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« Reply #15 on: September 28, 2009, 07:16:48 PM » |
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I completely missed him. Flash Forward's pilot was a big "meh" for me. It has promise though, so I'll probably stick with it for a little while.
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« Reply #16 on: September 30, 2009, 03:34:43 AM » |
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Wow - the big ol' thread of Dirty Sanchez jokes and random 80s pop culture references! Wow!
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« Reply #17 on: September 30, 2009, 05:42:14 AM » |
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I saw this on Hulu after hearing a lot of talk about it. Some of the differing animation styles were cute, but overall it as much a directionless series of cheap gags as always.
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« Reply #18 on: October 08, 2009, 02:45:08 PM » |
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After giving it a chance and some thought, I have to say the first episode of The Cleveland Show pretty much confirmed my fears for it. I just don't think it works. Cleveland is sidekick material, and doesn't come across to me as a character to build a show around. I wouldn't easily buy a spinoff for Joe or Quagmire either. Its almost as if they gave up developing characters for his family. While on both Family Guy and American Dad they purposefully give the wife character flaws to keep it from falling into the old sitcom "wife is better than the husband in every way" trap, Cleveland's new wife doesn't seem to have any flaws or even personality. She was only there in the first episode to explain the children being there and to ask "why didn't you just tell us that from the start." On Family Guy, Loretta's character as Cleveland's wife can be summed up to yelling his name, saying "Mmm-hm" and in the end cheating on him. She still had more of a character that this woman (I can't even remember her or many of the other character's names right now.) The grown up Cleveland Jr is just Chris crossed with a little bit of Barry from American Dad. The young stepson is just a toned down Stewie with a bit of that kid from the Boondocks, and the daughter is just a taller less-abused Meg.
The show is going to have to evolve fast to keep my attention.
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« Reply #19 on: October 08, 2009, 02:49:06 PM » |
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Agreed. I haven't found all that much to like about it either, though I do like Cleveland's laugh. It's adorable!
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« Reply #20 on: October 08, 2009, 03:00:36 PM » |
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i couldn't bring myself to watch the second episode. :\
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« Reply #21 on: October 08, 2009, 03:15:28 PM » |
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i couldn't bring myself to watch the second episode. :\
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« Reply #22 on: October 08, 2009, 03:50:12 PM » |
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Can't stop watching http://www.metacafe.com/watch/3460230/family_guy_disney_style/Just goes to show that quality animation can polish any turd, Here's further sad evidence, be fore the advent of 3D, Disney's Senior animators probably wouldn't have touched this stuff, now... <![CDATA[<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/u2-JwjrYz8Q&hl=en&fs=1&" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/u2-JwjrYz8Q&hl=en&fs=1&</a>]]> |
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« Reply #23 on: October 09, 2009, 12:14:59 AM » |
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My problem with Seth is that his idea of creating an argument is to create fictitious facts, treat them like they are true in his show, then build his argument around those facts. Seth's natural voice and Brian's voice are nearly identical, and Brian is the outlet of Seth's beliefs (as well as other characters).
Case in point- the 420 episode: After weed is legalized, one of the arguments Brian says to support the legalization: "productivity is up"
No way productivity would ever go up after introducing a recreational drug.
Worst part about that episode (and the direction the show has taken) is that lots of kids have grown up with swearing, sex, and violence and are allowed to watch the show. Here though, the show is portraying an illegal drug in a positive light and depicting the opponents to it as selfish greedy bad guys and simplifying the issue. Not the kind of thing we want a 10 year old seeing when he's watching TV in his room by himself. The episode has that effect on you much in the same way American History X can make you root for a bunch of skin heads by simply playing heroic background music when the white guy gets the game winning dunk. At least in American History X though, the mask comes off...
Same with the multiverse episode - where is this proof that Disney hates Jews? Or this idea that man would advance 1000 years in science if Christianity didn't exist?
He preaches every episode that he thinks all religion is phony. I can't remember the last recent episode that didn't do that at some point.
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« Reply #24 on: October 09, 2009, 03:22:14 AM » |
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My problem with Seth is that his idea of creating an argument is to create fictitious facts, treat them like they are true in his show, then build his argument around those facts. Seth's natural voice and Brian's voice are nearly identical, and Brian is the outlet of Seth's beliefs (as well as other characters).
Case in point- the 420 episode: After weed is legalized, one of the arguments Brian says to support the legalization: "productivity is up"
No way productivity would ever go up after introducing a recreational drug.
Worst part about that episode (and the direction the show has taken) is that lots of kids have grown up with swearing, sex, and violence and are allowed to watch the show. Here though, the show is portraying an illegal drug in a positive light and depicting the opponents to it as selfish greedy bad guys and simplifying the issue. Not the kind of thing we want a 10 year old seeing when he's watching TV in his room by himself. The episode has that effect on you much in the same way American History X can make you root for a bunch of skin heads by simply playing heroic background music when the white guy gets the game winning dunk. At least in American History X though, the mask comes off...
Same with the multiverse episode - where is this proof that Disney hates Jews? Or this idea that man would advance 1000 years in science if Christianity didn't exist?
He preaches every episode that he thinks all religion is phony. I can't remember the last recent episode that didn't do that at some point.
The urban legend that Disney hated Jews has been around for a while. Whether Seth truly believes this or if he was just referencing the urban legend as a gag to get them out of that universe is debatable. You aren't the only one who has those beliefs about Family Guy. They mirror a lot of stuff I read from people on TVtropes.org in the Anvilicious entry. http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AnviliciousThe show's entry in the Dethroning Moment of Suck section is rather large and they bring up your points among many others. http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/DarthWiki/DethroningMomentOfSuck?from=Main.DethroningMomentOfSuck |
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« Reply #25 on: October 09, 2009, 05:18:46 AM » |
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Case in point- the 420 episode: After weed is legalized, one of the arguments Brian says to support the legalization: "productivity is up"
Or it could be, you know, funny. Things don't have to necessarily have an agenda or be even true to be humourous. It may even be a call back to a moment in Woody Allen's classic comedy, Sleepers, where Allen travels to the future and where it's widely known that smoking and drinking heavily are good for you. |
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« Reply #26 on: October 09, 2009, 05:34:30 AM » |
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Case in point- the 420 episode: After weed is legalized, one of the arguments Brian says to support the legalization: "productivity is up"
Or it could be, you know, funny. Things don't have to necessarily have an agenda or be even true to be humourous. It may even be a call back to a moment in Woody Allen's classic comedy, Sleepers, where Allen travels to the future and where it's widely known that smoking and drinking heavily are good for you. Maybe McFarlane's argument is that since pot doesn't produce a hangover - and that many people who now drink would switch over to pot for their evening de-stressing - there would automatically be an lowering of people calling "sick" to work and therefore their production raises....? It has a logic to it. |
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« Reply #27 on: October 09, 2009, 05:37:12 AM » |
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I think Basehart's closer to the truth really. It's a silly little line in a silly little show. It doesn't have to be taken so very seriously.  |
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« Reply #28 on: October 09, 2009, 05:43:54 AM » |
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Case in point- the 420 episode: After weed is legalized, one of the arguments Brian says to support the legalization: "productivity is up"
Or it could be, you know, funny. Things don't have to necessarily have an agenda or be even true to be humourous. It may even be a call back to a moment in Woody Allen's classic comedy, Sleepers, where Allen travels to the future and where it's widely known that smoking and drinking heavily are good for you. It could be, but I really can't tell with this guy. When I owned Family Guy DVDs, bonus features and commentary tracks were even more thickly laden with political screed than the show is. He's definitely in a good position of plausible deniability on this How about the Nazi Germany time travel show, with an insert shot of a "McCain/Palin 2008" button on a Nazi uniform? I mean, obviously McFarlane isn't trying to say that Nazis supported poltical campaigns from 68 years in the future, but making a joke that equates Republicans to Nazis is so utterly cheap and tasteless that it was really the last straw for me. Say what you will about Republicans, I'm pretty sure that ethnically cleansing Jews is not part of their platform. |
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« Reply #29 on: October 09, 2009, 05:52:45 AM » |
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Yeah, but does anyone take that even the slightest bit seriously? It's a show that has a meglamaniacal baby and a talking dog. Surely its outright goofiness undermines anything it has to say.
I did read a little while ago that Karl Rove and Rush Limbaugh are going to be on Family Guy soon. That should be interesting.
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