems pretty simple: http://forum.rifftrax.com/index.php/topic,13369.0.html |
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« Reply #1 on: November 04, 2009, 05:41:51 AM » |
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I can vouch for the simplicity of making a PAL version, at least most of the time. Usually all you need to do is to a simple tempo change in Audacity (I use Adobe Audition and for me the process is as simple as clicking a premade effects button I set up) and if you ask you can easily find someone who'd be willing to test for you in exchange for getting the riff free (shoot, as I recall I didn't even have to ask, ScottH just offered to test one day.)
The most work I've ever had to do to get a PAL version right is minor re-recording. First for Star Trek 1 because the US version of the disc autostarts the movie, so I gave instructions to unpause the riff after the MPAA rating screen fades out. Well it took testing to find out that outside the US the discs go to a menu first and (duh moment) they wouldn't have a rating from the "Motion Picture Association of AMERICA" on it. Quick recording session, took minutes, saved the new track and it was good to go.
The other difference was on Nightmare on Elm Street 3. On NTSC discs the movie still starts with the old fashioned red and black New Line Cinema logo, but apparently the PAL dvd starts with the newer more familiar blue frame of film logo. Had to go into the PAL copy and delete the word red.
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« Reply #2 on: November 04, 2009, 06:31:43 AM » |
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That's interesting I hadn't heard about the different starts for PAL DVD's, hmmm. We make a PAL for all of our tracks as it is dirt simple in Audacity to do. We haven't heard any feedback on any sync issues, we'd hope if there were PAL users would let us know so we'd make the edits. I think the idea of changing the tempo and hoping it syncs up as they can't test it scares most iRiffers away from doing them? Only idea I've got.
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« Reply #3 on: November 04, 2009, 06:40:59 AM » |
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There haven't been any issues with your Riffs I've gotten so far.
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« Reply #4 on: November 04, 2009, 08:07:46 AM » |
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There haven't been any issues with your Riffs I've gotten so far.
Woohoo!  Please let us know if you ever do. I've always been nervous that the PAL DVD might be a different cut. Hopefully this will encourage more people to spend the extra time exporting an extra track for our brothers and sisters across the pond. |
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« Reply #5 on: November 04, 2009, 03:33:09 PM » |
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I have made two PAL iRiffs in the past, though the main issue as to why I haven't done more...
1. The Underworld iRiff I tried to convert in Audacity, and Audacity broke completely. Simply refused to open it and shut down. But that was with a wav file, not an mp3, and it may be the file was too large or something (considering most use Audacity for editing, I doubt that's the case, though). The reason I WANT to use Audacity is I've used BeSweet and BeLight to convert, and while it doesn't change the pitch of the track at all, it adds a popping noise I really don't care for.
2. My upcoming movie never got a PAL release on VHS or DVD, so the only way to watch it would be with an NTSC import anyway, so that one's right out.
3. My line-ups are total guesswork. I basically have to chop off part of the intro to my file to represent where the movie would technically begin, write down the timecodes of the sync lines, then add the intro back on and check it again, so that I can have the timecodes for movie and riff file.
I should probably also point out that NTSC will work with anything on Blu-Ray, regardless of region...high definition standards, regardless of regional division, are all the same resolution and same frame speed (which, it turns out, is the approximately 30 frames per second of NTSC). At least, that's what I've heard...some BD importers mention that most imported discs will play on NTSC players as long as there's no PAL content (i.e., trailers or warnings not presented in HD) that occur before the movie itself. So, if you have an NTSC riff, it should work with Blu-Ray no problem.
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« Reply #6 on: November 04, 2009, 04:06:05 PM » |
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Well that's good news for blu-ray players I guess. We've never actually checked to see if there is a PAL for our tracks, we just always make one just in case. Sorry to any PAL user that searched for a movie that doesn't exist.
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« Reply #7 on: November 04, 2009, 04:15:34 PM » |
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Yeah, if Matt and I can get our schedules to gel (I just started two more classes, so now my Mondays and Wednesdays are no longer free >.<), and we finish OURS, I'll be adjusting it to work on PAL as well.
In fact, I'll probably be looking for a couple people to test it with their PAL dvds to make sure it works. They'll get a free copy of the riff for their trouble. When that day comes, though, I'll make a thread for it.
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« Reply #8 on: November 04, 2009, 04:20:10 PM » |
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Well that's good news for blu-ray players I guess. We've never actually checked to see if there is a PAL for our tracks, we just always make one just in case. Sorry to any PAL user that searched for a movie that doesn't exist.
You could just search on Amazon.co.uk and see if it's there. That's where I got the PAL copies of the movies for both my first riff and the next (eventual) one, and found out that there's no PAL copy available for some others I want to do. |
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« Reply #9 on: November 06, 2009, 11:16:50 AM » |
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I did some digging around, and you might be surprised what you'll find trying to search the approximately 75 billion Amazons out there. I thought the movie I was doing never got a PAL release, but today I found out I was wrong. "The Ice Pirates" is available, with an English language track, on Amazon.de, the German Amazon (where it is known as "Krieg der Eispiraten.") So, if you can't find it right away, it might simply be sold in a different market.
If you can't tell if your title is available in PAL from either of these places, there's an Amazon France (amazon.fr) as well, and even an Amazon China (amazon.cn), and there's probably more, but that's all I was able to find.
Oh, and even in non-PAL, you have to watch for differences. In Canada, the first Harry Potter is called by its original name, "Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone," and while that's a very odd one out, it is something to watch out for.
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« Reply #10 on: November 06, 2009, 11:35:23 AM » |
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My Starcrash was recorded as PAL .... it's the NTSC that's a conversion, and I'm not sure the film is even properly available in NTSC in a cut that would match what I did. Someone else did a riff of it, and there are very noticeable cuts in the version they riffed.
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