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« Reply #30 on: October 30, 2009, 07:31:29 PM » |
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A quick pair of musical questions for Conor:
1) Approximately when was the riff recorded? I'm rather amused that both South Park and Rifftrax made references to "Poker Face" this week, and I just wanted to confirm that it was just a weird coincidence.
2) For the ending-
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« Reply #31 on: October 30, 2009, 10:33:29 PM » |
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Captain Smith didn't make that call, it was First Officer Murdoch. Apparently Smith thought Murdoch was a dumbass as well because one of the crewmembers recalled him asking Murdoch about his decision and he replied that he was trying to "port around her." Whatever the hell that means. By all accounts Smith was an excellent ship captain, he just caved into pressure a little too easily. I'd guess that trait of Smith's was the undoing of the Titanic. I've been watching a lot of documentaries and too many mistakes had been made. I suppose porting around something is basically just seafaring talk for navigating around the iceberg. But like I said, if they just slowed down her speed and hit the iceberg head on, she would have survived long enough to get to port. |
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« Reply #32 on: October 31, 2009, 01:37:13 AM » |
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Captain Smith didn't make that call, it was First Officer Murdoch. Apparently Smith thought Murdoch was a dumbass as well because one of the crewmembers recalled him asking Murdoch about his decision and he replied that he was trying to "port around her." Whatever the hell that means. By all accounts Smith was an excellent ship captain, he just caved into pressure a little too easily. I'd guess that trait of Smith's was the undoing of the Titanic. I've been watching a lot of documentaries and too many mistakes had been made. I suppose porting around something is basically just seafaring talk for navigating around the iceberg. But like I said, if they just slowed down her speed and hit the iceberg head on, she would have survived long enough to get to port. From what I understand, if they'd kept going ahead and just turned, they would've missed it. Trying to suddenly throw the ship into reverse and turn at the same time just made matters worse. |
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« Reply #33 on: October 31, 2009, 01:45:03 AM » |
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From what I understand, if they'd kept going ahead and just turned, they would've missed it. Trying to suddenly throw the ship into reverse and turn at the same time just made matters worse.
From what I gathered, the White Star company were cheap bastards who liked to cut corners a lot, like depriving the lookout of binoculars, which in lookout Frederick Fleet's own words at an inquisition would have allowed him to have seen the iceberg a lot sooner. |
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« Reply #34 on: November 01, 2009, 01:27:21 PM » |
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A quick pair of musical questions for Conor:
1) Approximately when was the riff recorded? I'm rather amused that both South Park and Rifftrax made references to "Poker Face" this week, and I just wanted to confirm that it was just a weird coincidence.
2) For the ending-
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We recorded this and Transformers maybe 3 weeks ago? So yeah, a weird coincidence, but we've liked Lady Gaga for quite some time: She was Kevin's bad song of the year last year: http://blog.rifftrax.com/2008/12/31/bad-song-of-the-year/And I was particularly proud of this piece of detective work: http://blog.rifftrax.com/2009/03/27/et-tu-lady-gaga/And the Celine song? How could you pass up an opportunity like that? I'm convinced the credits song was a major factor in even picking the movie. |
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« Reply #35 on: November 01, 2009, 02:28:51 PM » |
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And the Celine song? How could you pass up an opportunity like that? I'm convinced the credits song was a major factor in even picking the movie.
I'll even admit that if there wasn't some sort of sing-a-long, I would've been disappointed.. But how Bout 'The Rifftones' doing some ending credit songs sometime in the future??  |
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« Reply #36 on: November 01, 2009, 04:48:41 PM » |
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"To port around" - as far as I can recall from the books I've read, Murdoch first ordered the ship to turn "Hard to port" as well as ordering the engines to reverse (in order to brake). The movie showed the problem - the engines first had to slow down and STOP before they could be put into reverse, so it wasn't really possible to change the Titanic's speed enough to make a difference. (Also, I vaguely remember that only two of the three propellers were able to go in reverse, so the ship didn't have as much power to stop as to go foreward.) Once the ship began (slowly) turning to port, Murdoch ordered "Hard to starboard" - this is "porting around" the iceberg. If they had just kept going to port, the ship's stern would have swung around until it hit the iceberg because of their continuing momentum foreward. By steering to starboard, Murdoch was trying to pull the stern of the ship out of the path of the iceberg, and in effect "curl" around the iceberg without hitting it. They were too close, and the ship was too big to and had too much momentum to be able to pull off the manoeuvre.
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« Reply #37 on: November 03, 2009, 03:10:14 AM » |
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Seems to me that if they HAD left it hard to port, so that at least one aft compartment hit and was flooded, possibly the ship would've stayed afloat, as the bow wouldn't have tipped far enough down for water to spill over successive retaining walls. That, because there wouldn't have been the intense weight differential from bow to stern. It would've ridden VERY low in the water, but that way it might've stayed afloat JUST long enough for rescue boats to arrive.
But that - obviously - would've been one HELL of a gamble (as there'd've been no way to know where on the hull it would've hit again, and of course they had no clue how much damage had already been done belowdecks).
So they were pretty much boned from the start.
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« Reply #38 on: November 03, 2009, 06:34:55 AM » |
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I learned that thsi movie won an academy award for "Editing". Editing, really? ON A 3 HOUR MOVIE?!?!? Hell, they could have cut an hour from this disaster easy.
And any guy who watched this and cried should have a giant Old Milwaukee's Best can fall on them and crush them.
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« Reply #39 on: November 03, 2009, 06:44:15 AM » |
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And any guy who watched this and cried should have a giant Old Milwaukee's Best can fall on them and crush them.
But.. But.. I Miss that Blue Diamond necklace..  |
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« Reply #40 on: November 03, 2009, 08:22:18 PM » |
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And any guy who watched this and cried should have a giant Old Milwaukee's Best can fall on them and crush them. But.. But.. I Miss that Blue Diamond necklace.. And I feel so sad that all that wonderful woodwork was lost... ...and the intense mounds of cash that could've been made on those Picassos... [...and the three hours I'd never get back because my ex- made me watch the film unriffed when it came out.] |
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« Reply #41 on: November 03, 2009, 08:26:08 PM » |
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Hell, I had to watch this turd with my then girlfriend. At the end, I had to run to the mens room. It was filled with guys rubbing their eyes and I was ashamed for our kind.
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« Reply #42 on: November 03, 2009, 09:54:02 PM » |
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I learned that I'm apparently still 13 years old, because I spent the whole movie thinking "lord, how did I ever like this mess?" and then burst into tears when Rose died at the end and went to Titanic Heaven. Sigh. I hate me.
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« Reply #43 on: November 03, 2009, 11:05:29 PM » |
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Seems to me that if they HAD left it hard to port, so that at least one aft compartment hit and was flooded, possibly the ship would've stayed afloat, as the bow wouldn't have tipped far enough down for water to spill over successive retaining walls. That, because there wouldn't have been the intense weight differential from bow to stern. It would've ridden VERY low in the water, but that way it might've stayed afloat JUST long enough for rescue boats to arrive.
Pretty much any hit other than what happened would have been better. If this had been anything other than the maiden voyage they would have had a better idea of how the ship handled. The mistake was putting the ship in reverse, with an undersized rudder it needed the force of the water from the propeller to turn the ship, with the props slowing down, then reversing, all that time the ship was not turning as much as it would with the props going full speed. I don't know if they did sea trials on the ship, that's the kind of thing they would have learned testing out the ship before the maiden voyage. Also, I guess the ship didn't have the ability to reverse only one prop? That's how most multi-prop ships make hard turns. |
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« Reply #44 on: November 08, 2009, 07:13:28 PM » |
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ou can come to America, abandon your family, have no money in the world and still never need to sell a huge ass diamond. She couldn't sell it or Cal would have found her and knew she was alive. It's not like you can show up with one of the rarest diamonds in the world to the pawn shop and stay on the downlow... And they did have binoculars but they were missing, you can hear someone ask about them and the reply was that he hadn't seen them since Southampton. |
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