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« on: June 12, 2009, 12:39:50 PM » |
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I was scrolling through some forums, reading a post about why Jacob and Bella would be a better couple, when it hit me just what was wrong with Twilight. Regardless of style, writing ability, characterization, the heart of it all is what Stephenie Meyers thinks about love.
When Edward says “this is the skin of a killer,” when he talks about how he’s dangerous to be around and calls himself a murderer, it doesn’t make sense. He isn’t an actual murderer. He doesn’t hunt humans, so he has no reason to say “I kill people,” especially not to somebody he’s in lurve with. I thought that until it dawned on me what Meyers’s warped vision of love is. He says he’s a murder because to Meyers that makes it more romantic, more attractive, and more heart-warming.
Here characters don’t just lack chemistry. Her concept of Romance is based on anti-chemistry. The more people have in common, the more they can relate to each other, the more they have actual reasons to be attracted to one another and spend time together, the less interesting their romance is. It’s not a matter of being unable to write genuine connections between two people. Meyer’s ideal romance is to utter strangers held together only by an artificial, forced, self-destructive plot device she calls “love”.
That’s what makes me sick. That’s what makes me understand why this has such a rabid hate-base. That’s why Stephenie Meyers gives cheesy YA paranormal romance a bad name.
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Love doesn't hurt. It kills.
"Where there's smoke, there's a smoke-making machine."
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« Reply #1 on: June 24, 2009, 02:18:34 PM » |
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see I think it's simply that in books and such it's more exciting if someone is Forbidden, and saying "i'm a murderer", but knowing he's truly good, but he's still forbidden makes it exciting. But I'm with you. In three months or a year or whatever, exciting will wear off, then what will you talk about? And I think there's plently more wrong with this romance that just that. But there isn't enough time on earth to go into it.  |
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« Reply #2 on: June 28, 2009, 08:37:28 PM » |
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But the "forbidden" factor totally fails, because nobody is doing any forbidding. Every single character except the token irrelevant antagonistic member of the Cullens approves of the match, and despite the token "it's too dangerous for you to be with me" comments, Edward doesn't really resist the relationship either.
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Love doesn't hurt. It kills.
"Where there's smoke, there's a smoke-making machine."
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« Reply #3 on: June 28, 2009, 09:06:04 PM » |
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I was scrolling through some forums, reading a post about why Jacob and Bella would be a better couple, when it hit me just what was wrong with Twilight. Regardless of style, writing ability, characterization, the heart of it all is what Stephenie Meyers thinks about love.
When Edward says “this is the skin of a killer,” when he talks about how he’s dangerous to be around and calls himself a murderer, it doesn’t make sense. He isn’t an actual murderer.
But he is. He killed people back when he first became a vampire. So that makes it all even worse. |
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« Reply #4 on: June 29, 2009, 05:23:11 PM » |
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I thought the movie made it clear that he never did that, on account of the other cullens keeping him in check?
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Love doesn't hurt. It kills.
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« Reply #5 on: June 29, 2009, 08:10:28 PM » |
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I thought the movie made it clear that he never did that, on account of the other cullens keeping him in check?
Huh. Well.....the movie may not have mentioned it, but, the books did. I think he grew up vegetarian after he was turned, but, about 10 years into the relationship with Carlisle, he decided to become rebellious. He killed people, but, they were bad people, a la ., Nick of Forever Night, and....the Vampire in Moonlight. ...That may come out in movie 2 or 3.... |
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« Reply #6 on: July 02, 2009, 12:46:41 PM » |
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I think this thread makes a clear case for GOOD screenwriting and directing, or at least thinking through things. Teenagers pick these things up subliminally, so people should be a little more careful. But I know I'm asking too much to expect good writing in a teen angst movie.
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« Reply #7 on: July 27, 2009, 11:37:32 PM » |
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Edward at one point goes through bratty vampire puberty and goes off and kills a few humans. But then he regrets it and really embraces the angsty teenager next to him inside himself and gets all depressed. (ok i may have embellished a little)
But I am inclined to agree with the thoughts from Fuzzy and Queen.
Meyers has a warped sense of what love should be, and writes it that way. She tries to imbue Edward with this bad boy image and the image of a turn of the century gentleman. She injects religiosity into her work in odd places that i feel hinders more than develops the characters as well as the "love" story. She turns it into something more along the lines of a relationship based on control and obsession.
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« Reply #8 on: July 30, 2009, 01:01:42 PM » |
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I can't help thinking of this quote from MST3K's "The Mole People"
ADELE: Royal food is not for servants
JOHN: Haven't I told you that you're not a servant?
CROW: Now go get me a beer!
ADELE: Yes, my Lord.
JOHN: And what else have I told you?
SERVO: That you follow me for my own protection?
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« Reply #9 on: August 02, 2009, 10:14:30 PM » |
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xD Spot on
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