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« Reply #45 on: January 21, 2009, 04:16:19 PM »

No, not the audio, I understand how to do the audio, the video, how do I clip a section of the video?

If you're able to get a full video of your riff made in avi form, you can use a program called avi splitter.  You simply load the avi into the program and set the start and stop points you want and export the clip into a new file.  It has a free trail, and if I remember right it's fairly inexpensive once that runs out.  That's what I've used to make all my samples.
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« Reply #46 on: January 21, 2009, 04:38:47 PM »

There we go then. That's the sort of thing I was looking for, presumably other formats can also be split with relevant programs. Smiley
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« Reply #47 on: January 21, 2009, 05:57:53 PM »

VirtualDub, for those of you who don't psychically know which portions of the video you want without looking at them.
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« Reply #48 on: January 21, 2009, 09:15:29 PM »

VirtualDub, for those of you who don't psychically know which portions of the video you want without looking at them.

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« Reply #49 on: February 16, 2009, 04:34:18 PM »

Aside from the technical/equipment set up time, how long would it say it takes you to write/record a completed iRiff?

I've been working on one for a while now. A friend and I wrote it over probably 8+ viewings of the film. We're going through right now and recording each chapter of the movie individually. So far about 45 minutes of film has taken us six hours to record, with at least 15 hours of writing going in advance. Just curious how this compares to everyone else.
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« Reply #50 on: February 16, 2009, 04:47:56 PM »

It usually take Keith and I three or four writing sessions (of about 3 hours apiece) to finish a script. Recording time varies, but usually takes us at least eight hours (broken up over a few days).
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« Reply #51 on: February 24, 2009, 07:26:21 AM »

Aside from the technical/equipment set up time, how long would it say it takes you to write/record a completed iRiff?

I've been working on one for a while now. A friend and I wrote it over probably 8+ viewings of the film. We're going through right now and recording each chapter of the movie individually. So far about 45 minutes of film has taken us six hours to record, with at least 15 hours of writing going in advance. Just curious how this compares to everyone else.

I timed myself one time and it took me one hour per 15 minutes of video just to write riffs. That includes initial viewing, brainstorm riffing, riff tweaking, and then filling in holes (not that I wouldn't like to spend more time; it'd certainly do me good). Recording is actually the easy part, IMHO. Six hours to record 45 minutes of video seems a bit long to me. Personally, I do my first recording the whole way through, no stopping, marking stuff I missed. I use Audacity which allows me to "spot record" what I missed. But if you're better at writing than you are at speaking, your results may vary.

So I'd say 3-4 hours per 15 minutes of video... ish.
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« Reply #52 on: February 24, 2009, 07:29:15 AM »

Oh, and by the way, I'm a solo act. I could understand that with two or three brains, the riffs could come three times easier.
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« Reply #53 on: February 24, 2009, 07:36:04 AM »

we rehearse 3 times before going to recording.  We record straight through without stopping.  With audacity we can always re-record any lines that we messed up and paste them over the bad ones.  We've never had it take longer than 3 hours for a movie iriff, and that was our first one.  The rest we get done in about 2.  Course then there's the 4-8 hours of post to sync and clean up the track.
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« Reply #54 on: February 24, 2009, 07:58:02 AM »

we rehearse 3 times before going to recording.  We record straight through without stopping.  With audacity we can always re-record any lines that we messed up and paste them over the bad ones.  We've never had it take longer than 3 hours for a movie iriff, and that was our first one.  The rest we get done in about 2.  Course then there's the 4-8 hours of post to sync and clean up the track.

How long do you guys spend writing? Surely the 3 hours doesn't include writing time, too. If it does, I bow to your greatness (which I do anyway, but I didn't want to tip my hand too early)!
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« Reply #55 on: February 24, 2009, 08:07:49 AM »

we rehearse 3 times before going to recording.  We record straight through without stopping.  With audacity we can always re-record any lines that we messed up and paste them over the bad ones.  We've never had it take longer than 3 hours for a movie iriff, and that was our first one.  The rest we get done in about 2.  Course then there's the 4-8 hours of post to sync and clean up the track.

How long do you guys spend writing? Surely the 3 hours doesn't include writing time, too. If it does, I bow to your greatness (which I do anyway, but I didn't want to tip my hand too early)!

LOL, no it doesn't (but you can keep bowing) We have 3 writing sessions prior to recording.  A initial run through that's pretty quick, then the down and dirty run through where we fill all the gaps, and then finally a sync line run through where we also trim any jokes that crowd any other lines.    Recording and post is by far the easiest part for us.
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« Reply #56 on: February 24, 2009, 08:35:48 AM »

LOL, no it doesn't (but you can keep bowing) We have 3 writing sessions prior to recording.  A initial run through that's pretty quick, then the down and dirty run through where we fill all the gaps, and then finally a sync line run through where we also trim any jokes that crowd any other lines.    Recording and post is by far the easiest part for us.

Whew! Tongue For a second there I had an inferiority complex to fill the Grand Canyon! But I also didn't want to doubt you because I guess real-time riffing could... be possible...   
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« Reply #57 on: February 27, 2009, 01:11:28 PM »

Something that also helps me is to listen to the audio alone, and/or to view the movie with no sound. That way you get a good variety of riffs, ie. you're not always JUST talking back to the narrator in a short.
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« Reply #58 on: February 27, 2009, 03:19:48 PM »

That is good advice.  I actually came up with a lot of jokes for Masters of the Universe while I was converting the video to import it into Audition and the status window showed the movie running very slowly with no sound.  Watching it in a different way can be a great way to get variety or break out of writers block.
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« Reply #59 on: March 01, 2009, 08:52:59 PM »

One thing I definitely learned while working on my second iRiff is that I should've done what I did with my first iRiff: first time, ad-lib.

With American Werewolf in Paris, I watched it, recording my initial reactions.  I knew they wouldn't all be good, but they formed a nice, clean basis on which to work.  I had SOMETHING to build on later.  I then went back through the film, line by line, scene by scene, writing down anything that came to mind.  I then recorded segments based on the chapter breaks on the DVD (i.e., I recorded Chapter 1's jokes then stopped, started Chapter 2, etc.).  In this process, i was able to lose a lot of lines I simply didn't have time to get in.  I then went back, lined up the audio, and started normalizing and cutting out the breathing, dead space, and other crap I didn't want on the track.  It also gave me a chance to listen through and find jokes I didn't like or flubbed.  I could then go back, re-record, clean up, and add the new line in its place.  You may think you have it all worked out once you record, but believe me, it's not the case.

The editing is the easiest part for me, but also the most tedious, just because it takes so long to do.  The writing isn't too difficult while it's flowing, but once you've spent 6 hours watching and rewinding the same five minutes over and over, trying to figure out what you're missing in a scene, it haunts you.  A couple of nights have not been spent sleeping well, because the same scene keeps replaying in my head, over and over, trying to find the joke that got away.

And yet, despite the draining and sleepless nights, it's worth it.  It's harder work than you think, but it's very rewarding to see that slot up on the site, asking people to take a look at it.

I just wished I had adlibbed Mortal Kombat first.  Writing directly from scratch may allow you to come up with your best stuff, but having a foundation on which to build will give your work that much more zest in the final stages.
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